I actually have a mannequin. Female, about 5'9" probably a size 0
with a fiberglass patch on her elbow.
We were using her to display some stuff and she now stands half naked
in the garage.
Michael Medina
No, but I know quite a few dummies.
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On Sep 6, 2011, at 11:07 AM, Candi Murray wrote:
> Anyone have a manequin?
>
> Candi
>
> On Sep 6, 2011, at 9:42 AM, wrote:
>
>> All,
>> I will get mine on correct, but I suggest that OBRA get a mannequin (either purchase and or one donated from a clothing business) even though they are not cheap. Do not need a full body, but just upper torso. Then do just as our NWCyclist has suggested. Put the numbers on just as you officials want. Take a picture of it, post it and or make some hard copys that can be transported to race sites so all of us SHEEP disguised in racing kits see for sure what you want.
>>
>> Now. For us slow learners. Taking the entire mannequin to a Crusade event would expose a very large number (not directed at clydes) to a real jersey on a somewhat real torso in official regalia ..........I suggest the Halloween races which might allow mister torso to fit right in!
>> The first part of this was serious.
>> ron
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Mike Murray
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 8:27 AM
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>>
>> Don't get me started.
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On Sep 6, 2011, at 9:42 AM, wrote:
> All,
> I will get mine on correct, but I suggest that OBRA get a mannequin (either purchase and or one donated from a clothing business) even though they are not cheap. Do not need a full body, but just upper torso. Then do just as our NWCyclist has suggested. Put the numbers on just as you officials want. Take a picture of it, post it and or make some hard copys that can be transported to race sites so all of us SHEEP disguised in racing kits see for sure what you want.
>
> Now. For us slow learners. Taking the entire mannequin to a Crusade event would expose a very large number (not directed at clydes) to a real jersey on a somewhat real torso in official regalia ..........I suggest the Halloween races which might allow mister torso to fit right in!
> The first part of this was serious.
> ron
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Mike Murray
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>
> Don't get me started.
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All,
I will get mine on correct, but I suggest that OBRA get a mannequin (either
purchase and or one donated from a clothing business) even though they are
not cheap. Do not need a full body, but just upper torso. Then do just as
our NWCyclist has suggested. Put the numbers on just as you officials want.
Take a picture of it, post it and or make some hard copys that can be
transported to race sites so all of us SHEEP disguised in racing kits see
for sure what you want.
Now. For us slow learners. Taking the entire mannequin to a Crusade event
would expose a very large number (not directed at clydes) to a real jersey
on a somewhat real torso in official regalia ..........I suggest the
Halloween races which might allow mister torso to fit right in!
The first part of this was serious.
ron
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Don't get me started.
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As the old saying goes a picture is worth a thousand words...why doesn't
someone pin the Side & Shoulder numbers "on" , take a photo and post it to
this list ? There are numerous examples of Poor number placement, why not
have an example of Proper number placement ? Since the shoulder numbers
are new, maybe there should be a few "models" sporting the proper number
placement at the Registration table
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 7:26 PM, wrote:
> OK. So if my feeble mind understands what both Candi and Mike are saying
> with regard to the pics of myself and Molly..... For me I need to go further
> back and up with my number so the first number "5" is on top of my shoulder
> area on the orange...other two numbers "05" are slightly toward my back?
> This instead of further forward like pic of Molly? It seems that should be
> closer to what you want if we try that placement.
> I know if we all move them around enough, we will eventually get them right
> or fall asleep trying! :-)
> ron
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Mike Murray
> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 5:02 PM
> To: remailer, OBRA
>
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Here is an example of good side number placement.
>
> Nope. Too anterior (towards the front). Camera would never see that number
> Mike Murray
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 16:23:33
> To:
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Here is an example of good side number placement.
>
> Is the answer (as always) to be more like Molly?
