david scott
hey do i ask michael what size his cross bikes is?
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> 1. FS: 2010 Redline Cyclocross Conquest Team $500 (Michael Smelser)
> 2. Sat cross Nov 5 & 12 (rondot@spiritone.com)
> 3. Kenji or Candy Please Contact Off List (Justin Serna)
> 4. PDX Cross Academy (Scott Mares)
> 5. Tigard Crit Photos (leonard@hotfootphoto.com)
> 6. Results-Jr and Team Track Champs (Candi Murray)
> 7. Clark Henry (T. Kenji Sugahara)
> 8. Tigard Crit (kevin thompson)
> 9. Re: Tigard Crit (David Rosen)
> 10. Rock Creek - Involve Police Early and Often (Frank Selker)
> 11. Car vs Rider, again (Ron Magnus)
> 12. Re: Car vs Rider, again (brian buskirk)
> 13. FS: Klein Stage road bike/commuter (Jonathan Vinson)
> 14. Re: Car vs Rider, again (Rick Johnson)
> 15. FS: Dura-Ace carbon tubulars (Nathan Frechen)
> 16. WTB original Selle Italia Flite ti saddle (David Rasca)
> 17. Re: Car vs Rider, again (Gregg Magnus)
> 18. Re: Car vs Rider, again (Candi Murray)
> 19. Re: Car vs Rider, again (johnfforbes@comcast.net)
> 20. WTB: deep dish carbon wheels (christine jerko)
> 21. Re: Car vs Rider, again (T. Kenji Sugahara)
> 22. Re: Rock Creek - Involve Police Early and Often (Ben Fischler)
> 23. Re: rock creek guy (Edward Rubin)
> 24. FS: CX bike, Wheels, Shoes (Scott Mares)
> 25. FS: 2010 Giant TCX frameset w/ Ultegra group - small
> (Maire Osborn)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:53:22 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Michael Smelser
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: 2010 Redline Cyclocross Conquest Team $500
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> 2010 Redline Conquest Team cyclocross frame/fork+headset. ?58cm frame, built up once, ridden about 10 minutes and stripped down. ?I bought it to build up but never did, I found another bike instead. ?It's in perfect condition and I never built it up so I'm just selling it for what I bought it for. ?$500 takes it, you can email or call for pictures. ?It's red and black. ?541-905-5563 ?(Michael Smelser)
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> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Sat cross Nov 5 & 12
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> Kenji.....Promoters,
> On the schedule for Saturday November 5 there are two cross races. One is Apple Core that I suppose is in Salem again on a fun course. The Edgefield CX (same date) makes me believe we might be talking about the McM brothers vast holdings out toward Troutdale. Not knowing if these dates have some flex..... I saw there is NOTHING scheduled for the next Saturday in November (12th). It would seem these races might get better turnouts if one moved to the 12th. I have heard from a good number of people who are really want to race on Saturdays. Some just because that day works better for them and others who want to race both days. I urge promoters to look at this potential move if possible.
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> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:34:37 -0700
> From: Justin Serna
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Kenji or Candy Please Contact Off List
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> Or give me a call
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> Justin S.
> 503.209.7565
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:53:31 -0700
> From: Scott Mares
> To: "obra@list.obra.org"
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] PDX Cross Academy
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> Hi everyone! It's back to school time with cyclocross just around the
> corner. I will have cross clinics every Tuesday and Thursday nights near
> Mt. Tabor for the next 3 weeks at 6 pm. Tuesday night is just for women.
> Cost is $25/ night with a limit of 10 people per clinic. Contact me for
> registration and location: 719. 201. 0726 or email me at
> Scott@crossbikereview.com.
