The Proper Way To Pass?

Susan Otcenas

2010-12-13

On a multi-use path, walkers, runners and cyclist should stay right,
pass left.

ON THE ROAD is a whole 'nother story. If there is no sidewalk, I (along
with just about every runner I know), run on the LEFT, facing oncoming
traffic. Runners are overtaken by moving vehicles so much more quickly
than cyclists are, that running on the left is much safer, as it gives
us the maximum amount of time to note the oncoming vehicle and make
adjustments to our position on the road, as conditions warrant.

People are creatures of habit; if he runs on roads without sidewalks a
lot, he's probably accustomed to staying left. Certainly, in the
non-motorized section of Tabor, he should have kept right, but he may
just have been zoning out. It doesn't excuse his attitude (or allowing
his dog to free roam and block most of the roadway), but I can see how
it might have happened. You passing him on the left would have seemed
out of place given where he might be accustomed to positioning himself.

Just a thought.

Susan

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Mark J. Ginsberg

2010-12-13

I will agree with others, the runner was mis-informed. passing is fact specific.

What I will add, as a runner and having sat on the Mt Tabor safety committee 2
summers ago, is that when running on any road with a crown (high center) runners
are advised to run in the middle b/c running on the shoulder puts your legs at a
sideways angle which can lead to problems and injuries.

i am not saying the runner was right, he sounds like a jerk, but the running in
the middle of a car free road is predictable and actually has a reason beyond
being difficult.

i hope he doesn't pass on the right when he drives!

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From: Spike Benjamin
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Sun, December 12, 2010 8:15:50 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] The Proper Way To Pass?

Here’s a question that I’d appreciate input about: What’s the proper way to pass
a pedestrian/runner?

Here’s why I’m asking:
Sunday afternoon I did a few intervals up and down Mt. Tabor. Coming uphill from
the Lincoln Street entrance, I came up behind a guy, a woman, and a dog running
together; the guy had a the dog on one of those waist belt leashes. The guy was
running in the middle -- if there had been a center stripe, he would have been
right on it with the dog on his left and the woman on his right. I slowed and
when I was about 50 feet back called out, “On your left.” There was no response
and there was room to pass on the left (not huge, but ample), so I figured they
had on headphones, slowed further, and when I was about 15 feet back called out,
“On your left” again. None of them made any move to the right (again, they
didn’t really need to for me to pass safely), but they guy shot me a dirty look
and said something that I can’t be certain of, but sounded very much like,
“Share the fuckin’ road.” I pedaled onward and didn’t give it much more thought.

But of course...not too long afterward, I came up behind the same threesome
while descending from the summit, this time in the gated section that is
car-free. The guy was again dead middle, but this time with the woman to his
left and the dog to his right. Anticipating a repeat of the previous encounter,
I slowed more than the previous time and called out, “On your left.” There was
no reaction. As before, and I slowed further and called out again as I came
closer. When I called out the second time, the guy moved to the left -- putting
the woman on his right and leaving only a very small opening on the left to
pass. Slowing further, I continued to pass on the left, planning to shoot the
guy a dirty look on the way by and leave it at that. As I pulled even with the
guy, he said, “What’s your problem? Pass on the right! Everyone knows that.”
Taken aback, I stopped and said, “What the fuck are you talking about?” The guy
says again, “Pass on the right and quit try
ing to run us off the road.”

At this point, the guy and I exchanged in a few moments of dialog that was
neither mature nor productive. I’m confident that we both parted annoyed at the
other -- at best.

In retrospect, I wish I’d passed on the right when he moved to the left (his
shift did create a big gap) and kept a cooler head when we spoke. Legitimate or
not, the guy obviously felt like my riding was putting him and his companions in
jeopardy, which would not be my preference. Was the guy a nutter or have I been
passing on the left for all these years, oblivious of this particular rule of
the road that “everyone knows.” If so, I must be disabused of my foolish passing
technique post haste. So to restate the original question, when passing a
pedestrian/runner what’s the preferred approach/technique/etiquette and which is
the preferred side for passing?
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Harry Phinney

2010-12-13

On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 21:46 -0800, dacrizzow wrote:
> he was mis informed.

