OBRA: OBRA Chat: Reminder to use correct rac...

Mike Murray

2011-03-31

Any official who told people that they can lift up their jersey and call out
their number needs to be chastised. Imagine being at the line when 12 guys
come by at speed all yelling their number. No imagine simultaneously trying
to look at all the lifted jackets read all the numbers .. In order.
Practically, if the number does not show up on the FinihLynx camera then no
one will know that you were there. The FinishLynx only takes a picture of
the finish line, about an inch wide. When people lift their jacket generally
they will do it before the line or after the line and the FinishLynx will
miss it entirely. Even if they get it right on the line often their arm
covers the number.

Candi is working with the officials to standardize start line instructions
so this does not happen again.

Candi often tells people to come back to make sure we got you. I think it
is a good idea for people to come to the line and watch the process so they
have some idea of the difficulty of the task of placing everyone.

Mike Murray

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Mathew Braun
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 09:07 AM
To: Mark J. Ginsberg; trispoke@aol.com
Cc: OBRA List
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Reminder to use correct race number

Beating a dead horse....at BB3 It was announced at the start of the 1,2 race
by our lead car official it was ok to leave your jacket on covering your
number, just at the finish be sure to lift your jacket up and yell out your
number. I know several of us did this and still received a "warning" in the
results. One even received "relegation".

I think covering your number should be an automatic DQ but when we're given
specific alternative instructions at the start and then still receive a
reprimand it makes no sense?

mathew braun

d o w a

907 sw stark street

portland, or 97205

p: 503.226.6950

f: 503.273.9192

d: 503.419.0906

m: 503.808.0495

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Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 8:57 AM
To: trispoke@aol.com
Cc: OBRA List
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Reminder to use correct race number

I don't know the officials position on this, but if you want to follow the
letter of the rule, buy extra #s from this year and you are all set.

M

Mark J. Ginsberg
Berkshire Ginsberg, LLC
Attorneys At Law
1216 SE Belmont St.
Portland, OR 97214
(503) 542-3000
Fax (503) 233-6874
markjginsberg@yahoo.com
www.bikesafetylaw.com

_____

From: "trispoke@aol.com"
Cc: OBRA List
Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 8:32:27 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Reminder to use correct race number

So, a question, given our lovely Oregon spring weather. In the past, I used
to wear a number on my jersey and pin one on my rain or wind coat, since
that might go off/on twice in a long race when the weather changes twice.

Since we're now wearing 2 jersey numbers, I'll often put my old number on my
coat. Could we perhaps extend some understanding for this situation and not
DQ if we are in fact wearing 3 numbers at the time?

I realize officials' job is hard and only wanting to point out it's not
always negligence on the racer's part (though it usually is).

Thanks,

Ian

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 30, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Melanie Rathe wrote:

Just a friendly reminder to use your correct race number that was issued to
you for 2011. Several individuals just spent an incredible amount of time to
identify an unidentified rider in a recent race. It was discovered (with
incredible detective skills, I might add ;o) that the rider in question used
his race number from last year.

Thanks for your attention to this matter!

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Mike Murray

2011-03-31

The only way an official is going to know that your number is last year’s number is if it contains different digits from this year’s number. I suppose that they might notice it on the line and ask about it to make sure that you actually have this year’s number. As odd as it seems to be to some people, the digits really do matter because that is what identifies you. If you have a number on that is not on this year’s database then you will not be identified.

Mike Murray

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of trispoke@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 08:32 AM
Cc: OBRA List
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Reminder to use correct race number

So, a question, given our lovely Oregon spring weather. In the past, I used to wear a number on my jersey and pin one on my rain or wind coat, since that might go off/on twice in a long race when the weather changes twice.

Since we're now wearing 2 jersey numbers, I'll often put my old number on my coat. Could we perhaps extend some understanding for this situation and not DQ if we are in fact wearing 3 numbers at the time?

I realize officials' job is hard and only wanting to point out it's not always negligence on the racer's part (though it usually is).

