John Benenate

The BAR is wonderful!

It gives totally invisible unknown, no-name amature athletes like Evan Plews a
reason to keep spending $4 a packet on scientifically re-constituted gu.

The BAR monitors action. Good bad or ugly.
And if like in most other states there was no BAR, then you wouldn't even show
up in a google search.
(unless you were a lot faster than Even Plews)

The BAR adds strategy to everyones' game - like drive to the race that is easier
to score in. You probably need that intermediary step in your development
anyway. (OBRA wants more of you to attend the least attended race)

BTW this monitoring system sales membership. More members = faster competition.

Go OBRA, Go! (Go OBRA when you go)

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From: Candi Murray
To: Evan Plews
Cc: OBRA ; ""

Sent: Tue, December 14, 2010 1:15:10 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] BAR-rethink

Oh Evan. It is obvious you do not know how things work. Your comment about the
management types was after one of the worker bees make a comment. The BAR gets
changed when a club recommends a change and presents it at the annual meeting.
The clubs vote on the change. There are no management types that make those
changes. The Board of Directors don't make any changes. We just need to find a
way to score and implement any changes.

Candi

On Dec 14, 2010, at 12:53 PM, Evan Plews wrote:

Let me define "...body" just so all you management types don't get your feelers
hurt... def: the general OBRA membership population. I seriously doubt many
members even read the rules or want to spend the time on participatory bicycle
racing politics. Most members likely can't even name one person on the board of
directors. I race a lot, bankroll a team, and I have never had a board member
even approach me in the last 10 years unless they were looking for a vote at the
annual meeting.

>
>My point was/is this: The BAR is want it IS. It rewards race participation at
>"smaller" events and in small fields. 16th place at Cross Crusade could be a lot
>better than 1st plan a KFCX and be worth NOTHING. I speak first hand from my
>results last year. If you want to change it then participate in the politics,
>too! Not you Ron (I think you do your fair share)...
>
>Happy Holidays and don't let constructive criticism get yer panties in a
>knot--we all need and deserve it from time to time!
>
>
>
>Evan Plews
>www.evanplews.com
>503-949-4879
>
>
>
>> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 12:41:09 -0800
>> From: periwinklekog@yahoo.com
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] BAR-rethink
>>
>> Ron wrote: "...suggest you change the name of BAR to "Participation Champ"
>>(don't ya love that abbreviation.....PC). I look at the riders finishing below
>>me and know it means almost NOTHING that I had more points. Most of them can
>>crush me on the course.....All I did was race more races. There needs to be a
>>system that actually rewards their results in races...not just number of races.
>>As set up now, the system does not mean I am the Best Cross master. I urge the
>>powers to be (Kenji and others) in OBRA to look at a change."
>>
>> *********
>>
>> Along with that, it would be helpful to send out an introductory explanation of
>>what BAR is, and what it's for. I didn't even realize it existed until near the
>>end of this, my second season of racing; and I found it by clicking idly on my
>>results from a race one day.
>>
>> Based on pure math, I am somehow ranked 3rd in some sub-set of singlespeed
>>(short-track), simply by virtue of showing up and killing myself regularly at
>>the PIR series this summer. My placings were at the bottom but this is not
>>reflected in the math. This method was also applied in figuring out the series
>>overall for the short-track series -- I got fifth overallin my category even
>>though I placed last or near-last at every race I entered, Just For Showing Up
>>Every Week.
>>
>>
>> Believe me, I was amazed at that outcome too.
>>
>> It sounds like people do care about BAR, and more than a few might be
>>shocked/stunned/upset if someone like me ever won an actual award in BAR points
>>when I'm still one of the slowest racers in the known universe. (Fear not, I'm
>>working on that for next year... I started spin classes last week! Yikes!)
>>
>> Is there a better system of math that could reflect results as well as
>>participation? (And, perhaps more importantly, could it be implemented by
>>someone who doesn't have a Ph.D in String Theory?) Seems like a worthwhile
>>quest.
>>
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