Chris Alling

Not to mention smelling like horse droppings after you get done.

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of jeff@ultrafreaks.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 7:50 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Horses on Wilson River Trail

This has been my experience on the Pacific Crest trail as well. Ankle deep mud in the boggy areas, and huge chunks torn away on the uphill sections, caused by hoof traffic. Other than trail remediation, or making trails off limits to equine traffic, I'm not sure there's a good solution to this.

-j

On October 4, 2011 at 10:17 PM "Larry C." wrote:

> Rode the Wilson River Trail the other day and discovered it to be in far worse condition than I have ever seen...lots of deep holes, ruts and soft spots that were never there previously. On my way out, much to my dismay, I noticed a sign stating that the Forest Svc. ran a trial run of allowing equestrians on the trail between 8/15 and 9/30. It's amazing how much damage to the trail has been done in such a short time. I found this post on the forestry service website:
>
> http://www.oregon.gov/ODF/tillamookstateforest/docs/2011_Documents/WRT_HorseAccess_08192011.pdf?ga=t
>
> If you enjoy riding the WRT, it may never be the same again (if you've ever tried riding in Stub Stewart where equestrians are permitted, you'll know what I'm talking about). I don't know if it will make any difference, but if you enjoy this trail, you might consider contacting the Forest Svc and letting them know what you think. The two contacts are:
>
> Randy Peterson, rpeterson@odf.state.or.us
> Nathan Seable, nseable@odf.state.or.us
>
> Happy trails.
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jeff@ultrafreaks.net

This has been my experience on the Pacific Crest trail as well.  Ankle deep mud
in the boggy areas, and huge chunks torn away on the uphill sections, caused by
hoof traffic. Other than trail remediation, or making trails off limits to
equine traffic, I'm not sure there's a good solution to this.
 
-j
 

On October 4, 2011 at 10:17 PM "Larry C." wrote:

> Rode the Wilson River Trail the other day and discovered it to be in far worse
> condition than I have ever seen...lots of deep holes, ruts and soft spots that
> were never there previously.  On my way out, much to my dismay, I noticed a
> sign stating that the Forest Svc. ran a trial run of allowing equestrians on
> the trail between 8/15 and 9/30.  It's amazing how much damage to the trail
> has been done in such a short time.  I found this post on the forestry service
> website:
>
> http://www.oregon.gov/ODF/tillamookstateforest/docs/2011_Documents/WRT_HorseAccess_08192011.pdf?ga=t
>
> If you enjoy riding the WRT, it may never be the same again (if you've ever
> tried riding in Stub Stewart where equestrians are permitted, you'll know what
> I'm talking about).  I don't know if it will make any difference, but if you
> enjoy this trail, you might consider contacting the Forest Svc and letting
> them know what you think.  The two contacts are:
>
> Randy Peterson,  rpeterson@odf.state.or.us
> Nathan Seable,  nseable@odf.state.or.us
>
> Happy trails.
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J.Serna

Well put as usual Ron. More flys with honey!

J. Serna

rondot@spiritone.com wrote:

>
>Thanks for update on these trails.
>Like the document you attached pointed out...........various user groups
>volunteered many, many hours to the construction and maintenance of the
>trail system. I think this might be an attempt to see just how much damage
>the horses do to the trail in an "official trial". Sounds like you have
>seen the results of this trial.
>Contacting the people below is good (be positive), but carries much more
>weight if you can state you are a member of NWTA, Westside Trail Alliance
>and or IMBA....as well as an Oregon taxpayer. The more members those
>organizations can show agencies they have........the more clout their word
>carries with said agencies.
>And in my opinion, we do have to be open to sharing....there just might be
>times and or places where horses, bikes and or hikers should NOT be allowed
>at times. This is not for me to decide, but destruction of a trail system
>by one user makes me think they need to look at this with two end goals in
>mind....1) repair and 2) not allowing it to happen again.
>We are part of the solution.
>ron
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Larry C.
>Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 7:17 PM
>To: obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: [OBRA Chat] Horses on Wilson River Trail
>
>Rode the Wilson River Trail the other day and discovered it to be in far
>worse condition than I have ever seen...lots of deep holes, ruts and soft
>spots that were never there previously. On my way out, much to my dismay, I
>noticed a sign stating that the Forest Svc. ran a trial run of allowing
>equestrians on the trail between 8/15 and 9/30. It's amazing how much
>damage to the trail has been done in such a short time. I found this post
>on the forestry service website:
>
>http://www.oregon.gov/ODF/tillamookstateforest/docs/2011_Documents/WRT_HorseAccess_08192011.pdf?ga=t
>
>If you enjoy riding the WRT, it may never be the same again (if you've ever
>tried riding in Stub Stewart where equestrians are permitted, you'll know
>what I'm talking about). I don't know if it will make any difference, but
>if you enjoy this trail, you might consider contacting the Forest Svc and
>letting them know what you think. The two contacts are:
>
>Randy Peterson, rpeterson@odf.state.or.us
>Nathan Seable, nseable@odf.state.or.us
>
>Happy trails.
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rondot@spiritone.com