Thanks,

Ian

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 30, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Melanie Rathe wrote:

Just a friendly reminder to use your correct race number that was issued to you for 2011. Several individuals just spent an incredible amount of time to identify an unidentified rider in a recent race. It was discovered (with incredible detective skills, I might add ;o) that the rider in question used his race number from last year.

Thanks for your attention to this matter!

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T. Kenji Sugahara

2011-03-31

A couple things:

This fall we will be picking up helmet numbers for CCX. If they work,
we will have them for next road season.

We will not be getting frame numbers. Why? They are more expensive
and tend to break.

k-

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Ron and Dorothy Strasser
wrote:
> OBRA........
> But...if a person has the SAME number as last year and all he/she used the
> old number for was placement on the rain jacket for these early season
> weather situations, they would be doing the officials a favor by having the
> proper number showing. They are not just thinking of themselves, but the
> officials as well. The old number serves a good purpose here. The
> officials should KNOW through registration that the rider has a current
> license. Buying extra numbers in case you lose the number makes sense, but
> some people do not want to buy extra numbers and take care not to lose the
> ones issued. The proper number visible at the finish and current license
> are the important aspects of the conversation. I do not road race, but it
> seems like a waste to buy extra numbers just to place on rain gear.
> I know officials like to see the RIGHT number.
> ron
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Candi Murray
> To: Sarah Tisdale
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Reminder to use correct race number
> Frankly I feel that if you are ever unsure you should go back and talk to
> the officials. But we have to get the numbers uncovered and in view. That
> should be the riders responsibility. Making the officials work hours after
> the finish of a race is unacceptable.
>
> Candi
> On Mar 31, 2011, at 9:21 AM, Sarah
>
> We were told this at the start line Saturday at Piece of Cake and Sunday at
> BB3.
>
> At PoC, they said, "If your number is covered, just go back after the finish
> and talk to the officials." I was very surprised.
>
>
>
> Sarah
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Candi Murray wrote:
>>
>> Lifting your jacket and calling your number does not help. The official
>> that told you to do that must never work the finish line. Plus the judge
>> doing the results does not hear the instructions that the car
>> official gives. The only way to get accurately scored it to have a visible
>> number.
>>
>>
>> Candi
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mathew Braun
>> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:07 AM
>> To: Mark J. Ginsberg; trispoke@aol.com
>> Cc: OBRA List
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Reminder to use correct race number
>>
>> Beating a dead horse…………at BB3 It was announced at the start of the 1,2
>> race by our lead car official it was ok to leave your jacket on covering
>> your number, just at the finish be sure to lift your jacket up and yell out
>> your number. I know several of us did this and still received a “warning”
>> in the results. One even received “relegation”.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think covering your number should be an automatic DQ but when we’re
>> given specific alternative instructions at the start and then still receive
>> a reprimand it makes no sense?
>>
>>
>>
>> mathew braun
>>
>> d o w a
>>
>> 907 sw stark street
>>
>> portland, or 97205
>>
>> p: 503.226.6950
>>
>> f: 503.273.9192
>>
>> d: 503.419.0906
>>
>> m: 503.808.0495
>>
>>
>>
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>> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mark J. Ginsberg
>> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 8:57 AM
>> To: trispoke@aol.com
>> Cc: OBRA List
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Reminder to use correct race number
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't know the officials position on this, but if you want to follow the
>> letter of the rule, buy extra #s from this year and you are all set.
>>
>> M
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark J. Ginsberg
>> Berkshire Ginsberg, LLC
>> Attorneys At Law
>> 1216 SE Belmont St.
>> Portland, OR 97214
>> (503) 542-3000
>> Fax (503) 233-6874
>> markjginsberg@yahoo.com
>> www.bikesafetylaw.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: "trispoke@aol.com"
>> Cc: OBRA List
>> Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 8:32:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Reminder to use correct race number
>>
>> So, a question, given our lovely Oregon spring weather. In the past, I
>> used to wear a number on my jersey and pin one on my rain or wind coat,
>> since that might go off/on twice in a long race when the weather changes
>> twice.
>>
>> Since we're now wearing 2 jersey numbers, I'll often put my old number on
>> my coat. Could we perhaps extend some understanding for this situation and
>> not DQ if we are in fact wearing 3 numbers at the time?
>>
>> I realize officials' job is hard and only wanting to point out it's not
>> always negligence on the racer's part (though it usually is).
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ian
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 30, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Melanie Rathe wrote:
>>
>> Just a friendly reminder to use your correct race number that was issued
>> to you for 2011. Several individuals just spent an incredible amount of time
>> to identify an unidentified rider in a recent race. It was discovered (with
>> incredible detective skills, I might add ;o) that the rider in question used
>> his race number from last year.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your attention to this matter!
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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Ron and Dorothy Strasser

