CX Cat C Women

b hamon

2010-10-19

"Maybe it's time for a women's 55+ category too? Looks like the Cross Crusade
men's 60+ category is off to a good start and has some great support."

Melissa makes an excellent point. Frankly, I went to my masters' age group this year because there was no separate category for womens' singlespeed AND I felt that, while slow, I no longer qualified as a real beginner. I would say that if OBRA considers a Cat C for women it may be time to step up lobbying for a separate cat for womens' singlespeed as well. Ladies?
Beth Hamon, still making noise for singlespeed women

http://bikelovejones1.blogspot.com/


Pam Reid

2010-10-18

Yes 55 cat for women would be great.

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On Oct 18, 2010, at 12:07 PM, Melissa Boyd wrote:

Maybe it's time for a women's 55+ category too? Looks like the Cross Crusade men's 60+ category is off to a good start and has some great support.

Melissa

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 12:00 PM, T. Kenji Sugahara wrote:
Categories are something that we'll be considering during the rewrite
of the cyclocross rules.

Originally, there was no Cat C for women's racing since there weren't
enough women out there. But, given the massive growth on the women's
side, it is definitely something to look at changing.

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Hazel wrote:
> I have to agree on this one. I raced all the Crusade races last year as a
> beginner woman. I usually placed somewhere in the middle of the field. I
> felt that I should cat up to a B but would feel better if there was a C
> Category too.
> Hazel
>
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Christian Reed
> wrote:
>>
>> Apologies if this thread has been floated before, but I have several
>> friends who are on that cusp between Beginner Womens and Cat B Womens CX,
>> and the line between these categories seems rather unkind.
>> If I'm to understand the spirit of the categories on the mens side,
>> Beginners is for people with no experience wanting to test the waters with
>> the sport. Once you get a feel for it, either through a season or a few
>> races, you move up into the C's, a fun, participatory category that gives
>> plenty of room for improvement. Maybe from there you'll move up, or you'll
>> just race there until you turn 35. B's are for when you start getting a
>> little serious and start training, and if you decide to dedicate and all
>> your free time and disposable income you go A's.
>> For women, though, the Beginners covers both people new to the sport as
>> well as those who don't want to take it seriously but have plenty of
>> experience. This seems to go against the purpose of a "beginner" category,
>> as someone new to the sport is essentially getting tossed in the deep end
>> against experienced racers.
>> This problem is well illustrated by three of my friends. Two are virtually
>> identical racers. Both raced for the first time last season and did the
>> whole Crusade. Their results are comparable. This year, though, one stayed
>> in Beginners and and other felt obliged to go B's. As a result, the B racer
>> is getting demoralized in a category that's over her head, while the friend
>> in Beginners is kicking ass, but at the expense of the third friend, a
>> non-competitive newbie who's in a race that's far more serious than she
>> bargained for.
>> Anyway, I'm sure that folks with experience putting on races can weigh in
>> about actually doing something like this, but from the casual observer's
>> perspective, it seems that organizers are looking at the data and concluding
>> that the numbers don't justify four categories. I have to wonder, though, if
>> this is a self-fulfilling prophecy, that by not providing appropriate
>> categories and friendly guidelines, that we're intimidating women out of
>> participation.
>>
>> Christian
>> --
>> Christian Reed
>> @christianreed
>>
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Candi Murray

2010-10-18

It would be great to split this category but you also have to look at the
bigger picture. Currently there are 6 groups of women racing at the same
time. This is the largest number of riders in 45 minutes that we have. We
have had a call to add SS Women and 55+ women and now Cat C women. What
categories are you willing to give up? I know that Jon Myers and the
Crusaders track the number of riders in all the categories each year. They
look at this and try to figure out tweaks to make the schedule work. The
only race that has room is probably the Beginner Men field that goes at
8:50.

Candi
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Behalf Of T. Kenji Sugahara
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 12:00 PM
To: Hazel
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] CX Cat C Women

Categories are something that we'll be considering during the rewrite of the
cyclocross rules.

Originally, there was no Cat C for women's racing since there weren't enough
women out there. But, given the massive growth on the women's side, it is
definitely something to look at changing.

