I'm not sure whether anyone else has mentioned this yet, but may I suggest that those who have been harassed by this driver issue a citizen citation if the police are unwilling to cite him for his egregious behavior.
Check bike lawyer Ray Thomas' website for his article Citizen Prosecution of Dangerous Drivers
A Users' Guide on How Others Have Done It
and How You Can Do It for Yourself
http://www.stc-law.com/citizenprosecutions.html
Please let his boss know what sort of bad behavior his employee is committing. Gunther is an old man who owns the company, and ran another large business, that he sold later in life. He has Scott run this business out of his house, with his name on it anymore, and probably doesn't know what goes on.
gunther@guntherweiss.com
Where is our "Kung Fu Jew" when we need him?!
On 8/17/2011 4:12 PM, Long, Steve wrote:
> This guy will likely not stop until the police go knocking on his door,
> if then.
> When this type of thing happens and the menacing thing is a dog, Animal
> Control can be called and they will go out to the dog owner's house and
> have a little chat with them. If it happens again, there is usually
> another chat and maybe a ticket and if it happens again....
>
> If this were an abuse case, what would happen is one victim would come
> forward, then another would come forward and maybe another.
> It sounds like several people have experienced this guy's menacing
> behavior and it would be very helpful for those people to also come
> forward and maybe reference the report (to the police) of the original
> poster. In this fashion, the police might be willing to pay him a visit
> and help to calm him down. When an individual's behavior is dangerous to
> society, society can and often will step in to reduce the risk to said
> society.
> Posts to this list about people experiencing this guy's behavior will
> not change his behavior.
>
> I don't even like to ride up in that area because I've heard too many
> reports of this kind of behavior in that area on this list.
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of rondot@spiritone.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 4:02 PM
> To: Ben Fischler; OBRA list list
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Rock Creek Driver
>
> IMO
> All you people who ride out there should just start "friendly saturation
>
> rides" on "his roadway". Yes film it if he decides to repeat his
> tactics.
> The laws are pretty darn clear about cycling on roadways. He really has
> no
> legal grounds to stand on....only his word against yours if you are
> alone
> when he does his thing.
> Honestly it sounds like the guy needs a mental evaluation or just some
> appropriate meds (not beer!) to calm him down. He probably also has
> high
> blood pressure so "everything" is a bother to him. Be careful alone
> however.... that is where he perceives he has the most power over
> cyclists.
> He needs to be reported for sure when he does this type of thing!
> ronnie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Fischler
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 1:17 PM
> To: OBRA list list
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Rock Creek Driver
>
> Sad truth, but a work friend in San Francisco had few too many close
> calls
> and got himself a GoPro for the exclusive purpose of recording his
> *commutes* to video.
>
> Anecdotal evidence after several months is that people behave *WAY*
> better
> when they see a camera on your helmet.
>
> AnimationMentor.com
> [ ben.fischler@gmail.com ]
>
> On Aug 17, 2011, at 1:12 PM, Darell wrote:
>
>> And remember to get it on video
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This guy will likely not stop until the police go knocking on his door,
if then.
When this type of thing happens and the menacing thing is a dog, Animal
Control can be called and they will go out to the dog owner's house and
have a little chat with them. If it happens again, there is usually
another chat and maybe a ticket and if it happens again....
If this were an abuse case, what would happen is one victim would come
forward, then another would come forward and maybe another.
It sounds like several people have experienced this guy's menacing
behavior and it would be very helpful for those people to also come
forward and maybe reference the report (to the police) of the original
poster. In this fashion, the police might be willing to pay him a visit
and help to calm him down. When an individual's behavior is dangerous to
society, society can and often will step in to reduce the risk to said
society.
Posts to this list about people experiencing this guy's behavior will
not change his behavior.
I don't even like to ride up in that area because I've heard too many
reports of this kind of behavior in that area on this list.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of rondot@spiritone.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 4:02 PM
To: Ben Fischler; OBRA list list
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Rock Creek Driver
IMO
All you people who ride out there should just start "friendly saturation
rides" on "his roadway". Yes film it if he decides to repeat his
tactics.
The laws are pretty darn clear about cycling on roadways. He really has
no
legal grounds to stand on....only his word against yours if you are
alone
when he does his thing.