2011-03-31

OBRA........
But...if a person has the SAME number as last year and all he/she used the old number for was placement on the rain jacket for these early season weather situations, they would be doing the officials a favor by having the proper number showing. They are not just thinking of themselves, but the officials as well. The old number serves a good purpose here. The officials should KNOW through registration that the rider has a current license. Buying extra numbers in case you lose the number makes sense, but some people do not want to buy extra numbers and take care not to lose the ones issued. The proper number visible at the finish and current license are the important aspects of the conversation. I do not road race, but it seems like a waste to buy extra numbers just to place on rain gear.
I know officials like to see the RIGHT number.
ron
----- Original Message -----
From: Candi Murray
To: Sarah Tisdale
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Reminder to use correct race number

Frankly I feel that if you are ever unsure you should go back and talk to the officials. But we have to get the numbers uncovered and in view. That should be the riders responsibility. Making the officials work hours after the finish of a race is unacceptable.

Candi

On Mar 31, 2011, at 9:21 AM, Sarah

We were told this at the start line Saturday at Piece of Cake and Sunday at BB3.

At PoC, they said, "If your number is covered, just go back after the finish and talk to the officials." I was very surprised.

Sarah

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Candi Murray wrote:

Lifting your jacket and calling your number does not help. The official that told you to do that must never work the finish line. Plus the judge doing the results does not hear the instructions that the car official gives. The only way to get accurately scored it to have a visible number.

Candi

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Mathew Braun
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:07 AM
To: Mark J. Ginsberg; trispoke@aol.com

Cc: OBRA List
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Reminder to use correct race number

Beating a dead horse…………at BB3 It was announced at the start of the 1,2 race by our lead car official it was ok to leave your jacket on covering your number, just at the finish be sure to lift your jacket up and yell out your number. I know several of us did this and still received a “warning” in the results. One even received “relegation”.

I think covering your number should be an automatic DQ but when we’re given specific alternative instructions at the start and then still receive a reprimand it makes no sense?

mathew braun

d o w a

907 sw stark street

portland, or 97205

p: 503.226.6950

f: 503.273.9192

d: 503.419.0906

m: 503.808.0495

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Mark J. Ginsberg
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 8:57 AM
To: trispoke@aol.com
Cc: OBRA List
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Reminder to use correct race number

I don't know the officials position on this, but if you want to follow the letter of the rule, buy extra #s from this year and you are all set.

M

Mark J. Ginsberg
Berkshire Ginsberg, LLC
Attorneys At Law
1216 SE Belmont St.
Portland, OR 97214
(503) 542-3000
Fax (503) 233-6874
markjginsberg@yahoo.com
www.bikesafetylaw.com

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From: "trispoke@aol.com"
Cc: OBRA List
Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 8:32:27 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Reminder to use correct race number

So, a question, given our lovely Oregon spring weather. In the past, I used to wear a number on my jersey and pin one on my rain or wind coat, since that might go off/on twice in a long race when the weather changes twice.

Since we're now wearing 2 jersey numbers, I'll often put my old number on my coat. Could we perhaps extend some understanding for this situation and not DQ if we are in fact wearing 3 numbers at the time?

