Rock creek rd

joec@aracnet.com

2011-08-19

Does anyone still have the email address of the woman who writes the
newsletter
for Skyline?

Joe

On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:22:58 +0000, joe50santos@gmail.com wrote:
> My advice is to get all of his victims together and have Ginsberg or
> Thomas assist with a "class action" citizen citation. A judge would
> love to hear of this pattern of aggression and mis-interpretation of
> the law. Only issue I see is some of the violations occurred in WA co
> and others in Mult county.
>
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Long, Steve

2011-08-19

It absolutely kills my heart to think that his past victims may not line
up to take this action. I sincerely hope you guys do. Please note that
doing so will be taking action for us all

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Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 10:23 AM
To: Long, Steve; obra-bounces@list.obra.org; Jerald Powell;
kenji@obra.org
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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Rock creek rd

My advice is to get all of his victims together and have Ginsberg or
Thomas assist with a "class action" citizen citation. A judge would
love to hear of this pattern of aggression and mis-interpretation of the
law. Only issue I see is some of the violations occurred in WA co and
others in Mult county.

Sent from my BlackBerry(r) smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect

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From: "Long, Steve"
Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.orgDate: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:07:50
To: Jerald Powell;
Cc:
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Rock creek rd

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jboquiren@comcast.net

2011-08-19

In the decade or so riding up Rock Creek Rd, I've never had any problems with any of the motorists or residents..
It has always been a beautiful quiet route with very little traffic of either the two-or-four wheeled variety.

It is a shame that a few people's attitudes can potentially cause suffering and pain for many of us :(
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From: "Steve Long"
To: "Jerald Powell" , kenji@obra.org
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 10:07:50 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Rock creek rd

That is not going to do anything to calm this guy down. This guy is going to kill someone and at that point, it will have been too late to say “I’m sorry, I behaved badly.”

Other action needs to be taken here and I’m not sure what that action is but perhaps a community meeting with some legal representation would help .

Steve

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Jerald Powell
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 9:52 AM
To: kenji@obra.org
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Rock creek rd

What a great idea! Symbolic maybe... but SO "in your face".

Jerry

On Aug 18, 2011, at 10:50 PM, T. Kenji Sugahara wrote:

Anyone know if Rock Creek Rd. has been adopted? e.g. adopt a road-
clean up etc.

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Lynne Cuevas < toyotapu996@yahoo.com > wrote:

I just talked to my neighbor about the incidents on Rock creek rd.

It seems that they are extremely pissed about cyclists hogging the road, spitting on them and in general being there at all. They need to drive on that road and they feel the road is not appropriate for bikes. They said several times that they are startled by the bikes in the road and that someone is going to get hurt or killed.

They also said that Scott has lots of money and is a very influential guy. I told them that I am a coutious rider and make every effort to be off the road or on the line for cars. They became extremely irritated and said if I choose to ride there that I get what I get. It has definetely strained relations with my neighbor. Now, we aren't just politically opposite but road use ideas as well. We agreed not to talk about it anymore.

One of the last things they said was that bikes shouldn't pretend to be cars.

Obviously his friend that is harrasing the cyclists thinks he has enough political pull and money to weather hitting a cyclist. It was a very disterbing and hard cconversation that didn't last long and left all of us in opposing corners of the ring. They clearly stated that being coutious and sharing the road doesn't mean squat! YOU DON'T BELONG THERE PERIOD. That was very clear.

Lynne

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Chris Alling

2011-08-19

I am continually amazed by people like this that take their perception of
the law and enforce it with potentially deadly force. I am probably one of
the assholes that people have been talking about but I do not move over and
I ride my bike where the right hand wheel of the car travels so the passing
car has to move over into the other lane to pass. I feel that if I do not do
this cars try to pass while someone is coming at me and scrape right by. It
also gives me a margin to the right if someone does decide to get to close
to me.

Chris

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Long, Steve
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 10:08 AM
To: Jerald Powell; kenji@obra.org
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Rock creek rd

That is not going to do anything to calm this guy down. This guy is going to
kill someone and at that point, it will have been too late to say "I'm
sorry, I behaved badly."

Other action needs to be taken here and I'm not sure what that action is but
perhaps a community meeting with some legal representation would help .

Steve

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Jerald Powell
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 9:52 AM
To: kenji@obra.org
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Rock creek rd

What a great idea! Symbolic maybe... but SO "in your face".

Jerry

On Aug 18, 2011, at 10:50 PM, T. Kenji Sugahara wrote:

Anyone know if Rock Creek Rd. has been adopted? e.g. adopt a road-
clean up etc.

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Lynne Cuevas wrote:

I just talked to my neighbor about the incidents on Rock creek rd.

It seems that they are extremely pissed about cyclists hogging the road,
spitting on them and in general being there at all. They need to drive on
that road and they feel the road is not appropriate for bikes. They said
several times that they are startled by the bikes in the road and that
someone is going to get hurt or killed.