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Hazel wrote:
> I have to agree on this one. I raced all the Crusade races last year
> as a beginner woman. I usually placed somewhere in the middle of the
> field. I felt that I should cat up to a B but would feel better if
> there was a C Category too.
> Hazel
>
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Christian Reed
>
> wrote:
>>
>> Apologies if this thread has been floated before, but I have several
>> friends who are on that cusp between Beginner Womens and Cat B Womens
>> CX, and the line between these categories seems rather unkind.
>> If I'm to understand the spirit of the categories on the mens side,
>> Beginners is for people with no experience wanting to test the waters
>> with the sport. Once you get a feel for it, either through a season
>> or a few races, you move up into the C's, a fun, participatory
>> category that gives plenty of room for improvement. Maybe from there
>> you'll move up, or you'll just race there until you turn 35. B's are
>> for when you start getting a little serious and start training, and
>> if you decide to dedicate and all your free time and disposable income
you go A's.
>> For women, though, the Beginners covers both people new to the sport
>> as well as those who don't want to take it seriously but have plenty
>> of experience. This seems to go against the purpose of a "beginner"
>> category, as someone new to the sport is essentially getting tossed
>> in the deep end against experienced racers.
>> This problem is well illustrated by three of my friends. Two are
>> virtually identical racers. Both raced for the first time last season
>> and did the whole Crusade. Their results are comparable. This year,
>> though, one stayed in Beginners and and other felt obliged to go B's.
>> As a result, the B racer is getting demoralized in a category that's
>> over her head, while the friend in Beginners is kicking ass, but at
>> the expense of the third friend, a non-competitive newbie who's in a
>> race that's far more serious than she bargained for.
>> Anyway, I'm sure that folks with experience putting on races can
>> weigh in about actually doing something like this, but from the
>> casual observer's perspective, it seems that organizers are looking
>> at the data and concluding that the numbers don't justify four
>> categories. I have to wonder, though, if this is a self-fulfilling
>> prophecy, that by not providing appropriate categories and friendly
>> guidelines, that we're intimidating women out of participation.
>>
>> Christian
>> --
>> Christian Reed
>> @christianreed
>>
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Melissa Boyd

2010-10-18

Maybe it's time for a women's 55+ category too? Looks like the Cross Crusade
men's 60+ category is off to a good start and has some great support.

Melissa

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 12:00 PM, T. Kenji Sugahara wrote:

> Categories are something that we'll be considering during the rewrite
> of the cyclocross rules.
>
> Originally, there was no Cat C for women's racing since there weren't
> enough women out there. But, given the massive growth on the women's
> side, it is definitely something to look at changing.
>
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Hazel wrote:
> > I have to agree on this one. I raced all the Crusade races last year as a
> > beginner woman. I usually placed somewhere in the middle of the field. I
> > felt that I should cat up to a B but would feel better if there was a C
> > Category too.
> > Hazel
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Christian Reed
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Apologies if this thread has been floated before, but I have several
> >> friends who are on that cusp between Beginner Womens and Cat B Womens
> CX,
> >> and the line between these categories seems rather unkind.
> >> If I'm to understand the spirit of the categories on the mens side,
> >> Beginners is for people with no experience wanting to test the waters
> with
> >> the sport. Once you get a feel for it, either through a season or a few
> >> races, you move up into the C's, a fun, participatory category that
> gives
> >> plenty of room for improvement. Maybe from there you'll move up, or
> you'll
> >> just race there until you turn 35. B's are for when you start getting a
> >> little serious and start training, and if you decide to dedicate and all
> >> your free time and disposable income you go A's.
> >> For women, though, the Beginners covers both people new to the sport as
> >> well as those who don't want to take it seriously but have plenty of
> >> experience. This seems to go against the purpose of a "beginner"
> category,
> >> as someone new to the sport is essentially getting tossed in the deep
> end
> >> against experienced racers.
> >> This problem is well illustrated by three of my friends. Two are
> virtually
> >> identical racers. Both raced for the first time last season and did the
> >> whole Crusade. Their results are comparable. This year, though, one
> stayed
> >> in Beginners and and other felt obliged to go B's. As a result, the B
> racer
> >> is getting demoralized in a category that's over her head, while the
> friend
> >> in Beginners is kicking ass, but at the expense of the third friend, a
> >> non-competitive newbie who's in a race that's far more serious than she
> >> bargained for.
> >> Anyway, I'm sure that folks with experience putting on races can weigh
> in
> >> about actually doing something like this, but from the casual observer's
> >> perspective, it seems that organizers are looking at the data and
> concluding
> >> that the numbers don't justify four categories. I have to wonder,
> though, if
> >> this is a self-fulfilling prophecy, that by not providing appropriate
> >> categories and friendly guidelines, that we're intimidating women out of
> >> participation.
> >>
> >> Christian
> >> --
> >> Christian Reed
> >> @christianreed
> >>
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T. Kenji Sugahara

2010-10-18

Categories are something that we'll be considering during the rewrite
of the cyclocross rules.

Originally, there was no Cat C for women's racing since there weren't
enough women out there. But, given the massive growth on the women's
side, it is definitely something to look at changing.

