Rick Johnson

On 2/10/2011 1:45 PM, Brady Brady wrote:

There’s also a law (I swear) specifically prohibiting the
disposal of human waste from a vehicle.

That would be directed primarily at truck drivers. They often lack a
safe place to park large vehicles in order to access a restroom and
resort to using zip-loc bags or drink bottles. Evidence of their
random disposal can be found along any road in America and anyone
who's ever participated in an Adopt-a-Road cleanup will be aware of
this.

Rick Johnson

Bend, Oregon

Every revolutionary idea seems to evoke three stages of reaction...

One, it's completely impossible. 

Two, it's possible, but it's not worth doing. 

Three, I said it was a good idea all along.

Arthur C. Clarke

Brady Brady

Yeah, like I said... a crappily written statute.

Also learned something else yesterday as I was perusing the code: "When Children are Present" as it pertains to 20 mph school zones means "when children are present, and under certain circumstances, even when children are not present" !!!

Specifically, if adult crossing guards are posted, it's the same as if children actually are present-whether children are anywhere to be seen or not.

There's also a law (I swear) specifically prohibiting the disposal of human waste from a vehicle.

I wonder what other cool tidbits are out there? Maybe we should hold a contest to see who can find the silliest existing statute. The winner would be awarded, of course, one of those special pee bottles we've heard about recently.

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Gregg Magnus
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 12:49 PM
To: Jerry Powell; kevin97116@yahoo.com
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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] stop sign law changes?

So I was wrong, I went and found the ORS definition of stop and it does reference cessation of movement...so whoever posted that I am sorry you are correct. Here is the definition of "stop"

801.510 "Stop." "Stop" means the following:
(1) When required, it means the complete cessation from movement.
(2) When prohibited, it means any halting even momentarily of a vehicle, whether occupied or not, except when necessary to avoid conflict with other traffic, or in compliance with the directions of a police officer or traffic control device. [1983 c.338 §92]

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From: jpowell@spiritone.com
To: kevin97116@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:50:10 -0800
CC: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] stop sign law changes?

Has anyone noticed that there's nothing in ORS 811 or the cited sb660 that defines what a "stop" is? It would be nice to know. Noting that few cars actually stop rolling at a stop sign... even when there's traffic.

Jerry

On Feb 10, 2011, at 6:04 AM, Kevin wrote:

A lobbyist friend informed me that there has been some legislation proposed that would change the fine for cyclists that fail to stop at a stop sign. I haven't taken the time yet to see who's sponsoring it.

http://www.leg.state.or.us/11reg/measpdf/sb0600.dir/sb0660.intro.pdf

Kevin

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So I was wrong, I went and found the ORS definition of stop and it does reference cessation of movement...so whoever posted that I am sorry you are correct. Here is the definition of "stop"

801.510 “Stop.” “Stop” means the following:
(1) When required, it means the complete cessation from movement.
(2) When prohibited, it means any halting even momentarily of a vehicle, whether occupied or not, except when necessary to avoid conflict with other traffic, or in compliance with the directions of a police officer or traffic control device. [1983 c.338 §92]

From: jpowell@spiritone.com
To: kevin97116@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:50:10 -0800
CC: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] stop sign law changes?

Has anyone noticed that there's nothing in ORS 811 or the cited sb660 that defines what a "stop" is? It would be nice to know. Noting that few cars actually stop rolling at a stop sign... even when there's traffic.

Jerry

On Feb 10, 2011, at 6:04 AM, Kevin wrote:

A lobbyist friend informed me that there has been some legislation proposed that would change the fine for cyclists that fail to stop at a stop sign. I haven't taken the time yet to see who's sponsoring it.

http://www.leg.state.or.us/11reg/measpdf/sb0600.dir/sb0660.intro.pdf

Kevin

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Has anyone noticed that there's nothing in ORS 811 or the cited sb660
that defines what a "stop" is? It would be nice to know. Noting that
few cars actually stop rolling at a stop sign... even when there's
traffic.

Jerry

On Feb 10, 2011, at 6:04 AM, Kevin wrote:

> A lobbyist friend informed me that there has been some legislation
> proposed that would change the fine for cyclists that fail to stop
> at a stop sign. I haven't taken the time yet to see who's sponsoring
> it.
>
>
> http://www.leg.state.or.us/11reg/measpdf/sb0600.dir/sb0660.intro.pdf
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For more on that bill and another bill currently under consideration in Salem that would base traffic fines on the weight of the vehicle, see the story I published yesterday...

http://bit.ly/h4Ced7

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On Feb 10, 2011, at 6:04 AM, Kevin wrote:

> A lobbyist friend informed me that there has been some legislation proposed that would change the fine for cyclists that fail to stop at a stop sign. I haven't taken the time yet to see who's sponsoring it.
>
>
> http://www.leg.state.or.us/11reg/measpdf/sb0600.dir/sb0660.intro.pdf
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Kevin

A lobbyist friend informed me that there has been some legislation proposed that
would change the fine for cyclists that fail to stop at a stop sign. I haven't
taken the time yet to see who's sponsoring it.

http://www.leg.state.or.us/11reg/measpdf/sb0600.dir/sb0660.intro.pdf

Kevin