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There are always two sides to a story, but if yours is accurately portrayed
(stoplight sensors will not detect a bicycle) then the police citation and
the judge's decision are not reasonable. I'm far, far from a qualified
lawyer but seems to me that a light that cannot be tripped is effectively a
malfunctioning light and becomes a 4-way stop (as in a power outage).

Where is the intersection that this happened and what direction were you
traveling? I'd be willing to complain on behalf of area cyclists.

Lake Oswego Mayor Jack Hoffman contact page:
http://www.ci.oswego.or.us/tools/email/?510
Lake Oswego Police Department feedback page:
http://www.lakeoswegopolice.com/feedback.htm

-jeff

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Maggie Rising
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 9:52 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] "whoa" is (or wasn't) me

I was just found guilty in LO of running a red light on my bicycle. 5:45
a.m. The light is only tripped by cars, which rarely come by at that hour.
No cross walk, no button. The judge told me I must sit there and wait until
the light turns green. Since the ticket, I have waited as long as 5
minutes. No other reasonable routes to take (except over Mt. Park which is
a pretty brutal early-morning commute). Fine $216. Insurance rates go up.
To anticipate some replies, I am aware that bikes are subject to the rules
of the road. But when traffic light sensors don't "see" them, and when the
streets are deserted, it seems pretty unfair. The judge said I should take
it to City Council. Like the City of LO would spend a penny to make an
intersection easier for a cyclist to pass through!! I guess he moonlights
as a comedian. They did not even include bike lanes in the expensive and
fancy "remodeling" of downtown LO (but they got the brick cross walks, which
was really impo
rtant). Thank God for cyclocross, where there are no red lights and no
stop signs!!!!
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Brian Johnson

So a cop busted you for running a red light at 5:45 AM.

That qualifies as "serving and protecting"? As a resident of LO, I'm glad to know that the police are protecting me from scofflaws such as yourself.

I'm sorry you got that ridiculous ticket-- I hope you'll be able to do something to get out of it.

Brian J.

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eric aldinger

I would try using BTA to advocate for a bike sensor. Lake O has bike
lanes and bike sensors as part of their current traffic
infrastructure. They are not consistantly applying those where they
are most needed.

On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Dan H wrote:
> Maggie,
> That totally blows. What Mark says is right. Too bad you didn't ask him
> before going to court.
> I'm just curious though, do you stop your bike on the metal detector loop?
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maggie Rising"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 9:52 AM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] "whoa" is (or wasn't) me
>
>
>> I was just found guilty in LO of running a red light on my bicycle.  5:45
>> a.m.  The light is only tripped by cars, which rarely come by at that hour.
>> No cross walk, no button.  The judge told me I must sit there and wait until
>> the light turns green.  Since the ticket, I have waited as long as 5
>> minutes.  No other reasonable routes to take (except over Mt. Park which is
>> a pretty brutal early-morning commute).  Fine $216.  Insurance rates go up.
>> To anticipate some replies, I am aware that bikes are subject to the rules
>> of the road.  But when traffic light sensors don't "see" them, and when the
>> streets are deserted, it seems pretty unfair.  The judge said I should take
>> it to City Council.  Like the City of LO would spend a penny to make an
>> intersection easier for a cyclist to pass through!!  I guess he moonlights
>> as a comedian.  They did not even include bike lanes in the expensive and
>> fancy "remodeling" of downtown LO (but they got the brick cross walks, which
>> was really impo
>> rtant).  Thank God for cyclocross, where there are no red lights and no
>> stop signs!!!!
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Dan H

Maggie,
That totally blows. What Mark says is right. Too bad you didn't ask him
before going to court.
I'm just curious though, do you stop your bike on the metal detector loop?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Maggie Rising"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 9:52 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] "whoa" is (or wasn't) me

>I was just found guilty in LO of running a red light on my bicycle. 5:45
>a.m. The light is only tripped by cars, which rarely come by at that hour.
>No cross walk, no button. The judge told me I must sit there and wait
>until the light turns green. Since the ticket, I have waited as long as 5
>minutes. No other reasonable routes to take (except over Mt. Park which is
>a pretty brutal early-morning commute). Fine $216. Insurance rates go up.
>To anticipate some replies, I am aware that bikes are subject to the rules
>of the road. But when traffic light sensors don't "see" them, and when the
>streets are deserted, it seems pretty unfair. The judge said I should take
>it to City Council. Like the City of LO would spend a penny to make an
>intersection easier for a cyclist to pass through!! I guess he moonlights
>as a comedian. They did not even include bike lanes in the expensive and
>fancy "remodeling" of downtown LO (but they got the brick cross walks,
>which was really impo
> rtant). Thank God for cyclocross, where there are no red lights and no
> stop signs!!!!
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Josh Cady

I was wondering about that myself.

