Victims of Success

rondot@spiritone.com

2011-11-09

Some of us were talking and I stated it was much more fun during the race than when I did pre-ride. I think living on the edge as we do when racing is what made it fun for me. I would have been fine with way more mud, but maybe still the nice sunshine for bell ringing!
ron

From: joshua liberles
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:11 PM
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That's funny--I actually thought it was more 'cross like and less mountain bikey than many of the courses I've seen recently. Different perspectives, of course, (and from a roadie) but I like the crazy MTB-style too. Heck, I even like jungle cross on occasion... But I thought Barton was awesome!

--- On Tue, 11/8/11, Steve Lacey wrote:

From: Steve Lacey
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Victims of Success
To: "Jake Rosenfeld"
Cc: "Obra List serve"
Date: Tuesday, November 8, 2011, 12:05 PM

Thanks for the explanation, Jake. I understand constraints imposed on promoters by venue managers and appreciate the work promoters put in to make great smooth running races.

Steve

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From: Jake Rosenfeld
To: Steve Lacey
Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2011 5:24 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Victims of Success

Hey Steve,
I know an email like this has probabally been brewing longer than just from sunday but I have a fast and dirty answer for some of it.

Barton for all it's wide open space actually has a lot of constraints for the promoter. The gully which used to be a favored feature became off limits several years ago for in the name of 'runoff concerns' from the owners, the same thing is true for some of the other 'invisiblely sensitive' areas of the venue.
The trip down the fence line and around the back had to be abandoned due to dozens of flats from blackberrys.

In the past we wern't allowed to use the trip thru the RV area at all, we can now but then this year they took away the mud-flats exit from it too.
Whadda ya do?
As to the extra sections for the upperclassmen, I agree but thinking back I believe that every course so far has had a section added in at the start of the A race to make it longer and to add a few turns.

I know there is no perfect answer to all your questions but hopefully this helps with some of them.

See you at Pir!
jake

From: Steve Lacey
To: Obra List serve
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 10:42 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Victims of Success

After racing at the terrific venue of Barton and being disappointed with a course that did not employ some of the great and challenging terrain present and used in courses years ago, I'm wondering if we are not experiencing a dumbing-down of Cross Crusade courses due to its incredible popularity and number of racers.

I certainly can understand from Brad's perspective designing less technical courses reduces the potential for delays and more importantly less trips to the emergency room. This is my conjecture and don't know if I am off the mark, but it is a logical analysis. It just seem like technical terrain is being avoided that was used in years past. With over 200 riders on the course keeping them upright and moving is a compelling argument for any race director.

This is not a criticism, but if this is a rational analysis, I guess one could look at this as an opportunity for the Saturday promoters to up the ante for venues with crowds at half the size of Cross Crusade races and make them technically challenging as there are far fewer racers on the course. I know I would certainly make the Saturday races first priority.

Not being a promoter I don't know the answer to this, but I suspect it would add enough complexity to the circus so as not to be realistically considered given the number of racers. But here goes, what about taking cues from mountain biking where Cat 1 racers sometimes have an alternate route that is more challenging? Brad and team could have technical sections looped into the course for A and B racers. It might take some rescheduling of particular races but...

Nah, just ravings from a jaded mountain biker who thrives on technical and is looking for any advantage to compete against the roadies' power.

Steve

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joshua liberles

2011-11-09

That's funny--I actually thought it was more 'cross like and less mountain bikey than many of the courses I've seen recently. Different perspectives, of course, (and from a roadie) but I like the crazy MTB-style too. Heck, I even like jungle cross on occasion... But I thought Barton was awesome!

--- On Tue, 11/8/11, Steve Lacey wrote:

From: Steve Lacey
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Victims of Success
To: "Jake Rosenfeld"
Cc: "Obra List serve"
Date: Tuesday, November 8, 2011, 12:05 PM

Thanks for the explanation, Jake.


rondot@spiritone.com

2011-11-08

In the end we all had fun though. Right?
I learned something yesterday. At 62 I could cat up! Don is the “Captain” for good reason!
I say thanks..............Crusade and the guys doing the Saturday races. If the Saturday races draw enough riders to make it worthwhile to continue.............all of our strength / weakness will get a stage as the courses differ so much! Winter Cross could be EPIC as could the Psycho / OBRA Champs. Different course than Ninkrossi for Winter Cross and if we are in a really wet time for Psycho (and Sal gets permission to use part of that field on the South side of the parking area.....well people..........you will have a challenge that is for sure. I have been out in that area in muddy conditions on at least 3 occasions and I do believe I could define it as BRUTAL. Oh! Also fun.
Most of you know I love the technical courses, but there are technical sections that a roadie can crush if he / she just has the knowledge, skill and most of all courage to attack. An example is flat sections of thick mud. He / she can approach it properly or can flop around like a beetle on it’s back trying to right the ship.
I agree Cross was born of road racing...........but it is not road racing. Especially here in the NW. We have so many options from the normal grass, gravel and pavement to.....sand, hills, river rock, plain old rock, frost, ice, snow and did I mention MUD.
We have it good and most important we have “choices”. Pretty sweet situation in my opinion.
Our organization, promoters and state where we reside offer a great deal to us rebels.
ronnie

