Michael Medina

In some cases numbness could enhance performance.

Michael Medina

craig austin

Numb junk would probably solve a great many of the world's problems, Mike.

Craig

On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Mike Murray wrote:

> Seems to me that if there was a large number of people who had a problem
> and there was a product that improved that problem that product would sell.
> No talking about numb junk would be needed. Of course there is the idea that
> having your junk go numb might be the whole point. It gives you a chance to
> think about something else.
> Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brady Brady
> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 17:13:25
> To: mike.murray@obra.org; obra@list.obra.org<
> obra@list.obra.org>
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Important information for people who spend time
> onabike
>
> Such data would be difficult to collect observationally, because most
> people aren't going to speak about this as freely as they would their cool
> new (insert bike part here). Doesn't mean it's not out there, or not an
> issue.
>
> "Who here beats their spouse?"
> "Who here pees in their shower?"
> "Who here gets tingling junk and decreased 'performance' off the bike?"
>
> Anyone who thinks that these questions are as likely to elicit an honest
> response as "Who here likes (insert cold, refreshing beverage of choice
> here) after a great ride?" is simply kidding themselves.
>
> At one point, there wasn't much evidence for a round earth, either.
>
>
> (I am going to write this down... I think this is the first time I've
> disagreed with Mike--ever!)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6/29/11 9:44 AM, "Mike Murray" wrote:
>
> >Anecdote is not data. There is not much to indicate that the millions of
> >men world wide who are riding bikes regularly are being damaged by
> >traditional bike saddles. YMMV
> >Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Fergus Kinnell
> >Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> >Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 09:28:57
> >To: obra
> >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Important information for people who spend time
> >on
> > abike
> >
> >I respectfully disagree that this is fear mongering from the NYT.
> >
> >Upon reengaging with cycling about five years ago, I was experiencing
> >numbness after long rides. After buying an ISM seat, numbness is not a
> >concern.
> >
> >Though I get some grief for my, "silly seat" from fellow riders, I'm very
> >glad to be riding on it and being kind to my body.
> >
> >Thank you,
> >
> >Fergus
> >
> >
> >On Jun 28, 2011, at 9:28 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
> >
> >> Another media "be afraid" item. This has been hashed over many times.
> >>The reason why the silly seats don't sell is because no one really sees
> >>the need for them. If they were as good as the author suggests people
> >>would use them.
> >> Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> >>
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> >> From: Fergus Kinnell
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> >> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 19:58:52
> >> To: obra
> >> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Important information for people who spend time on
> >>a
> >> bike
> >>
> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/28/science/28tier.html
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Mike Murray

Seems to me that if there was a large number of people who had a problem and there was a product that improved that problem that product would sell. No talking about numb junk would be needed. Of course there is the idea that having your junk go numb might be the whole point. It gives you a chance to think about something else.
Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: Brady Brady
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 17:13:25
To: mike.murray@obra.org; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Important information for people who spend time
onabike

Such data would be difficult to collect observationally, because most
people aren't going to speak about this as freely as they would their cool
new (insert bike part here). Doesn't mean it's not out there, or not an
issue.

"Who here beats their spouse?"
"Who here pees in their shower?"
"Who here gets tingling junk and decreased 'performance' off the bike?"

Anyone who thinks that these questions are as likely to elicit an honest
response as "Who here likes (insert cold, refreshing beverage of choice
here) after a great ride?" is simply kidding themselves.

At one point, there wasn't much evidence for a round earth, either.

(I am going to write this down... I think this is the first time I've
disagreed with Mike--ever!)

On 6/29/11 9:44 AM, "Mike Murray" wrote:

>Anecdote is not data. There is not much to indicate that the millions of
>men world wide who are riding bikes regularly are being damaged by
>traditional bike saddles. YMMV
>Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Fergus Kinnell
>Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 09:28:57
>To: obra
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Important information for people who spend time
>on
> abike
>
>I respectfully disagree that this is fear mongering from the NYT.
>
>Upon reengaging with cycling about five years ago, I was experiencing
>numbness after long rides. After buying an ISM seat, numbness is not a
>concern.
>
>Though I get some grief for my, "silly seat" from fellow riders, I'm very
>glad to be riding on it and being kind to my body.
>
>Thank you,
>
>Fergus
>
>
>On Jun 28, 2011, at 9:28 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
>
>> Another media "be afraid" item. This has been hashed over many times.
>>The reason why the silly seats don't sell is because no one really sees
>>the need for them. If they were as good as the author suggests people
>>would use them.
>> Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Fergus Kinnell
>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 19:58:52
>> To: obra
>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Important information for people who spend time on
>>a
>> bike
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/28/science/28tier.html
>>_______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
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