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/**mathowie/6110368499/lightbox/
>
> (super high up, won't get obscured by mud, readable when crossing the
> finish in a tuck)
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
>
>> Looking at the FinishLynx pictures it looks like most people put the
>> number in the classic UCI CX position on the front of the shoulder. This is
>> great for the judges standing at the side of the course because they can
>> look at the riders coming toward them and read the number ... If it is not
>> covered with mud. Not so good for the camera which won't see a number on the
>> front of the shoulder at all.
>>
>> Last year there were several races where there was so much mud the regular
>> numbers were completely obscured, not just to the camera but even to someone
>> looking at the rider standing still after the race. You probably remember me
>> rinsing numbers off with a back pack power washer. In looking at the
>> pictures from those races we noticed that even on the most mud covered rider
>> the back part of the left shoulder was generally reasonably clean. That spot
>> is also visible to the camera. That is where we want the smaller number to
>> go.
>>
>> Mike Murray
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> On 9/5/2011 10:28 PM, eric aldinger wrote:
>> Chips.
Oh-oh, here we go again...
Rick Johnson
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On 9/5/2011 10:28 PM, eric aldinger wrote:
> Chips.
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 8:50 PM, > wrote:
>
> Candi,
> Frankly speaking, once the muddy season hits and crashes
> potentially abound, the shoulder number could very well be
> obscured with mud, as well as the number on the back. A
> suggestion would be to place it on the side of the helmet. IMHO,
> I think that would be less of an issue in muddy situations.
> Jon
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: *"Candi Murray" >
> *To: *rondot@spiritone.com , "Mike
> Rosenfeld" >
> *Cc: *obra@list.obra.org
> *Sent: *Monday, September 5, 2011 2:28:28 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [OBRA Chat] Here is an example of good side number
> placement.
>
> Ron
>
> Please look at the attached picture. Your shoulder number is
> almost nonexistent. For muddy races it needs to go in the orange
> space on your shoulder. Almost all the riders wore the number like
> yours. It was great for the hand scorers, but not what we had in mind.
>
> Candi
>
> *From:*rondot@spiritone.com
> [mailto:rondot@spiritone.com ]
> *Sent:* Monday, September 05, 2011 2:22 PM
> *To:* Mike Rosenfeld; cmurray@obra.org
> *Cc:* obra@list.obra.org
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Here is an example of good side number
> placement.
>
> I was told my number was placed very well by an official. Maybe I
> will never take it off if that is so! Top of paper was right
> where the shoulder goes horizontal toward my neck.... right at the
> top of my arm. I do not have a picture, but I could draw you one
> of how I think it looked. Just kidding.
>
> r
>
> *From:*Mike Rosenfeld
>
> *Sent:*Monday, September 05, 2011 1:41 PM
>
> *To:*cmurray@obra.org
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> *Cc:*obra@list.obra.org
>
> *Subject:*Re: [OBRA Chat] Here is an example of good side number
> placement.
>
> Is this where you want the shoulder number? excuse the lame use
> of MS paint. see attached pic.
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Candi Murray > wrote:
>
> My physician husband says that the shoulder number needs to go
> posterior shoulder (back of the shoulder, over the scapula, right
> on top of the acromial spine ). What we are trying to do with
> these shoulder numbers is prepare for mud.
>
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On Sep 5, 2011, at 10:28 PM, eric aldinger wrote:
> Chips.
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 8:50 PM, wrote:
> Candi,
> Frankly speaking, once the muddy season hits and crashes potentially abound, the shoulder number could very well be obscured with mud, as well as the number on the back. A suggestion would be to place it on the side of the helmet. IMHO, I think that would be less of an issue in muddy situations.
> Jon
>
> From: "Candi Murray"
> To: rondot@spiritone.com, "Mike Rosenfeld"
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2011 2:28:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Here is an example of good side number placement.
>
> Ron
>
> Please look at the attached picture. Your shoulder number is almost nonexistent. For muddy races it needs to go in the orange space on your shoulder. Almost all the riders wore the number like yours. It was great for the hand scorers, but not what we had in mind.
>
> Candi
>
>
>
> From: rondot@spiritone.com [mailto:rondot@spiritone.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 2:22 PM
> To: Mike Rosenfeld; cmurray@obra.org
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Here is an example of good side number placement.
