Fwd: wasting your time

Mike Murray

2011-07-18

The hacking theory has been resolved and is inaccurate. There is no conflict present or need for anyone to worry or post about this issue again.

Mike Murray

-----Original Message-----
From: joec@aracnet.com [mailto:joec@aracnet.com]
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 10:35 AM
To: mike.murray@obra.org
Cc: obra
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: wasting your time

General rule of thumb when it comes to 'hacked' or misappropriated
accounts:
1 - Does the message seem odd or out of place?
2 - Does the content seem consistent with the normal interactions you
(the 3rd-party reference) have had with the sender?

As far as the message that started this fiasco, it certainly sounds out
of place based on my interactions with and conversations with John. I
certainly
wouldnt rule out a bogus email as being sent (but one never knows).

I know Ron/Dorothy have had odd email sent from their account (Comcast
is
legendary for their email/account insecurity) as well as other members
who
have had their accounts hijacked in order to send spam messages. There
have
also been several 'users' who have somehow gained access to the OBRA
Chat
and blatantly spewed spam to the list. These users were never members
of
OBRA and were likely using an injection form of attack to find new
victims.

My proposal for dealing with this would be to arm a message with a
tactical
nuke and return it to the 'person' who sent the message. The collateral
damage
would be widespread, but it would take out a huge number of compromised
servers
and possibly the spammers/scammers themselves. :^)

Joe

On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 09:21:59 -0700, "Mike Murray"
wrote:
> The header on the original note is the way it was when it arrived in
> my in box. I reposted to the OBRA list primarily because a reply from
> John to a note I had written to those associated with the track races
> this Tuesday track race had been copied to the OBRA list. Hacking is
> always a possibility. I am not aware that there is any conflict
> between John and Candi or me.
>
> Mike Murray
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> On Behalf Of joec@aracnet.com
> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 08:49 AM
> To: Long, Steve
> Cc: obra
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: wasting your time
>
> There seems to have been an increase in the hacking of email accounts
> of late. I have noticed it here on the OBRA list with several posters
> over the last month or so.
>
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 08:44:26 -0700, "Long, Steve"
> wrote:
>> Kind of sounds out-of-character for John also. I'd be surprised to
>> hear him talk that way.
>>
>> FROM: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
>> ON BEHALF OF David Rosen
>> SENT: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:42 AM
>> TO: 'obra'
>> SUBJECT: Re: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: wasting your time
>>
>> Could it be the email account was hi-jacked and this is merely spam/
>> troll/ ID theft? That's pretty out of line if this is not the case.
>>
>> FROM: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
>> ON BEHALF OF Adrian Richardson
>> SENT: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:12 AM
>> TO: obra
>> SUBJECT: Re: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: wasting your time
>>
>> Sounds sarcastic to me; would be nice to know the context before
>> drawing conclusions... this coming from a very neutral standpoint;
>> despite my initial reaction.
>>
>> -A
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:02 AM, johnfforbes@comcast.net [1] wrote:
>>
>> Seriously out of line, racist and suffused with an overwhelming air of
>> entitlement. No class
>>
>> _Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless_
>>
>> -----Original message-----
>>
>> FROM: Mike Murray
>> To: obra@list.obra.org [4]
>> Sent: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 14:15:07 GMT+00:00
>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: wasting your time
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "John Benenate" [jfbenenate@yahoo.com [5]]
>> Date: 07/18/2011 02:30
>> To: cmurray@obra.org [6]
>> CC: mike.murray@obra.org [7]
>> Subject: wasting your time
>>
>> Who are the best cyclists in your peloton, and how much more shit do
>> you want to
>> flick me?
>>
>> Do you know what it feels like to be under your white-ass scrutiny?
>>
>> And your sophomoric Gresham - ass judgment?
>> I bought my dog at the Gresham Puppy Farm and named her GRESHAM.
>>
>> Be White.
>> Be the BoSS and name yourself "IN CONTROL."
>>
>> When you want to do right for AMERICA...
>> Contact me.
>> My name is John Benenate, and I have been at your service for a
>> decade.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org [8]
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra [9]
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org [10]
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> obra@list.obra.org [11]
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra [12]
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org [13]
>>
>> This e-mail and related attachments and any response may be subject
>> to public disclosure under state law.
>>
>> Links:
>> ------
>> [1] mailto:johnfforbes@comcast.net
>> [2] mailto:johnfforbes@comcast.net
>> [3] mailto:mike.murray@obra.org
>> [4] mailto:obra@list.obra.org
>> [5] mailto:jfbenenate@yahoo.com
>> [6] mailto:cmurray@obra.org
>> [7] mailto:mike.murray@obra.org
>> [8] mailto:obra@list.obra.org
>> [9] http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> [10] mailto:obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>> [11] mailto:obra@list.obra.org
>> [12] http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> [13] mailto:obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
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eric aldinger

