brooke.hoyer@gmail.com

I used a truing  stand, solvent bath, a fan, and some cards in the spokes.

1) Put wheel in the stand
2) Position solvent bath to immerse the glued surface in solvent
3) Fasten cards to spokes to form windmill effect
4) Position fan to power the windmill
5) Have a beer or four

I found that mineral spirits worked great for Al rims. Then I would clean the rims fully with acetone to remove the mineral spirits film. You don't need to do this very often. Though you can build up a lot of glue with new glue jobs every season (or more often sometimes). For a reglue, I like to smooth the old glue with acetone and an old rag. Acetone is very volatile and evaporates without a film that can compromise the new glue bond.

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On Oct 7, 2011 12:20 PM, Erik Voldengen <erikv@erikv.com> wrote:
I've never had any luck with solvents.  Anything that would dissolve cured glue is not something I want to use, anyway. 

Like Steve, I just use a butter knife and scrape hard.  Butter knifes are perfectly shaped to scrape your rims.  You don't need to get it all off, just the loose chunks. 

It's a pain, that's for sure.  That's why I am riding tubeless now instead.  Not worth it for me.

-Erik

Matt Wills

i'm sure people will disagree here but:

1) gluing road tires and gluing cross tires are not the same thing. the
little bit of glue method works fine for road tires but not for cross -
lower pressure holding the tire on and a larger 'lever' to pull it off.
2) if the old glue is that hard to get off, why bother? 'rejuvinate' it
with some paint/laquer thinner and you have a better starting point than a
clean rim.
3) again, this is for cross tires, not road/track.

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Mike Murray wrote:

> Actually, like most thing, it is far more difficult until you learn to do
> it right. After that you wonder what the fuss was. Not to discourage
> patronage of bike shops but it is not all that hard to glue tubulars.
> Clinchers are easier though.
> Mike Murray
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Mike Murray

Actually, like most thing, it is far more difficult until you learn to do it right. After that you wonder what the fuss was. Not to discourage patronage of bike shops but it is not all that hard to glue tubulars. Clinchers are easier though.
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Seth Hosmer

I have had good luck with using a hair dryer to heat up the glue for about 20-30 seconds over a span of maybe 6". Then scrape the glue with a "CIA Letter Opener" which is basically a plastic knife:
http://www.amazon.com/Polyresin-Non-Metallic-Letter-Opener-Serrated/dp/B0037ZHKHQ

The knife is very sharp, and does a good job of getting the glue up if you use steady, firm, slow movement. Since it is some sort of plastic, it does not damage the rim.

This method gets up most of the glue, and leaves a smooth surface underneath. Relatively quick and good results.

-Seth Hosmer, DC
www.HPChiro.com

Thom Schoenborn

Good discussion on the solvents.Thanks everyone, I think we've about covered it.

FWIW, I bought plain ol' solvent but didn't use it. My thumbs are pretty angry at me, however, and I'm pretty sure I ruined one of my wife's wordworking chisels. That was some seriously gummy stuff.

I guess my unspoken point was this: If a person is considering going tubular, they might consider the full investment. Eventually, you'll want/need new or different tires. It may take a long, frustrating evening to clean off rims (if necessary, and it was for one of the rims in my case), and yet more time spread over a few evenings of prep time to re-glue. Or you can pay someone $200* to mount a new set of tires for you.

Anyway. It's been a fun learning experience, kinda like hand-churning butter or jogging barefoot. Hopefully it'll be worth it come Sunday Sunday SUNDAY!!!

-Thom

* tires not included

Hugh Givens

Last couple of postings are right on. How about this as a basic rule: If it's not good to drink it's probably not good for your skin, lungs, or nervous system, either.

You do not want to end up with a nasty case of Parkinson's just because you wanted an easy way to clean your wheels off.

Erik Voldengen

I've never had any luck with solvents. Anything that would dissolve cured
glue is not something I want to use, anyway.

