Wheel building classes

Michael Mann

2011-06-23

+1 on Sugar Wheelworks. I was just in to talk to Jude this morning about
possibly taking a class with my son. Can't imagine a more helpful teacher,
and her new space on Williams is really nice.

Mike

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> From: David Rosen
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> Does anyone know where I might go to learn how to build wheels? Does
> anyone here do some teaching? I would like to learn how to build up some
> wheels for the upcoming CX season. I looked at the UBI website but didn’t
> see anything specific there, so I figured I would ask the group here and see
> what you all say. I am in Beaverton, so PDX area classes, etc. only.****
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trevpratt@aol.com

2011-06-23

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/wheelbuild.html

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From: David Rosen
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Subject: [OBRA Chat] Wheel building classes

Does anyone know where I might go to learn how to build wheels? Does anyone here do some teaching? I would like to learn how to build up some wheels for the upcoming CX season. I looked at the UBI website but didn’t see anything specific there, so I figured I would ask the group here and see what you all say. I am in Beaverton, so PDX area classes, etc. only.

Thanks.
Dave


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Ron and Dorothy Strasser

2011-06-23

I have to laugh. Posting "nothing" shows I really do not have enough oxygen to my brain.............fading, fading, fading :-)
Just build it David!
ron
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Maybe try a book? This is a great one:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0964983532/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=0960723668&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=00Y11JZ28PFMRYRB23WJ

It's got a step by step method for lacing and tensioning that works great.

This one is okay but not as good:
http://www.amazon.com/Bicycle-Wheel-3rd-Jobst-Brandt/dp/0960723668

-Erik

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 12:42 PM, David Rosen wrote:

Does anyone know where I might go to learn how to build wheels? Does anyone here do some teaching? I would like to learn how to build up some wheels for the upcoming CX season. I looked at the UBI website but didn’t see anything specific there, so I figured I would ask the group here and see what you all say. I am in Beaverton, so PDX area classes, etc. only.

Thanks.
Dave

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----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Wheel building classes

Maybe try a book? This is a great one:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0964983532/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=0960723668&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=00Y11JZ28PFMRYRB23WJ

It's got a step by step method for lacing and tensioning that works great.

This one is okay but not as good:
http://www.amazon.com/Bicycle-Wheel-3rd-Jobst-Brandt/dp/0960723668

-Erik

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 12:42 PM, David Rosen wrote:

Does anyone know where I might go to learn how to build wheels? Does anyone here do some teaching? I would like to learn how to build up some wheels for the upcoming CX season. I looked at the UBI website but didn’t see anything specific there, so I figured I would ask the group here and see what you all say. I am in Beaverton, so PDX area classes, etc. only.

Thanks.
Dave

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David Rosen

2011-06-23

I want to say thank you to everyone that responded to this question. I got
some great suggestions from books, to classes, to people with experience
offering to tutor me.

I need to weigh my options and pick something to go with. I find I like to
have more a hands on approach (as opposed to using a book as a guide), so I
will probably take one of the classes or the tutoring offers.

Again, thank you to everyone who replied.

Dave

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of David Rosen
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 12:43 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Wheel building classes

Does anyone know where I might go to learn how to build wheels? Does anyone
here do some teaching? I would like to learn how to build up some wheels for
the upcoming CX season. I looked at the UBI website but didn't see anything
specific there, so I figured I would ask the group here and see what you all
say. I am in Beaverton, so PDX area classes, etc. only.

Thanks.
Dave


A better way to start is to replace a bent rim or worn rim. get identical
rim or same ERD, tape the rim together and transfer the spokes over. then
just get the wheel quite true with just a bit of spoke tension, and then go
slow to pull full tension / dish etc. At about half tension i like to do a
run through with the tensiometer as well.

since even tension on all spokes results in a strong wheel, and if that is
your goal, try to stay away from highly dished wheels (yes that means 8/9/10
speed cassettes). An ocr rim helps.

if you build high dish anyway, like most do, then you will need to
compromise, nipple locking (pro-lock, or loctite, etc) on NDS spokes, or
super high tension in the DS spokes and hope your rim last the year before
it cracks out. I personally use nipple washers on spokes that will be
highly tensioned (this takes some care though too) and if i were using a
"professional wheelbuilder" and dropping big $$ I would insist that they do
as well.

