Re: Handrails for cyclocross races

rondot@spiritone.com

2011-11-09

Will never forgot that, but I still am not sure it was real....I thought maybe a dream!
ron

From: EAL
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 7:51 PM
To: EAL ; Chris Cortez ; Steve B
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Handrails for cyclocross races

My apologies. It's actually Johnson Farm

Ed

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From: EAL
To: Chris Cortez ; Steve B
Cc: "obra@list.obra.org"
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Handrails for cyclocross races

And who can forget the "Pit O'Mud" at Jackson Farm, not a run up, but a crawl up, and sometimes a crawl up, slide down and crawl up again? To make it worse, you had the spectators above cheering the mayhem.

Ed

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From: Chris Cortez
To: Steve B
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Handrails for cyclocross races

I agree. It revealed how little technical skill I have, and the run/walk/crawl-up ate my lunch to be sure, but it was nothing like too hard.

I know it was a great course - if a little long - because I'm still running several sections over and over in my mind trying to do them better.

On Nov 8, 2011, at 4:47 PM, Steve B wrote:

> I'll second that about Edgefield as it was actually a pretty good single speed course even as Sam demonstrated. A few short run ups that everyone had to run but nothing like the ol' "Knapp-Time run up" at Steilacoom and the rest of the course was was fast including a couple mud sections that were "just right" in consistency :)
>
> Re: Handrails for cyclocross races
> Date
> 11/08/2011 04:28 PM
> From
> Brooke Hoyer
>
> Anyone who said Edgefield was too hard are grossly exaggerating. Classic CX
> course. Something for everyone. So many transitions ...
>
> Fairly long winded course description here:
> http://hoyerfamily.com/cyclocross/?p=565
>
> Brooke
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 3:51 PM, wrote:
>
>> Thanks so much for posting those.
>> Those are amazing....and my back hurts now after viewing. Thanks man!
>> Honestly neat to see how much of an adventure it used to be. We still get
>> bits and pieces of that, but more would be fine with me. But wow! The
>> folks racing a 25-28 pound mountain bike would sure suffer hauling it up
>> some of those steeps!
>> I still remember that one XC race Half Fast Velo put on down at Black Rock
>> when they had us haul our bikes up this super steep hill (or did they do
>> that same hill twice...I don't remember) for about 30-40 yards I think.
>> Very Brutal. But it was the same for every racer on the course. It was
>> fantastic.
>> The run-up at David Douglas was a good one. I hear Edgefield had some
>> good run-up.....but I heard it was too hard. I wonder if it really was too
>> hard?
>> ronnie
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My apologies.


And who can forget the "Pit O'Mud" at Jackson Farm, not a run up, but a crawl up, and sometimes a crawl up, slide down and crawl up again?


Chris Cortez

2011-11-09

I agree. It revealed how little technical skill I have, and the run/
walk/crawl-up ate my lunch to be sure, but it was nothing like too hard.

I know it was a great course - if a little long - because I'm still
running several sections over and over in my mind trying to do them
better.

On Nov 8, 2011, at 4:47 PM, Steve B wrote:

> I'll second that about Edgefield as it was actually a pretty good
> single speed course even as Sam demonstrated. A few short run ups
> that everyone had to run but nothing like the ol' "Knapp-Time run
> up" at Steilacoom and the rest of the course was was fast including
> a couple mud sections that were "just right" in consistency :)
>
> Re: Handrails for cyclocross races
> Date
> 11/08/2011 04:28 PM
> From
> Brooke Hoyer
>
> Anyone who said Edgefield was too hard are grossly exaggerating.
> Classic CX
> course. Something for everyone. So many transitions ...
>
> Fairly long winded course description here:
> http://hoyerfamily.com/cyclocross/?p=565
>
> Brooke
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 3:51 PM, wrote:
>
>> Thanks so much for posting those.
>> Those are amazing....and my back hurts now after viewing. Thanks man!
>> Honestly neat to see how much of an adventure it used to be. We
>> still get
>> bits and pieces of that, but more would be fine with me. But wow! The
>> folks racing a 25-28 pound mountain bike would sure suffer hauling
>> it up
>> some of those steeps!
>> I still remember that one XC race Half Fast Velo put on down at
>> Black Rock
>> when they had us haul our bikes up this super steep hill (or did
>> they do
>> that same hill twice...I don't remember) for about 30-40 yards I
>> think.
>> Very Brutal. But it was the same for every racer on the course. It
>> was
>> fantastic.
>> The run-up at David Douglas was a good one. I hear Edgefield had some
>> good run-up.....but I heard it was too hard. I wonder if it really
>> was too
>> hard?
>> ronnie
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JJ Heldmann

2011-11-09

Edgefield was too hard?! I'm one of the biggest wusses there is, and
still not very adept at technical stuff, and I managed it all just
fine (well, my lower back was not happy with me on the last laps
during the run-ups, but I pretty much ignored it for the most part -
and that has everything to do with my physical state, not the course!)
Challenging, for sure, but *too* hard? Pish tosh. I thought it was awesome.

