Tim Schauer

Any know if you can get "tire approval" BEFORE you register at the event?

Sent from my mobile device

On Nov 16, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Seth May wrote:

They will absolutely be checking for those with the 32 restriction. On my
USAC officials email updates, it looks like they have a whole load of tire
width measuring devices that they have coming in and will be distributing
out.

Since the Masters 35+ is being run as USAC (according to
http://www.bikereg.com/events/register.asp?eventid=11411), and is not a UCI
race, my -guess- is that it will be 35mm.

It's anyone's guess if they will be measuring for the less restricted
categories (up to 35mm), but I wouldn't push my luck.

Remember, it's really about what the chief ref wants/does. I'm just
speculating like crazy.

Thanks
Seth

On 11/16/2010 12:09 PM, Martin Baker wrote:

Will this also be the case for Masters 35+ at USGP? I've heard that they
have actually been checking tire width.

On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 6:11 AM, Seth May wrote:

> I thought I would pass this along for those of you not on the other
> mailing lists. I think this is great news, in general.
>
> From USA Cycling email announcement posted yesterday:
>
> Singlespeed National Championship
>
> At the recent Board of Trustees meeting, the addition of Singlespeed as a
> championship discipline was approved. The Singlespeed National Championship
> will be open to all rider ability categories (there will not be any category
> restrictions). Riders must have a freewheel, one cog, and drop bars.
> Mountain bikes and straight bars will not be allowed.
>
> Tire width rule
>
> The new 33mm tire width rule will only apply to *Elite, U23* and *Juniors
> 17-18 years old*competitors.
>
> Riders competing in the non-UCI categories of *Masters, Singlespeed*, and
> *Collegiate*will not have the new tire width rule enforced. However, they
> must have no larger than a 35mm tire and compete on a cyclo-cross bike.
>
> There are no bike restrictions for *Juniors 16 years old and younger.*
>
> *
> *
> Thanks
> Seth
>
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Seth May

They will absolutely be checking for those with the 32 restriction. On
my USAC officials email updates, it looks like they have a whole load of
tire width measuring devices that they have coming in and will be
distributing out.

Since the Masters 35+ is being run as USAC (according to
http://www.bikereg.com/events/register.asp?eventid=11411), and is not a
UCI race, my -guess- is that it will be 35mm.

It's anyone's guess if they will be measuring for the less restricted
categories (up to 35mm), but I wouldn't push my luck.

Remember, it's really about what the chief ref wants/does. I'm just
speculating like crazy.

Thanks
Seth

On 11/16/2010 12:09 PM, Martin Baker wrote:
> Will this also be the case for Masters 35+ at USGP? I've heard that
> they have actually been checking tire width.
>
> On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 6:11 AM, Seth May > wrote:
>
> I thought I would pass this along for those of you not on the
> other mailing lists. I think this is great news, in general.
>
> From USA Cycling email announcement posted yesterday:
>
> Singlespeed National Championship
>
> At the recent Board of Trustees meeting, the addition of
> Singlespeed as a championship discipline was approved. The
> Singlespeed National Championship will be open to all rider
> ability categories (there will not be any category restrictions).
> Riders must have a freewheel, one cog, and drop bars. Mountain
> bikes and straight bars will not be allowed.
>
> Tire width rule
>
> The new 33mm tire width rule will only apply to *Elite, U23* and
> *Juniors 17-18 years old*competitors.
>
> Riders competing in the non-UCI categories of *Masters,
> Singlespeed*, and *Collegiate*will not have the new tire width
> rule enforced. However, they must have no larger than a 35mm tire
> and compete on a cyclo-cross bike.
>
> There are no bike restrictions for *Juniors 16 years old and younger.*
>
> *
> *
>
> Thanks
> Seth
>
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
>
>

Martin Baker

Will this also be the case for Masters 35+ at USGP? I've heard that they
have actually been checking tire width.

