Velo New-USA Cycling Article

Dr. Ryan Iverach

2002-11-08

I'm interested in more particulars! What else happened at the meeting?



Ryan





mike.m-@obra.org wrote:

 Erik Voldengen [mailto:eri-@fusium.com]:

"I'm not arguing if that's true or not, but why in the world

would they not care about racers? Isn't that the whole reason

for their existance?"



Racers are just one of their customer groups. The other groups are race

organizers, sponsors, USOC, UCI. With the exception of race organizers,

the

other groups speak with a more unified voice and are more clearly

connected

to the money they represent. Racers may be the reason why they exist

but

they are also the easiest to ignore.



I just met with Gerard Bisceglia and Matt Murphy. Basically they

presented

the same program that they have offered to other areas. I explained the

economics of the situation here and they left understanding that they

needed

to have more value in their package. Basically, they need to come up

with a

product that we are interested in buying. If anybody is interested in

more

particulars I can explain them.



Mike Murray







Dr. Ryan Iverach

Clearwater Chiropractic and Massage

1201 SW 12th Avenue, Suite 205 Portland, 97205

503-279-0205 ry-@clearh2o.org



mike.m-@obra.org

2002-11-07

Erik Voldengen [mailto:eri-@fusium.com]:

"I'm not arguing if that's true or not, but why in the world

would they not care about racers? Isn't that the whole reason

for their existance?"



Racers are just one of their customer groups. The other groups are race

organizers, sponsors, USOC, UCI. With the exception of race organizers, the

other groups speak with a more unified voice and are more clearly connected

to the money they represent. Racers may be the reason why they exist but

they are also the easiest to ignore.



I just met with Gerard Bisceglia and Matt Murphy. Basically they presented

the same program that they have offered to other areas. I explained the

economics of the situation here and they left understanding that they needed

to have more value in their package. Basically, they need to come up with a

product that we are interested in buying. If anybody is interested in more

particulars I can explain them.



Mike Murray



Jim VanSchoonhoven

2002-11-07

Norrene, I have never met Mr. Bisceglia, and have no idea about him or his

passion for cycling. I am glad to hear he is supportive of your efforts, he

should be!!! You are doing something special that is helping the sport.



My comments are more from dealing with the mountain bike side of the sport.

Their attitudes and comments about racing in Oregon have not changed in the

last 6 months. These are people that are still causing more people to leave

USAC and since I see no change in the way they are dealing with things, it

is hard for me to believe things are changing. That does not mean that they

are not changing, only that I have not seen it!!! These people that we deal

with, have said very unkind things about Oregon racing in the past year.



Each person must judge these matters based on their own dealings with these

people, I am expressing my opinions based on actual contact with NORBA

people that work in Colorado and come out to the races. Sometimes I am

amazed at what these people have said.



Now, I know that most people have very little knowledge of trials, but since

observed trials is part of NORBA, I would hope that the people at NORBA,

(that I know have been dealing with trials for years) would at least try to

promote it a little bit. Here is what happened at the NORBA National

Championship Finals. A person from the NORBA home office was watching some

of the trials event with a big sponsor of cycling, This person asked for

some information about the trials. His answer was it is a small cultic

group that we allow to come here and do a national championship, we really

have nothing to do with it. Now he could have used this as a chance to

explain the details of trials and how it can be used in demos at schools and

other places to promote cycling. This might have even lead to this company

supporting trials.



It was this same person that also refused to look at the rule book at

another National Championship Final that caused Jeremy to lose his title.

It was only by going over his head that Jeremy got his title back, and then

it shows him as a co-champion because they did not want to take the title

away from the guy Jeremy had soundly beat. The point is I had tried to get

him to read the rule book (I had with me) and he refused, because Jeremy was

so new to the sport.



Now, I know Trials is not for everyone, but it sure could have been used to

attract people to cycling. And even more important, the national governing

body of a sport should be supportive to that sport in front of potential

sponsors.



You know, in a very real way this person was right!!! His policies have led

to the dropping of Trials from the National Championship Series. This

caused sponsors to drop trials riders, which leads to a smaller amount of

trials riders. Another fact was NORBA gave no monetary sport to trials at

nationals, in fact the top 3 PRO Trials riders at the NORBA National

Championship got zero money for winning!!!



As for my comment on some of the staff not having a passion for cycling. I

believe that is the truth, but I do not believe that about everyone there.

In fact, I am sure there are some great people at USAC.



