Karsten Hagen

I can¹t wait till the writers of Portlandia see this email string.

On 2/10/11 11:32 AM, "Matt Mahoney" wrote:

>
> I agree with Mr Bravard. He is especially despicable.
>
> I don't know what all the fuss is about.
> Masters don't have any reason to pee on a race course.
> They have perfectly good diapers to soak up all that pee.
>
>
>
> From: jb24817@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 18:56:15 -0800
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Bounty on public urination at Cherry Pie
>
> Masters are despicable. Especially me.
>
>
>
> On Feb 9, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Mike Richardson wrote:
>
>> What's up with masters?? Does that connect with peeing or are we pretending
>> to be old? I gotta know!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Feb 9, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Chris Alling <
>> calling64@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This is awesome I am glad that we are getting the discussion of public
>>> urination out and resolved before racing begins. Next up center line
>>> violations and masters racing issues.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Adrian Richardson

I heard Dog is stopping through Adair before Vegas. More of a reason to
drink AS LITTLE water as possible.

You have been warned.

just in case you don't know who i am talking about
http://www.dogthebountyhunter.com/

"woof"

:)

On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Matt Mahoney wrote:

>
> I agree with Mr Bravard. He is especially despicable.
>
> I don't know what all the fuss is about.
> Masters don't have any reason to pee on a race course.
> They have perfectly good diapers to soak up all that pee.
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: jb24817@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 18:56:15 -0800
>
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Bounty on public urination at Cherry Pie
>
> Masters are despicable. Especially me.
>
>
>
> On Feb 9, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Mike Richardson wrote:
>
> What's up with masters?? Does that connect with peeing or are we
> pretending to be old? I gotta know!
>
> Mike
>
> On Feb 9, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Chris Alling <
> calling64@msn.com> wrote:
>
> This is awesome I am glad that we are getting the discussion of public
> urination out and resolved before racing begins. Next up center line
> violations and masters racing issues.
>
>
>
>
>
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Matt Mahoney

I agree with Mr Bravard. He is especially despicable.
I don't know what all the fuss is about. Masters don't have any reason to pee on a race course. They have perfectly good diapers to soak up all that pee.

From: jb24817@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 18:56:15 -0800
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Bounty on public urination at Cherry Pie

Masters are despicable. Especially me.

On Feb 9, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Mike Richardson wrote:

What's up with masters?? Does that connect with peeing or are we pretending to be old? I gotta know!

Mike
On Feb 9, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Chris Alling wrote:

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Ron and Dorothy Strasser

WOW! There are some people on this list that need something to do. First race is the 19th. Get out there and train harder so you don't have so much energy for the keyboard! If that does not work, get a legislator to introduce a bill to change all "stop" signs to "go" signs. If that passes get the legislator to introduce a bill making "urination in public legal". If neither work just figure common sense (which can be rare these days) would suggest you live by the rules of society.
Maybe drop this thread and talk about dealing with the rain spray on your first few races or some such stuff.
If you get old enough and have enough problems with body functions, they can fix you up with a real fancy bag to take care of that public urination and running stop signs is the opposite of a "kid thing". It is a just the result of a "senior moment", the real meaning of "master".
THANK YOU.
ronnie
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From: John Bravard
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Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Bounty on public urination at Cherry Pie

Masters are despicable. Especially me.

On Feb 9, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Mike Richardson wrote:

What's up with masters?? Does that connect with peeing or are we pretending to be old? I gotta know!

Mike

On Feb 9, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Chris Alling wrote:

This is awesome I am glad that we are getting the discussion of public urination out and resolved before racing begins. Next up center line violations and masters racing issues.

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John Bravard

Masters are despicable. Especially me.

On Feb 9, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Mike Richardson wrote:

> What's up with masters?? Does that connect with peeing or are we pretending to be old? I gotta know!
>
> Mike
>
> On Feb 9, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Chris Alling wrote:
>
>> This is awesome I am glad that we are getting the discussion of public urination out and resolved before racing begins. Next up center line violations and masters racing issues.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Mike Richardson

What's up with masters?? Does that connect with peeing or are we pretending to be old? I gotta know!