On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 6:11 AM, Seth May wrote:

> I thought I would pass this along for those of you not on the other
> mailing lists. I think this is great news, in general.
>
> From USA Cycling email announcement posted yesterday:
>
> Singlespeed National Championship
>
> At the recent Board of Trustees meeting, the addition of Singlespeed as a
> championship discipline was approved. The Singlespeed National Championship
> will be open to all rider ability categories (there will not be any category
> restrictions). Riders must have a freewheel, one cog, and drop bars.
> Mountain bikes and straight bars will not be allowed.
>
> Tire width rule
>
> The new 33mm tire width rule will only apply to *Elite, U23* and *Juniors
> 17-18 years old*competitors.
>
> Riders competing in the non-UCI categories of *Masters, Singlespeed*, and
> *Collegiate*will not have the new tire width rule enforced. However, they
> must have no larger than a 35mm tire and compete on a cyclo-cross bike.
>
> There are no bike restrictions for *Juniors 16 years old and younger.*
>
> *
> *
> Thanks
> Seth
>
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
>

Seth May

The rules are inherited, in this case, from UCI down to USAC:

USAC Rules (http://www.usacycling.org/forms/USAC_rulebook-1.pdf)

1M.Bicycles
(e) Bicycles must meet current UCI technical regulations at events that
select 17-18, U23 and elite
riders for international competition or national teams. All bicycles
used in National Championships
(for age 17 and older riders) and NRC races must comply with the current
UCI regulations.

UCI Rules (http://www.uci.ch/includes/asp/getTarget.asp?type=FILE&id=34033)

1.3 Section 2 Technical Specifications
Except where stated to the contrary, the following technical
specifications shall apply to bicycles
used in road, track and cyclo-cross racing.

1.3.022 d) Structure
In competitions other than those covered by article 1.3.023, only the
traditional type of handlebars
(see diagram «structure 1») may be used. The point of support for the
hands must be positioned in
an area defined as follows: above, by the horizontal plane of the point
of support of the saddle (B);
below, by the horizontal line passing through the highest point of the
two wheels (these being of
equal diameter) (C); at the rear by the axis of the steerer tube (D) and
at the front by a vertical line
passing through the front wheel spindle with a 5 cm tolerance (see
diagram «Structure (1A)»). The
distance referred to in point (A) is not applicable to the bicycle of a
rider who takes part in a sprint,
keirin or olympic sprint race, but must not exceed 10 cm in relation to
the vertical line passing
through the front wheel spindle.
The brake controls attached to the handlebars shall consist of two
supports with levers. It must be
possible to operate the brakes by pulling on the levers with the hands
on the lever supports. Any
extension to or reconfiguration of the supports to enable an alternative
use is prohibited. A combined
system of brake and gear controls is authorised.

Thanks
Seth

On 11/16/2010 7:19 AM, Jake Rosenfeld wrote:
> Thanks for the heads up Seth,
> Can you or someone on this list point to the spot on the usa cycling
> website that says flatbars are not ok?
> All I can find under 'rules' is that the bike has to be no more than 2
> meters long and 75cm wide with no forward facing attachments on the
> handlebars. This no flatbar business is throwing a stick in my spokes
> right now.
> Thanks,
> Jake
>
> http://www.usacycling.org/
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Seth May
> *To:* obra@list.obra.org
> *Sent:* Tue, November 16, 2010 6:11:39 AM
> *Subject:* [OBRA Chat] CX Nationals SS & tire width
>
> I thought I would pass this along for those of you not on the other
> mailing lists. I think this is great news, in general.
>
> From USA Cycling email announcement posted yesterday:
>
> Singlespeed National Championship
>
> At the recent Board of Trustees meeting, the addition of Singlespeed
> as a championship discipline was approved. The Singlespeed National
> Championship will be open to all rider ability categories (there will
> not be any category restrictions). Riders must have a freewheel, one
> cog, and drop bars. Mountain bikes and straight bars will not be allowed.
>
> Tire width rule
>
> The new 33mm tire width rule will only apply to *Elite, U23* and
> *Juniors 17-18 years old*competitors.
>
> Riders competing in the non-UCI categories of *Masters, Singlespeed*,
> and *Collegiate*will not have the new tire width rule enforced.
> However, they must have no larger than a 35mm tire and compete on a
> cyclo-cross bike.
>
> There are no bike restrictions for *Juniors 16 years old and younger.*
>
> *
> *
>
> Thanks
> Seth
>

Ron and Dorothy Strasser

Yes. Big thanks Seth. Information always makes the masses more dangerous.
And the masses will show up for Nats. This is Oregon's last shot at hosting
Cyclocross Nats until next time they consider the west coast....and then
they might look somewhere else as we have had them in '03-'04 and '09-'10.
All of us attending will again show the USAC and any UCI folk how much we
love the sport. The people in Bend are doing an exceptional job of not just
dealing with the logistics of race week, but making people feel so welcome.
Joel. I love my Bulldog 34s. But I would make you proud as I rode a WTB
Cross Wolf 32 on the back of my SS Sunday at Barton. Worked perfectly. I
expected as much as I rode them before I got the Bulldogs. If 32s can take
the rock pounding at Barton, they can take anything...so you do have a good
point. In general the way USAC is looking at the rule changes looks to me
to be a more realistic way to allow people to race their bikes. Let the
elite people meet all those stringent specs. In the end they are the ones
doing it for the money...not us dangerous masses.
ron

