Number Placement relegation

I'm sure his sponsors would not be psyched to receive a letter from OBRA.

Subject
Number Placement relegation

Date
10/24/2011 08:21 AM

From
Candi Murray

Scenario

At every race last year an official came up to you to explain how your
number placement was a problem for our cameras. You ignored them. At one
race you were started 1 minute behind your field as a penalty.

At the race yesterday you were approached twice before the event and told
your number was unreadable and needed to be changed. You ignored it. Neither
of your two numbers could be read by our cameras. You won the race and when
the CR came to tell you of the relegation you swore and flipped him off.
What does it take?


Ormerod, Gilbert

2011-10-24

Don't ask us to give up on this thread!

Most of us are at our places of employment. These silly threads are a way for us to avoid doing any actual work! :)

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of T. Kenji Sugahara [kenji@obra.org]
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 12:06 PM
To: Melanie Rathe
Cc: obra list
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Number Placement relegation

Mel has it right.

Go ride your bike. There are many more important things than this.

Don't worry- we are working on this issue.

Just remember this- we have a limited pool of officials who put in a
lot of work. It is very frustrating for officials to encounter this
sort of behavior. Many of them do it out of the love for the sport or
because they enjoy it. Please don't make their job any harder.

It also goes both ways- we have been working with our officials to
ensure that they understand that one of their primary jobs is to help
racing enjoyable for all of you.

The sun is shining. Now get off of OBRA chat and go enjoy it.

On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Melanie Rathe wrote:
> Almost....keep in mind that we officials ALWAYS hear about it when results
> are wrong! If racers want accurate results they need to step up to the
> plate and take responsiblity for proper number placement. Period.
>
>
>
> Time to move on and have a nice day! The sun is shining!!!
>
> Mel
>
> ;o)
>
> ________________________________
> From: joec@aracnet.com
> To: "toddistic"
> Cc: "obra list"
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 10:45:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Number Placement relegation
>
> Has this horse been beaten enough?
>
> On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:44:45 -0700, toddistic
> wrote:
>> Only 6 months and 12 days to go.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Jake Rosenfeld wrote:
>>
>> I like watching the guy race. He's fast.
>> If it helps, I will offer to pin his number on for him myself.
>> I may inadvertantly pin his shirt to his bibs but the point is that
>> I'm willing to help.
>>
>> -------------------------
>>
>> FROM: Mike Rosenfeld ;
>> TO: Erik Voldengen ;
>> CC: ;
>> SUBJECT: Re: [OBRA Chat] Number Placement relegation
>> SENT: Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:12:55 PM
>>
>> Regardless of comments the solution is pretty simple.
>>
>> Wear the Number correctly. Case closed. If OBRA pins the number
>> on differently than USCF then so be it.
>>
>> There are consequences for not following rules. Which said rider
>> should fully understand.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Erik Voldengen wrote:
>> These comments are over the top. Suspension? Idiot? Name
>> calling?
>> That's BS.
>>
>> I don't know him, but I believe this guy traveled all the way from
>> Bend to race, and he did very well. He didn't pin his numbers on
>> right. Didn't affect the outcome of the race in any way. In
>> fairness, that shoulder number was attached exactly like you're
>> supposed to at one of the USCF races, e.g. USGP. We pin them on
>> differently.
>>
>> I don't know exactly what was said between the rider and OBRA
>> officials, and neither do you. If you are privy to the exact
>> context,
>> than by all means, do share.
>>
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T. Kenji Sugahara

2011-10-24

Mel has it right.

Go ride your bike. There are many more important things than this.

Don't worry- we are working on this issue.

Just remember this- we have a limited pool of officials who put in a
lot of work. It is very frustrating for officials to encounter this
sort of behavior. Many of them do it out of the love for the sport or
because they enjoy it. Please don't make their job any harder.

It also goes both ways- we have been working with our officials to
ensure that they understand that one of their primary jobs is to help
racing enjoyable for all of you.

The sun is shining. Now get off of OBRA chat and go enjoy it.

On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Melanie Rathe wrote:
> Almost....keep in mind that we officials ALWAYS hear about it when results
> are wrong!