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> Scott
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:16:41 -0700
> From: "Candi Murray"
> To: "'obra'"
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Results-Jr and Team Track Champs
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> Place Number Last Name First Name Hometown Team
> Points Time
> Jr Men 10-12
> 1 5251 Clark Ben Portland Beaverton Bicycle Club 21
>
> 2 57 Mallon Santo Word RCB 15
> 3 5570 Campbell Willy Word RCB 6
> Jr Women 10-12
> 1 4669 Bergmann Maya Word RCB 9
> Jr Men 13-14
> 1 8061 McElroy Grant Portland Beaverton Bicycle Club 21
>
> 2 8055 O'Neill Keegan Portland Word-RCB 15
> 3 2955 Mallon Luca Word-RCB 9
> 4 8047 Fitzgerald Tom Portland Beaverton Bicycle
> Club 6
> 5 22 Field Rubin Field Jerger 3
> Jr Men 15-16
> 1 8088 Lee Dey Shaun Portland Word-RCB 17
>
> 2 8018 Bailey Killian Vancouver Beaverton Bicycle Club 12
>
> 3 4504 Pellman Naiqwann Word-RCB 12
> 4 5245 Ross Kent Portland Word-RCB 7
> 5 8017 Webb Emerson Portland Beaverton Bicycle Club 5
>
> Jr Women 13-14
> 1 McDade Hannah Tigard Beaverton Bicycle Club 21
> 2 Begmann Gillian Word-RCB 15
> Jr Men 17-18
> 1 Gann Stephen Landshark
> Jr Women 17-18
> 1 Bernardini Danni Word
>
> Couples Sprint
> 1 Bjesse Per Porland Pactimo 0:40.47
> 1 Bjesse-Puffin Amelia Portland Pactimo
> 2 Godfrey Mark Portland Bike Central
> 0:41.87
> 2 Godfrey Lynn Portland Bike Central
> 3 McLaughry Stephen Portland Bike Central
> 0:43.75
> 3 McLaughry Alexandra Portland Bike Central
>
> 4 Kessler Lara Portland Bouledogue Tout Noir
> 0:44.45
> 4 Kessler Chris Portland Bouledogue Tout Noir
>
> 5 Thiele Barb Team Rose City 0:46.96
> 5 Thiele Jim Team Rose City
> 6 Bennett Mike Portland Bike Central
> 0:47.22
> 6 Knoblock Anna Portland Bike Central
>
> 7 Sandoval Jose Sandoval
> 0:48.75
> 7 Sandoval Sharon Portland Ironclad Performance
> Wear
> Women Team print
> 1 Cobb Anissa Portland Tempo/KWC
> 0:41.54
> 1 Bjesse-Puffin Amelia Portland Pactimo
> 2 Popovich Erin Portland Tempo/KWC
> 0:43.32
> 2 Nelson Susannah Portland Tempo/KWC
>
> 3 Glover Erin Portland Bike Central
> 0:44.04
> 3 Godfrey Lynn Portland Bike Central
> 4 Bergman Gillian Portland Word-RCB
> 0:48.61
> 4 Bernadinni Danni Portland Word-RCB
>
> 5 Campbell Cindy Portland Word-RCB
> 1:01.15
> 5 Campbell Maya Portland Word-RCB
>
> Men Team Sprint
> 1 Fitzberald Jamie Hammer Velo
> 0:57.38
> 1 Kesselman Brian Diamond Law
> 1 Birman Dan Diamond Law
> 2 Kessler Chris Bouledogue Tout Noir
> 0:57.80
> 2 Urbanski Al Diamond Law
> 2 Kovalcik Zak Diamond Law
> 3 Godfrey Mark Bike Central 0:58.21
> 3 McLaughry Stephen Bike Central
> 3 Bigwood Bob Bike Central
> 4 Carder George The Goon Squad 0:58.33
> 4 Fleischmann Todd The Goon Squad
> 4 Duff Cameron The Goon Squad
> 5 Bigwood Bob Bike Central 0:59.66
> 5 Jacks Patrick Bike Central
> 5 Ratliff Brian The Goon Squad
> 6 Heib Ryan 1:00.14
> 6 Hammond Zack Tempo/KWC
