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Law of gross tonnage is the only one worth heeding in this case. Ouch.

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of eric aldinger
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:36 PM
To: Michael Mann
Cc: obra@list.obra.org; Alan
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Do I stop for a bus Merging across the bike lane

Continuing the bus themed queries.

Do I as a cyclist in a Portland bike lane have to yield to a bus merging across my lane when the bus is pulling up to a designated bus stop? I know I have to yield when the buss is pulling away from a bus stop. I think they have to wait for me to pass if they are on the left hand side and I am in a designated bike lane.
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Michael Mann > wrote:
On my morning commute into Gresham I frequently meet a bus that loads a big bunch of kids at an apartment complex. The process has taken 5 minutes or more sometimes. Remember in most places bikes are permitted on the sidewalk. I take a good look, and roll slowly by on the sidewalk on the opposite side of the street from where the bus is loading.

MIke

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:17 PM, craig austin > wrote:
That's a great point, Kenji. Too often we forget that simple option that could save us red light tickets, get us through a traffic jam safely, etc. One of the many advantages of being on a bike is that you can temporarily get OFF the thing to save time.

Craig

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:13 PM, T. Kenji Sugahara > wrote:
You are required to stop.

But, if you are in a rush and need to get by, get off the bike- and
walk it past the bus.

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Alan > wrote:
> Does anyone know the rules when coming up to a bus with flashing red lights? As a cyclist, am I required to stop and wait, just like a car, or can I continue at a safe speed since I am not motorized? And, if it matters, I commute in Southwest Washington if the laws are different here than in Oregon. Thanks!
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Gregg Magnus

I am not aware of any laws (other then physics) that give trimet or any other vehicles the right to cause another vehicle on the roadway to have to yield to them when they are in traffic and changing lanes to exit traffic. The ORS is below and if you take a look at sub-section (3) it seems to specifically address your concern. However, as the saying goes, you can be right and you can be dead right.

Gregg

811.167 Failure to yield right of way to transit bus; rules; penalty. (1) A person commits the offense of failure to yield the right of way to a transit bus entering traffic if the person does not yield the right of way to a transit bus when:
(a) A yield sign as described in subsection (2) of this section is displayed on the back of the transit bus;
(b) The person is operating a vehicle that is overtaking the transit bus from the rear of the transit bus; and
(c) The transit bus, after stopping to receive or discharge passengers, is signaling an intention to enter the traffic lane occupied by the person.
(2) The yield sign referred to in subsection (1)(a) of this section shall warn a person operating a motor vehicle approaching the rear of a transit bus that the person must yield when the transit bus is entering traffic. The yield sign shall be illuminated by a flashing light when the bus is signaling an intention to enter a traffic lane after stopping to receive or discharge passengers. The Oregon Transportation Commission shall adopt by rule the message on the yield sign, specifications for the size, shape, color, lettering and illumination of the sign and specifications for the placement of the sign on a transit bus.
(3) This section does not relieve a driver of a transit bus from the duty to drive with due regard for the safety of all persons using the roadway.
(4) As used in this section, “transit bus” means a commercial bus operated by a city, a mass transit district established under ORS 267.010 to 267.390 or a transportation district established under ORS 267.510 to 267.650.
(5) The offense described in this section, failure to yield the right of way to a transit bus entering traffic, is a Class D traffic violation. [1997 c.509 §2]

Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:36:19 -0800
From: ewascent@gmail.com
To: velomann@gmail.com
CC: obra@list.obra.org; alanhamilton3@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Do I stop for a bus Merging across the bike lane

Continuing the bus themed queries.

Do I as a cyclist in a Portland bike lane have to yield to a bus merging across my lane when the bus is pulling up to a designated bus stop? I know I have to yield when the buss is pulling away from a bus stop. I think they have to wait for me to pass if they are on the left hand side and I am in a designated bike lane.

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Michael Mann wrote:

On my morning commute into Gresham I frequently meet a bus that loads a big bunch of kids at an apartment complex. The process has taken 5 minutes or more sometimes. Remember in most places bikes are permitted on the sidewalk. I take a good look, and roll slowly by on the sidewalk on the opposite side of the street from where the bus is loading.

MIke

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:17 PM, craig austin wrote:

That's a great point, Kenji. Too often we forget that simple option that could save us red light tickets, get us through a traffic jam safely, etc. One of the many advantages of being on a bike is that you can temporarily get OFF the thing to save time.

Craig

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:13 PM, T. Kenji Sugahara wrote:

You are required to stop.

But, if you are in a rush and need to get by, get off the bike- and
walk it past the bus.

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Alan wrote:
> Does anyone know the rules when coming up to a bus with flashing red lights? As a cyclist, am I required to stop and wait, just like a car, or can I continue at a safe speed since I am not motorized? And, if it matters, I commute in Southwest Washington if the laws are different here than in Oregon. Thanks!
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Continuing the bus themed queries.

Do I as a cyclist in a Portland bike lane have to yield to a bus merging
across my lane when the bus is pulling up to a designated bus stop? I know I
have to yield when the buss is pulling away from a bus stop. I think they
have to wait for me to pass if they are on the left hand side and I am in a
designated bike lane.

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Michael Mann wrote:

> On my morning commute into Gresham I frequently meet a bus that loads a big
> bunch of kids at an apartment complex. The process has taken 5 minutes or
> more sometimes. Remember in most places bikes are permitted on the sidewalk.
> I take a good look, and roll slowly by on the sidewalk on the opposite side
> of the street from where the bus is loading.
>
> MIke
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:17 PM, craig austin wrote:
>
>> That's a great point, Kenji. Too often we forget that simple option that
>> could save us red light tickets, get us through a traffic jam safely, etc.
>> One of the many advantages of being on a bike is that you can temporarily
>> get OFF the thing to save time.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:13 PM, T. Kenji Sugahara wrote:
>>
>>> You are required to stop.
>>>
>>> But, if you are in a rush and need to get by, get off the bike- and
>>> walk it past the bus.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> > Does anyone know the rules when coming up to a bus with flashing red
>>> lights? As a cyclist, am I required to stop and wait, just like a car, or
>>> can I continue at a safe speed since I am not motorized? And, if it
>>> matters, I commute in Southwest Washington if the laws are different here
>>> than in Oregon. Thanks!
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>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
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>>> Executive Director
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>>> Phone: 503-278-5550
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