Chris Cortez

I am from south central Arkansas. You guys are making me feel right at
home. I'm taking a cross bike and a gun next time I go to visit Momma...

On Dec 21, 2011, at 4:34 PM, william fasano wrote:

> There are some gates that have to be left open for deer season. We
> are back to banjos and guns....Most of them are friendly and they
> are tresspassing also!
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Rick Johnson > wrote:
> This is the kind of situation where doing your homework is
> important. Oregon is a great state for preserving the public's right
> to pass. Your first step is to get a good map identifying all public
> roads, often the best information will be from your local county
> road department.
>
> To make a long story short generally if a road was ever a public
> road the public's right to pass is only lost when a specific
> procedure to vacate that right is followed. Gates can be permitted
> without affecting the public's rights so don't assume that the
> presence of a gate is an absolute prohibition to your passage. I
> know people who have gone so far as to bring the State Police to the
> person's house to clarify their right to pass a landowner's gate.
>
> This site has excellent GPS mapping products, my favorite is the
> public lands overlay. With it my GPS displays ownership boundary
> information while in the field. Some products even display the
> owners name making negotiating passage easier.
>
> Rick
> Rick Johnson
> Bend Oregon
>
> * * *
>
> On 12/21/2011 10:59 AM, matt Savage wrote:
>>
>> Looks like it's gated off at Pumpkin Ridge, but two miles up from
>> there, there's a house. So you probably only have a couple miles
>> of private timberland to cross. Ducking gates usually isn't the
>> best idea, but on a weekend you can probably pull it off since it's
>> such a short segment. I'd still scout it before you drag a group
>> out. I've been out in that area on my motorbike and have had some
>> close encounters with high speed pickup trucks on some of those
>> roads (as well as dirt bikes...)
>>
>>
>> -Matt
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Matt Mahoney
>> wrote:
>>
>> Many have tried and all have failed for various reasons. This is
>> my recollection of this endeavor.
>> Ask Littlehales or Ollerenshaw about this. I think Doug got scared
>> by gun totting locals.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:02:18 -0800
>> From: mbenno@yahoo.com
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Otto Miller connection to Pumpkin Ridge?
>>
>> Does anyone know if Otto Miller can be connected to Pumpkin Ridge
>> road by Bike? It looks like it does on a map, but I want to be sure
>> before I drag a bunch of folks out there.
>>
>> http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Dutch+Canyon+Rd&daddr=NW+Pumpkin+Ridge+Rd&hl=en&ll=45.733625,-122.955551&spn=0.100049,0.222988&sll=45.721402,-122.919159&sspn=0.10007,0.222988&geocode=FbDyuQIdNLis-A%3BFbuOuQIdvMOq-A&vpsrc=6&dirflg=b&mra=dme&mrsp=0&sz=13&t=m&z=13&lci=bike
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Todd Mobley

Rick,

All of that may be true, but having some experience and family owning
property along an attractive waterway in Oregon that some may consider a
navigable river (which is therefore arguably private property), I would say
that in the field, the land owners are not always terribly sympathetic to
prior case law, specific procedures, and vacated rights. Neither are the
ostriches or other non-trespass enforcement mechanisms that they may have
in place (ostriches, it turns out, are very strong swimmers).

To add to Ron's advice...keep your head down, and keep moving.

-Todd

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Lancaster Engineering
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On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Rick Johnson wrote:

> This is the kind of situation where doing your homework is important.
> Oregon is a great state for preserving the public's right to pass. Your
> first step is to get a good map identifying all public roads, often the
> best information will be from your local county road department.
>
> To make a long story short generally if a road was ever a public road the
> public's right to pass is only lost when a specific procedure to vacate
> that right is followed. Gates can be permitted without affecting the
> public's rights so don't assume that the presence of a gate is an absolute
> prohibition to your passage. I know people who have gone so far as to bring
> the State Police to the person's house to clarify their right to pass a
> landowner's gate.
>
> This site has excellent GPS mapping
> products, my favorite is the public lands overlay. With it my GPS displays
> ownership boundary information while in the field. Some products even
> display the owners name making negotiating passage easier.
>
> Rick
>
> Rick Johnson
> Bend Oregon
>
> * * *
>
>
> On 12/21/2011 10:59 AM, matt Savage wrote:
>
> Looks like it's gated off at Pumpkin Ridge, but two miles up from there,
> there's a house. So you probably only have a couple miles of private
> timberland to cross. Ducking gates usually isn't the best idea, but on a
> weekend you can probably pull it off since it's such a short segment. I'd
> still scout it before you drag a group out. I've been out in that area on
> my motorbike and have had some close encounters with high speed pickup
> trucks on some of those roads (as well as dirt bikes...)
>
>
> -Matt
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Matt Mahoney wrote:
>
>>
>> Many have tried and all have failed for various reasons. This is my
>> recollection of this endeavor.
>> Ask Littlehales or Ollerenshaw about this. I think Doug got scared by
>> gun totting locals.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:02:18 -0800
>> From: mbenno@yahoo.com
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Otto Miller connection to Pumpkin Ridge?
>>
>> Does anyone know if Otto Miller can be connected to Pumpkin Ridge road
>> by Bike? It looks like it does on a map, but I want to be sure before I
>> drag a bunch of folks out there.
>>
>>
>> http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Dutch+Canyon+Rd&daddr=NW+Pumpkin+Ridge+Rd&hl=en&ll=45.733625,-122.955551&spn=0.100049,0.222988&sll=45.721402,-122.919159&sspn=0.10007,0.222988&geocode=FbDyuQIdNLis-A%3BFbuOuQIdvMOq-A&vpsrc=6&dirflg=b&mra=dme&mrsp=0&sz=13&t=m&z=13&lci=bike
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william fasano

There are some gates that have to be left open for deer season. We are
back to banjos and guns....Most of them are friendly and they are
tresspassing also!

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Rick Johnson wrote:

> This is the kind of situation where doing your homework is important.
> Oregon is a great state for preserving the public's right to pass. Your
> first step is to get a good map identifying all public roads, often the
> best information will be from your local county road department.
>
> To make a long story short generally if a road was ever a public road the
> public's right to pass is only lost when a specific procedure to vacate
> that right is followed. Gates can be permitted without affecting the
> public's rights so don't assume that the presence of a gate is an absolute
> prohibition to your passage. I know people who have gone so far as to bring
> the State Police to the person's house to clarify their right to pass a
> landowner's gate.
>
> This site has excellent GPS mapping
> products, my favorite is the public lands overlay. With it my GPS displays
> ownership boundary information while in the field. Some products even
> display the owners name making negotiating passage easier.
>
> Rick
>
> Rick Johnson
> Bend Oregon
>
> * * *
>
>
> On 12/21/2011 10:59 AM, matt Savage wrote:
>
> Looks like it's gated off at Pumpkin Ridge, but two miles up from there,
> there's a house. So you probably only have a couple miles of private
> timberland to cross. Ducking gates usually isn't the best idea, but on a
> weekend you can probably pull it off since it's such a short segment. I'd
> still scout it before you drag a group out. I've been out in that area on
> my motorbike and have had some close encounters with high speed pickup
> trucks on some of those roads (as well as dirt bikes...)
>
>
> -Matt
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Matt Mahoney wrote:
>
>>
>> Many have tried and all have failed for various reasons. This is my
>> recollection of this endeavor.
>> Ask Littlehales or Ollerenshaw about this. I think Doug got scared by
>> gun totting locals.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:02:18 -0800
>> From: mbenno@yahoo.com
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Otto Miller connection to Pumpkin Ridge?
>>
>> Does anyone know if Otto Miller can be connected to Pumpkin Ridge road
>> by Bike? It looks like it does on a map, but I want to be sure before I
>> drag a bunch of folks out there.
>>
>>
>> http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Dutch+Canyon+Rd&daddr=NW+Pumpkin+Ridge+Rd&hl=en&ll=45.733625,-122.955551&spn=0.100049,0.222988&sll=45.721402,-122.919159&sspn=0.10007,0.222988&geocode=FbDyuQIdNLis-A%3BFbuOuQIdvMOq-A&vpsrc=6&dirflg=b&mra=dme&mrsp=0&sz=13&t=m&z=13&lci=bike
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Rick Johnson

This is the kind of situation where doing your homework is important.
Oregon is a great state for preserving the public's right to pass. Your
first step is to get a good map identifying all public roads, often the
best information will be from your local county road department.