Evan Plews

2011-10-24

Using performance enhancing drugs is flagrant and offensive and often repeated yet seems more popular than ever--even "masters" racers are getting busted left-right-and center these days. Maybe relegations and suspensions simply aren't a deterrent.
Last time I checked, OBRA has every right to deny entry into its events for ANY reason... The old sandbox analogy comes to mind... apparently this individual has a history of fouling the venue so it must be time for him/her to build their own box and invite players who like that kind of "sand".
Most all of us have made mistakes and been "jerks" at one point or another. However folks can become "chronic" offenders and society is still obligated to continue to deal with that behavior in some fashion. OBRA isn't.
Must be time for a board meeting!
Cheers,

Evan Plews
www.evanplews.com
503-949-4879

> To: obra@list.obra.org
> From: mike.murray@obra.org
> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:19:42 +0000
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Number Placement relegation
>
> I believe Candi delineated the issue and content of the interaction in her original note.
> Didn't effect the outcome of the race but bad number placement sure creates a ton of extra work for the officials. I guess that racers can elect to ignore that but racing won't be much fun without anyone to keep track of who won.
>
> This wouldn't be an issue if it wasn't repeated, flagrant and offensive.
>
>
> Mike Murray
> Sent via BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erik Voldengen
> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:58:26
> To:
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Number Placement relegation
>
> These comments are over the top. Suspension? Idiot? Name calling?
> That's BS.
>
> I don't know him, but I believe this guy traveled all the way from
> Bend to race, and he did very well. He didn't pin his numbers on
> right. Didn't affect the outcome of the race in any way. In
> fairness, that shoulder number was attached exactly like you're
> supposed to at one of the USCF races, e.g. USGP. We pin them on
> differently.
>
> I don't know exactly what was said between the rider and OBRA
> officials, and neither do you. If you are privy to the exact context,
> than by all means, do share.
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Erik Voldengen

2011-10-24

[image: deadHorse.jpg]


Melanie Rathe

2011-10-24

Almost....keep in mind that we officials ALWAYS hear about it when results are wrong!  If  racers want accurate results they need to step up to the plate and take responsiblity for proper number placement. Period.

Time to move on and have a nice day! The sun is shining!!!

Mel

;o)

----- Original Message -----
From: joec@aracnet.com
To: "toddistic"
Cc: "obra list"
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 10:45:43 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Number Placement relegation

Has this horse been beaten enough?

On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:44:45 -0700, toddistic
wrote:
> Only 6 months and 12 days to go.
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Jake Rosenfeld  wrote:
>
> I like watching the guy race. He's fast.
>  If it helps, I will offer to pin his number on for him myself.
> I may inadvertantly pin his shirt to his bibs but the point is that
> I'm willing to help.
>
> -------------------------
>
>   FROM:  Mike Rosenfeld ;
>   TO:  Erik Voldengen ;
>   CC:  ;
>   SUBJECT:  Re: [OBRA Chat] Number Placement relegation
>   SENT:  Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:12:55 PM
>
> Regardless of comments the solution is pretty simple.
>  
> Wear the Number correctly.  Case closed.  If OBRA pins the number
> on differently than  USCF then so be it.   
>  
> There are consequences for not following rules. Which said rider
> should fully understand.
>  
>  
>  
>
>  
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Erik Voldengen  wrote:
>   These comments are over the top. Suspension?   Idiot?   Name
> calling?
>  That's BS.
>
>  I don't know him, but I believe this guy traveled all the way from
>  Bend to race, and he did very well.  He didn't pin his numbers on
>  right.  Didn't affect the outcome of the race in any way.  In
>  fairness, that shoulder number was attached exactly like you're
>  supposed to at one of the USCF races, e.g. USGP.  We pin them on
>  differently.
>
>  I don't know exactly what was said between the rider and OBRA
>  officials, and neither do you.  If you are privy to the exact
> context,
>  than by all means, do share.
>
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joec@aracnet.com

2011-10-24

Has this horse been beaten enough?

On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:44:45 -0700, toddistic
wrote:
> Only 6 months and 12 days to go.
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Jake Rosenfeld wrote:
>
> I like watching the guy race. He's fast.
> If it helps, I will offer to pin his number on for him myself.
> I may inadvertantly pin his shirt to his bibs but the point is that
> I'm willing to help.
>
> -------------------------
>
> FROM: Mike Rosenfeld ;
> TO: Erik Voldengen ;
> CC: ;
> SUBJECT: Re: [OBRA Chat] Number Placement relegation
> SENT: Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:12:55 PM
>
> Regardless of comments the solution is pretty simple.
>  
> Wear the Number correctly.  Case closed.  If OBRA pins the number
> on differently than  USCF then so be it. 
>  
> There are consequences for not following rules. Which said rider
> should fully understand.
>  
>  
>  
>
>  
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Erik Voldengen wrote:
> These comments are over the top. Suspension?   Idiot?   Name
> calling?
> That's BS.
>
> I don't know him, but I believe this guy traveled all the way from
> Bend to race, and he did very well.  He didn't pin his numbers on
> right.  Didn't affect the outcome of the race in any way.  In
> fairness, that shoulder number was attached exactly like you're
> supposed to at one of the USCF races, e.g. USGP.  We pin them on
> differently.
>
> I don't know exactly what was said between the rider and OBRA
> officials, and neither do you.  If you are privy to the exact
> context,
> than by all means, do share.
>
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toddistic

2011-10-24

Only 6 months and 12 days to go.