JJ

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On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 3:51 PM, wrote:
> Thanks so much for posting those.
> Those are amazing....and my back hurts now after viewing.


Steve B

2011-11-09

I'll second that about Edgefield as it was actually a pretty good single speed course even as Sam demonstrated. A few short run ups that everyone had to run but nothing like the ol' "Knapp-Time run up" at Steilacoom and the rest of the course was was fast including a couple mud sections that were "just right" in consistency :)

Re: Handrails for cyclocross races
Date
11/08/2011 04:28 PM
From
Brooke Hoyer

Anyone who said Edgefield was too hard are grossly exaggerating. Classic CX
course. Something for everyone. So many transitions ...

Fairly long winded course description here:
http://hoyerfamily.com/cyclocross/?p=565

Brooke

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 3:51 PM, wrote:

> Thanks so much for posting those.
> Those are amazing....and my back hurts now after viewing. Thanks man!
> Honestly neat to see how much of an adventure it used to be. We still get
> bits and pieces of that, but more would be fine with me. But wow! The
> folks racing a 25-28 pound mountain bike would sure suffer hauling it up
> some of those steeps!
> I still remember that one XC race Half Fast Velo put on down at Black Rock
> when they had us haul our bikes up this super steep hill (or did they do
> that same hill twice...I don't remember) for about 30-40 yards I think.
> Very Brutal. But it was the same for every racer on the course. It was
> fantastic.
> The run-up at David Douglas was a good one. I hear Edgefield had some
> good run-up.....but I heard it was too hard. I wonder if it really was too
> hard?
> ronnie


Brooke Hoyer

2011-11-09

Anyone who said Edgefield was too hard are grossly exaggerating. Classic CX
course. Something for everyone. So many transitions ...

Fairly long winded course description here:
http://hoyerfamily.com/cyclocross/?p=565

Brooke

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 3:51 PM, wrote:

> Thanks so much for posting those.
> Those are amazing....and my back hurts now after viewing. Thanks man!
> Honestly neat to see how much of an adventure it used to be. We still get
> bits and pieces of that, but more would be fine with me. But wow! The
> folks racing a 25-28 pound mountain bike would sure suffer hauling it up
> some of those steeps!
> I still remember that one XC race Half Fast Velo put on down at Black Rock
> when they had us haul our bikes up this super steep hill (or did they do
> that same hill twice...I don't remember) for about 30-40 yards I think.
> Very Brutal. But it was the same for every racer on the course. It was
> fantastic.
> The run-up at David Douglas was a good one. I hear Edgefield had some
> good run-up.....but I heard it was too hard. I wonder if it really was too
> hard?
> ronnie
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Brian Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 12:26 PM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Handrails for cyclocross races
>
> For those of you afraid of cyclocross becoming "too technical" and
> destroying the spirit of the discipline:
>
> http://www.blackbirdsf.org/cx/**christopheoncx.html
>
> http://ncncacx.blogspot.com/**2010/08/vintage-cyclo-cross.**html
>
> Please pay careful attention to the photos. I can't imagine the outrage on
> this list should we ever be presented with a cyclocross race that featured
> any of the terrain obstacles present in these photos.
>
> On a final note, I'd like to point out that in cyclocross you are NOT
> supposed to be able to ride everything.
>
> :)
>
>
> Cheers!
> Brian J.
>
> Message: 27
>> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 07:03:23 -0800
>> From: tackyglueit
>> To: Grant Collins
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Victims of Success
>>
>>
>> very well said Grant, could not agree with you more.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 6:44 AM, Grant Collins > >wrote:
>>
>> Cheers to that! I up for technical. But then it just turns into miles of
>>> off camber, and stuff that can't be riden. Cross is truly a roadies race,
>>> always has been and is supposed to be. I'm an avid mountain biker, ranked
>>> in the state. But the true tradition of cross needs to remain. My 2cents.
>>>
>>
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rondot@spiritone.com

