Mark J. Ginsberg

What Kevin said.

DCHOT is the current preferred model, Duck Cover Hold On Tight. some places
don't use the T.

safety people get all hot and bothers b/c they don't like the T of Life.

How about shoes next to your bed, b/c if/when the earthquake happens, glass will
be everywhere and you'll be wanting shoes to get around.

but if you want info Portland and other places have a ton. To Wit:
http://www.pdxprepared.net/72hour.php

Mark

Mark J. Ginsberg
Berkshire Ginsberg, LLC
Attorneys At Law
1216 SE Belmont St.
Portland, OR 97214
(503) 542-3000
Fax (503) 233-6874
markjginsberg@yahoo.com
www.bikesafetylaw.com

________________________________
From: Kevin
To: steve marcy ; obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 10:17:37 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Triangle of Life - quick read & worthy

Here's what Snopes says about this:

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/household/triangle.asp

________________________________
From: steve marcy
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 10:06:02 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Triangle of Life - quick read & worthy

This is great info and particularly good timing while the devastation of this
type of tragic event is fresh in our minds.

GREAT INFO. about protecting yourself in an earthquake!

EXTRACT FROM DOUG COPP'S ARTICLE ON THE: "TRIANGLE OF LIFE"

My name is Doug Copp. I am the Rescue Chief and Disaster Manager of the American
Rescue Team International (ARTI), the world's most experienced rescue team. The
information in this article will save lives in an earthquake.

I have crawled inside 875 collapsed buildings, worked with rescue teams from 60
countries, founded rescue teams in several countries, and I am a member of many
rescue teams from many countries...

I was the United Nations expert in Disaster Mitigation for two years.. I have
worked at every major disaster in the world since 1985, except for simultaneous
disasters.

The first building I ever crawled inside of was a school in Mexico City during
the 1985 earthquake. Every child was under its desk. Every child was crushed to
the thickness of their bones. They could have survived by lying down next to
their desks in the aisles. It was obscene, unnecessary and I wondered why the
children were not in the aisles. I didn't at the time know that the children
were told to hide under something.

Simply stated, when buildings collapse, the weight of the ceilings falling upon
the objects or furniture inside crushes these objects, leaving a space or void
next to them. This space is what I call the "triangle of life".

The larger the object, the stronger, the less it will compact. The less the
object compacts, the larger the void, the greater the probability that the
person who is using this void for safety will not be injured. The next time you
watch collapsed buildings, on television, count the "triangles" you see formed.
They are everywhere. It is the most common shape, you will see, in a collapsed
building.

TIPS FOR EARTHQUAKE SAFETY

1) Most everyone who simply "ducks and covers" WHEN BUILDINGS COLLAPSE are
crushed to death. People who get under objects, like desks or cars, are crushed.

2) Cats, dogs and babies often naturally curl up in the fetal position. You
should too in an earthquake... It is a natural safety/survival instinct. You can
survive in a smaller void. Get next to an object, next to a sofa, next to a
large bulky object that will compress slightly but leave a void next to it.

3) Wooden buildings are the safest type of construction to be in during an
earthquake. Wood is flexible and moves with the force of the earthquake. If the
wooden building does collapse, large survival voids are created.. Also, the
wooden building has less concentrated, crushing weight. Brick buildings will
break into individual bricks. Bricks will cause many injuries but less squashed
bodies than concrete slabs.

4) If you are in bed during the night and an earthquake occurs, simply roll off
the bed. A safe void will exist around the bed. Hotels can achieve a much
greater survival rate in earthquakes, simply by posting a sign on The back of
the door of every room telling occupants to lie down on the floor, next to the
bottom of the bed during an earthquake.

5) If an earthquake happens and you cannot easily escape by getting out the door
or window, then lie down and curl up in the fetal position next to a sofa, or
large chair.

6) Most everyone who gets under a doorway when buildings collapse is killed.
How? If you stand under a doorway and the doorjamb falls forward or backward you
will be crushed by the ceiling above. If the door jam falls sideways you will be
cut in half by the doorway. In either case, you will be killed!

7) Never go to the stairs. The stairs have a different "moment of frequency"
(they swing separately from the main part of the building). The stairs and
remainder of the building continuously bump into each other until structural
failure of the stairs takes place. The people who get on stairs before they fail
are chopped up by the stair treads - horribly mutilated. Even if the building
doesn't collapse, stay away from the stairs. The stairs are a likely part of the
building to be damaged. Even if the stairs are not collapsed by the earthquake,
they may collapse later when overloaded by fleeing people. They should always be
checked for safety, even when the rest of the building is not damaged.