Mike

On Feb 9, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Chris Alling wrote:

> This is awesome I am glad that we are getting the discussion of public urination out and resolved before racing begins. Next up center line violations and masters racing issues.
>
>
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Raedeke, John

LOL thanks Chris I needed that. Maybe also some talk about too much snow at a MTB race. I am looking into having Depends to work with a chamois manufacturer, stay tuned…

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Chris Alling
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 11:22 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Bounty on public urination at Cherry Pie

This is awesome I am glad that we are getting the discussion of public urination out and resolved before racing begins. Next up center line violations and masters racing issues.

Jacob Furniss

One word:

Stillsuits

Mike Stockton

Ok no seeing in public....got it, can we now drop it!
On Feb 9, 2011 11:22 AM, "Chris Alling" wrote:
> This is awesome I am glad that we are getting the discussion of public
urination out and resolved before racing begins. Next up center line
violations and masters racing issues.
>
>
>
>

Chris Alling

This is awesome I am glad that we are getting the discussion of public urination out and resolved before racing begins. Next up center line violations and masters racing issues.

Seth May

I just wanted to make a note on this. As the Chief Ref for Cherry Pie
last year, I was the one dealing with some folks who were very upset
about this issue. One was quite irrate that his young daughter was
witness to this occurring as she sat at her breakfast table eating. The
really sad thing was that the riders had to ride past all the
port-a-potties in order to get to the apartment parking lot. Literally,
they were within 50 feet of the toilets. Completely avoidable!

That said, don't be a chump!

Drink a little less water. You'll still be well hydrated, and your
extremely nervous pre-race bladder will thank you.

Unfortunately, the people that most need this message are not on this
mailing list. So, if you see them, make it know.

Thanks
Seth

On 2/8/2011 2:45 PM, james-fischer@comcast.net wrote:
>
> Those who are not attending the Cherry Pie, read no further.
>
> Our new staging venue for CP is at Santiam Christian HS. They
> expressed serious concern for littering and public urination. Last
> year, faculty members and their children witnessed racers urinating in
> front yards behind Valley Catering. We almost lost the ability to use
> Adair for the event. If that happened, the race would go away. There
> are few other venues in the Valley that will work with a race this
> large this time of year. Many parks are still closed.
>
> So, this year, we have a plan to encourage folks to be more diligent
> about this problem. There are 6 portable toilets available for your
> use, located in the main parking lot as well as near the start staging
> area.
>
> Anyone caught urinating in public will be immediately ejected from the
> event. If you are caught by local law enforcement, expect a hefty
> ticket. I'm working with Adair City Hall to inform the locals about
> how to handle this behavior, which will basically include calling me
> or local law enforcement...whichever works for them. I'll be asking
> for descriptions including kit design, bib, vehicle license plate,
> bicycle characteristics...you name it.
>
> With technology what it is, all you need to do is snap a pic/flick on
> your phone and text/e-mail it to me. 541.990.8979 or
> james-fischer@comcast.net. You don't even have to identify yourself if
> you don't want. Pictures speak for themselves.
>
> If you do wish to come forward, the BOUNTY for you helping to curtail
> public urination is a free entry/refund. Catch somebody, show it to
> me, and you race for free. No questions asked.
>
> Please pick up any trash you see, regardless of who put it there.
> Let's leave the venue cleaner than we find it!
>
> Thanks, and we'll see you on the 19th!
>
> Jim Fischer
>
> Heather Paris
>
> Cherry Pie Road Race
>
>
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Doug Clark

MY race has more porta-poties than your race! sounds like an arms race.

Not only do we go to races for glory, upgrade points and pain but also ... to pee.

doug

On Feb 9, 2011, at 9:33 AM, Gabriel Amadeus Tiller wrote:

> This is hilarious! I'm not even racing, but now I'm showing up to pee!
>
> Gabriel Amadeus Tiller

Gabriel Amadeus Tiller

This is hilarious! I'm not even racing, but now I'm showing up to pee!