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joel Metz"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] CX Nationals SS & tire width

> now thats good news. from what theyve posted elsewhere, it was looking
> like ss might be restricted to only cats 1-3 or even just cats 1-2. lets
> hope they stick to it.
>
> as for the rest - well, im not keen on any of it. i seem to have gotten
> over my traditional attitudes towards flat bars and mtbs in cross - but
> banning double-cog freewheels is just silly, and the fixed gear ban is
> uninformed and misguided, especially when specifically applied to the
> singlespeed category.
>
> as for tires, like ive surely said before - i cant think of a reason to
> ride anything wider than a 32 anyways. :)
>
> -joel
>
>
>> I thought I would pass this along for those of you not on the other
>> mailing lists. I think this is great news, in general.
>>
>> From USA Cycling email announcement posted yesterday:
>> Singlespeed National Championship
>>
>> At the recent Board of Trustees meeting, the addition of Singlespeed as a
>> championship discipline was approved. The Singlespeed National
>> Championship will be open to all rider ability categories (there will not
>> be any category restrictions). Riders must have a freewheel, one cog, and
>> drop bars. Mountain bikes and straight bars will not be allowed.
>
>
>
> --
> joel metz : magpie@blackbirdsf.org : http://www.blackbirdsf.org/
> magpie messenger collective : http://magpiemessenger.com/
> ==
> i know what innocence looks like - and it wasn't there,
> after she got that bicycle...
>
>
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Joel Metz

i think obra realizes that the number of people riding fixed is so small
to not really be worth worrying too much about busting them - and i think
they also realize that the few who do are VERY competent riders who they
need not worry about in the manner the rules do :)

-joel

> Interestingly, although OBRA does not share many of the restrictive rules
> with USAC and UCI we do restrict fixed gear from competing in cross unless
> all riders in the field are on a fixed. Enforcement of this rule is not
> very tight.
> Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Joel Metz"
> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 06:38:56
> To:
> Reply-To: magpie@blackbirdsf.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] CX Nationals SS & tire width
>
> now thats good news. from what theyve posted elsewhere, it was looking
> like ss might be restricted to only cats 1-3 or even just cats 1-2. lets
> hope they stick to it.
>
> as for the rest - well, im not keen on any of it. i seem to have gotten
> over my traditional attitudes towards flat bars and mtbs in cross - but
> banning double-cog freewheels is just silly, and the fixed gear ban is
> uninformed and misguided, especially when specifically applied to the
> singlespeed category.
>
> as for tires, like ive surely said before - i cant think of a reason to
> ride anything wider than a 32 anyways. :)
>
> -joel
>
>
>> I thought I would pass this along for those of you not on the other
>> mailing lists. I think this is great news, in general.
>>
>> From USA Cycling email announcement posted yesterday:
>> Singlespeed National Championship
>>
>> At the recent Board of Trustees meeting, the addition of Singlespeed as
>> a
>> championship discipline was approved. The Singlespeed National
>> Championship will be open to all rider ability categories (there will
>> not
>> be any category restrictions). Riders must have a freewheel, one cog,
>> and
>> drop bars. Mountain bikes and straight bars will not be allowed.
>
>
>
> --
> joel metz : magpie@blackbirdsf.org : http://www.blackbirdsf.org/
> magpie messenger collective : http://magpiemessenger.com/
> ==
> i know what innocence looks like - and it wasn't there,
> after she got that bicycle...
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
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>
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>

--
joel metz : magpie@blackbirdsf.org : http://www.blackbirdsf.org/
magpie messenger collective : http://magpiemessenger.com/
==
i know what innocence looks like - and it wasn't there,
after she got that bicycle...