I realize officials' job is hard and only wanting to point out it's not always negligence on the racer's part (though it usually is).

Thanks,

Ian

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 30, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Melanie Rathe wrote:

Just a friendly reminder to use your correct race number that was issued to you for 2011. Several individuals just spent an incredible amount of time to identify an unidentified rider in a recent race. It was discovered (with incredible detective skills, I might add ;o) that the rider in question used his race number from last year.

Thanks for your attention to this matter!

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Candi Murray

2011-03-31

Frankly I feel that if you are ever unsure you should go back and talk to the officials. But we have to get the numbers uncovered and in view. That should be the riders responsibility. Making the officials work hours after the finish of a race is unacceptable.

Candi

On Mar 31, 2011, at 9:21 AM, Sarah

> We were told this at the start line Saturday at Piece of Cake and Sunday at BB3.
>
> At PoC, they said, "If your number is covered, just go back after the finish and talk to the officials." I was very surprised.
>
>
>
> Sarah
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Candi Murray wrote:
> Lifting your jacket and calling your number does not help. The official that told you to do that must never work the finish line. Plus the judge doing the results does not hear the instructions that the car official gives. The only way to get accurately scored it to have a visible number.
>
> Candi
>
>
>
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Mathew Braun
> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:07 AM
> To: Mark J. Ginsberg; trispoke@aol.com
>
> Cc: OBRA List
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Reminder to use correct race number
>
> Beating a dead horse…………at BB3 It was announced at the start of the 1,2 race by our lead car official it was ok to leave your jacket on covering your number, just at the finish be sure to lift your jacket up and yell out your number. I know several of us did this and still received a “warning” in the results. One even received “relegation”.
>
>
>
> I think covering your number should be an automatic DQ but when we’re given specific alternative instructions at the start and then still receive a reprimand it makes no sense?
>
>
>
> mathew braun
>
> d o w a
>
> 907 sw stark street
>
> portland, or 97205
>
> p: 503.226.6950
>
> f: 503.273.9192
>
> d: 503.419.0906
>
> m: 503.808.0495
>
>
>
> DISCLAIMER:
> The information contained in this e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Its contents (including any attachments) are confidential and may contain privileged information. If you are not an intended recipient you
>
> must not use, disclose, disseminate, copy or print its contents. If you receive this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete and destroy the message.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Mark J. Ginsberg
> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 8:57 AM
> To: trispoke@aol.com
> Cc: OBRA List
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Reminder to use correct race number
>
>
>
> I don't know the officials position on this, but if you want to follow the letter of the rule, buy extra #s from this year and you are all set.
>
> M
>
>
>
> Mark J. Ginsberg
> Berkshire Ginsberg, LLC
> Attorneys At Law
> 1216 SE Belmont St.
> Portland, OR 97214
> (503) 542-3000
> Fax (503) 233-6874
> markjginsberg@yahoo.com
> www.bikesafetylaw.com
>
>
>
>
>
> From: "trispoke@aol.com"
> Cc: OBRA List
> Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 8:32:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Reminder to use correct race number
>
> So, a question, given our lovely Oregon spring weather. In the past, I used to wear a number on my jersey and pin one on my rain or wind coat, since that might go off/on twice in a long race when the weather changes twice.
>
> Since we're now wearing 2 jersey numbers, I'll often put my old number on my coat. Could we perhaps extend some understanding for this situation and not DQ if we are in fact wearing 3 numbers at the time?
>
> I realize officials' job is hard and only wanting to point out it's not always negligence on the racer's part (though it usually is).
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ian
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Mar 30, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Melanie Rathe wrote:
>
> Just a friendly reminder to use your correct race number that was issued to you for 2011. Several individuals just spent an incredible amount of time to identify an unidentified rider in a recent race. It was discovered (with incredible detective skills, I might add ;o) that the rider in question used his race number from last year.
>
>
>
> Thanks for your attention to this matter!
>
> _______________________________________________
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Melanie Rathe

2011-03-31

The rider in question wore last year's road number which is not the same number he was issued this year, thus the confusion. Also, he was not dq'd but given a warning.