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On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 8:45 PM, wrote:

>
> And in a front yard?!?
>
>
> > Peeing in a field out in the middle of nowhere is one thing, sometimes
> > expected (especially in stage race). Peeing on a building while
> spectators
> > are around (or not around)? That is just plain dumb.
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Evan Plews wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> You guys so quickly miss the point... but then again that is our
> >> society.
> >> Pretty soon we will all have to wear full body casts by law to protect
> >> ourselves from ourselves. Actually that should be an OBRA rule to
> >> prevent
> >> injury imminent to bike racing!
> >>
> >> Of course, I cannot fault any of you for not "reading" my disgust and
> >> sarcasm in email form. That all being said, my QUESTION is unanswered--I
> >> have been in a number of events where racing has been halted for peeing
> >> with
> >> no potty in sight.
> >>
> >> Whats the rule??? I have even seen officials stop their cars to wait for
> >> these heinous crimes or maybe they were just watching.
> >>
> >> It all seems like hypocrisy is all to me, but there I go again with the
> >> cynicism...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Evan Plews
> >> www.evanplews.com
> >> 503-949-4879
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >> From: Brady.Brady@jmp.com
> >> To: plewse@hotmail.com
> >> Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Bounty on public urination at Cherry Pie
> >> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 04:11:45 +0000
> >>
> >> My solution:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 1) Identify whiney-gripeys pre-race
> >>
> >> 2) Soil kits during race
> >>
> >> 3) Mail soiled kit to whiney-gripeys after race
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Gratifying, if ineffective.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Brady Brady
> >>
> >> JMP Academics
> >>
> >> brady.brady@jmp.com
> >>
> >> Office: 919.531.9767
> >>
> >> Mobile: 503.545.2110
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> >> *On
> >> Behalf Of *Evan Plews
> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 08, 2011 10:53 PM
> >> *To:* Jim Fischer; OBRA
> >> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Bounty on public urination at Cherry Pie
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Those who know me could imagine my initial reaction to Fish's
> >> notification... "common sense" may be a more appropriate response. Since
> >> "common sense" isn't so common among our gene pool anymore it begs to
> >> question and we apparently have laws to imprison us even for natural
> >> body
> >> function... What about DURING the race?
> >>
> >> I would say that I have been in more OBRA races than not where
> >> individuals
> >> and often the whole field stopped for nature breaks. I don't recall any
> >> government provided public restrooms being used but that is another
> >> great
> >> motivation for deficit spending.
> >>
> >> What is the penalty for peeing during a bike race? Warning, suspension,
> >> charges pressed, lifetime sex-offender status or just capital punishment
> >> from the nearest OBRA official?
> >>
> >> BTW are there any non-police states accepting applications for
> >> residency?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Evan Plews
> >>
> >> www.evanplews.com
> >>
> >> 503-949-4879
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 22:45:28 +0000
> >> From: james-fischer@comcast.net
> >> To: obra@list.obra.org
> >> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Bounty on public urination at Cherry Pie
> >>
> >>
> >> Those who are not attending the Cherry Pie, read no further.
> >>
> >> Our new staging venue for CP is at Santiam Christian HS. They expressed
> >> serious concern for littering and public urination. Last year, faculty
> >> members and their children witnessed racers urinating in front yards
> >> behind
> >> Valley Catering. We almost lost the ability to use Adair for the event.
> >> If
> >> that happened, the race would go away. There are few other venues in the
> >> Valley that will work with a race this large this time of year. Many
> >> parks
> >> are still closed.
> >>
> >> So, this year, we have a plan to encourage folks to be more diligent
> >> about
> >> this problem. There are 6 portable toilets available for your use,
> >> located
> >> in the main parking lot as well as near the start staging area.
> >>
> >> Anyone caught urinating in public will be immediately ejected from the
> >> event. If you are caught by local law enforcement, expect a hefty
> >> ticket.
> >> I'm working with Adair City Hall to inform the locals about how to
> >> handle
> >> this behavior, which will basically include calling me or local law
> >> enforcement...whichever works for them. I'll be asking for descriptions
> >> including kit design, bib, vehicle license plate, bicycle
> >> characteristics...you name it.
> >>
> >> With technology what it is, all you need to do is snap a pic/flick on
> >> your
> >> phone and text/e-mail it to me. 541.990.8979 or
> >> james-fischer@comcast.net.
> >> You don't even have to identify yourself if you don't want. Pictures
> >> speak
> >> for themselves.
> >>
> >> If you do wish to come forward, the BOUNTY for you helping to curtail
> >> public urination is a free entry/refund. Catch somebody, show it to me,
> >> and
> >> you race for free. No questions asked.
> >>
> >> Please pick up any trash you see, regardless of who put it there. Let's
> >> leave the venue cleaner than we find it!
> >>
> >> Thanks, and we'll see you on the 19th!
> >>
> >>
> >> Jim Fischer
> >> Heather Paris
> >> Cherry Pie Road Race
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________ OBRA mailing list
> >> obra@list.obra.org http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> >> Unsubscribe:
> >> obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
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eric939@redshift.com