Like Steve, I just use a butter knife and scrape hard. Butter knifes are
perfectly shaped to scrape your rims. You don't need to get it all off,
just the loose chunks.

It's a pain, that's for sure. That's why I am riding tubeless now instead.
Not worth it for me.

-Erik

Mike Murray

If you don't put on too much glue in the first place there should really be little need for cleaning off the old glue. A thick layer of glue is actually weaker than a thin layer.

Mike Murray
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Jonathan Pierce

Hi All,
I've never cleaned a tubular rim but I spent a lot of years working around
solvents in my last career. This thread is all pointing in the right
direction but it can't be overstated: if you're working with solvents,
Read The Labels! If they warn of respiratory hazards, work outside
preferably with a fan. If you must work inside, open every window you can,
use a fan and go buy a respirator with an organic vapor cartridge. They
aren't that expensive at Lowes or Home Depot. I'm not kidding. These are
your lungs, your brain and your nervous system you're messing with and
this stuff can do damage that's cumulative and you will not recover from.

jp

On 10/7/11 11:33 AM, "Ormerod, Gilbert"
wrote:

>I think you want to stay away from the xylene. I used to use it at work
>and was told it was particularly nasty... as in causing medical/health
>problems. Maybe someone else knows the particulars on this?
>________________________________________
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>Of Thom Schoenborn [thomschoenborn@gmail.com]
>Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 8:51 AM
>To: OBRA
>Subject: [OBRA Chat] cleaning tubular rims
>
>Switching to my mudder tubulars this week led me to do a bit of research
>online into cleaning the rim. For those other tubie newbies, I provide to
>you a few good links for your edification. I'm sure other folks here have
>tips as well.
>
>Use VM&P Naptha instead of Acetone to clean it? (and what kind of gloves
>should you wear?)
>http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/03/bikes-and-tech/technical-faq/techni
>cal-faq-end-of-season-rim-and-tire-care_106719
>
>Or maybe use lacquer thinner or Xylene?
>http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/index.php/t-125633.html
>
>The consequences of using tape when you're cleaning the rim (I can vouch
>for this, HOLY CRAP it was hard to get that residue off)
>http://forums.roadbikereview.com/cyclocross/need-help-cleaning-glue-off-tu
>bular-rims-108953.html
>
>Zinn's primer on gluing 'cross tires
>http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/10/cyclocross/technical-qa-with-lennar
>d-zinn-getting-those-cross-tires-on-right_101235
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rondot@spiritone.com

Xylene is nasty stuff! Not good for you! Permanent felt pens also have
that chemical. Ever noticed how nasty they smell? Beardsley's method
sounds better to me, but then again I just use those clinchers to fuel my
fun. Low chemical exposure, faster turnaround on any flats and thus more
time for......riding!
ronnie

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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] cleaning tubular rims

I think you want to stay away from the xylene. I used to use it at work and
was told it was particularly nasty... as in causing medical/health problems.
Maybe someone else knows the particulars on this?
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Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 8:51 AM
To: OBRA
Subject: [OBRA Chat] cleaning tubular rims

Switching to my mudder tubulars this week led me to do a bit of research
online into cleaning the rim. For those other tubie newbies, I provide to
you a few good links for your edification. I'm sure other folks here have
tips as well.

Use VM&P Naptha instead of Acetone to clean it? (and what kind of gloves
should you wear?)
http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/03/bikes-and-tech/technical-faq/technical-faq-end-of-season-rim-and-tire-care_106719

Or maybe use lacquer thinner or Xylene?
http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/index.php/t-125633.html

The consequences of using tape when you're cleaning the rim (I can vouch for
this, HOLY CRAP it was hard to get that residue off)
http://forums.roadbikereview.com/cyclocross/need-help-cleaning-glue-off-tubular-rims-108953.html

Zinn's primer on gluing 'cross tires
http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/10/cyclocross/technical-qa-with-lennard-zinn-getting-those-cross-tires-on-right_101235

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This might seem a bit simple, but I find a dull flat screwdriver, a hair
dryer and some elbow grease works best.