>
>
>
> I was told my number was placed very well by an official. Maybe I will never take it off if that is so! Top of paper was right where the shoulder goes horizontal toward my neck.... right at the top of my arm. I do not have a picture, but I could draw you one of how I think it looked. Just kidding.
>
> r
>
>
>
> From: Mike Rosenfeld
>
> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 1:41 PM
>
> To: cmurray@obra.org
>
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
>
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Here is an example of good side number placement.
>
>
>
> Is this where you want the shoulder number? excuse the lame use of MS paint. see attached pic.
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Candi Murray wrote:
>
> My physician husband says that the shoulder number needs to go posterior shoulder (back of the shoulder, over the scapula, right on top of the acromial spine ). What we are trying to do with these shoulder numbers is prepare for mud.
>
>
>
>
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Chips.
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 8:50 PM, wrote:
> Candi,
> Frankly speaking, once the muddy season hits and crashes potentially
> abound, the shoulder number could very well be obscured with mud, as well as
> the number on the back. A suggestion would be to place it on the side of
> the helmet. IMHO, I think that would be less of an issue in muddy
> situations.
> Jon
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Candi Murray"
> *To: *rondot@spiritone.com, "Mike Rosenfeld"
> *Cc: *obra@list.obra.org
> *Sent: *Monday, September 5, 2011 2:28:28 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [OBRA Chat] Here is an example of good side number
> placement.
>
> Ron
>
> Please look at the attached picture. Your shoulder number is almost
> nonexistent. For muddy races it needs to go in the orange space on your
> shoulder. Almost all the riders wore the number like yours. It was great for
> the hand scorers, but not what we had in mind.
>
> Candi
>
>
>
> *From:* rondot@spiritone.com [mailto:rondot@spiritone.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, September 05, 2011 2:22 PM
> *To:* Mike Rosenfeld; cmurray@obra.org
> *Cc:* obra@list.obra.org
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Here is an example of good side number
> placement.
>
>
>
> I was told my number was placed very well by an official. Maybe I will
> never take it off if that is so! Top of paper was right where the shoulder
> goes horizontal toward my neck.... right at the top of my arm. I do not
> have a picture, but I could draw you one of how I think it looked. Just
> kidding.
>
> r
>
>
>
> *From:* Mike Rosenfeld
>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 05, 2011 1:41 PM
>
> *To:* cmurray@obra.org
>
> *Cc:* obra@list.obra.org
>
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Here is an example of good side number
> placement.
>
>
>
> Is this where you want the shoulder number? excuse the lame use of MS
> paint. see attached pic.
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Candi Murray wrote:
>
> My physician husband says that the shoulder number needs to go posterior
> shoulder (back of the shoulder, over the scapula, right on top of the
> acromial spine ). What we are trying to do with these shoulder numbers is
> prepare for mud.
>
>
>
>
>
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Helmet numbers were considered. The issues were:
- too small to be seen by camera
- no flat spots on helmets to stick number to
- need for many riders to change number for second race
- riders change helmets during season
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Candi,
Frankly speaking, once the muddy season hits and crashes potentially abound, the shoulder number could very well be obscured with mud, as well as the number on the back. A suggestion would be to place it on the side of the helmet. IMHO, I think that would be less of an issue in muddy situations.
Jon
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Ron
Please look at the attached picture. Your shoulder number is almost nonexistent. For muddy races it needs to go in the orange space on your shoulder. Almost all the riders wore the number like yours. It was great for the hand scorers, but not what we had in mind.
Candi
From: rondot@spiritone.com [mailto:rondot@spiritone.com]
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 2:22 PM
To: Mike Rosenfeld; cmurray@obra.org
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Here is an example of good side number placement.
I was told my number was placed very well by an official. Maybe I will never take it off if that is so! Top of paper was right where the shoulder goes horizontal toward my neck.... right at the top of my arm. I do not have a picture, but I could draw you one of how I think it looked. Just kidding.
r
From: Mike Rosenfeld
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 1:41 PM
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Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Here is an example of good side number placement.