2011-07-18

I cannot see John saying anything like that. It does not sync with the
atheletes he works with and the respect he affords his team. I could see
someone accessing his account from the shared computer in his house, and
sending this as a (bad) joke.

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 10:35 AM, wrote:

> General rule of thumb when it comes to 'hacked' or misappropriated
> accounts:
> 1 - Does the message seem odd or out of place?
> 2 - Does the content seem consistent with the normal interactions you
> (the 3rd-party reference) have had with the sender?
>
> As far as the message that started this fiasco, it certainly sounds out
> of place based on my interactions with and conversations with John. I
> certainly
> wouldnt rule out a bogus email as being sent (but one never knows).
>
> I know Ron/Dorothy have had odd email sent from their account (Comcast
> is
> legendary for their email/account insecurity) as well as other members
> who
> have had their accounts hijacked in order to send spam messages. There
> have
> also been several 'users' who have somehow gained access to the OBRA
> Chat
> and blatantly spewed spam to the list. These users were never members
> of
> OBRA and were likely using an injection form of attack to find new
> victims.
>
> My proposal for dealing with this would be to arm a message with a
> tactical
> nuke and return it to the 'person' who sent the message. The collateral
> damage
> would be widespread, but it would take out a huge number of compromised
> servers
> and possibly the spammers/scammers themselves. :^)
>
> Joe
>
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 09:21:59 -0700, "Mike Murray"
> wrote:
> > The header on the original note is the way it was when it arrived in
> > my in box. I reposted to the OBRA list primarily because a reply from
> > John to a note I had written to those associated with the track races
> > this Tuesday track race had been copied to the OBRA list. Hacking is
> > always a possibility. I am not aware that there is any conflict
> > between John and Candi or me.
> >
> > Mike Murray
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> > On Behalf Of joec@aracnet.com
> > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 08:49 AM
> > To: Long, Steve
> > Cc: obra
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: wasting your time
> >
> > There seems to have been an increase in the hacking of email accounts
> > of late. I have noticed it here on the OBRA list with several posters
> > over the last month or so.
> >
> > On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 08:44:26 -0700, "Long, Steve"
> > wrote:
> >> Kind of sounds out-of-character for John also. I'd be surprised to
> >> hear him talk that way.
> >>
> >> FROM: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> >> ON BEHALF OF David Rosen
> >> SENT: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:42 AM
> >> TO: 'obra'
> >> SUBJECT: Re: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: wasting your time
> >>
> >> Could it be the email account was hi-jacked and this is merely spam/
> >> troll/ ID theft? That's pretty out of line if this is not the case.
> >>
> >> FROM: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> >> ON BEHALF OF Adrian Richardson
> >> SENT: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:12 AM
> >> TO: obra
> >> SUBJECT: Re: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: wasting your time
> >>
> >> Sounds sarcastic to me; would be nice to know the context before
> >> drawing conclusions... this coming from a very neutral standpoint;
> >> despite my initial reaction.
> >>
> >> -A
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:02 AM, johnfforbes@comcast.net [1] wrote:
> >>
> >> Seriously out of line, racist and suffused with an overwhelming air of
> >> entitlement. No class
> >>
> >> _Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless_
> >>
> >> -----Original message-----
> >>
> >> FROM: Mike Murray
> >> To: obra@list.obra.org [4]
> >> Sent: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 14:15:07 GMT+00:00
> >> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: wasting your time
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: "John Benenate" [jfbenenate@yahoo.com [5]]
> >> Date: 07/18/2011 02:30
> >> To: cmurray@obra.org [6]
> >> CC: mike.murray@obra.org [7]
> >> Subject: wasting your time
> >>
> >> Who are the best cyclists in your peloton, and how much more shit do
> >> you want to
> >> flick me?
> >>
> >> Do you know what it feels like to be under your white-ass scrutiny?
> >>
> >> And your sophomoric Gresham - ass judgment?
> >> I bought my dog at the Gresham Puppy Farm and named her GRESHAM.
> >>
> >> Be White.
> >> Be the BoSS and name yourself "IN CONTROL."
> >>
> >> When you want to do right for AMERICA...
> >> Contact me.
> >> My name is John Benenate, and I have been at your service for a
> >> decade.
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> OBRA mailing list
> >> obra@list.obra.org [8]
> >> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra [9]
> >> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org [10]
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> OBRA mailing list
> >> obra@list.obra.org [11]
> >> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra [12]
> >> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org [13]
> >>
> >> This e-mail and related attachments and any response may be subject
> >> to public disclosure under state law.
> >>
> >> Links:
> >> ------
> >> [1] mailto:johnfforbes@comcast.net
> >> [2] mailto:johnfforbes@comcast.net
> >> [3] mailto:mike.murray@obra.org
> >> [4] mailto:obra@list.obra.org
> >> [5] mailto:jfbenenate@yahoo.com
> >> [6] mailto:cmurray@obra.org
> >> [7] mailto:mike.murray@obra.org
> >> [8] mailto:obra@list.obra.org
> >> [9] http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> >> [10] mailto:obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >> [11] mailto:obra@list.obra.org
> >> [12] http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> >> [13] mailto:obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