Honestly it sounds like the guy needs a mental evaluation or just some
appropriate meds (not beer!) to calm him down. He probably also has
high
blood pressure so "everything" is a bother to him. Be careful alone
however.... that is where he perceives he has the most power over
cyclists.
He needs to be reported for sure when he does this type of thing!
ronnie
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Fischler
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 1:17 PM
To: OBRA list list
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Rock Creek Driver
Sad truth, but a work friend in San Francisco had few too many close
calls
and got himself a GoPro for the exclusive purpose of recording his
*commutes* to video.
Anecdotal evidence after several months is that people behave *WAY*
better
when they see a camera on your helmet.
AnimationMentor.com
[ ben.fischler@gmail.com ]
On Aug 17, 2011, at 1:12 PM, Darell wrote:
> And remember to get it on video
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IMO
All you people who ride out there should just start "friendly saturation
rides" on "his roadway". Yes film it if he decides to repeat his tactics.
The laws are pretty darn clear about cycling on roadways. He really has no
legal grounds to stand on....only his word against yours if you are alone
when he does his thing.
Honestly it sounds like the guy needs a mental evaluation or just some
appropriate meds (not beer!) to calm him down. He probably also has high
blood pressure so "everything" is a bother to him. Be careful alone
however.... that is where he perceives he has the most power over cyclists.
He needs to be reported for sure when he does this type of thing!
ronnie
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Fischler
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 1:17 PM
To: OBRA list list
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Rock Creek Driver
Sad truth, but a work friend in San Francisco had few too many close calls
and got himself a GoPro for the exclusive purpose of recording his
*commutes* to video.
Anecdotal evidence after several months is that people behave *WAY* better
when they see a camera on your helmet.
AnimationMentor.com
[ ben.fischler@gmail.com ]
On Aug 17, 2011, at 1:12 PM, Darell wrote:
> And remember to get it on video
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Sad truth, but a work friend in San Francisco had few too many close calls and got himself a GoPro for the exclusive purpose of recording his *commutes* to video.
Anecdotal evidence after several months is that people behave *WAY* better when they see a camera on your helmet.
AnimationMentor.com
[ ben.fischler@gmail.com ]
On Aug 17, 2011, at 1:12 PM, Darell wrote:
> And remember to get it on video
The unnecessary use of a horn is a violation, following too closely is a violation. Depending on how closely he follows and the totality of the circumstances could potentially be argued as reckless driving and or reckless endangering both misdemeanor traffic crimes. Since everyone now knows who this guy is the citizen initiation of violation process is quite easy, would certainly be worth looking at that route for those of us who have been his victims.
Gregg
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On Aug 17, 2011, at 12:27, steve holmes wrote:
> I have also ran into this guy on more than one occasion, my wife on two occasions, and my guess anyone who rides in this area has at one point been at least buzzed by this guy, whether they know it or not. He is an A #1 prick and definitely has it out for all cyclists It turns out I know someone who knows him and has heard him say "Roads are for cars and if you're on the road and I hit you - your fault. Period." His latest tactic is to sit on the bike wheel and blare his horn for as long as he feels or you go into the ditch. I don't know what can be done about him. I'm not about to ride "somewhere else". I love riding skyline and the hills in this region and I rarely have any problems with motorists and one a-hole is not going to run us off. That would tell him his bullying was all worth it. Unfortunately, I don't think cops are going to be of any help unless he breaks the law. Is constant unneccessary harrassment against the law?
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And remember to get it on video
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Darell"
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 20:11:37
To: steve holmes; ; OBRA
Reply-To: darellp@easystreet.net
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Rock Creek Driver
Get Chauncey Curl or Greg Magnus to ride in front of his house and see what happens.
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-----Original Message-----
From: steve holmes
Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.orgDate: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:27:27
To:
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Rock Creek Driver
I have also ran into this guy on more than one occasion, my wife on two occasions, and my guess anyone who rides in this area has at one point been at least buzzed by this guy, whether they know it or not. He is an A #1 prick and definitely has it out for all cyclists It turns out I know someone who knows him and has heard him say "Roads are for cars and if you're on the road and I hit you - your fault. Period." His latest tactic is to sit on the bike wheel and blare his horn for as long as he feels or you go into the ditch. I don't know what can be done about him. I'm not about to ride "somewhere else". I love riding skyline and the hills in this region and I rarely have any problems with motorists and one a-hole is not going to run us off. That would tell him his bullying was all worth it. Unfortunately, I don't think cops are going to be of any help unless he breaks the law. Is constant unneccessary harrassment against the law?
