Ian Leitheiser

On Mar 22, 2011, at 12:00 PM, obra-request@list.obra.org wrote:

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> 1. WTB: black sram left hood & black specialized toupe/ruby
> saddle (Anona Whitley)
> 2. Spring Brake SuperD Photos (Dave Roth)
> 3. Found! black sram left hood! (Anona Whitley)
> 4. Re: i need custom footbeds (rambobikeman@frontier.com)
> 5. FS: 2010 Large Giant TCR Advanced SL Frameset-- $1500 (Jim Allen)
> 6. Re: Bicycling related massage therapist (Leland Jossy)
> 7. WTB: Speedplay Frog Pedals (Ian Mastenbrook)
> 8. Bike Related Stuff FOR SALE... and some not so related. (John Kim)
> 9. Oregon Bicycle Racing Association (OBRA) is now providing
> scholarships to Junior/U23 development camp (Jim Anderson)
> 10. Land Shark frame, Campy shamal, Sugino 75s, aaand a canti
> brakeset (Kevin Phomma)
> 11. FS: Reynolds Assault Wheelset (Jim Miller)
> 12. Redefining what a "mechanical" is in a crit (Ty Mangum)
> 13. Re: Redefining what a "mechanical" is in a crit (Tim Schauer)
> 14. Re: Redefining what a "mechanical" is in a crit (Candi Murray)
> 15. Re: Redefining what a "mechanical" is in a crit (Mike Murray)
> 16. Re: Redefining what a "mechanical" is in a crit (Kevin)
> 17. Re: Redefining what a "mechanical" is in a crit (Rick Johnson)
> 18. Re: Redefining what a "mechanical" is in a crit (Mark J. Ginsberg)
> 19. Re: Redefining what a "mechanical" is in a crit (Tyler Mangum)
> 20. Re: Redefining what a "mechanical" is in a crit (Erik Anderson)
> 21. Re: Redefining what a "mechanical" is in a crit (Mike Murray)
> 22. Re: Redefining what a "mechanical" is in a crit (Mark J. Ginsberg)
> 23. Rivercity Oregon XC Custom Store (Mike Ripley)
> 24. Renn Disc for sale (Dan Silvernail)
> 25. Re: Redefining what a "mechanical" is in a crit (eric aldinger)
> 26. wtb: Sram 10-speed shifters (Travis Wilson)
> 27. WTB: Square Taper Cranks (Brian Gerow)
> 28. OT: Banner maker (Lisa Winchester)
> 29. FS: Kona Kula Primo, 18" XT, King, Mavic (Jon)
> 30. 2010 Ridley Compact frameset (Erik Fabrizius)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 13:54:05 -0700
> From: Anona Whitley
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] WTB: black sram left hood & black specialized
> toupe/ruby saddle
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> Hi!
>
> I'm wondering if anyone has an extra SRAM left brake lever hood in black? It doesn't have to be in perfect condition, just not totally ripped.
>
> Also, though I think it's a long shot b/c these saddle feel sooo nice, I'm looking for a Specialized saddle of the ruby or toupe variety, the medium width (143mm) in black.
>
> Let me know how much $ you want for either! Thanks!!
>
> Anona
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 14:13:28 -0700
> From: Dave Roth
> To: OBRA Email List
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Spring Brake SuperD Photos
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> I took a few pictures of the first Spring Brake SuperD race on Sunday. I've posted a few of them on my site.
>
> Check them out here:
> http://dmroth.com/cycling/super_d_11_1/index.html
>
> You have my permission to repost any of these pictures on your blogs/Facebooks/Twitters/web sites. All I ask is that you give me some photo credit and a link back to my site (http://dmroth.com/cycling.html). Larger versions are available if anyone wants them for printing.
>
> See you next time,
> Dave Roth
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> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 14:17:57 -0700
> From: Anona Whitley
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Found! black sram left hood!
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> Thanks for the quick replies! I've got a hood.
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 22:01:32 +0000 (UTC)
> From: rambobikeman@frontier.com
> To: johnfforbes@comcast.net
> Cc: obra
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] i need custom footbeds
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> The Bike Gallery is the local outlet for CycleSoles footbeds in Portland at their Beaverton and Hollywood stores.
>
> --
> Aaron "Rambo" Harrison
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> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] i need custom footbeds
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> Cyclesoles in Bend. The best their is. Scott and Melody Peterson are the owners. If you can't find a listing shoot me an email and I will get contact info.
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> From: Andrew Reed
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> Sent: Mon, Mar 21, 2011 18:18:06 GMT+00:00
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] i need custom footbeds
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> any recommendations?
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 15:14:40 -0700
> From: Jim Allen
> To: obra
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: 2010 Large Giant TCR Advanced SL Frameset--
> $1500
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> For sale:
>
> 2010 Large Giant TCR Advanced SL frameset in excellent condition. Seat
> mast cut to 74 cm from BB to saddle rail. Another 4 cm of height is
> possible with spacers. Includes headset and 2 ISP clamps.
