Pat Sagers
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I knew that was coming. I live in Bend - central Oregon. Central Oregon
really needs something like this. Most of the events are hosted by one or
two of the local bike shops in town. An actual club that isn't direclty
affiliated with one of these bike shops doesn't exist. At least not that I
am aware, anyway. I'd do it, but I have a hard enough time just fitting the
little training I do into my day. Central Oregon is growing very fast and I
think that eventually someone will step forward and champion the formation
of a club. That's what I'm hoping for.
Thanks
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Durkin [mailto:tjdu-@teleport.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 7:18 PM
To: wind-@hevanet.com; OBRA Remailer
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Master's Categories - again
Great idea, find a place and do it.
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From: Peter <mailto:wind-@hevanet.com> Drake
To: pat_s-@orcom.com <mailto:pat_s-@orcom.com> ; ob-@topica.com
<mailto:ob-@topica.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Master's Categories - again
Pat,
Sounds great, when are you going to be putting these on? Wednesdays would
be good for me. This issue, of course, falls under the infamous unwritten
OBRA rule (21b or 27b?) "If you don't like it, put on your own race."
Cheers,
Peter Drake
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From: Pat <mailto:pat_s-@orcom.com> Sagers
To: 'ob-@topica.com' <mailto:'ob-@topica.com'>
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 5:00 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Master's Categories - again
Years ago when I lived in Lake Tahoe, there was a Reno bike club that put on
weekly races. Instead of dealing with all the categories and whether you
were a junior, senior, boy or girl, they used time handicaps. The races
started in May and went through to September. They raced once a week on
Thursday nights and rotated between 3 road courses and 1 crit course. The
time handicaps were divided into 3 minute increments starting with 0 -
scratch and progressed up to 18 minutes. The race organizer would use the
prior weeks results to set your handicap group. If you hadn't raced before
I think he conducted a brief interview and then placed you in a group.
Typically the scratch group were all USCF Cat 1/2 riders and then very
strong riders in the 3 minute group and so on. If you won your group, you
would be moved up the next week. The idea was to have everyone finish the
race at the same time.
Personally, I had a great time with these races. I never could get time off
to travel to a race, so these races satisfied my competitive desire. In the
whole scheme of things, they didn't really mean anything. No organization
recognized them, so you couldn't carry your reputation to a race and have it
mean anything, but it got alot of folks racing that otherwise would never
show up to a race.
Another aspect that I liked was that the time groups formed teams. For
instance, if you were in the 6 minute group, your group would be motivated
to work together to catch the 9 minute group and to keep from getting caught
by the 3 minute or scratch groups. It was great fun and I have missed
participating in them since.
I don't think the category designations in Masters men's and women's races
will be able to please everyone until the numbers are there. I think the
answer is in providing more events like the one I described. Imagine
getting a 15 minute head start with 10 other riders whose fitness levels are
very close to yours. That would really take the fear out of getting dropped
and having to ride the race alone.
Pat Sagers
Systems Engineer
Orcom Solutions, Inc
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=336302615-08082002>I knew
that was coming. I live in Bend - central Oregon. Central Oregon
really needs something like this. Most of the events are hosted by one or
two of the local bike shops in town. An actual club that isn't direclty
affiliated with one of these bike shops doesn't exist. At least not that I
am aware, anyway. I'd do it, but I have a hard enough time
just fitting the little training I do into my day. Central Oregon is
growing very fast and I think that eventually someone will step forward and
champion the formation of a club. That's what I'm hoping
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Great idea, find a place and do it.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Pat,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sounds great, when are you going to be putting
these on? Wednesdays would be good for me. This issue, of
course, falls under the infamous unwritten OBRA rule (21b or 27b?) "If you
don't like it, put on your own race."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cheers,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Peter Drake</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 07, 2002 5:00
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [OBRA Chat] Master's
Categories - again</DIV>
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<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Years ago when I lived in Lake Tahoe, there was
a Reno bike club that put on weekly races. Instead of dealing with
all the categories and whether you were a junior, senior, boy or girl,
they used time handicaps. The races started in May and went through
to September. They raced once a week on Thursday nights and rotated
between 3 road courses and 1 crit course. The time handicaps were
divided into 3 minute increments starting with 0 - scratch and progressed
up to 18 minutes. The race organizer would use the prior weeks
results to set your handicap group. If you hadn't raced before I
think he conducted a brief interview and then placed you in a group.
Typically the scratch group were all USCF Cat 1/2 riders and then very
strong riders in the 3 minute group and so on. If you won your
group, you would be moved up the next week. The idea was to have
everyone finish the race at the same time. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Personally, I had a great time with these
races. I never could get time off to travel to a race, so these
races satisfied my competitive desire. In the whole scheme of
things, they didn't really mean anything. No organization recognized
them, so you couldn't carry your reputation to a race and have it mean
anything, but it got alot of folks racing that otherwise would never show
up to a race. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Another aspect that I liked was that the time
groups formed teams. For instance, if you were in the 6 minute
group, your group would be motivated to work together to catch the 9
minute group and to keep from getting caught by the 3 minute or scratch
groups. It was great fun and I have missed participating in them
since. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>I don't think the category designations in
Masters men's and women's races will be able to please everyone until the
numbers are there. I think the answer is in providing more events
like the one I described. Imagine getting a 15 minute head start
with 10 other riders whose fitness levels are very close to yours.
That would really take the fear out of getting dropped and having to ride
the race alone.</FONT></P>
<P><B><I><FONT face=Arial>Pat Sagers</FONT></I></B><I></I> <BR><FONT
face=Arial> </FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>Systems
Engineer</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>Orcom Solutions, Inc</FONT>
<BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>(541) 389-0120 x1554</FONT><I></I><I> <FONT
face=Arial size=1>voice</FONT></I> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>(541)
389-8267</FONT><I></I><I> <FONT face=Arial size=1>fax</FONT></I>
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