8) Get Near the Outer Walls Of Buildings Or Outside Of Them If Possible - It is
much better to be near the outside of the building rather than the interior. The
farther inside you are from the outside perimeter of the building the greater
the probability that your escape route will be blocked.

9) People inside of their vehicles are crushed when the road above falls in an
earthquake and crushes their vehicles; which is exactly what happened with the
slabs between the decks of the Nimitz Freeway... The victims of the San
Francisco earthquake all stayed inside of their vehicles. They were all killed.
They could have easily survived by getting out and sitting or lying next to
their vehicles. Everyone killed would have survived if they had been able to get
out of their cars and sit or lie next to them. All the crushed cars had voids 3
feet high next to them, except for the cars that had columns fall directly
across them.

10) I discovered, while crawling inside of collapsed newspaper offices and other
offices with a lot of paper, that paper does not compact. Large voids are found
surrounding stacks of paper.

Spread the word and save someone's life... The Entire world is experiencing
natural calamities so be prepared!

"We are but angels with one wing, it takes two to fly".

In 1996 we made a film, which proved my survival methodology to be correct. The
Turkish Federal Government, City of Istanbul , University of Istanbul Case
Productions and ARTI cooperated to film this practical, scientific test. We
collapsed a school and a home with 20 mannequins inside. Ten mannequins did
"duck and cover," and ten mannequins I used in my "triangle of life" survival
method. After the simulated earthquake collapse we crawled through the rubble
and entered the building to film and document the results. The film, in which I
practiced my survival techniques under directly observable, scientific
conditions, relevant to building collapse, showed there would have been zero
percent survival for those doing duck and cover. There would likely have been
100 percent survivability for people using my method of the "triangle of life."
This film has been seen by millions of viewers on television in Turkey and the
rest of Europe, and it was seen in the USA, Canada and Latin America on the TV
program Real TV.

Marcy Commercial Real Estate
www.marcycre.com
steve@marcycre.com

Kevin

Here's what Snopes says about this:

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/household/triangle.asp

________________________________
From: steve marcy
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 10:06:02 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Triangle of Life - quick read & worthy

This is great info and particularly good timing while the devastation of this
type of tragic event is fresh in our minds.

GREAT INFO. about protecting yourself in an earthquake!

EXTRACT FROM DOUG COPP'S ARTICLE ON THE: "TRIANGLE OF LIFE"

My name is Doug Copp. I am the Rescue Chief and Disaster Manager of the American
Rescue Team International (ARTI), the world's most experienced rescue team. The
information in this article will save lives in an earthquake.

I have crawled inside 875 collapsed buildings, worked with rescue teams from 60
countries, founded rescue teams in several countries, and I am a member of many
rescue teams from many countries...

I was the United Nations expert in Disaster Mitigation for two years.. I have
worked at every major disaster in the world since 1985, except for simultaneous
disasters.

The first building I ever crawled inside of was a school in Mexico City during
the 1985 earthquake. Every child was under its desk. Every child was crushed to
the thickness of their bones. They could have survived by lying down next to
their desks in the aisles. It was obscene, unnecessary and I wondered why the
children were not in the aisles. I didn't at the time know that the children
were told to hide under something.

Simply stated, when buildings collapse, the weight of the ceilings falling upon
the objects or furniture inside crushes these objects, leaving a space or void
next to them. This space is what I call the "triangle of life".

The larger the object, the stronger, the less it will compact. The less the
object compacts, the larger the void, the greater the probability that the
person who is using this void for safety will not be injured. The next time you
watch collapsed buildings, on television, count the "triangles" you see formed.
They are everywhere. It is the most common shape, you will see, in a collapsed
building.

TIPS FOR EARTHQUAKE SAFETY

1) Most everyone who simply "ducks and covers" WHEN BUILDINGS COLLAPSE are
crushed to death. People who get under objects, like desks or cars, are crushed.

2) Cats, dogs and babies often naturally curl up in the fetal position. You
should too in an earthquake... It is a natural safety/survival instinct. You can
survive in a smaller void. Get next to an object, next to a sofa, next to a
large bulky object that will compress slightly but leave a void next to it.

3) Wooden buildings are the safest type of construction to be in during an
earthquake. Wood is flexible and moves with the force of the earthquake. If the
wooden building does collapse, large survival voids are created.. Also, the
wooden building has less concentrated, crushing weight. Brick buildings will
break into individual bricks. Bricks will cause many injuries but less squashed
bodies than concrete slabs.