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Get Chauncey Curl or Greg Magnus to ride in front of his house and see what happens.
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-----Original Message-----
From: steve holmes
Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.orgDate: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:27:27
To:
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Rock Creek Driver
I have also ran into this guy on more than one occasion, my wife on two occasions, and my guess anyone who rides in this area has at one point been at least buzzed by this guy, whether they know it or not. He is an A #1 prick and definitely has it out for all cyclists It turns out I know someone who knows him and has heard him say "Roads are for cars and if you're on the road and I hit you - your fault. Period." His latest tactic is to sit on the bike wheel and blare his horn for as long as he feels or you go into the ditch. I don't know what can be done about him. I'm not about to ride "somewhere else". I love riding skyline and the hills in this region and I rarely have any problems with motorists and one a-hole is not going to run us off. That would tell him his bullying was all worth it. Unfortunately, I don't think cops are going to be of any help unless he breaks the law. Is constant unneccessary harrassment against the law?
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I have also ran into this guy on more than one occasion, my wife on two occasions, and my guess anyone who rides in this area has at one point been at least buzzed by this guy, whether they know it or not. He is an A #1 prick and definitely has it out for all cyclists It turns out I know someone who knows him and has heard him say "Roads are for cars and if you're on the road and I hit you - your fault. Period." His latest tactic is to sit on the bike wheel and blare his horn for as long as he feels or you go into the ditch. I don't know what can be done about him. I'm not about to ride "somewhere else". I love riding skyline and the hills in this region and I rarely have any problems with motorists and one a-hole is not going to run us off. That would tell him his bullying was all worth it. Unfortunately, I don't think cops are going to be of any help unless he breaks the law. Is constant unneccessary harrassment against the law?
Thank goodness for that-
Go get 'em, Mark!!
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On Aug 16, 2011, at 3:53 PM, wrote:
> Leave it to our own Mr Ginsberg to swoop in. :)
>
> On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:50:50 -0700 (PDT), "Mark J. Ginsberg"
> wrote:
>> Brianna,
>>
>> please contact me off list.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> Mark J. Ginsberg
>> Berkshire Ginsberg, LLC
>> Attorneys At Law
>> 1216 SE Belmont St.
>> Portland, OR 97214
>> (503) 542-3000
>> Fax (503) 233-6874
>> markjginsberg@yahoo.com
>> www.bikesafetylaw.com
>>
>> -------------------------
>> FROM: Kevin
>> TO: "kenji@obra.org" ; ""
>> SENT: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 3:45 PM
>> SUBJECT: Re: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: Rock Creek Driver
>>
>> Thanks for the heads up. These kind of people rarely act out just
>> once. He'll likely continue until something happens to change his
>> behavior. Just an FYI, you can't find anything on a three foot rule
>> because Oregon does not have one. (Washington does) Oregon says a
>> vehicle traveling in a 35mph or greater zone (thank Tri-Met for the
>> "downtown exemption") must pass a cyclist at a distance as to not hit
>> the cyclist if the cyclist were to tip over. I've been told that it's
>> written that way because it's easy for a driver to visualize that
>> distance.
>>
>> Thanks again for the info, I ride in that are frequently.
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> What is happening in Kevin's corner of the bike world?
>> http://the-whir-of-spokes-in-air.blogspot.com
>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>> -------------------------
>> FROM: T. Kenji Sugahara
>> TO: ""
>> SENT: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 2:19 PM
>> SUBJECT: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: Rock Creek Driver
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Brianna Walle
>> Date: Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 11:28 AM
>> Subject: RE: FW: Your message to OBRA awaits moderator approval
>>
>> I filed a report with police already- could you post the message on
>> OBRAland chat?
>>
>> " Be careful riding on NW Rock Creek Road (Portland, OR). A month
>> ago, I was descending down NW Rock Creek Road (Dropped down from
>> Skyline). The lanes are double, solid lines with no shoulder (ditch)
>> and only a few places to turn off. About ¼ mile into descent, a
>> motorist tailed me and started honking (aggressively). I pulled to
>> the far edge (borderline gravel) and signaled to pass (no on-coming
>> traffic and at this point we were on a flat). He would not pass so I
>> kept riding a SLOW pace (5 mph) until he felt comfortable to pass. He
>> continued to honk and started creeping up on my back wheel. At this
>> point, I do not know what he wants and I'm freaking out. So I pull
>> over into ditch/gravel and expected him to stop and explain what's
>> going on. He revs up and blasts past me w/in inches of my face. That
>> freaked me out- I couldn't get tag # at time.