> 6 Lee Ken Team ESC
> 7 Newell Derek The Goon Squad 1:02.35
> 7 Marrain Jeff The Goon Squad
> 7 Talley Kevin Bridgetown Velo
> 8 Ross Kent Word/RCB 1:03.78
> 8 Lee DeyShaun Word/RCB
> 8 Hansen Jake Word/RCB
> 9 LaVigne Jason Team Oregon 1:04.52
> 9 Vigeant Robert Team Oregon
> 9 Hemminger Stephen Team Oregon
> 19 O'Neill Keegan Word/RCB 1:07.10
> 10 Pellman Naiqwan Word/RCB
> 10 Tillstrom Nils Word/RCB
> 11 Smith Peter Word/RCB 1:07.31
> 11 Tillstrom Nils Word/RCB
> 11 Dick Dallas Word/RCB
> 12 Bergmann Timm Word/RCB
> 1:10.31
> 12 Stradley Sean Word/RCB
> 12 O'Neill chris Word/RCB
> 13 Campbell Willy Word/RCB
> 1:26.70
> 13 Mallon Luca Word/RCB
> 13 Mallon Santo Word/RCB
> Tandem Pursuit
> 1 Gann Glenn Landshark 4:04.70
> 1 Gann Stephen Landshark
> 2 Burney robert MAC 4:08.79
> 2 Moore Daphne Hammer Velo
> 3 O'Neill Keegan Ross Word/RCB 4:41.89
> 3 Ross Kent Word/RCB
>
> Team Pursuit
> 1 Urbanski Al Diamond Law
> 3:44.07
> 1 Hansen Jake Word/RCB
> 1 Kesselman Brian Diamond Law
> 1 Kovalcik Zak Diamond Law
> 2 Newell Derek The Goon Squad 3:54.32
> 2 Marrain Jeff The Goon Squad
> 2 Jacks Patrick Bike Central
> 2 Ratliff Brian The Goon Squad
> 3 LaVigne Justin Team Oregon 4:07.54
> 3 Vigeant Robert Team Oregon
> 3 Hemminger Stephen Team Oregon
> 4 Hansen Jake Word/RCB 4:18.55
> 4 Tillstrom Nils Word/RCB
> 4 Ross Kent Word/RCB
> 4 Lee DeyShaun Word/RCB
> 5 Stradley Sean Word/RCB
> 4:35.02
> 5 Pellman Naiqwan Word/RCB
> 5 O'Neill, Chris Keegan Word/RCB
> 5 Mallon Luca Word/RCB
> 6 O'Neill Chris Word/RCB 4:42.87
> 6 Bergmann Timm Word/RCB
> 6 Dick Dallas Word/RCB
> 6 Smith Peter Word/RCB
> Madison
> 1 Urbanski Al Diamond Law 23
> 1 Kovalcik Zak Diamond Law
> 2 Godfrey Mark Bike Central 12
> 2 Jacks Patrick Bike Central
> 3 Hansen Jake Word/RCB 8
> 3 Lee DeyShaun Word/RCB
> 4 Glover Erin Bike Central -40
> 4 McLaughry Stephen Bike Central
> Candi
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:18:15 -0700
> From: "T. Kenji Sugahara"
> To: ""
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Clark Henry
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> All-
>
> Clark Henry- one of our long time racers (and oldest active racer) was
> hit while riding his bike this morning. He is currently in the
> hospital with very serious injuries. Please keep him in your
> thoughts.
>
> --
> Kenji Sugahara
> Executive Director
> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
> Phone: ?503-278-5550
> http://www.obra.org
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:59:58 -0700
> From: kevin thompson
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tigard Crit
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> Thank you all for coming out to the first annual race. From my point of view (in the shade) it looked like a successful first attempt at that course.
>
> I feel really bad about Jamie M's day. I'm sorry.
>
> And Coker had another moment. Man I wish they made bike stuff strong enough...