From: Grant Collins
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:17 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org ; rickcjohnson1@gmail.com ; adam_holt@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Victims of Success

I agree Adam, my best race this year was a Wednesday night at Alpenrose with a narly downpour mud shin deep and thick, water flowing down the black top like the Columbia.

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From: adam holt ;
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Sent: Tue, Nov 8, 2011 4:13:47 PM

*Disclaimer - I missed Barton so I can't speak for that particular course, but...

I think Troy hit the nail on the head there... the first PIR had the potential to be an off-camber slick nightmare of a course with a lot of running but, due to weather, it was, well, just really fast. And a lot of fun! (Even if the really fit guys just left me in their wake...) I just chalked most of this season up to an odd weather pattern that favored a different type of racer. Things could be different next year - or even the rest of this year, for that matter! Still quite a few races left that have the potential to favor good bike handling over raw power output.

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From: grantcollins@ymail.com
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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Victims of Success

And I have raced in all three of those circumstances this year! Banana Belt at Hagg Lake canceled by snow, Spring Break Super D, had to shovel snow to start, and this years cross season. Good times to be had for all!

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From: Rick Johnson ;
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Sent: Tue, Nov 8, 2011 3:40:56 PM

That one should be filed under "season starts too early".
Symptoms include:

a.. Road races cancelled by snow storms
b.. MTB race courses that have to be snow shoveled

c.. Cyclocross races that require dust masks

Rick Johnson
Bend Oregon

* * *

On 11/8/2011 7:05 AM, Troy Sexton wrote:
I think it has more to do with the weather this year than the courses. PIR had a substantial amount of off camber stuff. Everything is more technical in the rain.

On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:44 AM, Grant Collins wrote:

Cheers to that! I up for technical. But then it just turns into miles of off camber, and stuff that can't be riden. Cross is truly a roadies race, always has been and is supposed to be. I'm an avid mountain biker, ranked in the state. But the true tradition of cross needs to remain. My 2cents.

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From: Steve Lacey ;
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Subject: [OBRA Chat] Victims of Success
Sent: Tue, Nov 8, 2011 6:42:38 AM

After racing at the terrific venue of Barton and being disappointed with a course that did not employ some of the great and challenging terrain present and used in courses years ago, I'm wondering if we are not experiencing a dumbing-down of Cross Crusade courses due to its incredible popularity and number of racers.

I certainly can understand from Brad's perspective designing less technical courses reduces the potential for delays and more importantly less trips to the emergency room. This is my conjecture and don't know if I am off the mark, but it is a logical analysis. It just seem like technical terrain is being avoided that was used in years past. With over 200 riders on the course keeping them upright and moving is a compelling argument for any race director.

This is not a criticism, but if this is a rational analysis, I guess one could look at this as an opportunity for the Saturday promoters to up the ante for venues with crowds at half the size of Cross Crusade races and make them technically challenging as there are far fewer racers on the course. I know I would certainly make the Saturday races first priority.

Not being a promoter I don't know the answer to this, but I suspect it would add enough complexity to the circus so as not to be realistically considered given the number of racers. But here goes, what about taking cues from mountain biking where Cat 1 racers sometimes have an alternate route that is more challenging? Brad and team could have technical sections looped into the course for A and B racers. It might take some rescheduling of particular races but...

Nah, just ravings from a jaded mountain biker who thrives on technical and is looking for any advantage to compete against the roadies' power.

Steve

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Steve Lacey

2011-11-08

Thanks for the explanation, Jake.


Dan H

2011-11-08

Looks like PIR might be a mud mixed with goose poo Sunday.

