Turner
Plus, Half Fast knew where Bin Laden was the whole time.
Rick, I will email your team manager of a list of people to collect kits from.
We all need to ride smarter - and we all make dumb mistakes. Except Jens Voigt.
Turner
3rd place Cat 3 field, 2002 POC road race
Director Sportif, Team Turner
Turner Waskom Racing
Waskom Sponsorship Committee
Turner Beer Drinking LLC
--- On Thu, 5/5/11, Rick Johnson wrote:
From: Rick Johnson
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Way to represent, Half Fast Velo!
To: obra@list.obra.org
Date: Thursday, May 5, 2011, 7:47 AM
I'm in complete agreement with Mike on this one. We either police ourselves or we get more laws imposed on us. Then you can complain about how unfair and discriminatory the laws are.
A great example is the red light cameras. How awesome is it to have Big Brother watching us and sending out automated citations by mail? The only reason we have them is because too many a$$holes run red lights.
Another example, responsible motorcyclists nationwide have long said we need to get the minority of our fellow motorcyclists to mellow out on their loud exhausts. The classic quote is "If we don't solve the problem ourselves the government will step in to do it and we will probably not like the results". So, California just passed a law effectively outlawing aftermarket exhausts statewide, it was even sighed into law by a motorcyclist (Governor Schwarzenegger). Since California is the nations largest motorcycle market, and most of the exhaust system manufacturers are located there, this will have a huge ripple effect. Way to go loud obnoxious bikers!
So yea, we must call out the irresponsible among us. I'll tell you this, our team has a strict policy about this very issue. Had that HFV rider been one of us the team manager would likely be collecting that riders kit right about now.
Rick Johnson
Bend Oregon
On 5/5/2011 6:53 AM, Mike Murray wrote:
> Sometimes when people are doing something stupid they don't realize how stupid it is until someone tells them. It should be pointed out to people when they break laws. If you saw someone steal a small item in a store would you also feel that this should not be called out? Social stigma and policing is an important thing to keep us all for acting like selfish pricks.
> Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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> i agree that it's not cool to do something that some people consider stupid or illegal while wearing your sponsor's logo. and i don't run red lights myself. not because of anyone's implied social stigma but because the fine is around $200 not to mention the inconvenience. my issue is with who ever is taking it upon themselves to make an online example out of this guy who (from what the description sounded like) basically did a modified idaho stop. maybe some of you guys won't be happy until his team confronts and then drops him. maybe the police will hear about this and go to his house and ticket him. maybe you can find out where he works and petition his job to fire him. no, i understand the sentiment. it's the action that's pathetic. and those who want to follow this line of social policing are pathetic also.
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