UGB expansion

Michael O'Hair

2002-12-04



Excellent posting, Jerry.



This message is going to be a lot more effective than any appeal to

"fairness towards cyclists." With the state and local economy in the

toilet, the two big questions are:



        1)    Who is going to benefit from an expansion?



        2)    Who is going to pay for it?



I am sure that someone has done a study on the traffic density on Skyline,

Germantown, etc. If the UGP is expanded into these areas, the only thing

that is certain is that traffic and all related expenses will get worse.





----- Original Message -----

From: "Jerald M Powell"

 

There isn't right of way to "improve" the existing roads and

topography won't accept additional transportation corridors. One of

the primary criteria for inclusion in the urban growth boundary is

suitability for urban development, and a key obligation of local

government adjacent such an expansion is to provide urban services.

It really appears unlikely that even if the area is included in a

UGB expansion, that it ever can be developed to urban standards

without major environmental and economic impact.



Jerald M Powell

2002-12-04

Steve and Scott, and the rest of y'all in obraland.



To a geat extent, the persuasive issue with respect to Skyline and

the intersecting through routes (Cornell, Thompson, Springville,

Germantown, Cornelius Pass, etc) isn't the displacement of cyclists

so much as the inadequacy of the road infrastructure to support

present levels of development, let alone any further development.

There isn't right of way to "improve" the existing roads and

topography won't accept additional transportation corridors. One of

the primary criteria for inclusion in the urban growth boundary is

suitability for urban development, and a key obligation of local

government adjacent such an expansion is to provide urban services.

kIt really appears unlikely that even if the area is included in a

UGB expansion, that it ever can be developed to urban standards

without major environmental and economic impact.

In an urban services study done in the mid 1980's the City of

Portland concluded that the public cost of development (cost to the

public) would far exceed the public benefit (provision of housing,

mostly) that could be expected. For that reason, the whole skyline

road area was left out of the area Portland kintended to provide

urban services to.



Jerry Powell



At 8:10 AM -0800 12/04/02, Steve-@clark.wa.gov wrote:

 Dear Mr. Bragdon,

Having voted for you in the last election, I thought I would write you with

a concern I have about, not just extending the UGB, but about growth in

general. As the UGB is expanded and growth continues, cyclists loose

precious rural roads to enjoy their sport on.



These rural roads are utilized by cyclists because, not only is the scenery

often better, but, in town motorists are often rather hostile toward us.

What I mean by hostile is, they often do not give the cyclist room and run

right up against (very close to) the cyclist who is in the bike lane. There

is usually room for the motorist to move over closer to the other side of

the lane they are traveling in but they choose, for some reason, not to do

so. One might ask why this is a problem if the motorist doesn't actually hit

the cyclist. The answer to that questions is, if the motorist is driving a

standard sized car, it startles the cyclist which could in turn cause them

to make a mistake and have an accident. If the motorist is driving a large

vehicle, such as a tractor-trailer semi or motor home or something like

that, the vehicle can actually cause a draft that could pull the cyclist

into the vehicle causing an accident which would potentially kill the

cyclist and perhaps even cause a multi-car accident.



The problem would be less impactive if the bike lanes were kept clean and

free of glass and other debris. However, as anyone who has ever ridden a

bicycle in bike lanes knows, the bike lane is the garbage heap of the road.

As a result of this condition, the cyclist is basically relegated to

approximately 12 to 18 inches of the bike lane. Either that or they risk

destroying a perfectly good tire that often costs as much as a automobile

tire.



It seems to me that any growth analysis that doesn't take all forms of

transportation into account is potentially environmentally unsound and

hinders alternate forms of transportation.



Mr. Bragdon, I ride my bicycle between 100 and 300 miles per week, however,

I talk to many people that tell me they would like to ride but refuse to

ride in traffic specifically because of the hostility of motorists. As a

regional governing body, I would think that Metro could take the lead in

helping to solve this problem for the bicyclists in our region.



Steve Long

11485 SE 59th Ave.

Milwaukie, OR 97222

503-652-1202



GIS Analyst

Clark County Assessment & GIS

360-397-2391 ext. 4421





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Jerald M. Powell, AICP

Community Planning

1445 SW Harrison St.

Portland, Oregon 97201

Voice: (503) 222 7173

Fax: (503) 222 6026

email: jpow-@spiritone.com



Steve-@clark.wa.gov

2002-12-04

Dear Mr. Bragdon,

Having voted for you in the last election, I thought I would write you with

a concern I have about, not just extending the UGB, but about growth in

general. As the UGB is expanded and growth continues, cyclists loose

precious rural roads to enjoy their sport on.



These rural roads are utilized by cyclists because, not only is the scenery

often better, but, in town motorists are often rather hostile toward us.

What I mean by hostile is, they often do not give the cyclist room and run

right up against (very close to) the cyclist who is in the bike lane. There

is usually room for the motorist to move over closer to the other side of

the lane they are traveling in but they choose, for some reason, not to do

so. One might ask why this is a problem if the motorist doesn't actually hit

the cyclist. The answer to that questions is, if the motorist is driving a

standard sized car, it startles the cyclist which could in turn cause them

to make a mistake and have an accident. If the motorist is driving a large

vehicle, such as a tractor-trailer semi or motor home or something like

that, the vehicle can actually cause a draft that could pull the cyclist

into the vehicle causing an accident which would potentially kill the

cyclist and perhaps even cause a multi-car accident.



The problem would be less impactive if the bike lanes were kept clean and

free of glass and other debris. However, as anyone who has ever ridden a

bicycle in bike lanes knows, the bike lane is the garbage heap of the road.

As a result of this condition, the cyclist is basically relegated to

approximately 12 to 18 inches of the bike lane. Either that or they risk

destroying a perfectly good tire that often costs as much as a automobile

tire.



It seems to me that any growth analysis that doesn't take all forms of

transportation into account is potentially environmentally unsound and

hinders alternate forms of transportation.



Mr. Bragdon, I ride my bicycle between 100 and 300 miles per week, however,

I talk to many people that tell me they would like to ride but refuse to

ride in traffic specifically because of the hostility of motorists. As a

regional governing body, I would think that Metro could take the lead in

helping to solve this problem for the bicyclists in our region.



Steve Long

11485 SE 59th Ave.

Milwaukie, OR 97222

503-652-1202



GIS Analyst

Clark County Assessment & GIS

360-397-2391 ext. 4421