--
Eric Aldinger


Robert Burney

2011-07-18

There is lots of speculation and chatter about this, and it is all a waste
of time and energy. If Mike needs to, he can just call John and find out
what is going on. Or another friend of John's should call him so he can
either confirm he wrote the message, or that his account was hacked.
Move on.
Robert

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-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of joec@aracnet.com
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 10:35 AM
To: mike.murray@obra.org
Cc: obra
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: wasting your time

General rule of thumb when it comes to 'hacked' or misappropriated
accounts:
1 - Does the message seem odd or out of place?
2 - Does the content seem consistent with the normal interactions you
(the 3rd-party reference) have had with the sender?

As far as the message that started this fiasco, it certainly sounds out of
place based on my interactions with and conversations with John. I certainly
wouldnt rule out a bogus email as being sent (but one never knows).

I know Ron/Dorothy have had odd email sent from their account (Comcast is
legendary for their email/account insecurity) as well as other members who
have had their accounts hijacked in order to send spam messages. There have
also been several 'users' who have somehow gained access to the OBRA Chat
and blatantly spewed spam to the list. These users were never members of
OBRA and were likely using an injection form of attack to find new victims.

My proposal for dealing with this would be to arm a message with a tactical
nuke and return it to the 'person' who sent the message. The collateral
damage would be widespread, but it would take out a huge number of
compromised servers and possibly the spammers/scammers themselves. :^)