It depends on your perspective. A pedestrian on a roadway (i.e. not on a
sidewalk or multi-use path) is legally required to walk/run on the left
side of the road - facing traffic. In such circumstances the
pedestrian/runner expects to be passed from behind on the right, not on
the left.

Harry Phinney


dacrizzow

2010-12-13

he was mis informed. you can't argue w/ those guys either. when some one is reacting like that they will assume to be right no matter what. you might notice if you ride in forest park the farther in you go the more the runners know how to re act to bikers. same w/ hikers and runners in the back country. most seasoned runners get it. might even give you a slight wave if they hear you. general rule is bike / pedestrian traffic is generally the same as motor traffic.


Robert Anderson

2010-12-13

Was he Australian?

On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 8:38 PM, wrote:

> I've been riding for decades and have had anyone tell me I should pass on
> the right unless the person I am passing is turning left. The guy was
> misinformed
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Spike Benjamin
> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.orgDate: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 20:15:50
> To:
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] The Proper Way To Pass?
>
> Here’s a question that I’d appreciate input about: What’s the proper way to
> pass a pedestrian/runner?
>
> Here’s why I’m asking:
> Sunday afternoon I did a few intervals up and down Mt. Tabor. Coming uphill
> from the Lincoln Street entrance, I came up behind a guy, a woman, and a dog
> running together; the guy had a the dog on one of those waist belt leashes.
> The guy was running in the middle -- if there had been a center stripe, he
> would have been right on it with the dog on his left and the woman on his
> right. I slowed and when I was about 50 feet back called out, “On your
> left.” There was no response and there was room to pass on the left (not
> huge, but ample), so I figured they had on headphones, slowed further, and
> when I was about 15 feet back called out, “On your left” again. None of them
> made any move to the right (again, they didn’t really need to for me to pass
> safely), but they guy shot me a dirty look and said something that I can’t
> be certain of, but sounded very much like, “Share the fuckin’ road.” I
> pedaled onward and didn’t give it much more thought.
>
> But of course...not too long afterward, I came up behind the same threesome
> while descending from the summit, this time in the gated section that is
> car-free. The guy was again dead middle, but this time with the woman to his
> left and the dog to his right. Anticipating a repeat of the previous
> encounter, I slowed more than the previous time and called out, “On your
> left.” There was no reaction. As before, and I slowed further and called out
> again as I came closer. When I called out the second time, the guy moved to
> the left -- putting the woman on his right and leaving only a very small
> opening on the left to pass. Slowing further, I continued to pass on the
> left, planning to shoot the guy a dirty look on the way by and leave it at
> that. As I pulled even with the guy, he said, “What’s your problem? Pass on
> the right! Everyone knows that.” Taken aback, I stopped and said, “What the
> fuck are you talking about?” The guy says again, “Pass on the right and quit
> try
> ing to run us off the road.”
>
> At this point, the guy and I exchanged in a few moments of dialog that was
> neither mature nor productive. I’m confident that we both parted annoyed at
> the other -- at best.
>
> In retrospect, I wish I’d passed on the right when he moved to the left
> (his shift did create a big gap) and kept a cooler head when we spoke.
> Legitimate or not, the guy obviously felt like my riding was putting him and
> his companions in jeopardy, which would not be my preference. Was the guy a
> nutter or have I been passing on the left for all these years, oblivious of
> this particular rule of the road that “everyone knows.” If so, I must be
> disabused of my foolish passing technique post haste. So to restate the
> original question, when passing a pedestrian/runner what’s the preferred
> approach/technique/etiquette and which is the preferred side for passing?
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johnfforbes@comcast.net

2010-12-13

I've been riding for decades and have had anyone tell me I should pass on the right unless the person I am passing is turning left. The guy was misinformed
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-----Original Message-----
From: Spike Benjamin
Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.orgDate: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 20:15:50
To:
Subject: [OBRA Chat] The Proper Way To Pass?

Here’s a question that I’d appreciate input about: What’s the proper way to pass a pedestrian/runner?