On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:13 AM, adam holt wrote:

> *Disclaimer - I missed Barton so I can't speak for that particular course, but...
>
> I think Troy hit the nail on the head there... the first PIR had the potential to be an off-camber slick nightmare of a course with a lot of running but, due to weather, it was, well, just really fast. And a lot of fun! (Even if the really fit guys just left me in their wake...) I just chalked most of this season up to an odd weather pattern that favored a different type of racer. Things could be different next year - or even the rest of this year, for that matter! Still quite a few races left that have the potential to favor good bike handling over raw power output.
>
> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 07:47:47 -0800
> From: grantcollins@ymail.com
> To: obra@list.obra.org; rickcjohnson1@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Victims of Success
>
> And I have raced in all three of those circumstances this year! Banana Belt at Hagg Lake canceled by snow, Spring Break Super D, had to shovel snow to start, and this years cross season. Good times to be had for all!
>
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android
>
> From: Rick Johnson ;
> To: ;
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Victims of Success
> Sent: Tue, Nov 8, 2011 3:40:56 PM
>
> That one should be filed under "season starts too early".
> Symptoms include:
> Road races cancelled by snow storms
> MTB race courses that have to be snow shoveled
> Cyclocross races that require dust masks
>
> Rick Johnson
> Bend Oregon
>
> * * *
>
> On 11/8/2011 7:05 AM, Troy Sexton wrote:
> I think it has more to do with the weather this year than the courses. PIR had a substantial amount of off camber stuff. Everything is more technical in the rain.
>
>
>
> On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:44 AM, Grant Collins wrote:
>
> Cheers to that! I up for technical. But then it just turns into miles of off camber, and stuff that can't be riden. Cross is truly a roadies race, always has been and is supposed to be. I'm an avid mountain biker, ranked in the state. But the true tradition of cross needs to remain. My 2cents.
>
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android
>
> From: Steve Lacey ;
> To: Obra List serve ;
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Victims of Success
> Sent: Tue, Nov 8, 2011 6:42:38 AM
>
> After racing at the terrific venue of Barton and being disappointed with a course that did not employ some of the great and challenging terrain present and used in courses years ago, I'm wondering if we are not experiencing a dumbing-down of Cross Crusade courses due to its incredible popularity and number of racers.
>
> I certainly can understand from Brad's perspective designing less technical courses reduces the potential for delays and more importantly less trips to the emergency room. This is my conjecture and don't know if I am off the mark, but it is a logical analysis. It just seem like technical terrain is being avoided that was used in years past. With over 200 riders on the course keeping them upright and moving is a compelling argument for any race director.
>
> This is not a criticism, but if this is a rational analysis, I guess one could look at this as an opportunity for the Saturday promoters to up the ante for venues with crowds at half the size of Cross Crusade races and make them technically challenging as there are far fewer racers on the course. I know I would certainly make the Saturday races first priority.
>
> Not being a promoter I don't know the answer to this, but I suspect it would add enough complexity to the circus so as not to be realistically considered given the number of racers. But here goes, what about taking cues from mountain biking where Cat 1 racers sometimes have an alternate route that is more challenging? Brad and team could have technical sections looped into the course for A and B racers. It might take some rescheduling of particular races but...
>
> Nah, just ravings from a jaded mountain biker who thrives on technical and is looking for any advantage to compete against the roadies' power.
>
> Steve
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Grant Collins

2011-11-08

I agree Adam, my best race this year was a Wednesday night at Alpenrose with a narly downpour mud shin deep and thick, water flowing down the black top like the Columbia.

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adam holt

2011-11-08

*Disclaimer - I missed Barton so I can't speak for that particular course, but...

I think Troy hit the nail on the head there... the first PIR had the potential to be an off-camber slick nightmare of a course with a lot of running but, due to weather, it was, well, just really fast. And a lot of fun! (Even if the really fit guys just left me in their wake...) I just chalked most of this season up to an odd weather pattern that favored a different type of racer. Things could be different next year - or even the rest of this year, for that matter! Still quite a few races left that have the potential to favor good bike handling over raw power output.

Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 07:47:47 -0800
From: grantcollins@ymail.com
To: obra@list.obra.org; rickcjohnson1@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Victims of Success

And I have raced in all three of those circumstances this year! Banana Belt at Hagg Lake canceled by snow, Spring Break Super D, had to shovel snow to start, and this years cross season. Good times to be had for all!

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From: Rick Johnson ;
To: ;
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Victims of Success
Sent: Tue, Nov 8, 2011 3:40:56 PM

That one should be filed under "season starts too early".
Symptoms include:

Road races cancelled by snow storms
MTB race courses that have to be snow shoveled

Cyclocross races that require dust masks

Rick Johnson
Bend Oregon

* * *

On 11/8/2011 7:05 AM, Troy Sexton wrote:
I think it has more to do with the weather this year than the courses. PIR had a substantial amount of off camber stuff. Everything is more technical in the rain.