Melanie

----- Original Message -----
From: trispoke@aol.com
Cc: "OBRA List"
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 8:32:27 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Reminder to use correct race number

So, a question, given our lovely Oregon spring weather. In the past, I used to wear a number on my jersey and pin one on my rain or wind coat, since that might go off/on twice in a long race when the weather changes twice.
Since we're now wearing 2 jersey numbers, I'll often put my old number on my coat. Could we perhaps extend some understanding for this situation and not DQ if we are in fact wearing 3 numbers at the time?
I realize officials' job is hard and only wanting to point out it's not always negligence on the racer's part (though it usually is).

Thanks,
Ian

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 30, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Melanie Rathe < mellierat@comcast.net > wrote:

Just a friendly reminder to use your correct race number that was issued to you for 2011. Several individuals just spent an incredible amount of time to identify an unidentified rider in a recent race. It was discovered (with incredible detective skills, I might add ;o) that the rider in question used his race number from last year.

Thanks for your attention to this matter!

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Mathew Braun

2011-03-31

That makes sense Candi, but to take a miscommunication between officials out on the participants seems a bit off the mark?

mathew braun
d o w a
907 sw stark street
portland, or 97205
p: 503.226.6950
f: 503.273.9192
d: 503.419.0906
m: 503.808.0495

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From: Candi Murray [mailto:cmurray@obra.org]
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:16 AM
To: Mathew Braun; 'Mark J. Ginsberg'; trispoke@aol.com
Cc: 'OBRA List'
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Reminder to use correct race number

Lifting your jacket and calling your number does not help. The official that told you to do that must never work the finish line. Plus the judge doing the results does not hear the instructions that the car official gives. The only way to get accurately scored it to have a visible number.

Candi

________________________________
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Mathew Braun
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:07 AM
To: Mark J. Ginsberg; trispoke@aol.com
Cc: OBRA List
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Reminder to use correct race number
Beating a dead horse............at BB3 It was announced at the start of the 1,2 race by our lead car official it was ok to leave your jacket on covering your number, just at the finish be sure to lift your jacket up and yell out your number. I know several of us did this and still received a "warning" in the results. One even received "relegation".

I think covering your number should be an automatic DQ but when we're given specific alternative instructions at the start and then still receive a reprimand it makes no sense?

mathew braun
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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Mark J. Ginsberg
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 8:57 AM
To: trispoke@aol.com
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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Reminder to use correct race number

I don't know the officials position on this, but if you want to follow the letter of the rule, buy extra #s from this year and you are all set.

M

Mark J. Ginsberg
Berkshire Ginsberg, LLC
Attorneys At Law
1216 SE Belmont St.
Portland, OR 97214
(503) 542-3000
Fax (503) 233-6874
markjginsberg@yahoo.com
www.bikesafetylaw.com

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From: "trispoke@aol.com"
Cc: OBRA List
Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 8:32:27 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Reminder to use correct race number
So, a question, given our lovely Oregon spring weather. In the past, I used to wear a number on my jersey and pin one on my rain or wind coat, since that might go off/on twice in a long race when the weather changes twice.
Since we're now wearing 2 jersey numbers, I'll often put my old number on my coat. Could we perhaps extend some understanding for this situation and not DQ if we are in fact wearing 3 numbers at the time?
I realize officials' job is hard and only wanting to point out it's not always negligence on the racer's part (though it usually is).

Thanks,
Ian

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On Mar 30, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Melanie Rathe > wrote:

Just a friendly reminder to use your correct race number that was issued to you for 2011. Several individuals just spent an incredible amount of time to identify an unidentified rider in a recent race. It was discovered (with incredible detective skills, I might add ;o) that the rider in question used his race number from last year.