And in a front yard?!?

> Peeing in a field out in the middle of nowhere is one thing, sometimes
> expected (especially in stage race). Peeing on a building while spectators
> are around (or not around)? That is just plain dumb.
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Evan Plews wrote:
>
>>
>> You guys so quickly miss the point... but then again that is our
>> society.
>> Pretty soon we will all have to wear full body casts by law to protect
>> ourselves from ourselves. Actually that should be an OBRA rule to
>> prevent
>> injury imminent to bike racing!
>>
>> Of course, I cannot fault any of you for not "reading" my disgust and
>> sarcasm in email form. That all being said, my QUESTION is unanswered--I
>> have been in a number of events where racing has been halted for peeing
>> with
>> no potty in sight.
>>
>> Whats the rule??? I have even seen officials stop their cars to wait for
>> these heinous crimes or maybe they were just watching.
>>
>> It all seems like hypocrisy is all to me, but there I go again with the
>> cynicism...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Evan Plews
>> www.evanplews.com
>> 503-949-4879
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> From: Brady.Brady@jmp.com
>> To: plewse@hotmail.com
>> Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Bounty on public urination at Cherry Pie
>> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 04:11:45 +0000
>>
>> My solution:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1) Identify whiney-gripeys pre-race
>>
>> 2) Soil kits during race
>>
>> 3) Mail soiled kit to whiney-gripeys after race
>>
>>
>>
>> Gratifying, if ineffective.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Brady Brady
>>
>> JMP Academics
>>
>> brady.brady@jmp.com
>>
>> Office: 919.531.9767
>>
>> Mobile: 503.545.2110
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
>> *On
>> Behalf Of *Evan Plews
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 08, 2011 10:53 PM
>> *To:* Jim Fischer; OBRA
>> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Bounty on public urination at Cherry Pie
>>
>>
>>
>> Those who know me could imagine my initial reaction to Fish's
>> notification... "common sense" may be a more appropriate response. Since
>> "common sense" isn't so common among our gene pool anymore it begs to
>> question and we apparently have laws to imprison us even for natural
>> body
>> function... What about DURING the race?
>>
>> I would say that I have been in more OBRA races than not where
>> individuals
>> and often the whole field stopped for nature breaks. I don't recall any
>> government provided public restrooms being used but that is another
>> great
>> motivation for deficit spending.
>>
>> What is the penalty for peeing during a bike race? Warning, suspension,
>> charges pressed, lifetime sex-offender status or just capital punishment
>> from the nearest OBRA official?
>>
>> BTW are there any non-police states accepting applications for
>> residency?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Evan Plews
>>
>> www.evanplews.com
>>
>> 503-949-4879
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 22:45:28 +0000
>> From: james-fischer@comcast.net
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Bounty on public urination at Cherry Pie
>>
>>
>> Those who are not attending the Cherry Pie, read no further.
>>
>> Our new staging venue for CP is at Santiam Christian HS. They expressed
>> serious concern for littering and public urination. Last year, faculty
>> members and their children witnessed racers urinating in front yards
>> behind
>> Valley Catering. We almost lost the ability to use Adair for the event.
>> If
>> that happened, the race would go away. There are few other venues in the
>> Valley that will work with a race this large this time of year. Many
>> parks
>> are still closed.
>>
>> So, this year, we have a plan to encourage folks to be more diligent
>> about
>> this problem. There are 6 portable toilets available for your use,
>> located
>> in the main parking lot as well as near the start staging area.
>>
>> Anyone caught urinating in public will be immediately ejected from the
>> event. If you are caught by local law enforcement, expect a hefty
>> ticket.
>> I'm working with Adair City Hall to inform the locals about how to
>> handle
>> this behavior, which will basically include calling me or local law
>> enforcement...whichever works for them. I'll be asking for descriptions
>> including kit design, bib, vehicle license plate, bicycle
>> characteristics...you name it.
>>
>> With technology what it is, all you need to do is snap a pic/flick on
>> your
>> phone and text/e-mail it to me. 541.990.8979 or
>> james-fischer@comcast.net.
>> You don't even have to identify yourself if you don't want. Pictures
>> speak
>> for themselves.
>>
>> If you do wish to come forward, the BOUNTY for you helping to curtail
>> public urination is a free entry/refund. Catch somebody, show it to me,
>> and
>> you race for free. No questions asked.
>>
>> Please pick up any trash you see, regardless of who put it there. Let's
>> leave the venue cleaner than we find it!
>>
>> Thanks, and we'll see you on the 19th!
>>
>>
>> Jim Fischer
>> Heather Paris
>> Cherry Pie Road Race
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________ OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe:
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>
>
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> www.wenzelcoaching.com
>
> "The five S's of sports training are: stamina, speed, strength, skill, and
> spirit; but the greatest of these is spirit."
> *-Ken Doherty*
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David Hart