On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:44 AM, Grant Collins wrote:

Cheers to that! I up for technical. But then it just turns into miles of off camber, and stuff that can't be riden. Cross is truly a roadies race, always has been and is supposed to be. I'm an avid mountain biker, ranked in the state. But the true tradition of cross needs to remain. My 2cents.

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From: Steve Lacey ;
To: Obra List serve ;
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Victims of Success
Sent: Tue, Nov 8, 2011 6:42:38 AM

After racing at the terrific venue of Barton and being disappointed with a course that did not employ some of the great and challenging terrain present and used in courses years ago, I'm wondering if we are not experiencing a dumbing-down of Cross Crusade courses due to its incredible popularity and number of racers.

I certainly can understand from Brad's perspective designing less technical courses reduces the potential for delays and more importantly less trips to the emergency room. This is my conjecture and don't know if I am off the mark, but it is a logical analysis. It just seem like technical terrain is being avoided that was used in years past. With over 200 riders on the course keeping them upright and moving is a compelling argument for any race director.

This is not a criticism, but if this is a rational analysis, I guess one could look at this as an opportunity for the Saturday promoters to up the ante for venues with crowds at half the size of Cross Crusade races and make them technically challenging as there are far fewer racers on the course. I know I would certainly make the Saturday races first priority.

Not being a promoter I don't know the answer to this, but I suspect it would add enough complexity to the circus so as not to be realistically considered given the number of racers. But here goes, what about taking cues from mountain biking where Cat 1 racers sometimes have an alternate route that is more challenging? Brad and team could have technical sections looped into the course for A and B racers. It might take some rescheduling of particular races but...

Nah, just ravings from a jaded mountain biker who thrives on technical and is looking for any advantage to compete against the roadies' power.

Steve
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Grant Collins

2011-11-08

And I have raced in all three of those circumstances this year! Banana Belt at Hagg Lake canceled by snow, Spring Break Super D, had to shovel snow to start, and this years cross season. Good times to be had for all!

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Rick Johnson

2011-11-08

That one should be filed under "season starts too early".
Symptoms include:

* Road races cancelled by snow storms
* MTB race courses that have to be snow shoveled
* Cyclocross races that require dust masks

Rick Johnson
Bend Oregon

* * *

On 11/8/2011 7:05 AM, Troy Sexton wrote:
> I think it has more to do with the weather this year than the courses.
> PIR had a substantial amount of off camber stuff. Everything is more
> technical in the rain.
>
>
>
> On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:44 AM, Grant Collins wrote:
>
>> Cheers to that! I up for technical. But then it just turns into miles
>> of off camber, and stuff that can't be riden. Cross is truly a
>> roadies race, always has been and is supposed to be. I'm an avid
>> mountain biker, ranked in the state. But the true tradition of cross
>> needs to remain. My 2cents.
>>
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From: * Steve Lacey >;
>> *To: * Obra List serve >;
>> *Subject: * [OBRA Chat] Victims of Success
>> *Sent: * Tue, Nov 8, 2011 6:42:38 AM
>>
>> After racing at the terrific venue of Barton and being disappointed
>> with a course that did not employ some of the great and challenging
>> terrain present and used in courses years ago, I'm wondering if we
>> are not experiencing a dumbing-down of Cross Crusade courses due to
>> its incredible popularity and number of racers.
>>
>> I certainly can understand from Brad's perspective designing less
>> technical courses reduces the potential for delays and more
>> importantly less trips to the emergency room. This is my conjecture
>> and don't know if I am off the mark, but it is a logical analysis.
>> It just seem like technical terrain is being avoided that was used
>> in years past. With over 200 riders on the course keeping them
>> upright and moving is a compelling argument for any race director.
>>
>> This is not a criticism, but if this is a rational analysis, I guess
>> one could look at this as an opportunity for the Saturday promoters
>> to up the ante for venues with crowds at half the size of Cross
>> Crusade races and make them technically challenging as there are far
>> fewer racers on the course. I know I would certainly make the
>> Saturday races first priority.
>>
>> Not being a promoter I don't know the answer to this, but I suspect
>> it would add enough complexity to the circus so as not to be
>> realistically considered given the number of racers. But here goes,
>> what about taking cues from mountain biking where Cat 1 racers
>> sometimes have an alternate route that is more challenging? Brad and
>> team could have technical sections looped into the course for A and
>> B racers. It might take some rescheduling of particular races but...
>>
>> Nah, just ravings from a jaded mountain biker who thrives on
>> technical and is looking for any advantage to compete against the
>> roadies' power.
>>
>> Steve
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Troy Sexton

2011-11-08

I think it has more to do with the weather this year than the courses. PIR had a substantial amount of off camber stuff. Everything is more technical in the rain.