>
>
> Details:
> http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-US/bikes/model/tcr.advanced.sl.isp/3871/37112/
>
> Feel free to contact me with questions.
>
> Thanks!
> Jim
> 503-316-3540
> jimallen@gmail.com
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 16:07:23 -0700
> From: Leland Jossy
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Bicycling related massage therapist
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> Dana Golden does a great job and has a good understanding of sports and deep
> tissue massage. Her number is 541-951-6189
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> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 16:10:38 -0700
> From: Ian Mastenbrook
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] WTB: Speedplay Frog Pedals
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> Looking for a couple pairs of used but well functioning stainless Speedplay
> Frog pedals preferably with cleats near Portland.
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> Thanks
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> *-Ian Mastenbrook*
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 16:15:18 -0700
> From: John Kim
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Bike Related Stuff FOR SALE... and some not so
> related.
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> *2009 Fuji Track Pro s/ ISM including Headset, Bottom Bracket and Cranks -
> $650.00*
> -54cm A6 Quaternary Phase Alloy, beautifully formed tubes
> -FC-770 Fuji Track Specific Carbon Straight blade fork, 35 degree offset,
> Aluminum steerer
> -Cane Creek IS-8 Carbon Headset, extra carbon spacers
> -Shimano Dura-Ace 7710 Track Cranks, 165mm
> -Shimano XTR UN-91 Splined V1 Bottom Bracket
>
> The frame's top tube is 54cm ctc, seat tube is 49cm ctc, seat tube + seat
> mast is 64cm ctt, seat tube + seat mast + saddle rail mount is 68cm ctt. Can
> be cut to be shorter.
> Steerer Tube has 7.5"/19cm left.
> Bike was ridden for 2 seasons and shows appropriate wear. Never crashed,
> never dropped, and never ridden in rain except for the occasional(maybe all
> too frequent) FTF mid-race rain cancellation. =P
> XTR BB gives the appropriate spacing for the crankset to clear the massively
> flat and wide chainstays.
> Cane creek headset is practically new. Just the stuff you need to get your
> race on in May, which is BTW, only 46 days away!
>
> *24" Rhyno Lite DH rim laced 32 spoke to XT FH-M755 ISO Disc Hub - $40*
> -Includes used Nokian Gazzaloddi Jr. tire 24" x 2.6"
> *
> *
> *Yakima Rack Fairing - $20.00*
> -Most of the mounting hardware included
>
> *More Stuff*
> ITM Lite Luxe OS 31.8, 39cm ctc, light overclamping - *$FREE*
> Dainese Knee Guards - *$20.00*
> Freeman Transport Double Leather Straps - *$35*
> Vittoria Diamante Pro Tires, 95% New - *$20.00 each* (3 available)
> GIANT brand Cruiser Saddle, 270mm x 160mm, little scuff - *$5.00*
> Tange Chrome Cromoly threadless 700c fork, canti bosses, 7.125"/18mm steerer
> left - *$20.00*
> Shimano 18t Freewheel Singlespeed Cog, 1/8" -* $5.00*
> ACS Claws BMX Freewheel Singlespeed Cog, 3/32" NEW -* $15.00*
> SOMA Fabrications Chrome CNC'd Track Cog 22T, 3/32" - *$5.00*
> Generic 50T polished aluminum chainring, 110bcd, 3/32" - *$FREE*
> FSA 36T inner chainring for road crank, 110bcd, 3/32" - *$5.00*
> Truvativ GigaPipe BB, 68x118 ISIS BB-03-GPSL -* $5.00*
> FSA Platinum BB ISIS 68x108 V3-0593 Well Used, Missing non-drive cup - *
> $FREE*
> *
> *
> *OTFS:*
> Bridgestone RE92, 215/45/17, 2 tires, 35% tread -* $30.00*
> Stanton T.90 USB Turntable -* $180.00*
> Infinity 6002i Reference Series Speakers, NEW -*$40.00*
> *
> *
> *All pictures available here*:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/30825042@N04/sets/72157626005042191/
>
> THANKS OBRA!!!
> -John
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 16:58:00 -0700
> From: Jim Anderson
> To: "obra@list.obra.org" ,
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Oregon Bicycle Racing Association (OBRA) is now
> providing scholarships to Junior/U23 development camp
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> Please Note: Registration is now open. See below for details.
>
>
> USA Cycling 2011 Northwest Athlete Development Camp
> July 25-29, 2010 - Forest Grove, Oregon
> Www.nwcyclingcamp.com
>
>
> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association (OBRA) is now providing scholarships to
> development camp:
>
> OBRA is giving 8 riders partial fee support available for camp (contact
> Kenji Sugahara kenji@obra.org OBRA Executive Director). The financial
> support is for the USA Cycling 2011 Northwest Athlete Development Camp ?
> July 25-29, 2010 - Forest Grove, Oregon. Open to any rider age 14-22
> (chronological age/not racing age) who resides in the state of Oregon
> (Vancouver, WA residents please inquire). All riders need to be have current
> USA Cycling license.