By the way, if you are using high quality stainless spokes you really don't
need to replace them (if they were properly aligned/stress
relieved/tensioned and if they make it through the wheelbuilding
process...) This is really an Urban Myth. ( that spokes "wear out" and
need replacing). They don't. If you believe otherwise, you had better quit
going over steel bridges as well (assume maintained, ie not heavily
corroded) !

http://bikeeng.blogspot.com/2009/07/spoked-wheel-part-3-fatigue-cycles.html
You can probably watch something on you-tube as well ? placing the first
spoke and first lace around can be slightly confusing the first time. and
also watching exactly how to "stress relieve" would be nice also.
(actually what is happening is over-stressing the spokes, getting proper
alignment so spoke only has tension/shear and no bending at elbow, taking
advantage of bauschinger effect...)

spoke length selection etc is essential also. If you get it wrong(too long
or short) , ie sorry you have to un-lace and start over. Nipples need to be
nuts and in compression not in tension! I almost always measure rims
myself, just to make sure, because it is a lot of extra work if it is
wrong! And make sure you know how to measure, add for the nipple head also,
you want the spoke to be even or come a little through, like i said it
should be used as a nut in compression, not in tension !!

If i had the time, I would teach an advanced class for
wheelbuilders, covering the physics, materials, engineering, etc, etc..
Building a wheel is a simple thing, understanding the design, the
engineering, the nuances is quite another. Jobst does this a little, but
doesn't really cover low spoke counts, and the whole gambit. I would also
want to run more fea, so as to be able to show the tradeoff strength
differences of say 26" ver 700c, of various spokes counts and rim
profiles..
-john

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Brian Ratliff wrote:

> I learned using this website: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/wheelbuild.html
>
> Best way to do this is start with a wheel you already have and rebuild it
> with new spokes.
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 12:42 PM, David Rosen wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know where I might go to learn how to build wheels? Does
>> anyone here do some teaching? I would like to learn how to build up some
>> wheels for the upcoming CX season. I looked at the UBI website but didn’t
>> see anything specific there, so I figured I would ask the group here and see
>> what you all say. I am in Beaverton, so PDX area classes, etc. only.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Dave****
>>
>


mohair

2011-06-22

My 2 cents: Jobst Brandt's book "The Bicycle Wheel" is the total techno-geek book (I mean really, finite state analysis??? ) but gives a very good background of what a bicycle wheel truly is. I found that the book by Gerd Schraner "The Art of Wheelbuilding" to much more useful. The Sheldon Brown web site (www.sheldonbrown.com) is very useful.

If you find a class at a community college, bike shop, whatever, consider posting your experience.


Thom Schoenborn

2011-06-22

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From: David Rosen >
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:42:31 -0700
To: >
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Wheel building classes

Does anyone know where I might go to learn how to build wheels? Does anyone here do some teaching? I would like to learn how to build up some wheels for the upcoming CX season. I looked at the UBI website but didn’t see anything specific there, so I figured I would ask the group here and see what you all say. I am in Beaverton, so PDX area classes, etc. only.