Here’s why I’m asking:
Sunday afternoon I did a few intervals up and down Mt. Tabor. Coming uphill from the Lincoln Street entrance, I came up behind a guy, a woman, and a dog running together; the guy had a the dog on one of those waist belt leashes. The guy was running in the middle -- if there had been a center stripe, he would have been right on it with the dog on his left and the woman on his right. I slowed and when I was about 50 feet back called out, “On your left.” There was no response and there was room to pass on the left (not huge, but ample), so I figured they had on headphones, slowed further, and when I was about 15 feet back called out, “On your left” again. None of them made any move to the right (again, they didn’t really need to for me to pass safely), but they guy shot me a dirty look and said something that I can’t be certain of, but sounded very much like, “Share the fuckin’ road.” I pedaled onward and didn’t give it much more thought.

But of course...not too long afterward, I came up behind the same threesome while descending from the summit, this time in the gated section that is car-free. The guy was again dead middle, but this time with the woman to his left and the dog to his right. Anticipating a repeat of the previous encounter, I slowed more than the previous time and called out, “On your left.” There was no reaction. As before, and I slowed further and called out again as I came closer. When I called out the second time, the guy moved to the left -- putting the woman on his right and leaving only a very small opening on the left to pass. Slowing further, I continued to pass on the left, planning to shoot the guy a dirty look on the way by and leave it at that. As I pulled even with the guy, he said, “What’s your problem? Pass on the right! Everyone knows that.” Taken aback, I stopped and said, “What the fuck are you talking about?” The guy says again, “Pass on the right and quit try
ing to run us off the road.”

At this point, the guy and I exchanged in a few moments of dialog that was neither mature nor productive. I’m confident that we both parted annoyed at the other -- at best.

In retrospect, I wish I’d passed on the right when he moved to the left (his shift did create a big gap) and kept a cooler head when we spoke. Legitimate or not, the guy obviously felt like my riding was putting him and his companions in jeopardy, which would not be my preference. Was the guy a nutter or have I been passing on the left for all these years, oblivious of this particular rule of the road that “everyone knows.” If so, I must be disabused of my foolish passing technique post haste. So to restate the original question, when passing a pedestrian/runner what’s the preferred approach/technique/etiquette and which is the preferred side for passing?
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Spike Benjamin

2010-12-13

Here’s a question that I’d appreciate input about: What’s the proper way to pass a pedestrian/runner?

Here’s why I’m asking:
Sunday afternoon I did a few intervals up and down Mt. Tabor. Coming uphill from the Lincoln Street entrance, I came up behind a guy, a woman, and a dog running together; the guy had a the dog on one of those waist belt leashes. The guy was running in the middle -- if there had been a center stripe, he would have been right on it with the dog on his left and the woman on his right. I slowed and when I was about 50 feet back called out, “On your left.” There was no response and there was room to pass on the left (not huge, but ample), so I figured they had on headphones, slowed further, and when I was about 15 feet back called out, “On your left” again. None of them made any move to the right (again, they didn’t really need to for me to pass safely), but they guy shot me a dirty look and said something that I can’t be certain of, but sounded very much like, “Share the fuckin’ road.” I pedaled onward and didn’t give it much more thought.

But of course...not too long afterward, I came up behind the same threesome while descending from the summit, this time in the gated section that is car-free. The guy was again dead middle, but this time with the woman to his left and the dog to his right. Anticipating a repeat of the previous encounter, I slowed more than the previous time and called out, “On your left.” There was no reaction. As before, and I slowed further and called out again as I came closer. When I called out the second time, the guy moved to the left -- putting the woman on his right and leaving only a very small opening on the left to pass. Slowing further, I continued to pass on the left, planning to shoot the guy a dirty look on the way by and leave it at that. As I pulled even with the guy, he said, “What’s your problem? Pass on the right! Everyone knows that.” Taken aback, I stopped and said, “What the fuck are you talking about?” The guy says again, “Pass on the right and quit try
ing to run us off the road.”

At this point, the guy and I exchanged in a few moments of dialog that was neither mature nor productive. I’m confident that we both parted annoyed at the other -- at best.

In retrospect, I wish I’d passed on the right when he moved to the left (his shift did create a big gap) and kept a cooler head when we spoke. Legitimate or not, the guy obviously felt like my riding was putting him and his companions in jeopardy, which would not be my preference. Was the guy a nutter or have I been passing on the left for all these years, oblivious of this particular rule of the road that “everyone knows.” If so, I must be disabused of my foolish passing technique post haste. So to restate the original question, when passing a pedestrian/runner what’s the preferred approach/technique/etiquette and which is the preferred side for passing?