Thanks for your attention to this matter!
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Candi Murray

2011-03-31

Lifting your jacket and calling your number does not help. The official that
told you to do that must never work the finish line. Plus the judge doing
the results does not hear the instructions that the car official gives. The
only way to get accurately scored it to have a visible number.

Candi

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Mathew Braun
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:07 AM
To: Mark J. Ginsberg; trispoke@aol.com
Cc: OBRA List
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Reminder to use correct race number

Beating a dead horse....at BB3 It was announced at the start of the 1,2 race
by our lead car official it was ok to leave your jacket on covering your
number, just at the finish be sure to lift your jacket up and yell out your
number. I know several of us did this and still received a "warning" in the
results. One even received "relegation".

I think covering your number should be an automatic DQ but when we're given
specific alternative instructions at the start and then still receive a
reprimand it makes no sense?

mathew braun

d o w a

907 sw stark street

portland, or 97205

p: 503.226.6950

f: 503.273.9192

d: 503.419.0906

m: 503.808.0495

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Mark J. Ginsberg
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 8:57 AM
To: trispoke@aol.com
Cc: OBRA List
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Reminder to use correct race number

I don't know the officials position on this, but if you want to follow the
letter of the rule, buy extra #s from this year and you are all set.

M

Mark J. Ginsberg
Berkshire Ginsberg, LLC
Attorneys At Law
1216 SE Belmont St.
Portland, OR 97214
(503) 542-3000
Fax (503) 233-6874
markjginsberg@yahoo.com
www.bikesafetylaw.com

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From: "trispoke@aol.com"
Cc: OBRA List
Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 8:32:27 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Reminder to use correct race number

So, a question, given our lovely Oregon spring weather. In the past, I used
to wear a number on my jersey and pin one on my rain or wind coat, since
that might go off/on twice in a long race when the weather changes twice.

Since we're now wearing 2 jersey numbers, I'll often put my old number on my
coat. Could we perhaps extend some understanding for this situation and not
DQ if we are in fact wearing 3 numbers at the time?

I realize officials' job is hard and only wanting to point out it's not
always negligence on the racer's part (though it usually is).

Thanks,

Ian

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 30, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Melanie Rathe wrote:

Just a friendly reminder to use your correct race number that was issued to
you for 2011. Several individuals just spent an incredible amount of time to
identify an unidentified rider in a recent race. It was discovered (with
incredible detective skills, I might add ;o) that the rider in question used
his race number from last year.

Thanks for your attention to this matter!

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Mathew Braun

2011-03-31

Beating a dead horse............at BB3 It was announced at the start of the 1,2 race by our lead car official it was ok to leave your jacket on covering your number, just at the finish be sure to lift your jacket up and yell out your number. I know several of us did this and still received a "warning" in the results. One even received "relegation".

I think covering your number should be an automatic DQ but when we're given specific alternative instructions at the start and then still receive a reprimand it makes no sense?

mathew braun
d o w a
907 sw stark street
portland, or 97205
p: 503.226.6950
f: 503.273.9192
d: 503.419.0906
m: 503.808.0495

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Mark J. Ginsberg
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 8:57 AM
To: trispoke@aol.com
Cc: OBRA List
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Reminder to use correct race number

I don't know the officials position on this, but if you want to follow the letter of the rule, buy extra #s from this year and you are all set.

M

Mark J. Ginsberg
Berkshire Ginsberg, LLC
Attorneys At Law
1216 SE Belmont St.
Portland, OR 97214
(503) 542-3000
Fax (503) 233-6874
markjginsberg@yahoo.com
www.bikesafetylaw.com

________________________________
From: "trispoke@aol.com"
Cc: OBRA List
Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 8:32:27 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Reminder to use correct race number
So, a question, given our lovely Oregon spring weather. In the past, I used to wear a number on my jersey and pin one on my rain or wind coat, since that might go off/on twice in a long race when the weather changes twice.
Since we're now wearing 2 jersey numbers, I'll often put my old number on my coat. Could we perhaps extend some understanding for this situation and not DQ if we are in fact wearing 3 numbers at the time?
I realize officials' job is hard and only wanting to point out it's not always negligence on the racer's part (though it usually is).