>
> See you all at cross ... in about a week.
>
> Kevin Thompson
> HFV
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 21:20:11 -0700
> From: "David Rosen"
> To:
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tigard Crit
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> Thank you Kevin for putting on that race. It was a great course and everyone
> who missed should mark this down on their calendars as a crit to attend for
> next year.
>
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of kevin thompson
> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 9:00 PM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tigard Crit
>
> Thank you all for coming out to the first annual race. From my point of
> view (in the shade) it looked like a successful first attempt at that
> course.
>
> I feel really bad about Jamie M's day. I'm sorry.
>
> And Coker had another moment. Man I wish they made bike stuff strong
> enough...
>
> See you all at cross ... in about a week.
>
> Kevin Thompson
> HFV
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 21:45:32 -0700
> From: "Frank Selker"
> To:
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Rock Creek - Involve Police Early and Often
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> IMO re. Rock Creek:
>
>
>
> - This problem is exactly what law enforcement is for. Leave the
> implied force and confrontation to them - try not to get personally sucked
> in. Any judge would would quickly determine that, regardless of any
> argument he wishes to make, his behavior is unsafe, threatening, and not
> consistent with civil society. Everyone who has a run-in with him (or
> anyone else out there) must call the police (his suggestion of 911 is a fine
> one) and file a police report. Pictures or video would be great. They need
> to see a pattern and that they have a loon who is being a problem and needs
> guidance, starting with a nice talk and then moving to citations, a civil
> suit, or jail time. If anyone experiences any injury or bike damage as a
> result of his behavior, consider legal action. Use police and the law.
> Someone should also update them on the history.
>
> - Media is a risky route. You don't control their message, which
> could be unfavorable depending on the reporter, and it may bring out of
> other crazy bike-haters.
>
> - Community building should not focus on people with hardened and
> emotional positions like him, but to show normal people that cyclists aren't
> bad. But I have low expectations - one whacko shows up at the meeting and
> it's a wasted and unpleasant experience. My experience with Mt. biking
> activism is that hardened opponents aren't interested in talking but are
> interested in, and able to, sabotage such efforts.
>
> - As a distant second to involving law enforcement, I would
> consider figuring out who owns his company (could be him), and ask them if
> this is the kind of thing they want assocaited with it. They make
> specialized glass for eye surgery. Any cyclists up at Casey Eye institute?
> Be careful to not commit libel or slander (lawyers - advice?). Stick to
> your opinion, what you feel, your concern. Could mail carefully crafted
> things to their customers. It's something of a "scorched earth" approach
> that could create allies for him out there, but if nothing else is working
> and lives are at risk, I'd consider it.
>
> - He and others need to see that they are better off sharing the
> road and ending their crusade. It has to become a legal problem for them to
> act out.
>
>
>
> Frank Selker
>
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> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 21:56:09 -0700
> From: "Ron Magnus"
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> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Car vs Rider, again
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> Hello all,
>
> Another car vs rider crash this morning. Some of you know Clark, keep him
> in your thoughts for a complete recovery. Fortunately in this case it was
> not another hit and run, still a person is injured,
> http://www.kgw.com/news/neighborhood-news/beaverton/Bicyclist-hit-by-minivan
> -in-Beaverton-128125298.html
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:12:32 -0700
> From: brian buskirk
> To: Ron Magnus
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Car vs Rider, again
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> This is ridicules!!! she was not charged!!! wow cops are dumb. If a motorist
> has sun in their face and hits another car then they will get charged but,
> if the sun is in their eyes and hits and cyclist they don't get charged. wow
> this is really messed up! We need to take a stand and let people know we
> count too and they should look out for cyclist.