On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Jake Rosenfeld wrote:

> I like watching the guy race. He's fast.
> If it helps, I will offer to pin his number on for him myself.
> I may inadvertantly pin his shirt to his bibs but the point is that I'm
> willing to help.
>
> ------------------------------
> * From: * Mike Rosenfeld ;
> * To: * Erik Voldengen ;
> * Cc: * ;
> * Subject: * Re: [OBRA Chat] Number Placement relegation
> * Sent: * Mon, Oct 24, 2011 5:12:55 PM
>
> Regardless of comments the solution is pretty simple.
>
> Wear the Number correctly. Case closed. If OBRA pins the number on
> differently than USCF then so be it.
>
> There are consequences for not following rules. Which said rider should
> fully understand.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Erik Voldengen wrote:
>
>> These comments are over the top. Suspension? Idiot? Name calling?
>> That's BS.
>>
>> I don't know him, but I believe this guy traveled all the way from
>> Bend to race, and he did very well. He didn't pin his numbers on
>> right. Didn't affect the outcome of the race in any way. In
>> fairness, that shoulder number was attached exactly like you're
>> supposed to at one of the USCF races, e.g. USGP. We pin them on
>> differently.
>>
>> I don't know exactly what was said between the rider and OBRA
>> officials, and neither do you. If you are privy to the exact context,
>> than by all means, do share.
>> _______________________________________________
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>> obra@list.obra.org
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>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
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Jake Rosenfeld

2011-10-24

I like watching the guy race. He's fast.
If it helps, I will offer to pin his number on for him myself.
I may inadvertantly pin his shirt to his bibs but the point is that I'm willing to help.


Erik Voldengen

2011-10-24

I'm not saying the rules shouldn't be enforced. Thank goodness that's
not my job!

I just don't think calling someone an "idiot" is constructive or
appropriate, and it seemed to be getting nastier with time. That's
what bothered me and prompted me to speak up.

-Erik

On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Scott Jones wrote:
> Did you not read Candi's email that started this conversation.
>
> Multiple warnings day of race


Chris Alling

2011-10-24

I thought that it was clear that those without numbers or numbers that are
unreadable do not get scored.

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 8:22 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Number Placement relegation

Scenario

At every race last year an official came up to you to explain how your
number placement was a problem for our cameras. You ignored them. At one
race you were started 1 minute behind your field as a penalty.

At the race yesterday you were approached twice before the event and told
your number was unreadable and needed to be changed. You ignored it. Neither
of your two numbers could be read by our cameras. You won the race and when
the CR came to tell you of the relegation you swore and flipped him off.
What does it take?


halfwheelhill@yahoo.com

2011-10-24

If this was a USCF race he would have auto relegated, DQed when he gave the used profanity and gave official the finger. And would have been reported to the district rep for suspension. Why should OBRA be any different. Blatant disregard for the rules and total lack of respect for the officials should not be tolerated.

Scott
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c.rycewicz@comcast.net

2011-10-24

Relegation seems appropriate for failing to pin the number in a fashion that it can be read. The boorish behavior is a separate matter and perhaps merits an additional warning/penalty.

Christopher A. Rycewicz%0D%0Ac.rycewicz%40comcast.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Rosenfeld"
To: "Erik Voldengen"
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 10:12:55 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Number Placement relegation

Regardless of comments the solution is pretty simple.
 
Wear the Number correctly.  Case closed.  If OBRA pins the number on differently than  USCF then so be it. 
 
There are consequences for not following rules. Which said rider should fully understand.
 
 
 

 
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Erik Voldengen < erikv@erikv.com > wrote:

These comments are over the top. Suspension?   Idiot?   Name calling?
That's BS.

I don't know him, but I believe this guy traveled all the way from
Bend to race, and he did very well.  He didn't pin his numbers on
right.  Didn't affect the outcome of the race in any way.  In
fairness, that shoulder number was attached exactly like you're
supposed to at one of the USCF races, e.g. USGP.  We pin them on
differently.