>>
>> Last Thursday, 8/11 at around the same time (6:20pm) the same guy
>> crept up near the same spot, going about 45mph and slammed on breaks
>> w/in feet of me and started the aggressive honking again. At this
>> point I was riding on the edge, signaling him to pass. He continued
>> to honk and ride my back wheel for another 10th of a mile until I
>> stopped, he stopped, and I proceeded to chat with him at his window.
>> Trying to stay calm. He started yelling out some statute "You are a
>> slower moving vehicle and MUST pull over to side of road since you are
>> slower than traffic! I can't pass you on a double line". As I started
>> to explain my reasoning, he drove off. This time I managed to get
>> this tag #. He didn't allow me an opportunity to explain why I can't
>> simply "pull off"= ditch, gravel, etc and unsafe. Based on this
>> situation, it's obvious to me that this guy lives locally and has
>> aggression toward cyclists. If I dig into his brain, he's probably fed
>> up with cyclist riding on "his turf", God forbid he has to wait an
>> extra 10-15 seconds and can't speed at 60 MPH. It's clear to me he
>> has aggressive intentions and who knows what will happen next time I'm
>> riding (or anyone else) on that road. I've road numerous times on this
>> road and never had issues- vehicles generally allow at least 3 feet
>> and pass around.
>>
>> I pulled over (NW Elliott and Rock Creek RD) and called the sheriff to
>> report the incident. A sheriff was supposed to meet me but failed to
>> show (after 40 mins of waiting) so I'm going in today in person to
>> file the report. As I started my descent down Rock Creek, I spotted
>> him turn into his driveway and captured his address.
>> Here are the details of the driver/resident for your information.
>> My intention is to inform our community:
>>> . Vehicle Tag #: 069 FEC
>>> . Auto: Toyota Tundra (?) light red not sure on year. He was towing
>> a flatbed trailer (about 5 x 7 feet) at time.
>>> . Description: white male, over-weight, about age 45-50, white hair
>> and beard. Aggressive
>>> . Address: 14640 NW Rock Creek Road, Portland, OREGON- last name
>> "Wheeler"
>> There is numerous muddled, confusing information about 3 foot rule
>> passing cyclists and crossing double line to do so. I can't seem to
>> find anything conclusive. Point is that I felt threatened and I'm
>> sure I'm not the only one out there.
>>
>> I filed a report with Portland PD last week and hope to get a follow
>> up call as well. Be careful out there kids!"
>> _______________________________________________
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Is that a Citizen's Complaint I hear coming?...
Rick Johnson
Bend, Oregon
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One, it's completely impossible.
Two, it's possible, but it's not worth doing.
Three, I said it was a good idea all along.
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On 8/16/2011 3:53 PM, joec@aracnet.com wrote:
> Leave it to our own Mr Ginsberg to swoop in. :)
>
> On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:50:50 -0700 (PDT), "Mark J. Ginsberg"
> wrote:
>> Brianna,
>>
>> please contact me off list.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> Mark J. Ginsberg
>> Berkshire Ginsberg, LLC
>> Attorneys At Law
>> 1216 SE Belmont St.
>> Portland, OR 97214
>> (503) 542-3000
>> Fax (503) 233-6874
>> markjginsberg@yahoo.com
>> www.bikesafetylaw.com
>>
>> -------------------------
>> FROM: Kevin
>> TO: "kenji@obra.org" ; ""
>> SENT: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 3:45 PM
>> SUBJECT: Re: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: Rock Creek Driver
>>
>> Thanks for the heads up. These kind of people rarely act out just
>> once. He'll likely continue until something happens to change his
>> behavior. Just an FYI, you can't find anything on a three foot rule
>> because Oregon does not have one. (Washington does) Oregon says a
>> vehicle traveling in a 35mph or greater zone (thank Tri-Met for the
>> "downtown exemption") must pass a cyclist at a distance as to not hit
>> the cyclist if the cyclist were to tip over. I've been told that it's
>> written that way because it's easy for a driver to visualize that
>> distance.
>>
>> Thanks again for the info, I ride in that are frequently.