>
> On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Ron Magnus wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Another car vs rider crash this morning. Some of you know Clark, keep him
>> in your thoughts for a complete recovery. Fortunately in this case it was
>> not another hit and run, still a person is injured,
>>
>> http://www.kgw.com/news/neighborhood-news/beaverton/Bicyclist-hit-by-minivan
>> -in-Beaverton-128125298.html
>>
>>
>>
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> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 07:09:51 -0700
> From: Jonathan Vinson
> To: obra
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: Klein Stage road bike/commuter
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> For sale:
>
> Late 90's aluminum Klein "Stage" frame
> 55cm c-c seat tube, 57cm c-c top tube
> Rival 10-sp shifters
> Rival front/rear der
> Truvativ Elita 172.5mm cranks with external bearing BB
> Ritchey comp stem
> Salsa short & shallow bars
> Selle Italia Flite saddle
> Mavic cosmos rear wheel
>
> currently set up as a rain bike/commuter with:
> carbon cross fork, front avid disc brake, mavic MA40 front wheel, fenders,
> rear rack.
>
> or take off the fenders and rack and I'll give you a carbon road fork; it's
> a budget
> race bike.
>
> $300 for the lot. If no takers, I'll part it out.
>
> If you are a card-carrying OBRA junior racer, I will make you a screaming
> deal.
>
> Contact off-list please.
>
> Cheers,
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> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 08:02:46 -0700
> From: Rick Johnson
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Car vs Rider, again
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> Similar circumstances to just two days ago with a 7-year-old boy in
> Madras. Citations for careless driving and failure to yield to a
> pedestrian were issued.
>
> http://www.ktvz.com/news/28915504/detail.html
>
>
>
> On 8/20/2011 10:12 PM, brian buskirk wrote:
>> This is ridicules!!! she was not charged!!! wow cops are dumb. If a
>> motorist has sun in their face and hits another car then they will get
>> charged but, if the sun is in their eyes and hits and cyclist they
>> don't get charged. wow this is really messed up! We need to take a
>> stand and let people know we count too and they should look out for
>> cyclist.
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Ron Magnus > > wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Another car vs rider crash this morning. Some of you know Clark,
>> keep him
>> in your thoughts for a complete recovery. Fortunately in this
>> case it was
>> not another hit and run, still a person is injured,
>> http://www.kgw.com/news/neighborhood-news/beaverton/Bicyclist-hit-by-minivan
>> -in-Beaverton-128125298.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 08:33:13 -0700
> From: Nathan Frechen
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: Dura-Ace carbon tubulars
> Message-ID: <4e5125396b403_8f464008c635c36250@lizard.obra.org.mail>
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> Shimano Dura-Ace carbon tubulars.
>
> 50mm full carbon deep rim, 8-9-10spd freehbub.
>
> Ridden a handful of times by the original owner, never ridden by myself. Just had a pair of Vittoria Corsa Evo SC tires glued on, have seen about 20 feet of pavement total (rolled around driveway).
>
> Includes wheel bags, skewers, and yellow brake pads.
>
> $1000. Contact me if interested.
>
> -nathan
>
>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 08:45:54 -0700
> From: David Rasca
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] WTB original Selle Italia Flite ti saddle
> Message-ID: <4e5128326db62_8f444008c635c51233@lizard.obra.org.mail>
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> Looking for an original Flite saddle for my cross bike. If you have an old one lying around you'd sell please contact me. Condition doesn't have to be perfect, or even close to perfect. Call, text, or email. Thanks, Dave
> david_rasca@hotmail.com
> 503-851-1517
>
>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 09:04:49 -0700
> From: Gregg Magnus
> To: , Dad
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Car vs Rider, again
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>
> Brian I don't know you but I do know from your ranting email that you have no clue how law enforcement, courts and the entire legal system works, so I reccomend that in the future before you make your self look like a jerk you educate yourself first.
>
> For those of you that don't know me my name is Gregg Magnus. I have grown up in the OBRA community since I was a child and love this sport and apparently I just found out I am a "dumb" Beaverton Police Officer.
>
> I was working yesterday when Clark was hit, I wasn't at the scene but I have been following this closely with the officers who are handling it.