>
> The camp will consist of unique opportunities for younger riders to learn
> the fundamentals of bike racing. Basic bike and training skills, nutrition,
> basic bike mechanics, and nutrition will be amongst the instruction topics.
> There will be several presentations that will give the riders a well-rounded
> view of bicycle racing, like racing as a junior/U23 internationally, track
> racing and other disciplines of the sport.
>
> The 8 riders will be selected by the OBRA Scholarship Committee. There are
> discounts if you register before certain dates and if you register with
> other teammates. See registration details.
>
> Steps to apply for the OBRA partial fee support for the camp:
> Step #1: email kenji@obra.org with a subject line of: OBRA Scholarship. In
> a very clearly and concisely written email include contact information phone
> and address, current GPA if in school, name of school and any other specific
> details.
>
> Step #2: You will be contacted by May 1, 2011 regarding if you were
> selected.
>
> Step #3: You will need to register through www.usacycling.org. You will
> need to email confirmation/receipt to kenji@obra.org that you have
> registered before your scholarship money is sent.
>
> Please Note: If you are considered a "non-automatic qualifying rider" please
> get a hold of Jim Anderson, NW Camp Manager, info@nwcyclingcamp.com
>
> Additional support:
> Addition financial aid is available through the USA Cycling Development
> Foundation Travel and Training Grants program
> http://www.usacdf.org/dfstory.php?id=3252
>
>
> Need more info about the camp:
> USA Cycling 2011 Northwest Athlete Development Camp
> JIM ANDERSON
> 503-975-8229
> info@nwcyclingcamp.com
> WWW.NWCYCLINGCAMP.COM
>
>
> Need info about the OBRA Scholarship:
> Kenji Sugahara
> kenji@obra.org
>
>
> USA Cycling Camp Registration Page:
> http://usacycling.org/news/user/story.php?id=809
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:00:02 -0700
> From: Kevin Phomma
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Land Shark frame, Campy shamal, Sugino 75s, aaand
> a canti brakeset
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> Land Shark pursuit frame 53cm $460
> http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/2278590109.html
> Campy Shamal 650c $200
> http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/2278619830.html
> Sugino 75 165mm $120
> http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/2278650321.html
> Tektro Cantilever brakes
> http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/2278714639.html
>
> Help fund me into a road bike!
>
> - Kevin
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> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 18:49:22 -0700
> From: Jim Miller
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: Reynolds Assault Wheelset
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> FS: Reynolds Assault carbon clincher wheelset. Light and bomber. Like new. Under 1000 miles. New frame coming so something must go. Includes newer conti 4000 tires, but no skewers. $1400 is retail. OBRA priced at $750.
>
> Jim Miller
> 503-545-9909
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> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 19:46:53 -0700
> From: Ty Mangum
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Redefining what a "mechanical" is in a crit
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> Disclaimer, this is in no way an insult/jab at the officials of this weekend.
>
> I recently competed in the Capitol Crit racing Collegiate, and at minute 30 of 60 I had a "mechanical." Simply put, my chain came off the top pulley of my RD after hitting a bump in the course, and I couldn't pedal or shift properly. I came to a stop in the pit while still with the group, told the officials what happend, showed them why I couldn't race like this (lifted up the rear wheel, tried to shift etc...) manually put the chain back on with my hands, and then was told I "better get to chasing" because I wouldn't be awarded a free lap. I was shocked at first, thought I could argue later on that I shouldn't be a lap down (the incident happened again and I realized I had no further argument), but I thought that it was a TERRIBLE rule that you either have to have a flat or crash to be rewarded a free lap.
> Is it time that we reward free laps for mechanicals OTHER THAN flats and crashes? Where should we draw the line? I am clearly biased in that my results were skewed from the incident, but after asking teammates and witnesses that were there, they were also shocked that I didn't get 1 free lap. What would have been the harm in giving me one extra from an obvious mechanical issue that needed to be fixed?
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 20:13:41 -0700
> From: Tim Schauer
> To: Ty Mangum
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Redefining what a "mechanical" is in a crit
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> Mechanical "Free Laps" are reserved for bike problems outside your control.
> The condition in which you maintain your bike is within your control.
>
> Also it has been alleged that riders have actually fained random mechanical
> shifting problems or loose seat post clamp, etc to gain the advantage of
> sitting out a lap or two mid race.....
>
> if the race you are in didn't cause problem with your bike then the race
> doesn't owe you a free lap.
>
> That's racing.....
>
> Tim Schauer
>
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Ty Mangum wrote:
>
>> Disclaimer, this is in no way an insult/jab at the officials of this
>> weekend.
>>
>> I recently competed in the Capitol Crit racing Collegiate, and at minute 30
>> of 60 I had a "mechanical." Simply put, my chain came off the top pulley of
>> my RD after hitting a bump in the course, and I couldn't pedal or shift
>> properly. I came to a stop in the pit while still with the group, told the
>> officials what happend, showed them why I couldn't race like this (lifted up
>> the rear wheel, tried to shift etc...) manually put the chain back on with
>> my hands, and then was told I "better get to chasing" because I wouldn't be
>> awarded a free lap. I was shocked at first, thought I could argue later on
>> that I shouldn't be a lap down (the incident happened again and I realized I
>> had no further argument), but I thought that it was a TERRIBLE rule that you
>> either have to have a flat or crash to be rewarded a free lap.