Joe

On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 09:21:59 -0700, "Mike Murray"
wrote:
> The header on the original note is the way it was when it arrived in
> my in box. I reposted to the OBRA list primarily because a reply from
> John to a note I had written to those associated with the track races
> this Tuesday track race had been copied to the OBRA list. Hacking is
> always a possibility. I am not aware that there is any conflict
> between John and Candi or me.
>
> Mike Murray
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> On Behalf Of joec@aracnet.com
> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 08:49 AM
> To: Long, Steve
> Cc: obra
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: wasting your time
>
> There seems to have been an increase in the hacking of email accounts
> of late. I have noticed it here on the OBRA list with several posters
> over the last month or so.
>
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 08:44:26 -0700, "Long, Steve"
> wrote:
>> Kind of sounds out-of-character for John also. I'd be surprised to
>> hear him talk that way.
>>
>> FROM: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
>> ON BEHALF OF David Rosen
>> SENT: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:42 AM
>> TO: 'obra'
>> SUBJECT: Re: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: wasting your time
>>
>> Could it be the email account was hi-jacked and this is merely spam/
>> troll/ ID theft? That's pretty out of line if this is not the case.
>>
>> FROM: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
>> ON BEHALF OF Adrian Richardson
>> SENT: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:12 AM
>> TO: obra
>> SUBJECT: Re: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: wasting your time
>>
>> Sounds sarcastic to me; would be nice to know the context before
>> drawing conclusions... this coming from a very neutral standpoint;
>> despite my initial reaction.
>>
>> -A
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:02 AM, johnfforbes@comcast.net [1] wrote:
>>
>> Seriously out of line, racist and suffused with an overwhelming air
>> of entitlement. No class
>>
>> _Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless_
>>
>> -----Original message-----
>>
>> FROM: Mike Murray
>> To: obra@list.obra.org [4]
>> Sent: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 14:15:07 GMT+00:00
>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: wasting your time
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "John Benenate" [jfbenenate@yahoo.com [5]]
>> Date: 07/18/2011 02:30
>> To: cmurray@obra.org [6]
>> CC: mike.murray@obra.org [7]
>> Subject: wasting your time
>>
>> Who are the best cyclists in your peloton, and how much more shit do
>> you want to flick me?
>>
>> Do you know what it feels like to be under your white-ass scrutiny?
>>
>> And your sophomoric Gresham - ass judgment?
>> I bought my dog at the Gresham Puppy Farm and named her GRESHAM.
>>
>> Be White.
>> Be the BoSS and name yourself "IN CONTROL."
>>
>> When you want to do right for AMERICA...
>> Contact me.
>> My name is John Benenate, and I have been at your service for a
>> decade.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org [8]
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra [9]
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org [10]
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org [11]
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra [12]
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org [13]
>>
>> This e-mail and related attachments and any response may be subject
>> to public disclosure under state law.
>>
>> Links:
>> ------
>> [1] mailto:johnfforbes@comcast.net
>> [2] mailto:johnfforbes@comcast.net
>> [3] mailto:mike.murray@obra.org
>> [4] mailto:obra@list.obra.org
>> [5] mailto:jfbenenate@yahoo.com
>> [6] mailto:cmurray@obra.org
>> [7] mailto:mike.murray@obra.org
>> [8] mailto:obra@list.obra.org
>> [9] http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> [10] mailto:obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>> [11] mailto:obra@list.obra.org
>> [12] http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> [13] mailto:obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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joec@aracnet.com

2011-07-18

General rule of thumb when it comes to 'hacked' or misappropriated
accounts:
1 - Does the message seem odd or out of place?
2 - Does the content seem consistent with the normal interactions you
(the 3rd-party reference) have had with the sender?

As far as the message that started this fiasco, it certainly sounds out
of place based on my interactions with and conversations with John. I
certainly
wouldnt rule out a bogus email as being sent (but one never knows).

I know Ron/Dorothy have had odd email sent from their account (Comcast
is
legendary for their email/account insecurity) as well as other members
who
have had their accounts hijacked in order to send spam messages. There
have
also been several 'users' who have somehow gained access to the OBRA
Chat
and blatantly spewed spam to the list. These users were never members
of
OBRA and were likely using an injection form of attack to find new
victims.