Mike Murray

Interestingly, although OBRA does not share many of the restrictive rules with USAC and UCI we do restrict fixed gear from competing in cross unless all riders in the field are on a fixed. Enforcement of this rule is not very tight.
Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: "Joel Metz"
Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 06:38:56
To:
Reply-To: magpie@blackbirdsf.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] CX Nationals SS & tire width

now thats good news. from what theyve posted elsewhere, it was looking
like ss might be restricted to only cats 1-3 or even just cats 1-2. lets
hope they stick to it.

as for the rest - well, im not keen on any of it. i seem to have gotten
over my traditional attitudes towards flat bars and mtbs in cross - but
banning double-cog freewheels is just silly, and the fixed gear ban is
uninformed and misguided, especially when specifically applied to the
singlespeed category.

as for tires, like ive surely said before - i cant think of a reason to
ride anything wider than a 32 anyways. :)

-joel

> I thought I would pass this along for those of you not on the other
> mailing lists. I think this is great news, in general.
>
> From USA Cycling email announcement posted yesterday:
> Singlespeed National Championship
>
> At the recent Board of Trustees meeting, the addition of Singlespeed as a
> championship discipline was approved. The Singlespeed National
> Championship will be open to all rider ability categories (there will not
> be any category restrictions). Riders must have a freewheel, one cog, and
> drop bars. Mountain bikes and straight bars will not be allowed.

--
joel metz : magpie@blackbirdsf.org : http://www.blackbirdsf.org/
magpie messenger collective : http://magpiemessenger.com/
==
i know what innocence looks like - and it wasn't there,
after she got that bicycle...

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Jake Rosenfeld

Thanks for the heads up Seth,
Can you or someone on this list point to the spot on the usa cycling website
that says flatbars are not ok?
All I can find under 'rules' is that the bike has to be no more than 2 meters
long and 75cm wide with no forward facing attachments on the handlebars.  This
no flatbar business is throwing a stick in my spokes right now.
Thanks,
Jake

http://www.usacycling.org/

________________________________
From: Seth May
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Tue, November 16, 2010 6:11:39 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] CX Nationals SS & tire width

I thought I would pass this along for those of you not on the other mailing
lists. I think this is great news, in general. 

From USA Cycling email announcement posted yesterday:
Singlespeed National Championship
At the recent Board of Trustees meeting, the addition of Singlespeed as a
championship discipline was approved. The Singlespeed National Championship will
be open to all rider ability categories (there will not be any category
restrictions). Riders must have a freewheel, one cog, and drop bars. Mountain
bikes and straight bars will not be allowed.
Tire width rule
The new 33mm tire width rule will only apply to Elite, U23 and Juniors 17-18
years oldcompetitors.
Riders competing in the non-UCI categories of Masters, Singlespeed,
and Collegiatewill not have the new tire width rule enforced. However, they must
have no larger than a 35mm tire and compete on a cyclo-cross bike.
There are no bike restrictions for Juniors 16 years old and younger.

Thanks
Seth

Joel Metz

now thats good news. from what theyve posted elsewhere, it was looking
like ss might be restricted to only cats 1-3 or even just cats 1-2. lets
hope they stick to it.

as for the rest - well, im not keen on any of it. i seem to have gotten
over my traditional attitudes towards flat bars and mtbs in cross - but
banning double-cog freewheels is just silly, and the fixed gear ban is
uninformed and misguided, especially when specifically applied to the
singlespeed category.

as for tires, like ive surely said before - i cant think of a reason to
ride anything wider than a 32 anyways. :)

-joel

> I thought I would pass this along for those of you not on the other
> mailing lists. I think this is great news, in general.
>
> From USA Cycling email announcement posted yesterday:
> Singlespeed National Championship
>
> At the recent Board of Trustees meeting, the addition of Singlespeed as a
> championship discipline was approved. The Singlespeed National
> Championship will be open to all rider ability categories (there will not
> be any category restrictions). Riders must have a freewheel, one cog, and
> drop bars. Mountain bikes and straight bars will not be allowed.

--
joel metz : magpie@blackbirdsf.org : http://www.blackbirdsf.org/
magpie messenger collective : http://magpiemessenger.com/
==
i know what innocence looks like - and it wasn't there,
after she got that bicycle...

Seth May

I thought I would pass this along for those of you not on the other mailing lists. I think this is great news, in general.

From USA Cycling email announcement posted yesterday:
Singlespeed National Championship

At the recent Board of Trustees meeting, the addition of Singlespeed as a championship discipline was approved. The Singlespeed National Championship will be open to all rider ability categories (there will not be any category restrictions). Riders must have a freewheel, one cog, and drop bars. Mountain bikes and straight bars will not be allowed.

Tire width rule

The new 33mm tire width rule will only apply to Elite, U23 and Juniors 17-18 years oldcompetitors.

Riders competing in the non-UCI categories of Masters, Singlespeed, and Collegiatewill not have the new tire width rule enforced. However, they must have no larger than a 35mm tire and compete on a cyclo-cross bike.

There are no bike restrictions for Juniors 16 years old and younger.

Thanks
Seth