Is this where you want the shoulder number? excuse the lame use of MS paint. see attached pic.
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Candi Murray < cmurray@obra.org > wrote:
My physician husband says that the shoulder number needs to go posterior shoulder (back of the shoulder, over the scapula, right on top of the acromial spine ). What we are trying to do with these shoulder numbers is prepare for mud.
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OK. So if my feeble mind understands what both Candi and Mike are saying
with regard to the pics of myself and Molly..... For me I need to go further
back and up with my number so the first number "5" is on top of my shoulder
area on the orange...other two numbers "05" are slightly toward my back?
This instead of further forward like pic of Molly? It seems that should be
closer to what you want if we try that placement.
I know if we all move them around enough, we will eventually get them right
or fall asleep trying! :-)
ron
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Nope. Too anterior (towards the front). Camera would never see that number
Mike Murray
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Is the answer (as always) to be more like Molly?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mathowie/6110368499/lightbox/
(super high up, won't get obscured by mud, readable when crossing the
finish in a tuck)
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
> Looking at the FinishLynx pictures it looks like most people put the
> number in the classic UCI CX position on the front of the shoulder. This
> is great for the judges standing at the side of the course because they
> can look at the riders coming toward them and read the number ... If it is
> not covered with mud. Not so good for the camera which won't see a number
> on the front of the shoulder at all.
>
> Last year there were several races where there was so much mud the regular
> numbers were completely obscured, not just to the camera but even to
> someone looking at the rider standing still after the race. You probably
> remember me rinsing numbers off with a back pack power washer. In looking
> at the pictures from those races we noticed that even on the most mud
> covered rider the back part of the left shoulder was generally reasonably
> clean. That spot is also visible to the camera. That is where we want the
> smaller number to go.
>
> Mike Murray
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Nope. Too anterior (towards the front). Camera would never see that number
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Is the answer (as always) to be more like Molly?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mathowie/6110368499/lightbox/
(super high up, won't get obscured by mud, readable when crossing the
finish in a tuck)
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
> Looking at the FinishLynx pictures it looks like most people put the number in the classic UCI CX position on the front of the shoulder. This is great for the judges standing at the side of the course because they can look at the riders coming toward them and read the number ... If it is not covered with mud. Not so good for the camera which won't see a number on the front of the shoulder at all.
>
> Last year there were several races where there was so much mud the regular numbers were completely obscured, not just to the camera but even to someone looking at the rider standing still after the race. You probably remember me rinsing numbers off with a back pack power washer. In looking at the pictures from those races we noticed that even on the most mud covered rider the back part of the left shoulder was generally reasonably clean. That spot is also visible to the camera. That is where we want the smaller number to go.
>
> Mike Murray
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Is the answer (as always) to be more like Molly?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mathowie/6110368499/lightbox/
(super high up, won't get obscured by mud, readable when crossing the
finish in a tuck)
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
> Looking at the FinishLynx pictures it looks like most people put the number in the classic UCI CX position on the front of the shoulder. This is great for the judges standing at the side of the course because they can look at the riders coming toward them and read the number ... If it is not covered with mud. Not so good for the camera which won't see a number on the front of the shoulder at all.
>
> Last year there were several races where there was so much mud the regular numbers were completely obscured, not just to the camera but even to someone looking at the rider standing still after the race. You probably remember me rinsing numbers off with a back pack power washer. In looking at the pictures from those races we noticed that even on the most mud covered rider the back part of the left shoulder was generally reasonably clean. That spot is also visible to the camera. That is where we want the smaller number to go.
>
> Mike Murray
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Looking at the FinishLynx pictures it looks like most people put the number in the classic UCI CX position on the front of the shoulder. This is great for the judges standing at the side of the course because they can look at the riders coming toward them and read the number ... If it is not covered with mud. Not so good for the camera which won't see a number on the front of the shoulder at all.