Until, I see positive changes at the NORBA events that I go to, I will judge

them on their past actions. Once I see some actual positive changes at

events, then I will be happy to change my opinion of USAC!



As for me I love to ride my bike and race when I can. I like belonging to

an organization that makes this easy to do. I like the organization to

treat all member fairly and apply all the rules equally to each rider. And

since promoters and racers are the keys to putting on good races, I think

the organization should serve these people first.



Jim VanSchoonhoven



-----Original Message-----

From: Godfrey, Norrene [mailto:Norrene.-@nike.com]

Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 2:31 PM

To: Obra; 'vans-@budget.net'

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Velo New-USA Cycling Article





I too read the article that was posed on velonews regarding USA Cycling and

the resignation of Voight and the dropping or selling of the BMX division.



This summer I had a chance to meet with Bisceglia, CEO of USA Cycling, and

he had nothing but good comments on OBRA and the program Candi and Mike have

put together. Bisceglia has a tough job ahead of him and so far from his

actions I have nothing but phrase for him. He has cut loose the dead weight

at the top of USA Cycling, which give USA Cycling more funds to put into

other areas.



I know for a fact that USAC supports more that just one team. Last month I

had to call USA Cycling to get a letter of recommendation. Bisceglia himself

contacted me and wanted to know what he could do to help, and if there was

anyone on my behalf that he could speak too.



Maybe dollar wise, a majority of the money goes to the US National Team, now

known as T-Mobile, but T-Mobile step up to provide the funds for riders like

our own Stacy Peters (you go girl!) to race over in Europe.



I know Bisceglia is meeting this weekend with the ATRA folks to see just

what they can do to reenergize track racing again, because as you know

outside of Alpenrose and T-town track is almost non-existent.



Bisceglia has a passion for cycling, at Master track nationals he was out

there helping the local officials with timing, lap cards and bring water to

the athletes. I think he really cares about cycling, and I for one would

like to give him a chance.



Jim since Bisceglia and other representative are going to be here in Oregon,

maybe you can write up a list of question and concerns you have and pass

them on to Candi and Mike and they could pass on to Bisceglia. I bet you he

gets back to you.



Cheers

Norrene





Norrene Godfrey

Senior CPA | Nike Women's Apparel

503.671.2178 | norrene.-@nike.com



 ----------

From: Jim VanSchoonhoven

Reply To: vans-@budget.net

Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2002 1:15 PM

To: eri-@fusium.com; Obra

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Velo New-USA Cycling Article



Some of these people, consider this a job, they have never raced a day in

their lives. They do not think about the impact of their decisions on the

racers. In fact they are more concerned about how they look to the big

companies that are providing money to support their jobs. If the choice

comes down to the best interest of the racers or their supporting their

big

sponsors they chose the sponsors. One of the latest examples of this is

the

USAC's support of a single trade team.



There are people at USAC that have no passion for cycling at all, racers

are

just a commodity



-----Original Message-----

From: Erik Voldengen [mailto:eri-@fusium.com]

Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 11:20 AM

To: Obra

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Velo New-USA Cycling Article





 In my opinion, they just don't care about racers.



I'm not arguing if that's true or not, but why in the world

would they not care about racers? Isn't that the whole reason

for their existance?



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Godfrey, Norrene

2002-11-07

I too read the article that was posed on velonews regarding USA Cycling and

the resignation of Voight and the dropping or selling of the BMX division.



This summer I had a chance to meet with Bisceglia, CEO of USA Cycling, and

he had nothing but good comments on OBRA and the program Candi and Mike have

put together. Bisceglia has a tough job ahead of him and so far from his

actions I have nothing but phrase for him. He has cut loose the dead weight

at the top of USA Cycling, which give USA Cycling more funds to put into

other areas.



I know for a fact that USAC supports more that just one team. Last month I

had to call USA Cycling to get a letter of recommendation. Bisceglia himself

contacted me and wanted to know what he could do to help, and if there was

anyone on my behalf that he could speak too.



Maybe dollar wise, a majority of the money goes to the US National Team, now

known as T-Mobile, but T-Mobile step up to provide the funds for riders like

our own Stacy Peters (you go girl!) to race over in Europe.



I know Bisceglia is meeting this weekend with the ATRA folks to see just

what they can do to reenergize track racing again, because as you know

outside of Alpenrose and T-town track is almost non-existent.



Bisceglia has a passion for cycling, at Master track nationals he was out

there helping the local officials with timing, lap cards and bring water to

the athletes. I think he really cares about cycling, and I for one would

like to give him a chance.