>
> Brian here is a little education for you, so hopefully you can learn something about how these processes work.
>
> First at crashes or other calls where there are signifiant injuries many times no charges are filed right away, a thorough investigation must be conducted first to determine if a crime has been committed and what level of crime to charge.
> Second, flight risk is evaluated can a complete investigation be done before an arrest? Worked out with a experts in the area of question, District Attorneys, etc. Do we have to worry about threat to the victim or others?
>
> I don't know if criminal charges or a traffic citation will be filed on the driver at this point. I can assure you that this is being throughly investigated and because its a car vs cyclists its not being overlooked.
>
> I guess I will close with this, Brian or anyone else if you have a concern about how things are handled in Beaverton please look me up I can certainly look into anything, as far as any general law enforcement questions I am more than willing to help out and try to get the answers or get you connected with who should have the answers.
>
> Gregg Magnus
>
>
>
>
>
> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:12:32 -0700
> From: buskirk199@gmail.com
> To: ronm@hevanet.com
> CC: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Car vs Rider, again
>
> This is ridicules!!! she was not charged!!! wow cops are dumb. If a motorist has sun in their face and hits another car then they will get charged but, if the sun is in their eyes and hits and cyclist they don't get charged. wow this is really messed up! We need to take a stand and let people know we count too and they should look out for cyclist.
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Ron Magnus wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Another car vs rider crash this morning. Some of you know Clark, keep him
> in your thoughts for a complete recovery. Fortunately in this case it was
> not another hit and run, still a person is injured,
> http://www.kgw.com/news/neighborhood-news/beaverton/Bicyclist-hit-by-minivan
> -in-Beaverton-128125298.html
>
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> From: Candi Murray
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> Reently when there were so many incidents i was struck how the first responders are so very important and probably do not get all the support they should. We have quite a few in our community and are so very lucky to do so.
> Thank you all.
>
> Candi
>
> On Aug 21, 2011, at 9:04 AM, Gregg Magnus wrote:
>
>> Brian I don't know you but I do know from your ranting email that you have no clue how law enforcement, courts and the entire legal system works, so I reccomend that in the future before you make your self look like a jerk you educate yourself first.
>>
>> For those of you that don't know me my name is Gregg Magnus. I have grown up in the OBRA community since I was a child and love this sport and apparently I just found out I am a "dumb" Beaverton Police Officer.
>>
>> I was working yesterday when Clark was hit, I wasn't at the scene but I have been following this closely with the officers who are handling it.
>>
>> Brian here is a little education for you, so hopefully you can learn something about how these processes work.
>>
>> First at crashes or other calls where there are signifiant injuries many times no charges are filed right away, a thorough investigation must be conducted first to determine if a crime has been committed and what level of crime to charge.
>> Second, flight risk is evaluated can a complete investigation be done before an arrest? Worked out with a experts in the area of question, District Attorneys, etc. Do we have to worry about threat to the victim or others?
>>
>> I don't know if criminal charges or a traffic citation will be filed on the driver at this point. I can assure you that this is being throughly investigated and because its a car vs cyclists its not being overlooked.
>>
>> I guess I will close with this, Brian or anyone else if you have a concern about how things are handled in Beaverton please look me up I can certainly look into anything, as far as any general law enforcement questions I am more than willing to help out and try to get the answers or get you connected with who should have the answers.
>>
>> Gregg Magnus
>>
>>
>> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:12:32 -0700
>> From: buskirk199@gmail.com
>> To: ronm@hevanet.com
>> CC: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Car vs Rider, again
>>
>> This is ridicules!!! she was not charged!!! wow cops are dumb. If a motorist has sun in their face and hits another car then they will get charged but, if the sun is in their eyes and hits and cyclist they don't get charged. wow this is really messed up! We need to take a stand and let people know we count too and they should look out for cyclist.