>> Is it time that we reward free laps for mechanicals OTHER THAN flats and
>> crashes? Where should we draw the line? I am clearly biased in that my
>> results were skewed from the incident, but after asking teammates and
>> witnesses that were there, they were also shocked that I didn't get 1 free
>> lap. What would have been the harm in giving me one extra from an obvious
>> mechanical issue that needed to be fixed?
>> _______________________________________________
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> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 22:24:22 -0700
> From: "Candi Murray"
> To: "'Ty Mangum'" ,
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Redefining what a "mechanical" is in a crit
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> Ty
> Respectfully, you should read the rule book, it is posted on the OBRA site.
> Here are the pertinent ones regarding free laps
>
> 15.4.6 Free laps
>
> Free laps may be granted for mishaps as follows:
>
> A. If the race announcement states that the free lap rule is not in effect,
> no free laps will be given.
>
> B. No free laps will be granted during the last 8 km. of a race. A rider
> having a mishap during the last 8 km. must make up any distance lost.
>
> C. In case of a mishap, the rider(s) will report to a pit with his bicycle.
> Riders may not ride backward on the course to get to a pit, but may cut
> through the course to reach a pit. A rider my proceed backwards to the pit
> carrying his bicycle.
>
> D. A referee will inspect the bicycle and rider to determine if the mishap
> was legitimate. The pit referee will inform the Chief Judge and Chief
> Referee of all free lap decisions as soon as possible
>
> E. Normally a rider must return to the race within one lap. In case of a
> very short course (generally under 1 kilometer) the Chief Referee may allow
> two laps per mishap.
>
> F. If the mishap was legitimate the rider will be returned to the place he
> was in the race at the time of the mishap. If he was in a group he will be
> returned to the rear of that group. The rider will be ineligible for any
> sprint prize for one lap after his return.
>
> G. A rider is entitled to one free lap per mishap
>
>
>
> 2.11 Mishap
>
> A crash, puncture, or failure of an essential part of the bicycle. Problems
> caused by inadequate preparation or failure to adequately tighten or fasten
> components to the bicycle are not mishaps.
>
>
>> From your recount of the circumstances, everything was done properly.
>
> Candi
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Ty Mangum
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 7:47 PM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Redefining what a "mechanical" is in a crit
>
>
>
> Disclaimer, this is in no way an insult/jab at the officials of this
> weekend.
>
> I recently competed in the Capitol Crit racing Collegiate, and at minute 30
> of 60 I had a "mechanical." Simply put, my chain came off the top pulley of
> my RD after hitting a bump in the course, and I couldn't pedal or shift
> properly. I came to a stop in the pit while still with the group, told the
> officials what happend, showed them why I couldn't race like this (lifted up
> the rear wheel, tried to shift etc...) manually put the chain back on with
> my hands, and then was told I "better get to chasing" because I wouldn't be
> awarded a free lap. I was shocked at first, thought I could argue later on
> that I shouldn't be a lap down (the incident happened again and I realized I
> had no further argument), but I thought that it was a TERRIBLE rule that you
> either have to have a flat or crash to be rewarded a free lap.
> Is it time that we reward free laps for mechanicals OTHER THAN flats and
> crashes? Where should we draw the line? I am clearly biased in that my
> results were skewed from the incident, but after asking teammates and
> witnesses that were there, they were also shocked that I didn't get 1 free
> lap. What would have been the harm in giving me one extra from an obvious
> mechanical issue that needed to be fixed?
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> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 05:30:40 +0000
> From: "Mike Murray"
> To: "remailer, OBRA"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Redefining what a "mechanical" is in a crit
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> A mechanical is a crash or breaking of an essential part of the bike. If the part is not essential (e. g. water bottle cage) or the part malfunctions but does not break then it is not a mechanical. I guess having a part not work or malfunction is more of an "organizational". When you get too tired to hang on then that is a "biological". The standard internationally is what it is currently. Anyone could propose that the OBRA rules be changed to give a free lap for anything you want but I would hope that the proposal would not pass.
>
> I have to point out that in a road, cross or mtn bike race when you flat or crash you have to catch up on your own and there is no free lap equivalent. Crit and track racers are wimpy that way.
> Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ty Mangum
> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 19:46:53
> To:
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Redefining what a "mechanical" is in a crit
>
> Disclaimer, this is in no way an insult/jab at the officials of this weekend.
>
> I recently competed in the Capitol Crit racing Collegiate, and at minute 30 of 60 I had a "mechanical." Simply put, my chain came off the top pulley of my RD after hitting a bump in the course, and I couldn't pedal or shift properly. I came to a stop in the pit while still with the group, told the officials what happend, showed them why I couldn't race like this (lifted up the rear wheel, tried to shift etc...) manually put the chain back on with my hands, and then was told I "better get to chasing" because I wouldn't be awarded a free lap. I was shocked at first, thought I could argue later on that I shouldn't be a lap down (the incident happened again and I realized I had no further argument), but I thought that it was a TERRIBLE rule that you either have to have a flat or crash to be rewarded a free lap.