On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:44 AM, Grant Collins wrote:

> Cheers to that! I up for technical. But then it just turns into miles of off camber, and stuff that can't be riden. Cross is truly a roadies race, always has been and is supposed to be. I'm an avid mountain biker, ranked in the state. But the true tradition of cross needs to remain. My 2cents.
>
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android
>
>
> From: Steve Lacey ;
> To: Obra List serve ;
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Victims of Success
> Sent: Tue, Nov 8, 2011 6:42:38 AM
>
> After racing at the terrific venue of Barton and being disappointed with a course that did not employ some of the great and challenging terrain present and used in courses years ago, I'm wondering if we are not experiencing a dumbing-down of Cross Crusade courses due to its incredible popularity and number of racers.
>
> I certainly can understand from Brad's perspective designing less technical courses reduces the potential for delays and more importantly less trips to the emergency room. This is my conjecture and don't know if I am off the mark, but it is a logical analysis. It just seem like technical terrain is being avoided that was used in years past. With over 200 riders on the course keeping them upright and moving is a compelling argument for any race director.
>
> This is not a criticism, but if this is a rational analysis, I guess one could look at this as an opportunity for the Saturday promoters to up the ante for venues with crowds at half the size of Cross Crusade races and make them technically challenging as there are far fewer racers on the course. I know I would certainly make the Saturday races first priority.
>
> Not being a promoter I don't know the answer to this, but I suspect it would add enough complexity to the circus so as not to be realistically considered given the number of racers. But here goes, what about taking cues from mountain biking where Cat 1 racers sometimes have an alternate route that is more challenging? Brad and team could have technical sections looped into the course for A and B racers. It might take some rescheduling of particular races but...
>
> Nah, just ravings from a jaded mountain biker who thrives on technical and is looking for any advantage to compete against the roadies' power.
>
> Steve
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tackyglueit

2011-11-08

very well said Grant, could not agree with you more.

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 6:44 AM, Grant Collins wrote:

> Cheers to that! I up for technical. But then it just turns into miles of
> off camber, and stuff that can't be riden. Cross is truly a roadies race,
> always has been and is supposed to be. I'm an avid mountain biker, ranked
> in the state. But the true tradition of cross needs to remain. My 2cents.
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android
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> ------------------------------
> * From: * Steve Lacey ;
> * To: * Obra List serve ;
> * Subject: * [OBRA Chat] Victims of Success
> * Sent: * Tue, Nov 8, 2011 6:42:38 AM
>
> After racing at the terrific venue of Barton and being disappointed
> with a course that did not employ some of the great and challenging terrain
> present and used in courses years ago, I'm wondering if we are not
> experiencing a dumbing-down of Cross Crusade courses due to its incredible
> popularity and number of racers.
>
> I certainly can understand from Brad's perspective designing less
> technical courses reduces the potential for delays and more importantly
> less trips to the emergency room. This is my conjecture and don't know if
> I am off the mark, but it is a logical analysis. It just seem like
> technical terrain is being avoided that was used in years past. With over
> 200 riders on the course keeping them upright and moving is a compelling
> argument for any race director.
>
> This is not a criticism, but if this is a rational analysis, I guess one
> could look at this as an opportunity for the Saturday promoters to up the
> ante for venues with crowds at half the size of Cross Crusade races and
> make them technically challenging as there are far fewer racers on the
> course. I know I would certainly make the Saturday races first priority.
>
> Not being a promoter I don't know the answer to this, but I suspect it
> would add enough complexity to the circus so as not to be realistically
> considered given the number of racers. But here goes, what about taking
> cues from mountain biking where Cat 1 racers sometimes have an alternate
> route that is more challenging? Brad and team could have technical
> sections looped into the course for A and B racers. It might take some
> rescheduling of particular races but...
>
> Nah, just ravings from a jaded mountain biker who thrives on technical
> and is looking for any advantage to compete against the roadies' power.
>
> Steve
>
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Grant Collins

2011-11-08

Cheers to that! I up for technical. But then it just turns into miles of off camber, and stuff that can't be riden. Cross is truly a roadies race, always has been and is supposed to be. I'm an avid mountain biker, ranked in the state. But the true tradition of cross needs to remain. My 2cents.

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Steve Lacey

2011-11-08

After racing at the terrific venue of Barton and being disappointed with a course that did not employ some of the great and challenging terrain present and used in courses years ago, I'm wondering if we are not experiencing a dumbing-down of Cross Crusade courses due to its incredible popularity and number of racers.

I certainly can understand from Brad's perspective designing less technical courses reduces the potential for delays and more importantly less trips to the emergency room.