They also said that Scott has lots of money and is a very influential guy.
I told them that I am a coutious rider and make every effort to be off the
road or on the line for cars. They became extremely irritated and said if I
choose to ride there that I get what I get. It has definetely strained
relations with my neighbor. Now, we aren't just politically opposite but
road use ideas as well. We agreed not to talk about it anymore.

One of the last things they said was that bikes shouldn't pretend to be
cars.

Obviously his friend that is harrasing the cyclists thinks he has enough
political pull and money to weather hitting a cyclist. It was a very
disterbing and hard cconversation that didn't last long and left all of us
in opposing corners of the ring. They clearly stated that being coutious
and sharing the road doesn't mean squat! YOU DON'T BELONG THERE PERIOD.
That was very clear.

Lynne

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community planning

1926 SW Madison

Portland, OR 97205

jerry@goosehollow.net

503 222 7173

503 799 7823 (cellular)

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Long, Steve

2011-08-19

That is not going to do anything to calm this guy down. This guy is
going to kill someone and at that point, it will have been too late to
say "I'm sorry, I behaved badly."

Other action needs to be taken here and I'm not sure what that action is
but perhaps a community meeting with some legal representation would
help .

Steve

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Jerald Powell
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 9:52 AM
To: kenji@obra.org
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Rock creek rd

What a great idea! Symbolic maybe... but SO "in your face".

Jerry

On Aug 18, 2011, at 10:50 PM, T. Kenji Sugahara wrote:

Anyone know if Rock Creek Rd. has been adopted? e.g. adopt a road-
clean up etc.

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Lynne Cuevas
wrote:

I just talked to my neighbor about the incidents on Rock creek rd.

It seems that they are extremely pissed about cyclists hogging
the road, spitting on them and in general being there at all. They need
to drive on that road and they feel the road is not appropriate for
bikes. They said several times that they are startled by the bikes in
the road and that someone is going to get hurt or killed.

They also said that Scott has lots of money and is a very
influential guy. I told them that I am a coutious rider and make every
effort to be off the road or on the line for cars. They became
extremely irritated and said if I choose to ride there that I get what I
get. It has definetely strained relations with my neighbor. Now, we
aren't just politically opposite but road use ideas as well. We agreed
not to talk about it anymore.

One of the last things they said was that bikes shouldn't
pretend to be cars.

Obviously his friend that is harrasing the cyclists thinks he
has enough political pull and money to weather hitting a cyclist. It
was a very disterbing and hard cconversation that didn't last long and
left all of us in opposing corners of the ring. They clearly stated
that being coutious and sharing the road doesn't mean squat! YOU DON'T
BELONG THERE PERIOD. That was very clear.

Lynne

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Phone: 503-278-5550
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Portland, OR 97205

jerry@goosehollow.net

503 222 7173

503 799 7823 (cellular)

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Jerald Powell

2011-08-19

What a great idea! Symbolic maybe... but SO "in your face".

Jerry

On Aug 18, 2011, at 10:50 PM, T. Kenji Sugahara wrote:

> Anyone know if Rock Creek Rd. has been adopted? e.g. adopt a road-
> clean up etc.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Lynne Cuevas wrote:
>> I just talked to my neighbor about the incidents on Rock creek rd.
>> It seems that they are extremely pissed about cyclists hogging the road, spitting on them and in general being there at all. They need to drive on that road and they feel the road is not appropriate for bikes. They said several times that they are startled by the bikes in the road and that someone is going to get hurt or killed.
>>
>> They also said that Scott has lots of money and is a very influential guy. I told them that I am a coutious rider and make every effort to be off the road or on the line for cars. They became extremely irritated and said if I choose to ride there that I get what I get. It has definetely strained relations with my neighbor. Now, we aren't just politically opposite but road use ideas as well. We agreed not to talk about it anymore.
>>
>> One of the last things they said was that bikes shouldn't pretend to be cars.
>>
>> Obviously his friend that is harrasing the cyclists thinks he has enough political pull and money to weather hitting a cyclist. It was a very disterbing and hard cconversation that didn't last long and left all of us in opposing corners of the ring. They clearly stated that being coutious and sharing the road doesn't mean squat! YOU DON'T BELONG THERE PERIOD. That was very clear.
>>
>> Lynne
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Portland, OR 97205

jerry@goosehollow.net

503 222 7173
503 799 7823 (cellular)


Dan H

2011-08-19

Cyclists spit on them?