Peeing in a field out in the middle of nowhere is one thing, sometimes
expected (especially in stage race). Peeing on a building while spectators
are around (or not around)? That is just plain dumb.

On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Evan Plews wrote:

>
> You guys so quickly miss the point... but then again that is our society.
> Pretty soon we will all have to wear full body casts by law to protect
> ourselves from ourselves. Actually that should be an OBRA rule to prevent
> injury imminent to bike racing!
>
> Of course, I cannot fault any of you for not "reading" my disgust and
> sarcasm in email form. That all being said, my QUESTION is unanswered--I
> have been in a number of events where racing has been halted for peeing with
> no potty in sight.
>
> Whats the rule??? I have even seen officials stop their cars to wait for
> these heinous crimes or maybe they were just watching.
>
> It all seems like hypocrisy is all to me, but there I go again with the
> cynicism...
>
>
>
>
> Evan Plews
> www.evanplews.com
> 503-949-4879
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: Brady.Brady@jmp.com
> To: plewse@hotmail.com
> Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Bounty on public urination at Cherry Pie
> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 04:11:45 +0000
>
> My solution:
>
>
>
> 1) Identify whiney-gripeys pre-race
>
> 2) Soil kits during race
>
> 3) Mail soiled kit to whiney-gripeys after race
>
>
>
> Gratifying, if ineffective.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Brady Brady
>
> JMP Academics
>
> brady.brady@jmp.com
>
> Office: 919.531.9767
>
> Mobile: 503.545.2110
>
>
>
> *From:* obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Evan Plews
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 08, 2011 10:53 PM
> *To:* Jim Fischer; OBRA
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Bounty on public urination at Cherry Pie
>
>
>
> Those who know me could imagine my initial reaction to Fish's
> notification... "common sense" may be a more appropriate response. Since
> "common sense" isn't so common among our gene pool anymore it begs to
> question and we apparently have laws to imprison us even for natural body
> function... What about DURING the race?
>
> I would say that I have been in more OBRA races than not where individuals
> and often the whole field stopped for nature breaks. I don't recall any
> government provided public restrooms being used but that is another great
> motivation for deficit spending.
>
> What is the penalty for peeing during a bike race? Warning, suspension,
> charges pressed, lifetime sex-offender status or just capital punishment
> from the nearest OBRA official?
>
> BTW are there any non-police states accepting applications for residency?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Evan Plews
>
> www.evanplews.com
>
> 503-949-4879
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 22:45:28 +0000
> From: james-fischer@comcast.net
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Bounty on public urination at Cherry Pie
>
>
> Those who are not attending the Cherry Pie, read no further.
>
> Our new staging venue for CP is at Santiam Christian HS. They expressed
> serious concern for littering and public urination. Last year, faculty
> members and their children witnessed racers urinating in front yards behind
> Valley Catering. We almost lost the ability to use Adair for the event. If
> that happened, the race would go away. There are few other venues in the
> Valley that will work with a race this large this time of year. Many parks
> are still closed.
>
> So, this year, we have a plan to encourage folks to be more diligent about
> this problem. There are 6 portable toilets available for your use, located
> in the main parking lot as well as near the start staging area.
>
> Anyone caught urinating in public will be immediately ejected from the
> event. If you are caught by local law enforcement, expect a hefty ticket.
> I'm working with Adair City Hall to inform the locals about how to handle
> this behavior, which will basically include calling me or local law
> enforcement...whichever works for them. I'll be asking for descriptions
> including kit design, bib, vehicle license plate, bicycle
> characteristics...you name it.
>
> With technology what it is, all you need to do is snap a pic/flick on your
> phone and text/e-mail it to me. 541.990.8979 or james-fischer@comcast.net.
> You don't even have to identify yourself if you don't want. Pictures speak
> for themselves.
>
> If you do wish to come forward, the BOUNTY for you helping to curtail
> public urination is a free entry/refund. Catch somebody, show it to me, and
> you race for free. No questions asked.
>
> Please pick up any trash you see, regardless of who put it there. Let's
> leave the venue cleaner than we find it!
>
> Thanks, and we'll see you on the 19th!
>
>
> Jim Fischer
> Heather Paris
> Cherry Pie Road Race
>
>
> _______________________________________________ OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra Unsubscribe:
> obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
> _______________________________________________
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> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
>