> Is it time that we reward free laps for mechanicals OTHER THAN flats and crashes? Where should we draw the line? I am clearly biased in that my results were skewed from the incident, but after asking teammates and witnesses that were there, they were also shocked that I didn't get 1 free lap. What would have been the harm in giving me one extra from an obvious mechanical issue that needed to be fixed?
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> Message: 16
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 22:35:16 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Kevin
> To: mike.murray@obra.org
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Redefining what a "mechanical" is in a crit
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>
> Oh be careful there Mike, pretty soon all those folks who race ultras will be
> calling folks who race anything under 500 miles wimpy! ;-)
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Mike Murray
> To: "remailer, OBRA"
> Sent: Mon, March 21, 2011 10:30:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Redefining what a "mechanical" is in a crit
>
> (snip)
>
> I have to point out that in a road, cross or mtn bike race when you flat or
> crash you have to catch up on your own and there is no free lap equivalent. Crit
> and track racers are wimpy that way.
>
> Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 22:37:20 -0700
> From: Rick Johnson
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Redefining what a "mechanical" is in a crit
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>> Crit and track racers are wimpy that way.
>
> Love that one Mike!
> :-D
>
> Rick Johnson
> Bend Oregon
>
>
>
>
> On 3/21/2011 10:30 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
>> Crit and track racers are wimpy that way.
>
>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 22:39:16 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "Mark J. Ginsberg"
> To: Ty Mangum , obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Redefining what a "mechanical" is in a crit
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> well,
>
> 1. what Candi said, rtfm
>
> 2. that's why crit racers all know when a crash happens if you are stuck behind
> it you don't just put a foot down, you fall down too, then get up go to pit,
> take your free lap and jump back in. now you know, but let's keep it our secret,
> i hope no one else is reading this.
>
> 3. thank the officials for not DQ'ing you for being mean to them in the heat of
> passion during the race. I once saw a racer ejected from the velodrome for
> cursing. I also once saw a racer arrested for yelling and threatening a
> promoter, but that was back east and it was the 198o's so that doesn't count.
>
>
> Mark J. Ginsberg
> Berkshire Ginsberg, LLC
> Attorneys At Law
> 1216 SE Belmont St.
> Portland, OR 97214
> (503) 542-3000
> Fax (503) 233-6874
> markjginsberg@yahoo.com
> www.bikesafetylaw.com
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ty Mangum
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Mon, March 21, 2011 7:46:53 PM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Redefining what a "mechanical" is in a crit
>
> Disclaimer, this is in no way an insult/jab at the officials of this weekend.
>
> I recently competed in the Capitol Crit racing Collegiate, and at minute 30 of
> 60 I had a "mechanical." Simply put, my chain came off the top pulley of my RD
> after hitting a bump in the course, and I couldn't pedal or shift properly. I
> came to a stop in the pit while still with the group, told the officials what
> happend, showed them why I couldn't race like this (lifted up the rear wheel,
> tried to shift etc...) manually put the chain back on with my hands, and then
> was told I "better get to chasing" because I wouldn't be awarded a free lap. I
> was shocked at first, thought I could argue later on that I shouldn't be a lap
> down (the incident happened again and I realized I had no further argument), but
> I thought that it was a TERRIBLE rule that you either have to have a flat or
> crash to be rewarded a free lap.
>
> Is it time that we reward free laps for mechanicals OTHER THAN flats and
> crashes? Where should we draw the line? I am clearly biased in that my results
> were skewed from the incident, but after asking teammates and witnesses that
> were there, they were also shocked that I didn't get 1 free lap. What would have
> been the harm in giving me one extra from an obvious mechanical issue that
> needed to be fixed?
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> Message: 19
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 22:42:22 -0700
> From: Tyler Mangum
> To: cmurray@obra.org
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Redefining what a "mechanical" is in a crit
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> Candi,
>
> Thanks for responding.
>
> To clarify, in this circumstance, I didn't think the problem was caused by
> inadequate preparation or failure of maintenance on my part. The issue
> happened after a clear sudden jolt on the race course to the bike which
> knocked the chain off the pulley without any previous issues. Nothing I
> would have done before the race could have prevented it, and it didn't
> happen until halfway through. I understand the OBRA rules, although it was a
> USAC race for collegiate, however it felt like a legitimate mechanical
> (clearly debatable) that is not covered under the rules. I did respect the
> decisions of the officials, but at the same time it just felt like a
> terrible way to end someones race for a mistake that was out of my control
> (as a flat tire or crash would be). I would even argue that a crash is more
> controllable to what happened to the rear derailleur, especially more than
> just "falling down" because you're behind a crash.
>
> Again, I understand the rules, and that so many have already pointed out
> that my "mechanical" is not justified by a free lap, but at the same time I
> think it should have been. I also realize I am fully biased in my
> statements, and that this point is clearly debatable from both sides.