On Aug 18, 2011, at 7:44 PM, Lynne Cuevas wrote:

> I just talked to my neighbor about the incidents on Rock creek rd.
> It seems that they are extremely pissed about cyclists hogging the road, spitting on them and in general being there at all. They need to drive on that road and they feel the road is not appropriate for bikes. They said several times that they are startled by the bikes in the road and that someone is going to get hurt or killed.
>
> They also said that Scott has lots of money and is a very influential guy. I told them that I am a coutious rider and make every effort to be off the road or on the line for cars. They became extremely irritated and said if I choose to ride there that I get what I get. It has definetely strained relations with my neighbor. Now, we aren't just politically opposite but road use ideas as well. We agreed not to talk about it anymore.
>
> One of the last things they said was that bikes shouldn't pretend to be cars.
>
> Obviously his friend that is harrasing the cyclists thinks he has enough political pull and money to weather hitting a cyclist. It was a very disterbing and hard cconversation that didn't last long and left all of us in opposing corners of the ring. They clearly stated that being coutious and sharing the road doesn't mean squat! YOU DON'T BELONG THERE PERIOD. That was very clear.
>
> Lynne
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Kevin

2011-08-19

Is it time for a group of us to go for a little bike ride up that way, fully legal riding, cameras rolling? I pay for that road too, it is not their place to dictate who may use it, or what mode of transportation they choose. So he has money and influence? Plenty of those kind of folks find themselves in jail.

On Thu Aug 18th, 2011 7:44 PM PDT Lynne Cuevas wrote:

>I just talked to my neighbor about the incidents on Rock creek rd.
>It seems that they are extremely pissed about cyclists hogging the road, spitting on them and in general being there at all. They need to drive on that road and they feel the road is not appropriate for bikes. They said several times that they are startled by the bikes in the road and that someone is going to get hurt or killed.
>
>They also said that Scott has lots of money and is a very influential guy. I told them that I am a coutious rider and make every effort to be off the road or on the line for cars. They became extremely irritated and said if I choose to ride there that I get what I get. It has definetely strained relations with my neighbor. Now, we aren't just politically opposite but road use ideas as well. We agreed not to talk about it anymore.
>
>One of the last things they said was that bikes shouldn't pretend to be cars.
>
>Obviously his friend that is harrasing the cyclists thinks he has enough political pull and money to weather hitting a cyclist. It was a very disterbing and hard cconversation that didn't last long and left all of us in opposing corners of the ring. They clearly stated that being coutious and sharing the road doesn't mean squat! YOU DON'T BELONG THERE PERIOD. That was very clear.
>
>Lynne
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Nestor Flores

2011-08-19

Speaking of gun fight, was wondering if any OBRA members are CCW holders or carry while riding for protection. I've been chased by dogs and had a coyote or two share some remote roads with me. After the Texas politician shot a coyote harassing his dog on a jog, I thought it safe to do the same. Touchy subject being in PDX I know there will be haters out there..

Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:51:12 -0700
From: toyotapu996@yahoo.com
To: toyotapu996@yahoo.com; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Rock creek rd

Guess I should have re-read my post befor hitting send. Sorry about the spelling. I am just kinda shook up about the conversation still.

I am very upset. Let me be clear here. Do not ride up there alone, these people are ready to hurt you. Of course it will be an accident. Do not challenge them. They are highly pissed and riding there is like bringing a knife to a gun fight.

From: Lynne Cuevas
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:44 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Rock creek rd

I just talked to my neighbor about the incidents on Rock creek rd.
It seems that they are extremely pissed about cyclists hogging the road, spitting on them and in general being there at all. They need to drive on that road and they feel the road is not appropriate for
bikes. They said several times that they are startled by the bikes in the road and that someone is going to get hurt or killed.

They also said that Scott has lots of money and is a very influential guy. I told them that I am a coutious rider and make every effort to be off the road or on the line for cars. They became extremely irritated and said if I choose to ride there that I get what I get. It has definetely strained relations with my neighbor. Now, we aren't just politically opposite but road use ideas as well. We agreed not to talk about it anymore.

One of the last things they said was that bikes shouldn't pretend to be cars.

Obviously his friend that is harrasing the cyclists thinks he has enough political pull and money to weather hitting a cyclist. It was a very disterbing and hard cconversation that didn't last long and left all of us in opposing corners of the ring. They
clearly stated that being coutious and sharing the road doesn't mean squat! YOU DON'T BELONG THERE PERIOD. That was very clear.

Lynne
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Lynne Cuevas

2011-08-19

I just talked to my neighbor about the incidents on Rock creek rd.
It seems that they are extremely pissed about cyclists hogging the road, spitting on them and in general being there at all. They need to drive on that road and they feel the road is not appropriate for bikes. They said several times that they are startled by the bikes in the road and that someone is going to get hurt or killed.

They also said that Scott has lots of money and is a very influential guy. I told them that I am a coutious rider and make every effort to be off the road or on the line for cars. They became extremely irritated and said if I choose to ride there that I get what I get. It has definetely strained relations with my neighbor. Now, we aren't just politically opposite but road use ideas as well. We agreed not to talk about it anymore.

One of the last things they said was that bikes shouldn't pretend to be cars.

Obviously his friend that is harrasing the cyclists thinks he has enough political pull and money to weather hitting a cyclist. It was a very disterbing and hard cconversation that didn't last long and left all of us in opposing corners of the ring. They clearly stated that being coutious and sharing the road doesn't mean squat! YOU DON'T BELONG THERE PERIOD. That was very clear.

Lynne