Plus you don't need 5 fans or worry about blowing your face off.
On Oct 7, 2011 11:36 AM, "Ormerod, Gilbert"
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Ormerod, Gilbert

I think you want to stay away from the xylene. I used to use it at work and was told it was particularly nasty... as in causing medical/health problems. Maybe someone else knows the particulars on this?
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Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 8:51 AM
To: OBRA
Subject: [OBRA Chat] cleaning tubular rims

Switching to my mudder tubulars this week led me to do a bit of research online into cleaning the rim. For those other tubie newbies, I provide to you a few good links for your edification. I'm sure other folks here have tips as well.

Use VM&P Naptha instead of Acetone to clean it? (and what kind of gloves should you wear?)
http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/03/bikes-and-tech/technical-faq/technical-faq-end-of-season-rim-and-tire-care_106719

Or maybe use lacquer thinner or Xylene?
http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/index.php/t-125633.html

The consequences of using tape when you're cleaning the rim (I can vouch for this, HOLY CRAP it was hard to get that residue off)
http://forums.roadbikereview.com/cyclocross/need-help-cleaning-glue-off-tubular-rims-108953.html

Zinn's primer on gluing 'cross tires
http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/10/cyclocross/technical-qa-with-lennard-zinn-getting-those-cross-tires-on-right_101235

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Michael Medina

And don't use them in a room with a pilot light. I almost learned this the
hard way, but only lost my eyebrows, eyelashes, and part of my hair that
day. They all grew back.

Fri Oct 07 2011 11:22:23 GMT-0700 (PDT) :
It should be obvious, but NEVER use solvents in a closed space. I used to
set up two box fans ...

mohair

It should be obvious, but NEVER use solvents in a closed space. I used to set up two box fans, one blowing to me and one blowing away from me.

On Oct 7, 2011, at 8:51 AM, Thom Schoenborn wrote:

> Switching to my mudder tubulars this week led me to do a bit of research online into cleaning the rim. For those other tubie newbies, I provide to you a few good links for your edification. I'm sure other folks here have tips as well.
>
> Use VM&P Naptha instead of Acetone to clean it? (and what kind of gloves should you wear?)
> http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/03/bikes-and-tech/technical-faq/technical-faq-end-of-season-rim-and-tire-care_106719
>
> Or maybe use lacquer thinner or Xylene?
> http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/index.php/t-125633.html
>
> The consequences of using tape when you're cleaning the rim (I can vouch for this, HOLY CRAP it was hard to get that residue off)
> http://forums.roadbikereview.com/cyclocross/need-help-cleaning-glue-off-tubular-rims-108953.html
>
> Zinn's primer on gluing 'cross tires
> http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/10/cyclocross/technical-qa-with-lennard-zinn-getting-those-cross-tires-on-right_101235
>
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Thom Schoenborn

Switching to my mudder tubulars this week led me to do a bit of research online into cleaning the rim. For those other tubie newbies, I provide to you a few good links for your edification. I'm sure other folks here have tips as well.

Use VM&P Naptha instead of Acetone to clean it? (and what kind of gloves should you wear?)
http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/03/bikes-and-tech/technical-faq/technical-faq-end-of-season-rim-and-tire-care_106719

Or maybe use lacquer thinner or Xylene?
http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/index.php/t-125633.html

The consequences of using tape when you're cleaning the rim (I can vouch for this, HOLY CRAP it was hard to get that residue off)
http://forums.roadbikereview.com/cyclocross/need-help-cleaning-glue-off-tubular-rims-108953.html

Zinn's primer on gluing 'cross tires
http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/10/cyclocross/technical-qa-with-lennard-zinn-getting-those-cross-tires-on-right_101235