--
David Hart
360.241.8463
www.wenzelcoaching.com

"The five S's of sports training are: stamina, speed, strength, skill, and
spirit; but the greatest of these is spirit."
*-Ken Doherty*

Evan Plews

You guys so quickly miss the point... but then again that is our society. Pretty soon we will all have to wear full body casts by law to protect ourselves from ourselves. Actually that should be an OBRA rule to prevent injury imminent to bike racing!

Of course, I cannot fault any of you for not "reading" my disgust and sarcasm in email form. That all being said, my QUESTION is unanswered--I have been in a number of events where racing has been halted for peeing with no potty in sight.

Whats the rule??? I have even seen officials stop their cars to wait for these heinous crimes or maybe they were just watching.

It all seems like hypocrisy is all to me, but there I go again with the cynicism...

Evan Plews
www.evanplews.com
503-949-4879

From: Brady.Brady@jmp.com
To: plewse@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Bounty on public urination at Cherry Pie
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 04:11:45 +0000

My solution:

1) Identify whiney-gripeys pre-race
2) Soil kits during race
3) Mail soiled kit to whiney-gripeys after race

Gratifying, if ineffective.

Brady Brady
JMP Academics
brady.brady@jmp.com
Office: 919.531.9767
Mobile: 503.545.2110

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Evan Plews
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 10:53 PM
To: Jim Fischer; OBRA
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Bounty on public urination at Cherry Pie

Those who know me could imagine my initial reaction to Fish's notification... "common sense" may be a more appropriate response. Since "common sense" isn't so common among our gene pool anymore it begs to question and we apparently have laws to imprison us even for natural body function... What about DURING the race?

I would say that I have been in more OBRA races than not where individuals and often the whole field stopped for nature breaks. I don't recall any government provided public restrooms being used but that is another great motivation for deficit spending.

What is the penalty for peeing during a bike race? Warning, suspension, charges pressed, lifetime sex-offender status or just capital punishment from the nearest OBRA official?

BTW are there any non-police states accepting applications for residency?

Thanks,

Evan Plews

www.evanplews.com

503-949-4879

Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 22:45:28 +0000
From: james-fischer@comcast.net
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Bounty on public urination at Cherry Pie

Those who are not attending the Cherry Pie, read no further.

