tony kic

i'm sure your financial martyrdom will be recognized in racing history for all of eternity, but being a promoter is not synonymous with being willing to work hard and lose a bunch of money so twelve under dressed dudes can ride around in a storm for an hour. it means is that it's your race and you can do whatever you want with it. pulling the plug makes complete sense. go find someone else to give a hard time.

> Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 08:07:34 -0700
> From: sscarich@peoplepc.com
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] C.O. Crit Cancellation
>
> I don't want to be too harsh here, but cancelling a race because you might lose money is really lame. If it is going to be too dangerous for put on the race tonight, that is another matter. I promoted many races during the 80's and 90's. On some of them, I knew several days before the race that I would lose several hundred dollars. That hurt, but that is what defines a 'promoter', the opportunity to make or lose money as a result of your efforts. I went ahead and put on these events, knowing that some riders counted on me, and good name was a result of honoring my commitments. So, Matt, I do not want to be too tough on you, but you might want to reconsider your claim to the title 'promoter'.
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Hey Matt ~ I totally support your decision to cancel the crit tonight. In
fact, I want to thank you for putting in all the hard work you do to put
these races on. I really appreciate being able to ride from my house,
participate in a time trial, crit, short track, or maybe even a Tumalo
circuit race on a weekday evening and not have to drive over the hill. All
we do is show up, pay a few bucks, have a great time racing and head home.
You do all the behind the scenes stuff and not every community has that
opportunity or someone like you taking action and putting on events. Cheers
to you and the next pint is on me!

On , Karsten Hagen wrote:
> Yeah, Matt shouldn't be putting on races to make money. He should just be

> doing it for fun. Rent, living expense, etc...who cares? In fact, because

> we are all so nice to him when races don't go our way, he should just do
> it

> for love!

> I'll go out and watch you ride circles around the high school by yourself

> tonight if it makes you feel better. I wish we could all be such hard men.

> I'm sorry, but the only lame thing about canceling the crit tonight is
> this

> email by you to the OBRA list.

> Karsten Hagen

> On 5/25/11 8:07 AM, "Steve Scarich" sscarich@peoplepc.com> wrote:

> > I don't want to be too harsh here, but cancelling a race because you
> might

> > lose money is really lame. If it is going to be too dangerous for put
> on the

> > race tonight, that is another matter. I promoted many races during the
> 80's

> > and 90's. On some of them, I knew several days before the race that I
> would

> > lose several hundred dollars. That hurt, but that is what defines a

> > 'promoter', the opportunity to make or lose money as a result of your
> efforts.

> > I went ahead and put on these events, knowing that some riders counted
> on me,

> > and good name was a result of honoring my commitments. So, Matt, I do
> not

> > want to be too tough on you, but you might want to reconsider your
> claim to

> > the title 'promoter'.

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Karsten Hagen

Yeah, Matt shouldn't be putting on races to make money. He should just be
doing it for fun. Rent, living expense, etc...who cares? In fact, because
we are all so nice to him when races don't go our way, he should just do it
for love!

I'll go out and watch you ride circles around the high school by yourself
tonight if it makes you feel better. I wish we could all be such hard men.

I'm sorry, but the only lame thing about canceling the crit tonight is this
email by you to the OBRA list.

Karsten Hagen

On 5/25/11 8:07 AM, "Steve Scarich" wrote:

> I don't want to be too harsh here, but cancelling a race because you might
> lose money is really lame. If it is going to be too dangerous for put on the
> race tonight, that is another matter. I promoted many races during the 80's
> and 90's. On some of them, I knew several days before the race that I would
> lose several hundred dollars. That hurt, but that is what defines a
> 'promoter', the opportunity to make or lose money as a result of your efforts.
> I went ahead and put on these events, knowing that some riders counted on me,
> and good name was a result of honoring my commitments. So, Matt, I do not
> want to be too tough on you, but you might want to reconsider your claim to
> the title 'promoter'.
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David Hart

That was only part of the reason. The weather has gone south for him. There
are more nice days coming so why waste it on crappy weather?

On May 25, 2011 8:07 AM, "Steve Scarich" wrote:

I don't want to be too harsh here, but cancelling a race because you might
lose money is really lame. If it is going to be too dangerous for put on the
race tonight, that is another matter. I promoted many races during the 80's
and 90's. On some of them, I knew several days before the race that I would
lose several hundred dollars. That hurt, but that is what defines a
'promoter', the opportunity to make or lose money as a result of your
efforts. I went ahead and put on these events, knowing that some riders
counted on me, and good name was a result of honoring my commitments. So,
Matt, I do not want to be too tough on you, but you might want to reconsider
your claim to the title 'promoter'.
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Steve Scarich

I don't want to be too harsh here, but cancelling a race because you might lose money is really lame. If it is going to be too dangerous for put on the race tonight, that is another matter. I promoted many races during the 80's and 90's. On some of them, I knew several days before the race that I would lose several hundred dollars. That hurt, but that is what defines a 'promoter', the opportunity to make or lose money as a result of your efforts. I went ahead and put on these events, knowing that some riders counted on me, and good name was a result of honoring my commitments. So, Matt, I do not want to be too tough on you, but you might want to reconsider your claim to the title 'promoter'.