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dacrizzow,
I think upgrading is a positive thing when a rider wants to commit to being faster (this includes putting in training time and the excitement / pain of the extra 15 minutes), but if all of a sudden there were another 30 or more riders deciding they were Cat A or master Cat A riders....and they were in fact not at that level of racing (and may never achieve that level), it will not be a good thing for the new riders or the Cat A riders. Not saying someone should not cat up, but it should be thought through before doing so. The general idea that the riders at the top of C go to B and B to A is logical. Yes you can choose your cat, but logic should play into the decision. So many choices in life!
ron
From: Tim Schauer
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 5:05 PM
To: dacrizzow
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] upgrade or downgrade?
Trying a master A race would be a good experiment. But if you think it will avoid the frustration of being passed, you will be disappointed. You will get lapped. Lapped by the front of the open A mean and likely some of the open A women. at least I do. Not that I am you. I use my name in this list :).
But it is my experience that there is very little over lap between the Master B men and the Master A men. By that I mean the front 10 of the B masters are generally the bottom 25% of the master A men, at least for awhile. The biggest challenge of racing with the A's isn't the speed, but rather the 60-65 minutes as compared to the 40-45 you are racing in the master B men. Also, like I said in the last thread, there is no rude passing or barking at you to move, I have found the A men and women to be the most patient and polite passers of any field. And I should know....they pass me A LOT!
IMNSHO
Tim Schauer
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On Oct 15, 2011, at 4:13 PM, Cole Sprague wrote:
I would upgrade. Im an "A" now after never even touching the top ten of the B's last year but I finish back of the pack. The only way to get faster is to ride against faster people. Technically I'm still a junior but it wouldn't be a fair race if I raced the race I "should" be in.
Just my two cents
Cole Sprague
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On Oct 15, 2011, at 3:24 PM, dacrizzow wrote:
i've got a subject that's been coming up with some of my fellow mid-pack competitors that could maybe use some outside input. my situation-this is my 1st full season in the Mstr B's. i had a decent season last year and thought that i would do my part to thin out the Mstr C's. it's been pretty rough in the Mstr B's but i'm cool with that. i'm getting to race my race without all of the bottleneck issues that plague the Mstr C's. i'm back of the pack but again, i'm cool with that. there's still enough guys around me to keep a good fight going. here's the issue-us guys in the back are getting overtaken by the 50+'s and the jr's. not (too) big a deal for me but after that whole Master/ jr thing last week it's obviously a bigger deal to some. so i'm asking for myself and some others how do some of these other groups feel about this. i had an "A" tell me a few years ago i should cat up no matter how my results are. that didn't sound right at the time. speaking for myself i'll probab
ly finish out the year in the B's but what's some thoughts on this? should the whole last 20 or so of the Mstr B's go back to the C's? or should we spend a season or two pulling aside everytime someone shouts 'leader' or 'not your race' or whatever?
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On Oct 15, 2011, at 3:24 PM, dacrizzow wrote:
i've got a subject that's been coming up with some of my fellow mid-pack competitors that could maybe use some outside input. my situation-this is my 1st full season in the Mstr B's. i had a decent season last year and thought that i would do my part to thin out the Mstr C's. it's been pretty rough in the Mstr B's but i'm cool with that. i'm getting to race my race without all of the bottleneck issues that plague the Mstr C's. i'm back of the pack but again, i'm cool with that. there's still enough guys around me to keep a good fight going. here's the issue-us guys in the back are getting overtaken by the 50+'s and the jr's. not (too) big a deal for me but after that whole Master/ jr thing last week it's obviously a bigger deal to some. so i'm asking for myself and some others how do some of these other groups feel about this. i had an "A" tell me a few years ago i should cat up no matter how my results are. that didn't sound right at the time. speaking for myself i'll probab
ly finish out the year in the B's but what's some thoughts on this? should the whole last 20 or so of the Mstr B's go back to the C's? or should we spend a season or two pulling aside everytime someone shouts 'leader' or 'not your race' or whatever?
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