2011-11-08

Thanks so much for posting those.
Those are amazing....and my back hurts now after viewing. Thanks man!
Honestly neat to see how much of an adventure it used to be. We still get
bits and pieces of that, but more would be fine with me. But wow! The
folks racing a 25-28 pound mountain bike would sure suffer hauling it up
some of those steeps!
I still remember that one XC race Half Fast Velo put on down at Black Rock
when they had us haul our bikes up this super steep hill (or did they do
that same hill twice...I don't remember) for about 30-40 yards I think.
Very Brutal. But it was the same for every racer on the course. It was
fantastic.
The run-up at David Douglas was a good one. I hear Edgefield had some good
run-up.....but I heard it was too hard. I wonder if it really was too hard?
ronnie

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 12:26 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Handrails for cyclocross races

For those of you afraid of cyclocross becoming "too technical" and
destroying the spirit of the discipline:

http://www.blackbirdsf.org/cx/christopheoncx.html

http://ncncacx.blogspot.com/2010/08/vintage-cyclo-cross.html

Please pay careful attention to the photos. I can't imagine the outrage on
this list should we ever be presented with a cyclocross race that featured
any of the terrain obstacles present in these photos.

On a final note, I'd like to point out that in cyclocross you are NOT
supposed to be able to ride everything.

:)

Cheers!
Brian J.

> Message: 27
> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 07:03:23 -0800
> From: tackyglueit
> To: Grant Collins
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Victims of Success
>
>
> very well said Grant, could not agree with you more.
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 6:44 AM, Grant Collins
> wrote:
>
>> Cheers to that! I up for technical. But then it just turns into miles of
>> off camber, and stuff that can't be riden. Cross is truly a roadies race,
>> always has been and is supposed to be. I'm an avid mountain biker, ranked
>> in the state. But the true tradition of cross needs to remain. My 2cents.

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don person

2011-11-08

I have raced 'cross courses like that in Oregon.
Once had to rescue a junior racer from drowning when he fell face
first in the knee-deep, 200-foot long mud bog and his bike pinned him
to the ground.

-shiggy

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Brian Johnson
wrote:
> For those of you afraid of cyclocross becoming "too technical" and destroying the spirit of the discipline:
>
> http://www.blackbirdsf.org/cx/christopheoncx.html
>
> http://ncncacx.blogspot.com/2010/08/vintage-cyclo-cross.html
>
> Please pay careful attention to the photos. I can't imagine the outrage on this list should we ever be presented with a cyclocross race that featured any of the terrain obstacles present in these photos.
>
> On a final note, I'd like to point out that in cyclocross you are NOT supposed to be able to ride everything.
>
> :)
>
>
> Cheers!
> Brian J.
>
>> Message: 27
>> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 07:03:23 -0800
>> From: tackyglueit
>> To: Grant Collins
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Victims of Success
>>
>>
>> very well said Grant, could not agree with you more.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 6:44 AM, Grant Collins wrote:
>>
>>> Cheers to that! I up for technical. But then it just turns into miles of
>>> off camber, and stuff that can't be riden. Cross is truly a roadies race,
>>> always has been and is supposed to be. I'm an avid mountain biker, ranked
>>> in the state. But the true tradition of cross needs to remain. My 2cents.
>
> * * *
> My father asks : "Do you live here or ride bikes?"
> http://liveorridebikes.blogspot.com
>
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Brian Johnson

2011-11-08

For those of you afraid of cyclocross becoming "too technical" and destroying the spirit of the discipline:

http://www.blackbirdsf.org/cx/christopheoncx.html

http://ncncacx.blogspot.com/2010/08/vintage-cyclo-cross.html

Please pay careful attention to the photos. I can't imagine the outrage on this list should we ever be presented with a cyclocross race that featured any of the terrain obstacles present in these photos.

On a final note, I'd like to point out that in cyclocross you are NOT supposed to be able to ride everything.

:)

Cheers!
Brian J.

> Message: 27
> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 07:03:23 -0800
> From: tackyglueit
> To: Grant Collins
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Victims of Success
>
>
> very well said Grant, could not agree with you more.
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 6:44 AM, Grant Collins wrote:
>
>> Cheers to that! I up for technical. But then it just turns into miles of
>> off camber, and stuff that can't be riden. Cross is truly a roadies race,
>> always has been and is supposed to be. I'm an avid mountain biker, ranked
>> in the state. But the true tradition of cross needs to remain. My 2cents.

* * *
My father asks : "Do you live here or ride bikes?"
http://liveorridebikes.blogspot.com

My life as a Crossniac:
www.crossniacs.com