Thanks for update on these trails.
Like the document you attached pointed out...........various user groups
volunteered many, many hours to the construction and maintenance of the
trail system. I think this might be an attempt to see just how much damage
the horses do to the trail in an "official trial". Sounds like you have
seen the results of this trial.
Contacting the people below is good (be positive), but carries much more
weight if you can state you are a member of NWTA, Westside Trail Alliance
and or IMBA....as well as an Oregon taxpayer. The more members those
organizations can show agencies they have........the more clout their word
carries with said agencies.
And in my opinion, we do have to be open to sharing....there just might be
times and or places where horses, bikes and or hikers should NOT be allowed
at times. This is not for me to decide, but destruction of a trail system
by one user makes me think they need to look at this with two end goals in
mind....1) repair and 2) not allowing it to happen again.
We are part of the solution.
ron

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry C.
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 7:17 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Horses on Wilson River Trail

Rode the Wilson River Trail the other day and discovered it to be in far
worse condition than I have ever seen...lots of deep holes, ruts and soft
spots that were never there previously. On my way out, much to my dismay, I
noticed a sign stating that the Forest Svc. ran a trial run of allowing
equestrians on the trail between 8/15 and 9/30. It's amazing how much
damage to the trail has been done in such a short time. I found this post
on the forestry service website:

http://www.oregon.gov/ODF/tillamookstateforest/docs/2011_Documents/WRT_HorseAccess_08192011.pdf?ga=t

If you enjoy riding the WRT, it may never be the same again (if you've ever
tried riding in Stub Stewart where equestrians are permitted, you'll know
what I'm talking about). I don't know if it will make any difference, but
if you enjoy this trail, you might consider contacting the Forest Svc and
letting them know what you think. The two contacts are:

Randy Peterson, rpeterson@odf.state.or.us
Nathan Seable, nseable@odf.state.or.us

Happy trails.
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Randy Dreiling

Reading that letter I am pretty sure one of two things happened:
A. The horse folks sued or were ready to sue to gain access given the way the letter referred to certain documents.
B. A new boss there is a horse person

Take Care

Larry C.

Rode the Wilson River Trail the other day and discovered it to be in far worse condition than I have ever seen...lots of deep holes, ruts and soft spots that were never there previously. On my way out, much to my dismay, I noticed a sign stating that the Forest Svc. ran a trial run of allowing equestrians on the trail between 8/15 and 9/30. It's amazing how much damage to the trail has been done in such a short time. I found this post on the forestry service website:

http://www.oregon.gov/ODF/tillamookstateforest/docs/2011_Documents/WRT_HorseAccess_08192011.pdf?ga=t

If you enjoy riding the WRT, it may never be the same again (if you've ever tried riding in Stub Stewart where equestrians are permitted, you'll know what I'm talking about). I don't know if it will make any difference, but if you enjoy this trail, you might consider contacting the Forest Svc and letting them know what you think. The two contacts are:

Randy Peterson, rpeterson@odf.state.or.us
Nathan Seable, nseable@odf.state.or.us

Happy trails.