On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Bryan Voytilla wrote:

> I would just get off the bike and walk through the intersection next time.
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Maggie Rising wrote:
>
>> I was just found guilty in LO of running a red light on my bicycle. 5:45
>> a.m. The light is only tripped by cars, which rarely come by at that hour.
>> No cross walk, no button. The judge told me I must sit there and wait
>> until the light turns green. Since the ticket, I have waited as long as 5
>> minutes. No other reasonable routes to take (except over Mt. Park which is
>> a pretty brutal early-morning commute). Fine $216. Insurance rates go up.
>> To anticipate some replies, I am aware that bikes are subject to the rules
>> of the road. But when traffic light sensors don't "see" them, and when the
>> streets are deserted, it seems pretty unfair. The judge said I should take
>> it to City Council. Like the City of LO would spend a penny to make an
>> intersection easier for a cyclist to pass through!! I guess he moonlights
>> as a comedian. They did not even include bike lanes in the expensive and
>> fancy "remodeling" of downtown LO (but they got the brick cross walks, which
>> was really impo
>> rtant). Thank God for cyclocross, where there are no red lights and no
>> stop signs!!!!
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>> obra@list.obra.org
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>
>
>
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> 503-314-3533
>
> All dogs go to heaven
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Bryan Voytilla

I would just get off the bike and walk through the intersection next time.

On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Maggie Rising wrote:

> I was just found guilty in LO of running a red light on my bicycle. 5:45
> a.m. The light is only tripped by cars, which rarely come by at that hour.
> No cross walk, no button. The judge told me I must sit there and wait
> until the light turns green. Since the ticket, I have waited as long as 5
> minutes. No other reasonable routes to take (except over Mt. Park which is
> a pretty brutal early-morning commute). Fine $216. Insurance rates go up.
> To anticipate some replies, I am aware that bikes are subject to the rules
> of the road. But when traffic light sensors don't "see" them, and when the
> streets are deserted, it seems pretty unfair. The judge said I should take
> it to City Council. Like the City of LO would spend a penny to make an
> intersection easier for a cyclist to pass through!! I guess he moonlights
> as a comedian. They did not even include bike lanes in the expensive and
> fancy "remodeling" of downtown LO (but they got the brick cross walks, which
> was really impo
> rtant). Thank God for cyclocross, where there are no red lights and no
> stop signs!!!!
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All dogs go to heaven

Mark J. Ginsberg

Noah built the Ark before the rain.
Why didn't you call me before hand?

You had (past tense) an impossibility defense.
Traffic court is designed to convict people.

Was it a court of record (ciruirt court) or municipal court (not of record).

If it was not a court of record you can appeal to the trial court (circuit
court) and try the case again, but if it was a court of record then you appeal
to the Oregon Court of Appeals, which you can do, but you don't want to do.

Happy to talk off list.

mark

Mark J. Ginsberg
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Attorneys At Law
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Portland, OR 97214
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________________________________
From: Maggie Rising
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wed, December 29, 2010 9:52:23 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] "whoa" is (or wasn't) me

I was just found guilty in LO of running a red light on my bicycle. 5:45 a.m.
The light is only tripped by cars, which rarely come by at that hour. No cross
walk, no button. The judge told me I must sit there and wait until the light
turns green. Since the ticket, I have waited as long as 5 minutes. No other
reasonable routes to take (except over Mt. Park which is a pretty brutal
early-morning commute). Fine $216. Insurance rates go up. To anticipate some
replies, I am aware that bikes are subject to the rules of the road. But when
traffic light sensors don't "see" them, and when the streets are deserted, it
seems pretty unfair. The judge said I should take it to City Council. Like the
City of LO would spend a penny to make an intersection easier for a cyclist to
pass through!! I guess he moonlights as a comedian. They did not even include
bike lanes in the expensive and fancy "remodeling" of downtown LO (but they got
the brick cross walks, which was really impo
rtant). Thank God for cyclocross, where there are no red lights and no stop
signs!!!!
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Maggie Rising

I was just found guilty in LO of running a red light on my bicycle. 5:45 a.m. The light is only tripped by cars, which rarely come by at that hour. No cross walk, no button. The judge told me I must sit there and wait until the light turns green. Since the ticket, I have waited as long as 5 minutes. No other reasonable routes to take (except over Mt. Park which is a pretty brutal early-morning commute). Fine $216. Insurance rates go up. To anticipate some replies, I am aware that bikes are subject to the rules of the road. But when traffic light sensors don't "see" them, and when the streets are deserted, it seems pretty unfair. The judge said I should take it to City Council. Like the City of LO would spend a penny to make an intersection easier for a cyclist to pass through!! I guess he moonlights as a comedian. They did not even include bike lanes in the expensive and fancy "remodeling" of downtown LO (but they got the brick cross walks, which was really impo
rtant). Thank God for cyclocross, where there are no red lights and no stop signs!!!!