4) If you are in bed during the night and an earthquake occurs, simply roll off
the bed. A safe void will exist around the bed. Hotels can achieve a much
greater survival rate in earthquakes, simply by posting a sign on The back of
the door of every room telling occupants to lie down on the floor, next to the
bottom of the bed during an earthquake.

5) If an earthquake happens and you cannot easily escape by getting out the door
or window, then lie down and curl up in the fetal position next to a sofa, or
large chair.

6) Most everyone who gets under a doorway when buildings collapse is killed.
How? If you stand under a doorway and the doorjamb falls forward or backward you
will be crushed by the ceiling above. If the door jam falls sideways you will be
cut in half by the doorway. In either case, you will be killed!

7) Never go to the stairs. The stairs have a different "moment of frequency"
(they swing separately from the main part of the building). The stairs and
remainder of the building continuously bump into each other until structural
failure of the stairs takes place. The people who get on stairs before they fail
are chopped up by the stair treads - horribly mutilated. Even if the building
doesn't collapse, stay away from the stairs. The stairs are a likely part of the
building to be damaged. Even if the stairs are not collapsed by the earthquake,
they may collapse later when overloaded by fleeing people. They should always be
checked for safety, even when the rest of the building is not damaged.

8) Get Near the Outer Walls Of Buildings Or Outside Of Them If Possible - It is
much better to be near the outside of the building rather than the interior. The
farther inside you are from the outside perimeter of the building the greater
the probability that your escape route will be blocked.

9) People inside of their vehicles are crushed when the road above falls in an
earthquake and crushes their vehicles; which is exactly what happened with the
slabs between the decks of the Nimitz Freeway... The victims of the San
Francisco earthquake all stayed inside of their vehicles. They were all killed.
They could have easily survived by getting out and sitting or lying next to
their vehicles. Everyone killed would have survived if they had been able to get
out of their cars and sit or lie next to them. All the crushed cars had voids 3
feet high next to them, except for the cars that had columns fall directly
across them.

10) I discovered, while crawling inside of collapsed newspaper offices and other
offices with a lot of paper, that paper does not compact. Large voids are found
surrounding stacks of paper.

Spread the word and save someone's life... The Entire world is experiencing
natural calamities so be prepared!

"We are but angels with one wing, it takes two to fly".

In 1996 we made a film, which proved my survival methodology to be correct. The
Turkish Federal Government, City of Istanbul , University of Istanbul Case
Productions and ARTI cooperated to film this practical, scientific test. We
collapsed a school and a home with 20 mannequins inside. Ten mannequins did
"duck and cover," and ten mannequins I used in my "triangle of life" survival
method. After the simulated earthquake collapse we crawled through the rubble
and entered the building to film and document the results. The film, in which I
practiced my survival techniques under directly observable, scientific
conditions, relevant to building collapse, showed there would have been zero
percent survival for those doing duck and cover. There would likely have been
100 percent survivability for people using my method of the "triangle of life."
This film has been seen by millions of viewers on television in Turkey and the
rest of Europe, and it was seen in the USA, Canada and Latin America on the TV
program Real TV.

Marcy Commercial Real Estate
www.marcycre.com
steve@marcycre.com

steve marcy

*This is great info and particularly good timing while the devastation of
this type of tragic event is fresh in our minds.*

GREAT INFO. about protecting yourself in an earthquake!

EXTRACT FROM DOUG COPP'S ARTICLE ON THE: "TRIANGLE OF LIFE"

My name is Doug Copp. I am the Rescue Chief and Disaster Manager of the
American Rescue Team International (ARTI), the world's most experienced
rescue team. The information in this article will save lives in an
earthquake.

I have crawled inside 875 collapsed buildings, worked with rescue teams from
60 countries, founded rescue teams in several countries, and I am a member
of many rescue teams from many countries...

I was the United Nations expert in Disaster Mitigation for two years.. I
have worked at every major disaster in the world since 1985, except for
simultaneous disasters.

The first building I ever crawled inside of was a school in Mexico City
during the 1985 earthquake. Every child was under its desk. Every child was
crushed to the thickness of their bones. They could have survived by lying
down next to their desks in the aisles. It was obscene, unnecessary and I
wondered why the children were not in the aisles. I didn't at the time know
that the children were told to hide under something.