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Ron Magnus wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Another car vs rider crash this morning. Some of you know Clark, keep him
>> in your thoughts for a complete recovery. Fortunately in this case it was
>> not another hit and run, still a person is injured,
>> http://www.kgw.com/news/neighborhood-news/beaverton/Bicyclist-hit-by-minivan
>> -in-Beaverton-128125298.html
>>
>>
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> ...really fast :)
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> From: "T. Kenji Sugahara"
> To: Candi Murray
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> 100% agreed. We have many in law enforcement and first responders in our
> midst. Remember that investigations take time.
>
> Thanks for everything that you all do.
>
>
> On Sunday, August 21, 2011, Candi Murray wrote:
>> Reently when there were so many incidents i was struck how the first
> responders are so very important and probably do not get all the support
> they should. We have quite a few in our community and are so very lucky to
> do so.
>> Thank you all.
>>
>> Candi
>> On Aug 21, 2011, at 9:04 AM, Gregg Magnus wrote:
>>
>> Brian I don't know you but I do know from your ranting email that you have
> no clue how law enforcement, courts and the entire legal system works, so I
> reccomend that in the future before you make your self look like a
> jerk you educate yourself first.
>>
>> For those of you that don't know me my name is Gregg Magnus. I have grown
> up in the OBRA community since I was a child and love this sport and
> apparently I just found out I am a "dumb" Beaverton Police Officer.
>>
>> I was working yesterday when Clark was hit, I wasn't at the scene but I
> have been following this closely with the officers who are handling it.
>>
>> Brian here is a little education for you, so hopefully you can learn
> something about how these processes work.
>>
>> First at crashes or other calls where there are signifiant injuries many
> times no charges are filed right away, a thorough investigation must be
> conducted first to determine if a crime has been committed and what level of
> crime to charge.
>> Second, flight risk is evaluated can a complete investigation be done
> before an arrest? Worked out with a experts in the area of question,
> District Attorneys, etc. Do we have to worry about threat to the victim or
> others?
>>
>> I don't know if criminal charges or a traffic citation will be filed on
> the driver at this point. I can assure you that this is being throughly
> investigated and because its a car vs cyclists its not being overlooked.
>>
>> I guess I will close with this, Brian or anyone else if you have a concern
> about how things are handled in Beaverton please look me up I can certainly
> look into anything, as far as any general law enforcement questions I am
> more than willing to help out and try to get the answers or get you
> connected with who should have the answers.
>>
>> Gregg Magnus
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:12:32 -0700
>> From: buskirk199@gmail.com
>> To: ronm@hevanet.com
>> CC: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Car vs Rider, again
>>
>> This is ridicules!!! she was not charged!!! wow cops are dumb. If a
> motorist has sun in their face and hits another car then they will get
> charged but, if the sun is in their eyes and hits and cyclist they don't get
> charged. wow this is really messed up! We need to take a stand and let
> people know we count too and they should look out for cyclist.
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Ron Magnus wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Another car vs rider crash this morning. Some of you know Clark, keep him
>> in your thoughts for a complete recovery. Fortunately in this case it was
>> not another hit and run, still a person is injured,
>> <
> http://www.kgw.com/news/neighborhood-news/beaverton/Bicyclist-hit-by-minivan-in-Beaverton-128125298.html
>>
> http://www.kgw.com/news/neighborhood-news/beaverton/Bicyclist-hit-by-minivan
>> -in-Beaverton-128125298.html
>>
>>
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> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 11:02:35 -0700
> From: Ben Fischler
> To: Frank Selker
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Rock Creek - Involve Police Early and Often
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> Well said + thought Frank.
>
> As I mentioned earlier in this thread, a good friend who commutes by bike in the Bay Area recently started recording his commute on GoPro due to the number of road rage incidents and one that culminated in physical threats.
>
> I would encourage those with GoPro cameras or similar to record their rides in the area. PITA, but can't hurt; could help.