>
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Candi Murray wrote:
>
>> Ty
>> Respectfully, you should read the rule book, it is posted on the OBRA
>> site. Here are the pertinent ones regarding free laps
>>
>> *
>>
>> 15.4.6 Free laps
>> *
>>
>> Free laps may be granted for mishaps as follows:
>>
>> A. If the race announcement states that the free lap rule is not in effect,
>> no free laps will be given.
>>
>> B. No free laps will be granted during the last 8 km. of a race. A rider
>> having a mishap during the last 8 km. must make up any distance lost.
>>
>> C. In case of a mishap, the rider(s) will report to a pit with his
>> bicycle. Riders may not ride backward on the course to get to a pit, but
>> may cut through the course to reach a pit. A rider my proceed backwards to
>> the pit carrying his bicycle.
>>
>> D. A referee will inspect the bicycle and rider to determine if the mishap
>> was legitimate. The pit referee will inform the Chief Judge and Chief
>> Referee of all free lap decisions as soon as possible
>>
>> E. Normally a rider must return to the race within one lap. In case
>> of a very short course (generally under 1 kilometer) the Chief Referee may
>> allow two laps per mishap.
>>
>> F. If the mishap was legitimate the rider will be returned to the place he
>> was in the race at the time of the mishap. If he was in a group he will be
>> returned to the rear of that group. The rider will be ineligible for any
>> sprint prize for one lap after his return.
>>
>> G. A rider is entitled to one free lap per mishap
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>> 2.11 Mishap
>> *
>>
>> A crash, puncture, or failure of an essential part of the bicycle. Problems
>> caused by inadequate preparation or failure to adequately tighten or fasten
>> components to the bicycle are not mishaps.
>>
>> From your recount of the circumstances, everything was done properly.
>>
>> Candi
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Ty Mangum
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2011 7:47 PM
>> *To:* obra@list.obra.org
>> *Subject:* [OBRA Chat] Redefining what a "mechanical" is in a crit
>>
>> Disclaimer, this is in no way an insult/jab at the officials of this
>> weekend.
>>
>> I recently competed in the Capitol Crit racing Collegiate, and at minute 30
>> of 60 I had a "mechanical." Simply put, my chain came off the top pulley of
>> my RD after hitting a bump in the course, and I couldn't pedal or shift
>> properly. I came to a stop in the pit while still with the group, told the
>> officials what happend, showed them why I couldn't race like this (lifted up
>> the rear wheel, tried to shift etc...) manually put the chain back on with
>> my hands, and then was told I "better get to chasing" because I wouldn't be
>> awarded a free lap. I was shocked at first, thought I could argue later on
>> that I shouldn't be a lap down (the incident happened again and I realized I
>> had no further argument), but I thought that it was a TERRIBLE rule that you
>> either have to have a flat or crash to be rewarded a free lap.
>> Is it time that we reward free laps for mechanicals OTHER THAN flats and
>> crashes? Where should we draw the line? I am clearly biased in that my
>> results were skewed from the incident, but after asking teammates and
>> witnesses that were there, they were also shocked that I didn't get 1 free
>> lap. What would have been the harm in giving me one extra from an obvious
>> mechanical issue that needed to be fixed?
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
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> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 22:47:09 -0700
> From: Erik Anderson
> To: Tyler Mangum
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Redefining what a "mechanical" is in a crit
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azqituimwI8&feature=player_embedded#at=204
>
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Tyler Mangum wrote:
>
>> Candi,
>>
>> Thanks for responding.
>>
>> To clarify, in this circumstance, I didn't think the problem was caused by
>> inadequate preparation or failure of maintenance on my part. The issue
>> happened after a clear sudden jolt on the race course to the bike which
>> knocked the chain off the pulley without any previous issues. Nothing I
>> would have done before the race could have prevented it, and it didn't
>> happen until halfway through. I understand the OBRA rules, although it was a
>> USAC race for collegiate, however it felt like a legitimate mechanical
>> (clearly debatable) that is not covered under the rules. I did respect the
>> decisions of the officials, but at the same time it just felt like a
>> terrible way to end someones race for a mistake that was out of my control
>> (as a flat tire or crash would be). I would even argue that a crash is more
>> controllable to what happened to the rear derailleur, especially more than
>> just "falling down" because you're behind a crash.
>>
>> Again, I understand the rules, and that so many have already pointed out
>> that my "mechanical" is not justified by a free lap, but at the same time I
>> think it should have been. I also realize I am fully biased in my
>> statements, and that this point is clearly debatable from both sides.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Candi Murray wrote:
>>
>>> Ty
>>> Respectfully, you should read the rule book, it is posted on the OBRA
>>> site. Here are the pertinent ones regarding free laps
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> 15.4.6 Free laps
>>> *
>>>
>>> Free laps may be granted for mishaps as follows:
>>>
>>> A. If the race announcement states that the free lap rule is not in
>>> effect, no free laps will be given.