I don't know exactly what was said between the rider and OBRA
officials, and neither do you.  If you are privy to the exact context,
than by all means, do share.

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Mike Murray

2011-10-24

I believe Candi delineated the issue and content of the interaction in her original note.
Didn't effect the outcome of the race but bad number placement sure creates a ton of extra work for the officials. I guess that racers can elect to ignore that but racing won't be much fun without anyone to keep track of who won.

This wouldn't be an issue if it wasn't repeated, flagrant and offensive.

Mike Murray
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From: Erik Voldengen
Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:58:26
To:
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Number Placement relegation

These comments are over the top. Suspension? Idiot? Name calling?
That's BS.

I don't know him, but I believe this guy traveled all the way from
Bend to race, and he did very well. He didn't pin his numbers on
right. Didn't affect the outcome of the race in any way. In
fairness, that shoulder number was attached exactly like you're
supposed to at one of the USCF races, e.g. USGP. We pin them on
differently.

I don't know exactly what was said between the rider and OBRA
officials, and neither do you. If you are privy to the exact context,
than by all means, do share.
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Andrea Fisk

2011-10-24

Maybe some of these comments are over the top, but look at it this way: if a large majority of the people in a race didn't pin their numbers on right, then a large majority of the race is unaccounted for every lap of every race. I wish every racer could come out once and score a high-volume cross field and see just how crucial number placement is to both the manual scoring and the camera. It was easy to pick out the rider yesterday because he led the men's A field the whole race and we were already looking for him, but what if this had had been the case for


Mike Rosenfeld

2011-10-24

Regardless of comments the solution is pretty simple.

Wear the Number correctly. Case closed. If OBRA pins the number on
differently than USCF then so be it.

There are consequences for not following rules. Which said rider should
fully understand.

On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Erik Voldengen wrote:

> These comments are over the top. Suspension? Idiot? Name calling?
> That's BS.
>
> I don't know him, but I believe this guy traveled all the way from
> Bend to race, and he did very well. He didn't pin his numbers on
> right. Didn't affect the outcome of the race in any way. In
> fairness, that shoulder number was attached exactly like you're
> supposed to at one of the USCF races, e.g. USGP. We pin them on
> differently.
>
> I don't know exactly what was said between the rider and OBRA
> officials, and neither do you. If you are privy to the exact context,
> than by all means, do share.
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Scott Jones

2011-10-24

Did you not read Candi's email that started this conversation.

Multiple warnings day of race same issues last year, ignored officials
requests, vulgar & rude post race. Not even the fact that the other racers
pinned theirs correctly.

At what point does an official stop letting it go with a warning Erik?
Officials do all they can to be professional and show grace over and over,
and over. Many times spending countless amounts of time after the race is
well over trying to find out who a rider is because of number issues,
just.so.they can be placed. Its just not cross, this happens at almost every
race. You might pin your number perfectly every time, many dont.
On Oct 24, 2011 9:58 AM, "Erik Voldengen" wrote:

> These comments are over the top. Suspension? Idiot? Name calling?
> That's BS.
>
> I don't know him, but I believe this guy traveled all the way from
> Bend to race, and he did very well. He didn't pin his numbers on
> right. Didn't affect the outcome of the race in any way. In
> fairness, that shoulder number was attached exactly like you're
> supposed to at one of the USCF races, e.g. USGP. We pin them on
> differently.
>
> I don't know exactly what was said between the rider and OBRA
> officials, and neither do you. If you are privy to the exact context,
> than by all means, do share.
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Tim Schauer

2011-10-24

Sounds clearly like a suspension or penalty of some sort is in order,
but rather than a pound of flesh being the goal, the organization's
goal is to effect change. I would suggest having them be able to
mitigate their suspension through "OBRA community service" which
should in this case include scoring an OBRA crusade race, all day. Or
camera scoring same race. Also their middle finger should be taped to
an adjacent finger for both the community service effort and the next
3 races!

Or, these habitual violators could be assigned a special series of
custom numbers....maybe twice as big covering half their jersey...or
special violator color numbers so the crusade crowds all get an
opportunity to express their "support" :)....okay, maybe that is a
little too passive aggressive....

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On Oct 24, 2011, at 9:46 AM, "halfwheelhill@yahoo.com"
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> I think a 30 day suspension is in order.
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> Scott
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Erik Voldengen

2011-10-24

These comments are over the top. Suspension? Idiot? Name calling?
That's BS.