Our new staging venue for CP is at Santiam Christian HS. They expressed serious concern for littering and public urination. Last year, faculty members and their children witnessed racers urinating in front yards behind Valley Catering. We almost lost the ability to use Adair for the event. If that happened, the race would go away. There are few other venues in the Valley that will work with a race this large this time of year. Many parks are still closed.

So, this year, we have a plan to encourage folks to be more diligent about this problem. There are 6 portable toilets available for your use, located in the main parking lot as well as near the start staging area.

Anyone caught urinating in public will be immediately ejected from the event. If you are caught by local law enforcement, expect a hefty ticket. I'm working with Adair City Hall to inform the locals about how to handle this behavior, which will basically include calling me or local law enforcement...whichever works for them. I'll be asking for descriptions including kit design, bib, vehicle license plate, bicycle characteristics...you name it.

With technology what it is, all you need to do is snap a pic/flick on your phone and text/e-mail it to me. 541.990.8979 or james-fischer@comcast.net. You don't even have to identify yourself if you don't want. Pictures speak for themselves.

If you do wish to come forward, the BOUNTY for you helping to curtail public urination is a free entry/refund. Catch somebody, show it to me, and you race for free. No questions asked.

Please pick up any trash you see, regardless of who put it there. Let's leave the venue cleaner than we find it!

Thanks, and we'll see you on the 19th!


Jim Fischer
Heather Paris
Cherry Pie Road Race

_______________________________________________ OBRA mailing list obra@list.obra.org http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org

Mike Rosenfeld

So you would rather risk a venue for your freedom to pee in public. Wheres
the common sense in that.

On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Evan Plews wrote:

> Those who know me could imagine my initial reaction to Fish's
> notification... "common sense" may be a more appropriate response. Since
> "common sense" isn't so common among our gene pool anymore it begs to
> question and we apparently have laws to imprison us even for natural body
> function... What about DURING the race?
>
> I would say that I have been in more OBRA races than not where individuals
> and often the whole field stopped for nature breaks. I don't recall any
> government provided public restrooms being used but that is another great
> motivation for deficit spending.
>
> What is the penalty for peeing during a bike race? Warning, suspension,
> charges pressed, lifetime sex-offender status or just capital punishment
> from the nearest OBRA official?
>
> BTW are there any non-police states accepting applications for residency?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Evan Plews
> www.evanplews.com
> 503-949-4879
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 22:45:28 +0000
> From: james-fischer@comcast.net
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Bounty on public urination at Cherry Pie
>
>
>
> Those who are not attending the Cherry Pie, read no further.
>
> Our new staging venue for CP is at Santiam Christian HS. They expressed
> serious concern for littering and public urination. Last year, faculty
> members and their children witnessed racers urinating in front yards behind
> Valley Catering. We almost lost the ability to use Adair for the event. If
> that happened, the race would go away. There are few other venues in the
> Valley that will work with a race this large this time of year. Many parks
> are still closed.
>
> So, this year, we have a plan to encourage folks to be more diligent about
> this problem. There are 6 portable toilets available for your use, located
> in the main parking lot as well as near the start staging area.
>
> Anyone caught urinating in public will be immediately ejected from the
> event. If you are caught by local law enforcement, expect a hefty ticket.
> I'm working with Adair City Hall to inform the locals about how to handle
> this behavior, which will basically include calling me or local law
> enforcement...whichever works for them. I'll be asking for descriptions
> including kit design, bib, vehicle license plate, bicycle
> characteristics...you name it.
>
> With technology what it is, all you need to do is snap a pic/flick on your
> phone and text/e-mail it to me. 541.990.8979 or james-fischer@comcast.net.
> You don't even have to identify yourself if you don't want. Pictures speak
> for themselves.
>
> If you do wish to come forward, the BOUNTY for you helping to curtail
> public urination is a free entry/refund. Catch somebody, show it to me, and
> you race for free. No questions asked.
>
> Please pick up any trash you see, regardless of who put it there. Let's
> leave the venue cleaner than we find it!
>
> Thanks, and we'll see you on the 19th!
>
>
> Jim Fischer
> Heather Paris
> Cherry Pie Road Race
>
> _______________________________________________ OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra Unsubscribe:
> obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
>

Evan Plews

Those who know me could imagine my initial reaction to Fish's notification... "common sense" may be a more appropriate response. Since "common sense" isn't so common among our gene pool anymore it begs to question and we apparently have laws to imprison us even for natural body function... What about DURING the race?