>>>
>>> B. No free laps will be granted during the last 8 km. of a race. A rider
>>> having a mishap during the last 8 km. must make up any distance lost.
>>>
>>> C. In case of a mishap, the rider(s) will report to a pit with his
>>> bicycle. Riders may not ride backward on the course to get to a pit, but
>>> may cut through the course to reach a pit. A rider my proceed backwards to
>>> the pit carrying his bicycle.
>>>
>>> D. A referee will inspect the bicycle and rider to determine if the mishap
>>> was legitimate. The pit referee will inform the Chief Judge and Chief
>>> Referee of all free lap decisions as soon as possible
>>>
>>> E. Normally a rider must return to the race within one lap. In case
>>> of a very short course (generally under 1 kilometer) the Chief Referee
>>> may allow two laps per mishap.
>>>
>>> F. If the mishap was legitimate the rider will be returned to the place he
>>> was in the race at the time of the mishap. If he was in a group he will be
>>> returned to the rear of that group. The rider will be ineligible for any
>>> sprint prize for one lap after his return.
>>>
>>> G. A rider is entitled to one free lap per mishap
>>>
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> 2.11 Mishap
>>> *
>>>
>>> A crash, puncture, or failure of an essential part of the bicycle.
>>> Problems caused by inadequate preparation or failure to adequately tighten
>>> or fasten components to the bicycle are not mishaps.
>>>
>>> From your recount of the circumstances, everything was done properly.
>>>
>>> Candi
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Ty Mangum
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2011 7:47 PM
>>> *To:* obra@list.obra.org
>>> *Subject:* [OBRA Chat] Redefining what a "mechanical" is in a crit
>>>
>>> Disclaimer, this is in no way an insult/jab at the officials of this
>>> weekend.
>>>
>>> I recently competed in the Capitol Crit racing Collegiate, and at minute
>>> 30 of 60 I had a "mechanical." Simply put, my chain came off the top pulley
>>> of my RD after hitting a bump in the course, and I couldn't pedal or shift
>>> properly. I came to a stop in the pit while still with the group, told the
>>> officials what happend, showed them why I couldn't race like this (lifted up
>>> the rear wheel, tried to shift etc...) manually put the chain back on with
>>> my hands, and then was told I "better get to chasing" because I wouldn't be
>>> awarded a free lap. I was shocked at first, thought I could argue later on
>>> that I shouldn't be a lap down (the incident happened again and I realized I
>>> had no further argument), but I thought that it was a TERRIBLE rule that you
>>> either have to have a flat or crash to be rewarded a free lap.
>>> Is it time that we reward free laps for mechanicals OTHER THAN flats and
>>> crashes? Where should we draw the line? I am clearly biased in that my
>>> results were skewed from the incident, but after asking teammates and
>>> witnesses that were there, they were also shocked that I didn't get 1 free
>>> lap. What would have been the harm in giving me one extra from an obvious
>>> mechanical issue that needed to be fixed?
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> OBRA mailing list
>>> obra@list.obra.org
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> From: "Mike Murray"
> To: "remailer, OBRA"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Redefining what a "mechanical" is in a crit
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> I know you have seen someone ejected from the velodrome at LEAST one time, probably MORE than one time.
> Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Mark J. Ginsberg"
> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 22:39:16
> To: Ty Mangum;
> Reply-To: "Mark J. Ginsberg"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Redefining what a "mechanical" is in a crit
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> Message: 22
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 22:53:45 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "Mark J. Ginsberg"
> To: mike.murray@obra.org, "remailer, OBRA"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Redefining what a "mechanical" is in a crit
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> i was thinking of Lance, when you threw him out b/c he was pissed at me, but I
> am sure it happened to Klipper once too, right?
>
> Mark J. Ginsberg
> Berkshire Ginsberg, LLC
> Attorneys At Law
> 1216 SE Belmont St.
> Portland, OR 97214
> (503) 542-3000
> Fax (503) 233-6874
> markjginsberg@yahoo.com
> www.bikesafetylaw.com
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Mike Murray
> To: "remailer, OBRA"
> Sent: Mon, March 21, 2011 10:49:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Redefining what a "mechanical" is in a crit
>
> I know you have seen someone ejected from the velodrome at LEAST one time,
> probably MORE than one time.
>
> Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Mark J. Ginsberg"
> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 22:39:16
> To: Ty Mangum;
> Reply-To: "Mark J. Ginsberg"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Redefining what a "mechanical" is in a crit
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> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 06:19:35 -0700
> From: Mike Ripley
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> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Rivercity Oregon XC Custom Store
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> Hey Guys
>
> On the series page www.oregonxcseries.org you will see your custom jersey
> that will be sent to you after winning the Rivercity XC series, Its Blue and
> clearly identifies you as the best in 1 of 25 categories this year and good
> luck on winning your category
>
> For all of us mere mortals we have a option to order arm warmers/vests and
> jerseys at a not to expensive price to support the series and to add to your
> collection of layers
>
> Press release
>
> Rivercity Oregon XC Series
>
> Here are the instructions for Rivercity Oregon XC Series Team Store. If you
> have any questions about the products or fit please contact the Oregon XC
> Series. The store closes on April 25th.