Jim since Bisceglia and other representative are going to be here in Oregon,

maybe you can write up a list of question and concerns you have and pass

them on to Candi and Mike and they could pass on to Bisceglia. I bet you he

gets back to you.



Cheers

Norrene





Norrene Godfrey

Senior CPA | Nike Women's Apparel

503.671.2178 | norrene.-@nike.com



 ----------

From: Jim VanSchoonhoven

Reply To: vans-@budget.net

Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2002 1:15 PM

To: eri-@fusium.com; Obra

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Velo New-USA Cycling Article



Some of these people, consider this a job, they have never raced a day in

their lives. They do not think about the impact of their decisions on the

racers. In fact they are more concerned about how they look to the big

companies that are providing money to support their jobs. If the choice

comes down to the best interest of the racers or their supporting their

big

sponsors they chose the sponsors. One of the latest examples of this is

the

USAC's support of a single trade team.



There are people at USAC that have no passion for cycling at all, racers

are

just a commodity



-----Original Message-----

From: Erik Voldengen [mailto:eri-@fusium.com]

Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 11:20 AM

To: Obra

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Velo New-USA Cycling Article





 In my opinion, they just don't care about racers.



I'm not arguing if that's true or not, but why in the world

would they not care about racers? Isn't that the whole reason

for their existance?



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Jim VanSchoonhoven

2002-11-07

Some of these people, consider this a job, they have never raced a day in

their lives. They do not think about the impact of their decisions on the

racers. In fact they are more concerned about how they look to the big

companies that are providing money to support their jobs. If the choice

comes down to the best interest of the racers or their supporting their big

sponsors they chose the sponsors. One of the latest examples of this is the

USAC's support of a single trade team.



There are people at USAC that have no passion for cycling at all, racers are

just a commodity



-----Original Message-----

From: Erik Voldengen [mailto:eri-@fusium.com]

Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 11:20 AM

To: Obra

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Velo New-USA Cycling Article





 In my opinion, they just don't care about racers.



I'm not arguing if that's true or not, but why in the world

would they not care about racers? Isn't that the whole reason

for their existance?



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Banovic, Brendan

2002-11-07

I care about the cattle and the racers.



Brendan Banovic b

Brendan_-@siltronic.com <mailto:Brendan_-@siltronic.com>

Wacker Siltronic Corporation

7200 NW Front Avenue

Portland, OR 97210

Phone: 503-219-4333

Fax: 503-219-4121









-----Original Message-----

From: Cass, Bill [mailto:Bill.-@nike.com]

Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 11:32 AM

To: obra; 'eri-@fusium.com'

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Velo New-USA Cycling Article





Does a cattleman care about the individual feelings of his cows? Not as long

as they keep lining up at the gate of the slaughterhouse. I think there is a

cartoon there.







bill cass

designer

acg footwear

503-532-0239



 ----------

From: Erik Voldengen

Reply To: eri-@fusium.com

Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2002 11:20 AM

To: Obra

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Velo New-USA Cycling Article



 In my opinion, they just don't care about racers.



I'm not arguing if that's true or not, but why in the world

would they not care about racers? Isn't that the whole reason

for their existance?



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Cass, Bill

2002-11-07

Does a cattleman care about the individual feelings of his cows? Not as long

as they keep lining up at the gate of the slaughterhouse. I think there is a

cartoon there.







bill cass

designer

acg footwear

503-532-0239



 ----------

From: Erik Voldengen

Reply To: eri-@fusium.com

Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2002 11:20 AM

To: Obra

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Velo New-USA Cycling Article



 In my opinion, they just don't care about racers.



I'm not arguing if that's true or not, but why in the world

would they not care about racers? Isn't that the whole reason

for their existance?



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Erik Voldengen

2002-11-07

 In my opinion, they just don't care about racers.



I'm not arguing if that's true or not, but why in the world

would they not care about racers? Isn't that the whole reason

for their existance?



Jim VanSchoonhoven

2002-11-07

I don't know if anyone has noticed, but there is an interesting article on

the Velo News Web site, about USA Cycling's latest round of "improvements".



After reading the article and knowing a few things the article does not

mention, it gives me a feeling that this organization is trying to

change...but only to keep it's power. I never get the feeling, they

understand where they went wrong (not listening to and serving the

membership) and now they are attempting to change organizational patterns,

instead of ripping out the rotten heart of the organization and getting a

transplant. In my opinion, they just don't care about racers.



Jim VanSchoonhoven