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> What is happening in Kevin's corner of the bike world?
>> http://the-whir-of-spokes-in-air.blogspot.com
>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>> -------------------------
>> FROM: T. Kenji Sugahara
>> TO: ""
>> SENT: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 2:19 PM
>> SUBJECT: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: Rock Creek Driver
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Brianna Walle
>> Date: Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 11:28 AM
>> Subject: RE: FW: Your message to OBRA awaits moderator approval
>>
>> I filed a report with police already- could you post the message on
>> OBRAland chat?
>>
>> " Be careful riding on NW Rock Creek Road (Portland, OR). A month
>> ago, I was descending down NW Rock Creek Road (Dropped down from
>> Skyline). The lanes are double, solid lines with no shoulder (ditch)
>> and only a few places to turn off. About ¼ mile into descent, a
>> motorist tailed me and started honking (aggressively). I pulled to
>> the far edge (borderline gravel) and signaled to pass (no on-coming
>> traffic and at this point we were on a flat). He would not pass so I
>> kept riding a SLOW pace (5 mph) until he felt comfortable to pass. He
>> continued to honk and started creeping up on my back wheel. At this
>> point, I do not know what he wants and I'm freaking out. So I pull
>> over into ditch/gravel and expected him to stop and explain what's
>> going on. He revs up and blasts past me w/in inches of my face. That
>> freaked me out- I couldn't get tag # at time.
>>
>> Last Thursday, 8/11 at around the same time (6:20pm) the same guy
>> crept up near the same spot, going about 45mph and slammed on breaks
>> w/in feet of me and started the aggressive honking again. At this
>> point I was riding on the edge, signaling him to pass. He continued
>> to honk and ride my back wheel for another 10th of a mile until I
>> stopped, he stopped, and I proceeded to chat with him at his window.
>> Trying to stay calm. He started yelling out some statute "You are a
>> slower moving vehicle and MUST pull over to side of road since you are
>> slower than traffic! I can't pass you on a double line". As I started
>> to explain my reasoning, he drove off. This time I managed to get
>> this tag #. He didn't allow me an opportunity to explain why I can't
>> simply "pull off"= ditch, gravel, etc and unsafe. Based on this
>> situation, it's obvious to me that this guy lives locally and has
>> aggression toward cyclists. If I dig into his brain, he's probably fed
>> up with cyclist riding on "his turf", God forbid he has to wait an
>> extra 10-15 seconds and can't speed at 60 MPH. It's clear to me he
>> has aggressive intentions and who knows what will happen next time I'm
>> riding (or anyone else) on that road. I've road numerous times on this
>> road and never had issues- vehicles generally allow at least 3 feet
>> and pass around.
>>
>> I pulled over (NW Elliott and Rock Creek RD) and called the sheriff to
>> report the incident. A sheriff was supposed to meet me but failed to
>> show (after 40 mins of waiting) so I'm going in today in person to
>> file the report. As I started my descent down Rock Creek, I spotted
>> him turn into his driveway and captured his address.
>> Here are the details of the driver/resident for your information.
>> My intention is to inform our community:
>>> . Vehicle Tag #: 069 FEC
>>> . Auto: Toyota Tundra (?) light red not sure on year. He was towing
>> a flatbed trailer (about 5 x 7 feet) at time.
>>> . Description: white male, over-weight, about age 45-50, white hair
>> and beard. Aggressive
>>> . Address: 14640 NW Rock Creek Road, Portland, OREGON- last name
>> "Wheeler"
>> There is numerous muddled, confusing information about 3 foot rule
>> passing cyclists and crossing double line to do so. I can't seem to
>> find anything conclusive. Point is that I felt threatened and I'm
>> sure I'm not the only one out there.
>>
>> I filed a report with Portland PD last week and hope to get a follow
>> up call as well. Be careful out there kids!"
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org [1]
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra [2]
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org [3]
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Leave it to our own Mr Ginsberg to swoop in. :)
On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:50:50 -0700 (PDT), "Mark J. Ginsberg"
wrote:
> Brianna,
>
> please contact me off list.
>
> thanks
>
> Mark
>
> Mark J. Ginsberg
> Berkshire Ginsberg, LLC
> Attorneys At Law
> 1216 SE Belmont St.