Last year there were several races where there was so much mud the regular numbers were completely obscured, not just to the camera but even to someone looking at the rider standing still after the race. You probably remember me rinsing numbers off with a back pack power washer. In looking at the pictures from those races we noticed that even on the most mud covered rider the back part of the left shoulder was generally reasonably clean. That spot is also visible to the camera. That is where we want the smaller number to go.
Mike Murray
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Please look at the attached picture. Your shoulder number is almost
nonexistent. For muddy races it needs to go in the orange space on your
shoulder. Almost all the riders wore the number like yours. It was great for
the hand scorers, but not what we had in mind.
Candi
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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Here is an example of good side number placement.
I was told my number was placed very well by an official. Maybe I will
never take it off if that is so! Top of paper was right where the shoulder
goes horizontal toward my neck.... right at the top of my arm. I do not
have a picture, but I could draw you one of how I think it looked. Just
kidding.
r
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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Here is an example of good side number placement.
Is this where you want the shoulder number? excuse the lame use of MS
paint. see attached pic.
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Candi Murray wrote:
My physician husband says that the shoulder number needs to go posterior
shoulder (back of the shoulder, over the scapula, right on top of the
acromial spine ). What we are trying to do with these shoulder numbers is
prepare for mud.
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Ron
Please look at the attached picture. Your shoulder number is almost
nonexistent. For muddy races it needs to go in the orange space on your
shoulder. Almost all the riders wore the number like yours. It was great for
the hand scorers, but not what we had in mind.
Candi
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To: Mike Rosenfeld; cmurray@obra.org
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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Here is an example of good side number placement.
I was told my number was placed very well by an official. Maybe I will
never take it off if that is so! Top of paper was right where the shoulder
goes horizontal toward my neck.... right at the top of my arm. I do not
have a picture, but I could draw you one of how I think it looked. Just
kidding.
r
From: Mike Rosenfeld
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 1:41 PM
To: cmurray@obra.org
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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Here is an example of good side number placement.
Is this where you want the shoulder number? excuse the lame use of MS
paint. see attached pic.
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Candi Murray wrote:
My physician husband says that the shoulder number needs to go posterior
shoulder (back of the shoulder, over the scapula, right on top of the
acromial spine ). What we are trying to do with these shoulder numbers is
prepare for mud.
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I was told my number was placed very well by an official. Maybe I will never take it off if that is so! Top of paper was right where the shoulder goes horizontal toward my neck.... right at the top of my arm. I do not have a picture, but I could draw you one of how I think it looked. Just kidding.
r
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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Here is an example of good side number placement.
Is this where you want the shoulder number? excuse the lame use of MS paint. see attached pic.
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Candi Murray wrote:
My physician husband says that the shoulder number needs to go posterior shoulder (back of the shoulder, over the scapula, right on top of the acromial spine ). What we are trying to do with these shoulder numbers is prepare for mud.
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Is this where you want the shoulder number? excuse the lame use of MS
paint. see attached pic.
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Candi Murray wrote:
> My physician husband says that the shoulder number needs to go posterior
> shoulder (back of the shoulder, over the scapula, right on top of the
> acromial spine ). What we are trying to do with these shoulder numbers is
> prepare for mud.****
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That is not bad. Mike thinks it will fit better if you turn it 90 degrees.
Once again it is a work in progress.
From: Mike Rosenfeld [mailto:rosenfeldma@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 1:42 PM
To: cmurray@obra.org
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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Here is an example of good side number placement.
Is this where you want the shoulder number? excuse the lame use of MS
paint. see attached pic.
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Candi Murray wrote:
My physician husband says that the shoulder number needs to go posterior
shoulder (back of the shoulder, over the scapula, right on top of the
acromial spine ). What we are trying to do with these shoulder numbers is
prepare for mud.
520/3878 - Release Date: 09/05/11
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My physician husband says that the shoulder number needs to go posterior
shoulder (back of the shoulder, over the scapula, right on top of the
acromial spine ). What we are trying to do with these shoulder numbers is
prepare for mud.
520/3878 - Release Date: 09/05/11
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