I would say that I have been in more OBRA races than not where individuals and often the whole field stopped for nature breaks. I don't recall any government provided public restrooms being used but that is another great motivation for deficit spending.

What is the penalty for peeing during a bike race? Warning, suspension, charges pressed, lifetime sex-offender status or just capital punishment from the nearest OBRA official?

BTW are there any non-police states accepting applications for residency?

Thanks,

Evan Plews
www.evanplews.com
503-949-4879

Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 22:45:28 +0000
From: james-fischer@comcast.net
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Bounty on public urination at Cherry Pie

Those who are not attending the Cherry Pie, read no further.

Our new staging venue for CP is at Santiam Christian HS. They expressed serious concern for littering and public urination. Last year, faculty members and their children witnessed racers urinating in front yards behind Valley Catering. We almost lost the ability to use Adair for the event. If that happened, the race would go away. There are few other venues in the Valley that will work with a race this large this time of year. Many parks are still closed.

So, this year, we have a plan to encourage folks to be more diligent about this problem. There are 6 portable toilets available for your use, located in the main parking lot as well as near the start staging area.

Anyone caught urinating in public will be immediately ejected from the event. If you are caught by local law enforcement, expect a hefty ticket. I'm working with Adair City Hall to inform the locals about how to handle this behavior, which will basically include calling me or local law enforcement...whichever works for them. I'll be asking for descriptions including kit design, bib, vehicle license plate, bicycle characteristics...you name it.

With technology what it is, all you need to do is snap a pic/flick on your phone and text/e-mail it to me. 541.990.8979 or james-fischer@comcast.net. You don't even have to identify yourself if you don't want. Pictures speak for themselves.

If you do wish to come forward, the BOUNTY for you helping to curtail public urination is a free entry/refund. Catch somebody, show it to me, and you race for free. No questions asked.

Please pick up any trash you see, regardless of who put it there. Let's leave the venue cleaner than we find it!

Thanks, and we'll see you on the 19th!


Jim Fischer
Heather Paris
Cherry Pie Road Race
_______________________________________________ OBRA mailing list obra@list.obra.org http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org

james-fischer@comcast.net

Those who are not attending the Cherry Pie, read no further.

Our new staging venue for CP is at Santiam Christian HS. They expressed serious concern for littering and public urination. Last year, faculty members and their children witnessed racers urinating in front yards behind Valley Catering. We almost lost the ability to use Adair for the event. If that happened, the race would go away. There are few other venues in the Valley that will work with a race this large this time of year. Many parks are still closed.

So, this year, we have a plan to encourage folks to be more diligent about this problem. There are 6 portable toilets available for your use, located in the main parking lot as well as near the start staging area.

Anyone caught urinating in public will be immediately ejected from the event. If you are caught by local law enforcement, expect a hefty ticket. I'm working with Adair City Hall to inform the locals about how to handle this behavior, which will basically include calling me or local law enforcement...whichever works for them. I'll be asking for descriptions including kit design, bib, vehicle license plate, bicycle characteristics...you name it.

With technology what it is, all you need to do is snap a pic/flick on your phone and text/e-mail it to me. 541.990.8979 or james-fischer@comcast.net. You don't even have to identify yourself if you don't want. Pictures speak for themselves.

If you do wish to come forward, the BOUNTY for you helping to curtail public urination is a free entry/refund. Catch somebody, show it to me, and you race for free. No questions asked.

Please pick up any trash you see, regardless of who put it there. Let's leave the venue cleaner than we find it!

Thanks, and we'll see you on the 19th!

Jim Fischer

Heather Paris

Cherry Pie Road Race