> Portland, OR 97214
> (503) 542-3000
> Fax (503) 233-6874
> markjginsberg@yahoo.com
> www.bikesafetylaw.com
>
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> FROM: Kevin
> TO: "kenji@obra.org" ; ""
> SENT: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 3:45 PM
> SUBJECT: Re: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: Rock Creek Driver
>
> Thanks for the heads up. These kind of people rarely act out just
> once. He'll likely continue until something happens to change his
> behavior. Just an FYI, you can't find anything on a three foot rule
> because Oregon does not have one. (Washington does) Oregon says a
> vehicle traveling in a 35mph or greater zone (thank Tri-Met for the
> "downtown exemption") must pass a cyclist at a distance as to not hit
> the cyclist if the cyclist were to tip over. I've been told that it's
> written that way because it's easy for a driver to visualize that
> distance.
>
> Thanks again for the info, I ride in that are frequently.
>
> Kevin
>
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>
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> FROM: T. Kenji Sugahara
> TO: ""
> SENT: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 2:19 PM
> SUBJECT: [OBRA Chat] Fwd: Rock Creek Driver
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Brianna Walle
> Date: Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 11:28 AM
> Subject: RE: FW: Your message to OBRA awaits moderator approval
>
> I filed a report with police already- could you post the message on
> OBRAland chat?
>
> " Be careful riding on NW Rock Creek Road (Portland, OR). A month
> ago, I was descending down NW Rock Creek Road (Dropped down from
> Skyline). The lanes are double, solid lines with no shoulder (ditch)
> and only a few places to turn off. About ¼ mile into descent, a
> motorist tailed me and started honking (aggressively). I pulled to
> the far edge (borderline gravel) and signaled to pass (no on-coming
> traffic and at this point we were on a flat). He would not pass so I
> kept riding a SLOW pace (5 mph) until he felt comfortable to pass. He
> continued to honk and started creeping up on my back wheel. At this
> point, I do not know what he wants and I'm freaking out. So I pull
> over into ditch/gravel and expected him to stop and explain what's
> going on. He revs up and blasts past me w/in inches of my face. That
> freaked me out- I couldn't get tag # at time.
>
> Last Thursday, 8/11 at around the same time (6:20pm) the same guy
> crept up near the same spot, going about 45mph and slammed on breaks
> w/in feet of me and started the aggressive honking again. At this
> point I was riding on the edge, signaling him to pass. He continued
> to honk and ride my back wheel for another 10th of a mile until I
> stopped, he stopped, and I proceeded to chat with him at his window.
> Trying to stay calm. He started yelling out some statute "You are a
> slower moving vehicle and MUST pull over to side of road since you are
> slower than traffic! I can't pass you on a double line". As I started
> to explain my reasoning, he drove off. This time I managed to get
> this tag #. He didn't allow me an opportunity to explain why I can't
> simply "pull off"= ditch, gravel, etc and unsafe. Based on this
> situation, it's obvious to me that this guy lives locally and has
> aggression toward cyclists. If I dig into his brain, he's probably fed
> up with cyclist riding on "his turf", God forbid he has to wait an
> extra 10-15 seconds and can't speed at 60 MPH. It's clear to me he
> has aggressive intentions and who knows what will happen next time I'm
> riding (or anyone else) on that road. I've road numerous times on this
> road and never had issues- vehicles generally allow at least 3 feet
> and pass around.
>
> I pulled over (NW Elliott and Rock Creek RD) and called the sheriff to
> report the incident. A sheriff was supposed to meet me but failed to
> show (after 40 mins of waiting) so I'm going in today in person to
> file the report. As I started my descent down Rock Creek, I spotted
> him turn into his driveway and captured his address.
> Here are the details of the driver/resident for your information.
> My intention is to inform our community:
>> . Vehicle Tag #: 069 FEC
>> . Auto: Toyota Tundra (?) light red not sure on year. He was towing
> a flatbed trailer (about 5 x 7 feet) at time.
>> . Description: white male, over-weight, about age 45-50, white hair
> and beard. Aggressive
>> . Address: 14640 NW Rock Creek Road, Portland, OREGON- last name
> "Wheeler"
> There is numerous muddled, confusing information about 3 foot rule
> passing cyclists and crossing double line to do so. I can't seem to
> find anything conclusive. Point is that I felt threatened and I'm
> sure I'm not the only one out there.
>
> I filed a report with Portland PD last week and hope to get a follow
> up call as well. Be careful out there kids!"
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