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Hazel wrote:
> I have to agree on this one. I raced all the Crusade races last year as a
> beginner woman. I usually placed somewhere in the middle of the field. I
> felt that I should cat up to a B but would feel better if there was a C
> Category too.
> Hazel
>
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Christian Reed
> wrote:
>>
>> Apologies if this thread has been floated before, but I have several
>> friends who are on that cusp between Beginner Womens and Cat B Womens CX,
>> and the line between these categories seems rather unkind.
>> If I'm to understand the spirit of the categories on the mens side,
>> Beginners is for people with no experience wanting to test the waters with
>> the sport. Once you get a feel for it, either through a season or a few
>> races, you move up into the C's, a fun, participatory category that gives
>> plenty of room for improvement. Maybe from there you'll move up, or you'll
>> just race there until you turn 35. B's are for when you start getting a
>> little serious and start training, and if you decide to dedicate and all
>> your free time and disposable income you go A's.
>> For women, though, the Beginners covers both people new to the sport as
>> well as those who don't want to take it seriously but have plenty of
>> experience. This seems to go against the purpose of a "beginner" category,
>> as someone new to the sport is essentially getting tossed in the deep end
>> against experienced racers.
>> This problem is well illustrated by three of my friends. Two are virtually
>> identical racers. Both raced for the first time last season and did the
>> whole Crusade. Their results are comparable. This year, though, one stayed
>> in Beginners and and other felt obliged to go B's. As a result, the B racer
>> is getting demoralized in a category that's over her head, while the friend
>> in Beginners is kicking ass, but at the expense of the third friend, a
>> non-competitive newbie who's in a race that's far more serious than she
>> bargained for.
>> Anyway, I'm sure that folks with experience putting on races can weigh in
>> about actually doing something like this, but from the casual observer's
>> perspective, it seems that organizers are looking at the data and concluding
>> that the numbers don't justify four categories. I have to wonder, though, if
>> this is a self-fulfilling prophecy, that by not providing appropriate
>> categories and friendly guidelines, that we're intimidating women out of
>> participation.
>>
>> Christian
>> --
>> Christian Reed
>> @christianreed
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> obra@list.obra.org
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>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>>
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Hazel

2010-10-18

I have to agree on this one. I raced all the Crusade races last year as a
beginner woman. I usually placed somewhere in the middle of the field. I
felt that I should cat up to a B but would feel better if there was a C
Category too.
Hazel

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Christian Reed wrote:

> Apologies if this thread has been floated before, but I have several
> friends who are on that cusp between Beginner Womens and Cat B Womens CX,
> and the line between these categories seems rather unkind.
>
> If I'm to understand the spirit of the categories on the mens side,
> Beginners is for people with no experience wanting to test the waters with
> the sport. Once you get a feel for it, either through a season or a few
> races, you move up into the C's, a fun, participatory category that gives
> plenty of room for improvement. Maybe from there you'll move up, or you'll
> just race there until you turn 35. B's are for when you start getting a
> little serious and start training, and if you decide to dedicate and all
> your free time and disposable income you go A's.
>
> For women, though, the Beginners covers both people new to the sport as
> well as those who don't want to take it seriously but have plenty of
> experience. This seems to go against the purpose of a "beginner" category,
> as someone new to the sport is essentially getting tossed in the deep end
> against experienced racers.
>
> This problem is well illustrated by three of my friends. Two are virtually
> identical racers. Both raced for the first time last season and did the
> whole Crusade. Their results are comparable. This year, though, one stayed
> in Beginners and and other felt obliged to go B's. As a result, the B racer
> is getting demoralized in a category that's over her head, while the friend
> in Beginners is kicking ass, but at the expense of the third friend, a
> non-competitive newbie who's in a race that's far more serious than she
> bargained for.
>
> Anyway, I'm sure that folks with experience putting on races can weigh in
> about actually doing something like this, but from the casual observer's
> perspective, it seems that organizers are looking at the data and concluding
> that the numbers don't justify four categories. I have to wonder, though, if
> this is a self-fulfilling prophecy, that by not providing appropriate
> categories and friendly guidelines, that we're intimidating women out of
> participation.
>
>
> Christian
>
> --
> Christian Reed
> @christianreed
>
> _______________________________________________
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>


Christian Reed

2010-10-18

Apologies if this thread has been floated before, but I have several friends
who are on that cusp between Beginner Womens and Cat B Womens CX, and the
line between these categories seems rather unkind.

If I'm to understand the spirit of the categories on the mens side,
Beginners is for people with no experience wanting to test the waters with
the sport. Once you get a feel for it, either through a season or a few
races, you move up into the C's, a fun, participatory category that gives
plenty of room for improvement. Maybe from there you'll move up, or you'll
just race there until you turn 35. B's are for when you start getting a
little serious and start training, and if you decide to dedicate and all
your free time and disposable income you go A's.

For women, though, the Beginners covers both people new to the sport as well
as those who don't want to take it seriously but have plenty of experience.
This seems to go against the purpose of a "beginner" category, as someone
new to the sport is essentially getting tossed in the deep end against
experienced racers.

This problem is well illustrated by three of my friends. Two are virtually
identical racers. Both raced for the first time last season and did the
whole Crusade. Their results are comparable. This year, though, one stayed
in Beginners and and other felt obliged to go B's. As a result, the B racer
is getting demoralized in a category that's over her head, while the friend
in Beginners is kicking ass, but at the expense of the third friend, a
non-competitive newbie who's in a race that's far more serious than she
bargained for.

Anyway, I'm sure that folks with experience putting on races can weigh in
about actually doing something like this, but from the casual observer's
perspective, it seems that organizers are looking at the data and concluding
that the numbers don't justify four categories. I have to wonder, though, if
this is a self-fulfilling prophecy, that by not providing appropriate
categories and friendly guidelines, that we're intimidating women out of
participation.

Christian

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