I don't know him, but I believe this guy traveled all the way from
Bend to race, and he did very well. He didn't pin his numbers on
right. Didn't affect the outcome of the race in any way. In
fairness, that shoulder number was attached exactly like you're
supposed to at one of the USCF races, e.g. USGP. We pin them on
differently.

I don't know exactly what was said between the rider and OBRA
officials, and neither do you. If you are privy to the exact context,
than by all means, do share.


halfwheelhill@yahoo.com

2011-10-24

I think a 30 day suspension is in order.

Scott
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Long, Steve

2011-10-24

Could put up a sign:

Complete Idiots not allowed!

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Rick Johnson
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 9:34 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Number Placement relegation

The behavior described is infantile and indicates a person that has a
problem dealing with authority and structure. It is not OBRA's mission
to correct personality deficits. Participation in OBRA events is a
privilege, not a right. It is my opinion that this type of behavior is
disruptive to conducting an orderly event and is acceptable
justification for exclusion.

Rick Johnson
Bend Oregon

On 10/24/2011 8:21 AM, Candi Murray wrote:

Scenario

At every race last year an official came up to you to explain how your
number placement was a problem for our cameras. You ignored them. At one
race you were started 1 minute behind your field as a penalty.

At the race yesterday you were approached twice before the event and
told your number was unreadable and needed to be changed. You ignored
it. Neither of your two numbers could be read by our cameras. You won
the race and when the CR came to tell you of the relegation you swore
and flipped him off. What does it take?

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Rick Johnson

2011-10-24

The behavior described is infantile and indicates a person that has a
problem dealing with authority and structure. It is not OBRA's mission
to correct personality deficits. Participation in OBRA events is a
privilege, not a right. It is my opinion that this type of behavior is
disruptive to conducting an orderly event and is acceptable
justification for exclusion.

Rick Johnson
Bend Oregon

On 10/24/2011 8:21 AM, Candi Murray wrote:
>
> Scenario
>
> At every race last year an official came up to you to explain how your
> number placement was a problem for our cameras. You ignored them. At
> one race you were started 1 minute behind your field as a penalty.
>
> At the race yesterday you were approached twice before the event and
> told your number was unreadable and needed to be changed. You ignored
> it. Neither of your two numbers could be read by our cameras. You won
> the race and when the CR came to tell you of the relegation you swore
> and flipped him off. What does it take?
>
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rondot@spiritone.com

2011-10-24

Maybe it is the “me syndrome”.
Not sure of rules, but it seems this person should not be allowed to race for at least a number of races. If the same situation takes place again, maybe OBRA needs to not have him / her race a full calendar year. Last but not least, if done the third time I would think this person is well done (as in turkey dinner or cooked goose).
Maybe this person views him / herself as “special”. If the scenario you describe is factual, I would agree the person is “special”. Not in a way that does much to help us all be reasonable and do our part help each other.
Maybe there are medications that might help.
ron

From: David Rosen
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 8:25 AM
To: cmurray@obra.org ; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Number Placement relegation

Is physical abuse/ corporal punishment allowed?

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 8:22 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Number Placement relegation

Scenario

At every race last year an official came up to you to explain how your number placement was a problem for our cameras. You ignored them. At one race you were started 1 minute behind your field as a penalty.

At the race yesterday you were approached twice before the event and told your number was unreadable and needed to be changed. You ignored it. Neither of your two numbers could be read by our cameras. You won the race and when the CR came to tell you of the relegation you swore and flipped him off. What does it take?

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Kevin

2011-10-24

6 month OBRA suspension? Does OBRA really need members like this? Road, trail, or track, we are all ambassadors for our sport.


David Rosen

2011-10-24

Is physical abuse/ corporal punishment allowed?

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 8:22 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Number Placement relegation

Scenario

At every race last year an official came up to you to explain how your
number placement was a problem for our cameras. You ignored them. At one
race you were started 1 minute behind your field as a penalty.

At the race yesterday you were approached twice before the event and told
your number was unreadable and needed to be changed. You ignored it. Neither
of your two numbers could be read by our cameras. You won the race and when
the CR came to tell you of the relegation you swore and flipped him off.
What does it take?


Candi Murray

2011-10-24

Scenario

At every race last year an official came up to you to explain how your
number placement was a problem for our cameras. You ignored them. At one
race you were started 1 minute behind your field as a penalty.

At the race yesterday you were approached twice before the event and told
your number was unreadable and needed to be changed. You ignored it. Neither
of your two numbers could be read by our cameras. You won the race and when
the CR came to tell you of the relegation you swore and flipped him off.
What does it take?