Simply stated, when buildings collapse, the weight of the ceilings falling
upon the objects or furniture inside crushes these objects, leaving a space
or void next to them. This space is what I call the "triangle of life".

The larger the object, the stronger, the less it will compact. The less the
object compacts, the larger the void, the greater the probability that the
person who is using this void for safety will not be injured. The next time
you watch collapsed buildings, on television, count the "triangles" you see
formed. They are everywhere. It is the most common shape, you will see, in a
collapsed building.

TIPS FOR EARTHQUAKE SAFETY

1) Most everyone who simply "ducks and covers" WHEN BUILDINGS COLLAPSE are
crushed to death. People who get under objects, like desks or cars, are
crushed.

2) Cats, dogs and babies often naturally curl up in the fetal position. You
should too in an earthquake... It is a natural safety/survival instinct. You
can survive in a smaller void. Get next to an object, next to a sofa, next
to a large bulky object that will compress slightly but leave a void next to
it.

3) Wooden buildings are the safest type of construction to be in during an
earthquake. Wood is flexible and moves with the force of the earthquake. If
the wooden building does collapse, large survival voids are created.. Also,
the wooden building has less concentrated, crushing weight. Brick buildings
will break into individual bricks. Bricks will cause many injuries but less
squashed bodies than concrete slabs.

4) If you are in bed during the night and an earthquake occurs, simply roll
off the bed. A safe void will exist around the bed. Hotels can achieve a
much greater survival rate in earthquakes, simply by posting a sign on The
back of the door of every room telling occupants to lie down on the floor,
next to the bottom of the bed during an earthquake.

5) If an earthquake happens and you cannot easily escape by getting out the
door or window, then lie down and curl up in the fetal position next to a
sofa, or large chair.

6) Most everyone who gets under a doorway when buildings collapse is killed.
How? If you stand under a doorway and the doorjamb falls forward or backward
you will be crushed by the ceiling above. If the door jam falls sideways you
will be cut in half by the doorway. In either case, you will be killed!

7) Never go to the stairs. The stairs have a different "moment of frequency"
(they swing separately from the main part of the building). The stairs and
remainder of the building continuously bump into each other until structural
failure of the stairs takes place. The people who get on stairs before they
fail are chopped up by the stair treads - horribly mutilated. Even if the
building doesn't collapse, stay away from the stairs. The stairs are a
likely part of the building to be damaged. Even if the stairs are not
collapsed by the earthquake, they may collapse later when overloaded by
fleeing people. They should always be checked for safety, even when the rest
of the building is not damaged.

8) Get Near the Outer Walls Of Buildings Or Outside Of Them If Possible - It
is much better to be near the outside of the building rather than the
interior. The farther inside you are from the outside perimeter of the
building the greater the probability that your escape route will be blocked.

9) People inside of their vehicles are crushed when the road above falls in
an earthquake and crushes their vehicles; which is exactly what happened
with the slabs between the decks of the Nimitz Freeway... The victims of the
San Francisco earthquake all stayed inside of their vehicles. They were all
killed. They could have easily survived by getting out and sitting or lying
next to their vehicles. Everyone killed would have survived if they had been
able to get out of their cars and sit or lie next to them. All the crushed
cars had voids 3 feet high next to them, except for the cars that had
columns fall directly across them.

10) I discovered, while crawling inside of collapsed newspaper offices and
other offices with a lot of paper, that paper does not compact. Large voids
are found surrounding stacks of paper.

Spread the word and save someone's life... The Entire world is experiencing
natural calamities so be prepared!

"We are but angels with one wing, it takes two to fly".

In 1996 we made a film, which proved my survival methodology to be correct.
The Turkish Federal Government, City of Istanbul , University of Istanbul
Case Productions and ARTI cooperated to film this practical, scientific
test. We collapsed a school and a home with 20 mannequins inside. Ten
mannequins did "duck and cover," and ten mannequins I used in my "triangle
of life" survival method. After the simulated earthquake collapse we crawled
through the rubble and entered the building to film and document the
results. The film, in which I practiced my survival techniques under
directly observable, scientific conditions, relevant to building collapse,
showed there would have been zero percent survival for those doing duck and
cover. There would likely have been 100 percent survivability for people
using my method of the "triangle of life." This film has been seen by
millions of viewers on television in Turkey and the rest of Europe, and it
was seen in the USA, Canada and Latin America on the TV program Real TV.

Marcy Commercial Real Estate
www.marcycre.com
steve@marcycre.com