Thanks.
Dave
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eric aldinger

2011-06-22

I used a combination of the Schraener book and Sheldon Brown's article

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/wheelbuild.html

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Mike Richardson wrote:

> UBI still offers them, as an advanced certification for shop mechanics:
>
>
> http://www.bikeschool.com/classes/mechanic-classes/advanced-certification-seminars#wheels
>
> but it might be more than you want to build your set.
>
> when I was in a shop, the Jobst book was the secret bible.
>
> Mike
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> --- On *Wed, 6/22/11, David Rosen * wrote:
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> From: David Rosen
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Wheel building classes
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 12:42 PM
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>
> Does anyone know where I might go to learn how to build wheels? Does
> anyone here do some teaching? I would like to learn how to build up some
> wheels for the upcoming CX season. I looked at the UBI website but didn’t
> see anything specific there, so I figured I would ask the group here and see
> what you all say. I am in Beaverton, so PDX area classes, etc. only.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
> Dave
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tony kic

2011-06-22

try tori... sounds like exactly what you are looking for.

http://www.gracieswrench.com/classes/wheel.php

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Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:42:31 -0700
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Wheel building classes

Does anyone know where I might go to learn how to build wheels? Does anyone here do some teaching? I would like to learn how to build up some wheels for the upcoming CX season. I looked at the UBI website but didn’t see anything specific there, so I figured I would ask the group here and see what you all say. I am in Beaverton, so PDX area classes, etc. only. Thanks.
Dave
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Mike Richardson

2011-06-22

UBI still offers them, as an advanced certification for shop mechanics:
 
http://www.bikeschool.com/classes/mechanic-classes/advanced-certification-seminars#wheels
 
but it might be more than you want to build your set.
 
when I was in a shop, the Jobst book was the secret bible.
 
Mike

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From: David Rosen
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Wheel building classes
To: obra@list.obra.org
Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 12:42 PM

Does anyone know where I might go to learn how to build wheels? Does anyone here do some teaching? I would like to learn how to build up some wheels for the upcoming CX season. I looked at the UBI website but didn’t see anything specific there, so I figured I would ask the group here and see what you all say. I am in Beaverton, so PDX area classes, etc. only.
 
Thanks.
Dave
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Brian Ratliff

2011-06-22

I learned using this website: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/wheelbuild.html

Best way to do this is start with a wheel you already have and rebuild it
with new spokes.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 12:42 PM, David Rosen wrote:

> Does anyone know where I might go to learn how to build wheels? Does anyone
> here do some teaching? I would like to learn how to build up some wheels for
> the upcoming CX season. I looked at the UBI website but didn’t see anything
> specific there, so I figured I would ask the group here and see what you all
> say. I am in Beaverton, so PDX area classes, etc. only.****
>
> ** **
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> Thanks.
> Dave****
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Paul Lopez

2011-06-22

Tori Bortman - Gracies Wrench

http://gracieswrench.com/

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 12:42 PM, David Rosen wrote:

> Does anyone know where I might go to learn how to build wheels? Does anyone
> here do some teaching? I would like to learn how to build up some wheels for
> the upcoming CX season. I looked at the UBI website but didn’t see anything
> specific there, so I figured I would ask the group here and see what you all
> say. I am in Beaverton, so PDX area classes, etc. only.****
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks.
> Dave****
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Erik Voldengen

2011-06-22

Maybe try a book? This is a great one:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0964983532/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=0960723668&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=00Y11JZ28PFMRYRB23WJ

It's got a step by step method for lacing and tensioning that works great.

This one is okay but not as good:
http://www.amazon.com/Bicycle-Wheel-3rd-Jobst-Brandt/dp/0960723668

-Erik

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 12:42 PM, David Rosen wrote:

> Does anyone know where I might go to learn how to build wheels? Does anyone
> here do some teaching? I would like to learn how to build up some wheels for
> the upcoming CX season. I looked at the UBI website but didn’t see anything
> specific there, so I figured I would ask the group here and see what you all
> say. I am in Beaverton, so PDX area classes, etc. only.****
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks.
> Dave****
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David Rosen

2011-06-22

Does anyone know where I might go to learn how to build wheels? Does anyone
here do some teaching? I would like to learn how to build up some wheels for
the upcoming CX season. I looked at the UBI website but didn't see anything
specific there, so I figured I would ask the group here and see what you all
say. I am in Beaverton, so PDX area classes, etc. only.

Thanks.
Dave