My proposal for dealing with this would be to arm a message with a
tactical
nuke and return it to the 'person' who sent the message. The collateral
damage
would be widespread, but it would take out a huge number of compromised
servers
and possibly the spammers/scammers themselves. :^)

Joe

On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 09:21:59 -0700, "Mike Murray"
wrote:
> The header on the original note is the way it was when it arrived in
> my in box. I reposted to the OBRA list primarily because a reply from
> John to a note I had written to those associated with the track races
> this Tuesday track race had been copied to the OBRA list. Hacking is
> always a possibility. I am not aware that there is any conflict
> between John and Candi or me.
>
> Mike Murray
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> On Behalf Of joec@aracnet.com
> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 08:49 AM
> To: Long, Steve
> Cc: obra
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: wasting your time
>
> There seems to have been an increase in the hacking of email accounts
> of late. I have noticed it here on the OBRA list with several posters
> over the last month or so.
>
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 08:44:26 -0700, "Long, Steve"
> wrote:
>> Kind of sounds out-of-character for John also. I'd be surprised to
>> hear him talk that way.
>>
>> FROM: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
>> ON BEHALF OF David Rosen
>> SENT: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:42 AM
>> TO: 'obra'
>> SUBJECT: Re: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: wasting your time
>>
>> Could it be the email account was hi-jacked and this is merely spam/
>> troll/ ID theft? That's pretty out of line if this is not the case.
>>
>> FROM: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
>> ON BEHALF OF Adrian Richardson
>> SENT: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:12 AM
>> TO: obra
>> SUBJECT: Re: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: wasting your time
>>
>> Sounds sarcastic to me; would be nice to know the context before
>> drawing conclusions... this coming from a very neutral standpoint;
>> despite my initial reaction.
>>
>> -A
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:02 AM, johnfforbes@comcast.net [1] wrote:
>>
>> Seriously out of line, racist and suffused with an overwhelming air of
>> entitlement. No class
>>
>> _Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless_
>>
>> -----Original message-----
>>
>> FROM: Mike Murray
>> To: obra@list.obra.org [4]
>> Sent: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 14:15:07 GMT+00:00
>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: wasting your time
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "John Benenate" [jfbenenate@yahoo.com [5]]
>> Date: 07/18/2011 02:30
>> To: cmurray@obra.org [6]
>> CC: mike.murray@obra.org [7]
>> Subject: wasting your time
>>
>> Who are the best cyclists in your peloton, and how much more shit do
>> you want to
>> flick me?
>>
>> Do you know what it feels like to be under your white-ass scrutiny?
>>
>> And your sophomoric Gresham - ass judgment?
>> I bought my dog at the Gresham Puppy Farm and named her GRESHAM.
>>
>> Be White.
>> Be the BoSS and name yourself "IN CONTROL."
>>
>> When you want to do right for AMERICA...
>> Contact me.
>> My name is John Benenate, and I have been at your service for a
>> decade.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org [8]
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra [9]
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org [10]
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org [11]
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra [12]
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org [13]
>>
>> This e-mail and related attachments and any response may be subject
>> to public disclosure under state law.
>>
>> Links:
>> ------
>> [1] mailto:johnfforbes@comcast.net
>> [2] mailto:johnfforbes@comcast.net
>> [3] mailto:mike.murray@obra.org
>> [4] mailto:obra@list.obra.org
>> [5] mailto:jfbenenate@yahoo.com
>> [6] mailto:cmurray@obra.org
>> [7] mailto:mike.murray@obra.org
>> [8] mailto:obra@list.obra.org
>> [9] http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> [10] mailto:obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>> [11] mailto:obra@list.obra.org
>> [12] http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> [13] mailto:obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
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Mike Murray

2011-07-18

The header on the original note is the way it was when it arrived in my in box. I reposted to the OBRA list primarily because a reply from John to a note I had written to those associated with the track races this Tuesday track race had been copied to the OBRA list. Hacking is always a possibility. I am not aware that there is any conflict between John and Candi or me.