>
> RE: The employer scenario. In the case of my friend in SF who was threatened, he was able to diffuse the perp when he noticed the jackass was wearing his work company emblazoned polo shirt and he simply said "I know where you work." That put the fear in him and he backed down quickly. My buddy was able to look the company up and apparently had the police put a call in or pay a visit, I can't recall which.
>
> Anyway, more food for thought. Bottom line, lethal threats and force from motorists are never appropriate and should never be part of civil society.
>
> AnimationMentor.com
> [ ben.fischler@gmail.com ]
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 20, 2011, at 9:45 PM, Frank Selker wrote:
>
>> IMO re. Rock Creek:
>>
>> - This problem is exactly what law enforcement is for. Leave the implied force and confrontation to them ? try not to get personally sucked in. Any judge would would quickly determine that, regardless of any argument he wishes to make, his behavior is unsafe, threatening, and not consistent with civil society. Everyone who has a run-in with him (or anyone else out there) must call the police (his suggestion of 911 is a fine one) and file a police report. Pictures or video would be great. They need to see a pattern and that they have a loon who is being a problem and needs guidance, starting with a nice talk and then moving to citations, a civil suit, or jail time. If anyone experiences any injury or bike damage as a result of his behavior, consider legal action. Use police and the law. Someone should also update them on the history.
>> - Media is a risky route. You don?t control their message, which could be unfavorable depending on the reporter, and it may bring out of other crazy bike-haters.
>> - Community building should not focus on people with hardened and emotional positions like him, but to show normal people that cyclists aren?t bad. But I have low expectations ? one whacko shows up at the meeting and it?s a wasted and unpleasant experience. My experience with Mt. biking activism is that hardened opponents aren?t interested in talking but are interested in, and able to, sabotage such efforts.
>> - As a distant second to involving law enforcement, I would consider figuring out who owns his company (could be him), and ask them if this is the kind of thing they want assocaited with it. They make specialized glass for eye surgery. Any cyclists up at Casey Eye institute? Be careful to not commit libel or slander (lawyers ? advice?). Stick to your opinion, what you feel, your concern. Could mail carefully crafted things to their customers. It?s something of a ?scorched earth? approach that could create allies for him out there, but if nothing else is working and lives are at risk, I?d consider it.
>> - He and others need to see that they are better off sharing the road and ending their crusade. It has to become a legal problem for them to act out.
>>
>> Frank Selker
>>
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> Th Oregonian's commuter columnist Joseph Rose would be worth a try since
> he often writes about traffic law issues.
>
> On 8/20/2011 10:15, Michael Medina wrote:
>> I wonder what people's thoughts are on involving the mainstream media.
>>
>> Dave Salesky at KATU is a cyclist and they have an "On Your Side"
>> segment as well as Thom Jenson who often takes on controversial
>> subjects.
>>
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> Message: 24
> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 11:36:36 -0700
> From: Scott Mares
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> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: CX bike, Wheels, Shoes
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> For sale GT CX1 2011 cyclocross bike. Easton wheels, bars, stem, carbon
> fork and post. Size M. Alumium frame. SRAM Rival shifters and rear
> derailleur. SRAM Apex ft derailleur. Truvativ cx crank. Like new very
> cherry. MSRP is $2,029. will sell for $1,000
>
> For sale 2011 Dura Ace C35 wheels. very nice ridden about a month. comes
> with wheel bags. MSRP $2,000 will sell for $1,000
>
> Shoes: Northwave Razor shoes size is 44 $50, SCOTT Team Boa 45 $50, Time
> MXS Carbon 44 $75. All are in great shape. via email.
>
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> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 11:48:01 -0700
> From: Maire Osborn
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> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: 2010 Giant TCX frameset w/ Ultegra group -
> small
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> Selling my cross bike on eBay:
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/180712943800?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649#ht_560wt_1176
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> I bought it new off the OBRA listserv last year for $1800, but it's too big. Willing to sell locally for $1150.
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