Thanks,
Ian

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 30, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Melanie Rathe > wrote:

Just a friendly reminder to use your correct race number that was issued to you for 2011. Several individuals just spent an incredible amount of time to identify an unidentified rider in a recent race. It was discovered (with incredible detective skills, I might add ;o) that the rider in question used his race number from last year.

Thanks for your attention to this matter!
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Mark J. Ginsberg

2011-03-31

I don't know the officials position on this, but if you want to follow the
letter of the rule, buy extra #s from this year and you are all set.

M

Mark J. Ginsberg
Berkshire Ginsberg, LLC
Attorneys At Law
1216 SE Belmont St.
Portland, OR 97214
(503) 542-3000
Fax (503) 233-6874
markjginsberg@yahoo.com
www.bikesafetylaw.com

________________________________
From: "trispoke@aol.com"
Cc: OBRA List
Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 8:32:27 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Reminder to use correct race number

So, a question, given our lovely Oregon spring weather. In the past, I used to
wear a number on my jersey and pin one on my rain or wind coat, since that might
go off/on twice in a long race when the weather changes twice.
Since we're now wearing 2 jersey numbers, I'll often put my old number on my
coat. Could we perhaps extend some understanding for this situation and not DQ
if we are in fact wearing 3 numbers at the time?
I realize officials' job is hard and only wanting to point out it's not always
negligence on the racer's part (though it usually is).

Thanks,
Ian

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 30, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Melanie Rathe wrote:

Just a friendly reminder to use your correct race number that was issued to you
for 2011. Several individuals just spent an incredible amount of time to
identify an unidentified rider in a recent race. It was discovered (with
incredible detective skills, I might add ;o) that the rider in question used his
race number from last year.
>
>Thanks for your attention to this matter!
>
_______________________________________________
>OBRA mailing list
>obra@list.obra.org
>http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>

trispoke@aol.com

2011-03-31

So, a question, given our lovely Oregon spring weather. In the past, I used to wear a number on my jersey and pin one on my rain or wind coat, since that might go off/on twice in a long race when the weather changes twice.
Since we're now wearing 2 jersey numbers, I'll often put my old number on my coat. Could we perhaps extend some understanding for this situation and not DQ if we are in fact wearing 3 numbers at the time?
I realize officials' job is hard and only wanting to point out it's not always negligence on the racer's part (though it usually is).

Thanks,
Ian

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 30, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Melanie Rathe wrote:

> Just a friendly reminder to use your correct race number that was issued to you for 2011. Several individuals just spent an incredible amount of time to identify an unidentified rider in a recent race. It was discovered (with incredible detective skills, I might add ;o) that the rider in question used his race number from last year.
>
>
>
> Thanks for your attention to this matter!
>
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Mark J. Ginsberg

2011-03-30

Ah, the classic rule 8.1 violation!

M

Mark J. Ginsberg
Berkshire Ginsberg, LLC
Attorneys At Law
1216 SE Belmont St.
Portland, OR 97214
(503) 542-3000
Fax (503) 233-6874
markjginsberg@yahoo.com
www.bikesafetylaw.com

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From: Melanie Rathe
To: OBRA List
Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 11:51:30 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Reminder to use correct race number

Just a friendly reminder to use your correct race number that was issued to you
for 2011. Several individuals just spent an incredible amount of time to
identify an unidentified rider in a recent race. It was discovered (with
incredible detective skills, I might add ;o) that the rider in question used his
race number from last year.

Thanks for your attention to this matter!

Melanie Rathe

2011-03-30

Just a friendly reminder to use your correct race number that was issued to you for 2011. Several individuals just spent an incredible amount of time to identify an unidentified rider in a recent race. It was discovered (with incredible detective skills, I might add ;o) that the rider in question used his race number from last year.

Thanks for your attention to this matter!