>
> - You can access your team store with this link:
> http://www.primalwear.com/c-282-oregon-xc-series.aspx.
> If you lose the link you can access the store by going to
> www.primalwear.comand
> selecting the "Team Store" button in the top navigation bar and then
> selecting your team store. Once you access the team store you will be able
> to add products to your cart just like any other web store.
>
>
>
> - When you've made all your selections, click on "Checkout Now." Enter
> your shipping and billing information to complete your order. You will
> receive an invoice detailing all your charges. Please double check your
> order as soon as possible as we will not be able to adjust your order after
> the production order has been placed. If the minimum order quantity is not
> met for any items then those products will be rolled over to the next
> production date and shipped at a later time.
>
>
>
> - Please Note: This is a custom *PREORDER*, once we receive all orders we
> will place an order with our production facility. *Your order will ship
> to you in August*. There are no refunds or exchanges available for Oregon
> XC Series products and coupons cannot be used for these products.
>
> If you have any questions about the products or fit please contact your team
> manager. For questions about ordering or the website please contact customer
> service .
>
>
>
>
>
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> From: Dan Silvernail
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Renn Disc for sale
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> I'm selling a Renn 575 disc. I bought it new in 2006, but it has very few miles, no more than 300.
>
> It's a tubular and I am including a Vittoria Corsa EVO-CX (NOT cyclocross!) tire. (taped on with Tufo tape).
>
> Also included is a Shimano 10 speed 11-23 cassette. Same mileage as the wheel.
>
> Price: $350.00
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 25
> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 08:06:59 -0700
> From: eric aldinger
> To: obra
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Redefining what a "mechanical" is in a crit
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> This is not my discipline. Could someone explain the reason for giving a lap
> for a mechanical or crash? Also, is it not permitted for the rider to simply
> stop and put a chain back on outside of the pit? If that is disallowed for
> safety reasons it seems like it could qualify as a mechanical dependant upon
> the official's judgement.
>
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 10:53 PM, Mark J. Ginsberg
> wrote:
>
>> i was thinking of Lance, when you threw him out b/c he was pissed at me,
>> but I am sure it happened to Klipper once too, right?
>>
>>
>> Mark J. Ginsberg
>> Berkshire Ginsberg, LLC
>> Attorneys At Law
>> 1216 SE Belmont St.
>> Portland, OR 97214
>> (503) 542-3000
>> Fax (503) 233-6874
>> markjginsberg@yahoo.com
>> www.bikesafetylaw.com
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Mike Murray
>> *To:* "remailer, OBRA"
>> *Sent:* Mon, March 21, 2011 10:49:08 PM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Redefining what a "mechanical" is in a crit
>>
>> I know you have seen someone ejected from the velodrome at LEAST one time,
>> probably MORE than one time.
>> Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Mark J. Ginsberg"
>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 22:39:16
>> To: Ty Mangum;
>> Reply-To: "Mark J. Ginsberg"
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Redefining what a "mechanical" is in a crit
>>
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> Message: 26
> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 08:36:13 -0700
> From: Travis Wilson
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> Subject: [OBRA Chat] wtb: Sram 10-speed shifters
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> I need the right hand shifter. Let me know what you have.
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> Thanks,
> Travis
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> Message: 27
> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 09:02:43 -0700
> From: Brian Gerow
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> Subject: [OBRA Chat] WTB: Square Taper Cranks
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> I am looking for a square taper crankset, in either 170 or 172.0 arm length
> for a commuter. Either 130 or 110 BCD will do fine.
> Please contact me off list.
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> Brian Gregory Gerow
> 3577 SE Woodward St
> Portland, OR 97202
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> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 09:30:48 -0700
> From: Lisa Winchester
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> Subject: [OBRA Chat] OT: Banner maker
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> Does anyone know of a good place to get a big banner made for our new gourmet backpacking food co.? Please reply off-list.
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> ~Lisa Winchester
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> Message: 29
> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 11:16:50 -0700
> From: Jon
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> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: Kona Kula Primo, 18" XT, King, Mavic
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> I'm posting this for my brother, who was about to rip himself off.
> Kona Kula Primo 18" mtn. bike with the following components: Shimano XT disc brakes (only one year old), XT crankset and derailleurs, Mavic Crossmax SL wheels, Easton stem/bar, and Chris King headset and BB. The fork is a Rock Shox World Cup. The bike is in very good if not excellent condition, and there should be a photo posted on Craigslist. Asking $850. Please contact Perrin 503-201-2960 or merzouga02@gmail.com
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> Message: 30
> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 11:45:34 -0700
> From: Erik Fabrizius
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> Subject: [OBRA Chat] 2010 Ridley Compact frameset
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> sized medium, cable rub marks on headtube, but other than that, it's in terrific shape. easton ec90 slx fork, fsa headset (missing topcap), and a thomson 31.6 elite post in black. Great frameset, 400.00. Thanks. 503.277.8840
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