Mike Murray

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of joec@aracnet.com
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 08:49 AM
To: Long, Steve
Cc: obra
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: wasting your time

There seems to have been an increase in the hacking of email accounts
of late. I have noticed it here on the OBRA list with several posters
over the last month or so.

On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 08:44:26 -0700, "Long, Steve"
wrote:
> Kind of sounds out-of-character for John also. I'd be surprised to
> hear him talk that way.
>
> FROM: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> ON BEHALF OF David Rosen
> SENT: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:42 AM
> TO: 'obra'
> SUBJECT: Re: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: wasting your time
>
> Could it be the email account was hi-jacked and this is merely spam/
> troll/ ID theft? That's pretty out of line if this is not the case.
>
> FROM: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> ON BEHALF OF Adrian Richardson
> SENT: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:12 AM
> TO: obra
> SUBJECT: Re: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: wasting your time
>
> Sounds sarcastic to me; would be nice to know the context before
> drawing conclusions... this coming from a very neutral standpoint;
> despite my initial reaction.
>
> -A
>
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:02 AM, johnfforbes@comcast.net [1] wrote:
>
> Seriously out of line, racist and suffused with an overwhelming air of
> entitlement. No class
>
> _Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless_
>
> -----Original message-----
>
> FROM: Mike Murray
> To: obra@list.obra.org [4]
> Sent: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 14:15:07 GMT+00:00
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: wasting your time
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "John Benenate" [jfbenenate@yahoo.com [5]]
> Date: 07/18/2011 02:30
> To: cmurray@obra.org [6]
> CC: mike.murray@obra.org [7]
> Subject: wasting your time
>
> Who are the best cyclists in your peloton, and how much more shit do
> you want to
> flick me?
>
> Do you know what it feels like to be under your white-ass scrutiny?
>
> And your sophomoric Gresham - ass judgment?
> I bought my dog at the Gresham Puppy Farm and named her GRESHAM.
>
> Be White.
> Be the BoSS and name yourself "IN CONTROL."
>
> When you want to do right for AMERICA...
> Contact me.
> My name is John Benenate, and I have been at your service for a
> decade.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> obra@list.obra.org [8]
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra [9]
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org [10]
>
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org [11]
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra [12]
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org [13]
>
> This e-mail and related attachments and any response may be subject
> to public disclosure under state law.
>
> Links:
> ------
> [1] mailto:johnfforbes@comcast.net
> [2] mailto:johnfforbes@comcast.net
> [3] mailto:mike.murray@obra.org
> [4] mailto:obra@list.obra.org
> [5] mailto:jfbenenate@yahoo.com
> [6] mailto:cmurray@obra.org
> [7] mailto:mike.murray@obra.org
> [8] mailto:obra@list.obra.org
> [9] http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> [10] mailto:obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> [11] mailto:obra@list.obra.org
> [12] http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> [13] mailto:obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org

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Brendon Gallant

2011-07-18

I'm failing to see how this needed to be sent to the entire OBRA list...

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:48 AM, wrote:

> There seems to have been an increase in the hacking of email accounts
> of late. I have noticed it here on the OBRA list with several posters
> over the last month or so.
>
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 08:44:26 -0700, "Long, Steve"
> wrote:
> > Kind of sounds out-of-character for John also. I'd be surprised to
> > hear him talk that way.
> >
> > FROM: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> > ON BEHALF OF David Rosen
> > SENT: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:42 AM
> > TO: 'obra'
> > SUBJECT: Re: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: wasting your time
> >
> > Could it be the email account was hi-jacked and this is merely spam/
> > troll/ ID theft? That's pretty out of line if this is not the case….
> >
> > FROM: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> > ON BEHALF OF Adrian Richardson
> > SENT: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:12 AM
> > TO: obra
> > SUBJECT: Re: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: wasting your time
> >
> > Sounds sarcastic to me; would be nice to know the context before
> > drawing conclusions... this coming from a very neutral standpoint;
> > despite my initial reaction.
> >
> > -A
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:02 AM, johnfforbes@comcast.net [1] wrote:
> >
> > Seriously out of line, racist and suffused with an overwhelming air of
> > entitlement. No class
> >
> > _Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless_
> >
> > -----Original message-----
> >
> > FROM: Mike Murray
> > To: obra@list.obra.org [4]
> > Sent: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 14:15:07 GMT+00:00
> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: wasting your time
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "John Benenate" [jfbenenate@yahoo.com [5]]
> > Date: 07/18/2011 02:30
> > To: cmurray@obra.org [6]
> > CC: mike.murray@obra.org [7]
> > Subject: wasting your time
> >
> > Who are the best cyclists in your peloton, and how much more shit do
> > you want to
> > flick me?
> >
> > Do you know what it feels like to be under your white-ass scrutiny?
> >
> > And your sophomoric Gresham - ass judgment?
> > I bought my dog at the Gresham Puppy Farm and named her GRESHAM.
> >
> > Be White.
> > Be the BoSS and name yourself "IN CONTROL."
> >
> > When you want to do right for AMERICA...
> > Contact me.
> > My name is John Benenate, and I have been at your service for a
> > decade.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org [8]
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra [9]
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org [10]
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org [11]
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra [12]
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org [13]
> >
> > This e-mail and related attachments and any response may be subject
> > to public disclosure under state law.
> >
> > Links:
> > ------
> > [1] mailto:johnfforbes@comcast.net
> > [2] mailto:johnfforbes@comcast.net
> > [3] mailto:mike.murray@obra.org
> > [4] mailto:obra@list.obra.org
> > [5] mailto:jfbenenate@yahoo.com
> > [6] mailto:cmurray@obra.org
> > [7] mailto:mike.murray@obra.org
> > [8] mailto:obra@list.obra.org
> > [9] http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > [10] mailto:obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> > [11] mailto:obra@list.obra.org
> > [12] http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > [13] mailto:obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
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Brendon Gallant


Long, Steve

2011-07-18

Kind of sounds out-of-character for John also. I'd be surprised to hear
him talk that way.

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of David Rosen
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:42 AM
To: 'obra'
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: wasting your time

Could it be the email account was hi-jacked and this is merely spam/
troll/ ID theft? That's pretty out of line if this is not the case....

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Adrian Richardson
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:12 AM
To: obra
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: wasting your time

Sounds sarcastic to me; would be nice to know the context before drawing
conclusions... this coming from a very neutral standpoint; despite my
initial reaction.

-A

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:02 AM, johnfforbes@comcast.net
wrote:

Seriously out of line, racist and suffused with an overwhelming air of
entitlement. No class

Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless

-----Original message-----

From: Mike Murray
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 14:15:07 GMT+00:00
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: wasting your time

-----Original Message-----
From: "John Benenate" [jfbenenate@yahoo.com]
Date: 07/18/2011 02:30
To: cmurray@obra.org
CC: mike.murray@obra.org
Subject: wasting your time

Who are the best cyclists in your peloton, and how much more shit do you
want to
flick me?

Do you know what it feels like to be under your white-ass scrutiny?

And your sophomoric Gresham - ass judgment?
I bought my dog at the Gresham Puppy Farm and named her GRESHAM.

Be White.
Be the BoSS and name yourself "IN CONTROL."

When you want to do right for AMERICA...
Contact me.
My name is John Benenate, and I have been at your service for a decade.

_______________________________________________
OBRA mailing list
obra@list.obra.org
http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org

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David Rosen

2011-07-18

Could it be the email account was hi-jacked and this is merely spam/ troll/
ID theft? That's pretty out of line if this is not the case..

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Adrian Richardson
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:12 AM
To: obra
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: wasting your time

Sounds sarcastic to me; would be nice to know the context before drawing
conclusions... this coming from a very neutral standpoint; despite my
initial reaction.

