Dan H

Lets see you try that on your Speedplay cleats!

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From: "Brady Brady"
To: "Alan" ;
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Do I stop for a bus w/ flashing red lights

> If you're on the bike, stop.
>
> I like to dismount, pick the bike up like in cross (now I'm a pedestrian)
> and (safely) run past the bus on the sidewalk, then remount.
>
> This makes parents laugh and gets me ahead of the bus.
>
> Brady Brady
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>
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> Behalf Of Alan
> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:10 PM
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> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Do I stop for a bus w/ flashing red lights
>
> Does anyone know the rules when coming up to a bus with flashing red
> lights? As a cyclist, am I required to stop and wait, just like a car, or
> can I continue at a safe speed since I am not motorized? And, if it
> matters, I commute in Southwest Washington if the laws are different here
> than in Oregon. Thanks!
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Brady Brady

If you're on the bike, stop.

I like to dismount, pick the bike up like in cross (now I'm a pedestrian) and (safely) run past the bus on the sidewalk, then remount.

This makes parents laugh and gets me ahead of the bus.

Brady Brady
JMP Academics
brady.brady@jmp.com
Office: 919.531.9767
Mobile: 503.545.2110

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Alan
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:10 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Do I stop for a bus w/ flashing red lights

Does anyone know the rules when coming up to a bus with flashing red lights? As a cyclist, am I required to stop and wait, just like a car, or can I continue at a safe speed since I am not motorized? And, if it matters, I commute in Southwest Washington if the laws are different here than in Oregon. Thanks!
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Saul Lopez

Agreed.  Rules of the road apply to us.  We complain enough about not being respected by motorists and obeying rules of the road as they apply to cyclists - why throw more fuel into the fire.

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From: Pistis Mountain Bike Racing Team
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Do I stop for a bus w/ flashing red lights
To: alanhamilton3@gmail.com, "obra@list.obra.org"
Date: Monday, January 24, 2011, 4:01 PM

For the kids safety and mine I go ahead and stop.

Cliff McCann 

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> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:10:26 -0800
> From: alanhamilton3@gmail.com
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Do I stop for a bus w/ flashing red lights
>
> Does anyone know the rules when coming up to a bus with flashing red lights? As a cyclist, am I required to stop and wait, just like a car, or can I continue at a safe speed since I am not motorized? And, if it matters, I commute in Southwest Washington if the laws are different here than in Oregon. Thanks!
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Maggie Edwards-Rising

I figure it's an opportunity to show some biking good will by stopping. We get such a bad rap. With a bus full of kids and all the other stopped cars, you have a captive audience to show them just how angelic cyclists are! I do think the "rules of the road" would say that you as a cyclist are treated just like a motor vehicle in this situation.

Regards,
Maggie

From: mountainbikepros@msn.com
To: alanhamilton3@gmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 16:01:08 -0800
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Do I stop for a bus w/ flashing red lights

For the kids safety and mine I go ahead and stop.

Cliff McCann

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> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:10:26 -0800
> From: alanhamilton3@gmail.com
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Do I stop for a bus w/ flashing red lights
>
> Does anyone know the rules when coming up to a bus with flashing red lights? As a cyclist, am I required to stop and wait, just like a car, or can I continue at a safe speed since I am not motorized? And, if it matters, I commute in Southwest Washington if the laws are different here than in Oregon. Thanks!
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For the kids safety and mine I go ahead and stop.

Cliff McCann

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> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:10:26 -0800
> From: alanhamilton3@gmail.com
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Do I stop for a bus w/ flashing red lights
>
> Does anyone know the rules when coming up to a bus with flashing red lights? As a cyclist, am I required to stop and wait, just like a car, or can I continue at a safe speed since I am not motorized? And, if it matters, I commute in Southwest Washington if the laws are different here than in Oregon. Thanks!
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Michael Mann

On my morning commute into Gresham I frequently meet a bus that loads a big
bunch of kids at an apartment complex. The process has taken 5 minutes or
more sometimes. Remember in most places bikes are permitted on the sidewalk.
I take a good look, and roll slowly by on the sidewalk on the opposite side
of the street from where the bus is loading.

MIke

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:17 PM, craig austin wrote:

> That's a great point, Kenji. Too often we forget that simple option that
> could save us red light tickets, get us through a traffic jam safely, etc.
> One of the many advantages of being on a bike is that you can temporarily
> get OFF the thing to save time.
>
> Craig
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:13 PM, T. Kenji Sugahara wrote:
>
>> You are required to stop.
>>
>> But, if you are in a rush and need to get by, get off the bike- and
>> walk it past the bus.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Alan wrote:
>> > Does anyone know the rules when coming up to a bus with flashing red
>> lights? As a cyclist, am I required to stop and wait, just like a car, or
>> can I continue at a safe speed since I am not motorized? And, if it
>> matters, I commute in Southwest Washington if the laws are different here
>> than in Oregon. Thanks!
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>>
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Gregg Magnus

Kenji is correct. You as a cyclist are considered a vehicle when on a public roadway (and some premises open to the public) and thus must comply with most laws in Oregon, bus with flashing red lights being one of them. I do not know the laws in Washington but imagine it's the same there as well.

Gregg

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On Jan 24, 2011, at 12:13, "T. Kenji Sugahara" wrote:

> You are required to stop.
>
> But, if you are in a rush and need to get by, get off the bike- and
> walk it past the bus.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Alan wrote:
>> Does anyone know the rules when coming up to a bus with flashing red lights? As a cyclist, am I required to stop and wait, just like a car, or can I continue at a safe speed since I am not motorized? And, if it matters, I commute in Southwest Washington if the laws are different here than in Oregon. Thanks!
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craig austin

That's a great point, Kenji. Too often we forget that simple option that
could save us red light tickets, get us through a traffic jam safely, etc.
One of the many advantages of being on a bike is that you can temporarily
get OFF the thing to save time.

Craig

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:13 PM, T. Kenji Sugahara wrote:

> You are required to stop.
>
> But, if you are in a rush and need to get by, get off the bike- and
> walk it past the bus.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Alan wrote:
> > Does anyone know the rules when coming up to a bus with flashing red
> lights? As a cyclist, am I required to stop and wait, just like a car, or
> can I continue at a safe speed since I am not motorized? And, if it
> matters, I commute in Southwest Washington if the laws are different here
> than in Oregon. Thanks!
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >
> >
>
>
>
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> Executive Director
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T. Kenji Sugahara

You are required to stop.

But, if you are in a rush and need to get by, get off the bike- and
walk it past the bus.

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Alan wrote:
> Does anyone know the rules when coming up to a bus with flashing red lights?  As a cyclist, am I required to stop and wait, just like a car, or can I continue at a safe speed since I am not motorized?  And, if it matters, I commute in Southwest Washington if the laws are different here than in Oregon.  Thanks!
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Alan

Does anyone know the rules when coming up to a bus with flashing red lights? As a cyclist, am I required to stop and wait, just like a car, or can I continue at a safe speed since I am not motorized? And, if it matters, I commute in Southwest Washington if the laws are different here than in Oregon. Thanks!