-A

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:02 AM, johnfforbes@comcast.net
wrote:

Seriously out of line, racist and suffused with an overwhelming air of
entitlement. No class

Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless

-----Original message-----

From: Mike Murray
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 14:15:07 GMT+00:00
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: wasting your time

-----Original Message-----
From: "John Benenate" [jfbenenate@yahoo.com]
Date: 07/18/2011 02:30
To: cmurray@obra.org
CC: mike.murray@obra.org
Subject: wasting your time

Who are the best cyclists in your peloton, and how much more shit do you
want to
flick me?

Do you know what it feels like to be under your white-ass scrutiny?

And your sophomoric Gresham - ass judgment?
I bought my dog at the Gresham Puppy Farm and named her GRESHAM.

Be White.
Be the BoSS and name yourself "IN CONTROL."

When you want to do right for AMERICA...
Contact me.
My name is John Benenate, and I have been at your service for a decade.

_______________________________________________
OBRA mailing list
obra@list.obra.org
http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org

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Adrian Richardson

2011-07-18

Sounds sarcastic to me; would be nice to know the context before drawing
conclusions... this coming from a very neutral standpoint; despite my
initial reaction.

-A

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:02 AM, johnfforbes@comcast.net <
johnfforbes@comcast.net> wrote:

> Seriously out of line, racist and suffused with an overwhelming air of
> entitlement. No class
>
> *Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless*
>
>
> -----Original message-----
>
> *From: *Mike Murray *
> To: *obra@list.obra.org*
> Sent: *Mon, Jul 18, 2011 14:15:07 GMT+00:00*
> Subject: *[OBRA Chat] Fwd: wasting your time
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "John Benenate" [jfbenenate@yahoo.com]
> Date: 07/18/2011 02:30
> To: cmurray@obra.org
> CC: mike.murray@obra.org
> Subject: wasting your time
>
> Who are the best cyclists in your peloton, and how much more shit do you
> want to
> flick me?
>
> Do you know what it feels like to be under your white-ass scrutiny?
>
> And your sophomoric Gresham - ass judgment?
> I bought my dog at the Gresham Puppy Farm and named her GRESHAM.
>
> Be White.
> Be the BoSS and name yourself "IN CONTROL."
>
> When you want to do right for AMERICA...
> Contact me.
> My name is John Benenate, and I have been at your service for a decade.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
>


johnfforbes@comcast.net

2011-07-18

Seriously out of line, racist and suffused with an overwhelming air of
entitlement. No class

Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless

-----Original message-----
From: Mike Murray
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 14:15:07 GMT+00:00
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: wasting your time

-----Original Message-----
From: "John Benenate" [jfbenenate@yahoo.com]
Date: 07/18/2011 02:30
To: cmurray@obra.org
CC: mike.murray@obra.org
Subject: wasting your time

Who are the best cyclists in your peloton, and how much more shit do you
want to
flick me?

Do you know what it feels like to be under your white-ass scrutiny?

And your sophomoric Gresham - ass judgment?
I bought my dog at the Gresham Puppy Farm and named her GRESHAM.

Be White.
Be the BoSS and name yourself "IN CONTROL."

When you want to do right for AMERICA...
Contact me.
My name is John Benenate, and I have been at your service for a decade.

_______________________________________________
OBRA mailing list
obra@list.obra.org
http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org


Mike Murray

2011-07-18

-----Original Message-----
From: "John Benenate" [jfbenenate@yahoo.com]
Date: 07/18/2011 02:30
To: cmurray@obra.org
CC: mike.murray@obra.org
Subject: wasting your time

Who are the best cyclists in your peloton, and how much more shit do you want to
flick me?

Do you know what it feels like to be under your white-ass scrutiny?

And your sophomoric Gresham - ass judgment?
I bought my dog at the Gresham Puppy Farm and named her GRESHAM.

Be White.
Be the BoSS and name yourself "IN CONTROL."

When you want to do right for AMERICA...
Contact me.
My name is John Benenate, and I have been at your service for a decade.