To make a long story short generally if a road was ever a public road
the public's right to pass is only lost when a specific procedure to
vacate that right is followed. Gates can be permitted without affecting
the public's rights so don't assume that the presence of a gate is an
absolute prohibition to your passage. I know people who have gone so far
as to bring the State Police to the person's house to clarify their
right to pass a landowner's gate.

This site has excellent GPS mapping
products, my favorite is the public lands overlay. With it my GPS
displays ownership boundary information while in the field. Some
products even display the owners name making negotiating passage easier.

Rick

Rick Johnson
Bend Oregon

* * *

On 12/21/2011 10:59 AM, matt Savage wrote:
> Looks like it's gated off at Pumpkin Ridge, but two miles up from
> there, there's a house. So you probably only have a couple miles of
> private timberland to cross. Ducking gates usually isn't the best
> idea, but on a weekend you can probably pull it off since it's such a
> short segment. I'd still scout it before you drag a group out. I've
> been out in that area on my motorbike and have had some close
> encounters with high speed pickup trucks on some of those roads (as
> well as dirt bikes...)
>
>
> -Matt
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Matt Mahoney > wrote:
>
>
> Many have tried and all have failed for various reasons. This is
> my recollection of this endeavor.
> Ask Littlehales or Ollerenshaw about this. I think Doug got
> scared by gun totting locals.
>
> Matt
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:02:18 -0800
> From: mbenno@yahoo.com
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Otto Miller connection to Pumpkin Ridge?
>
> Does anyone know if Otto Miller can be connected to Pumpkin Ridge
> road by Bike? It looks like it does on a map, but I want to be
> sure before I drag a bunch of folks out there.
>
> http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Dutch+Canyon+Rd&daddr=NW+Pumpkin+Ridge+Rd&hl=en&ll=45.733625,-122.955551&spn=0.100049,0.222988&sll=45.721402,-122.919159&sspn=0.10007,0.222988&geocode=FbDyuQIdNLis-A%3BFbuOuQIdvMOq-A&vpsrc=6&dirflg=b&mra=dme&mrsp=0&sz=13&t=m&z=13&lci=bike
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rondot@spiritone.com

I would be respectful as not all the gated roads access Timber holdings, but also are family private property. How would you feel if you owned 50 acres with what looked like a potential route across it and every so often or more often than that..........people just made their way through your rather big backyard. Most of the Timber company gates have some signage.....and some private property owners post “not trespass” signs. Hope it is timber co. as that might be a fun route. Watch out for Elk hunters this time of year.......be they legal or not.
ron

From: matt Savage
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:59 AM
To: Matt Mahoney
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Otto Miller connection to Pumpkin Ridge?

Looks like it's gated off at Pumpkin Ridge, but two miles up from there, there's a house. So you probably only have a couple miles of private timberland to cross. Ducking gates usually isn't the best idea, but on a weekend you can probably pull it off since it's such a short segment. I'd still scout it before you drag a group out. I've been out in that area on my motorbike and have had some close encounters with high speed pickup trucks on some of those roads (as well as dirt bikes...)

-Matt

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Matt Mahoney wrote:

Many have tried and all have failed for various reasons. This is my recollection of this endeavor.
Ask Littlehales or Ollerenshaw about this. I think Doug got scared by gun totting locals.

Matt

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:02:18 -0800
From: mbenno@yahoo.com
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Otto Miller connection to Pumpkin Ridge?

Does anyone know if Otto Miller can be connected to Pumpkin Ridge road by Bike? It looks like it does on a map, but I want to be sure before I drag a bunch of folks out there.

http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Dutch+Canyon+Rd&daddr=NW+Pumpkin+Ridge+Rd&hl=en&ll=45.733625,-122.955551&spn=0.100049,0.222988&sll=45.721402,-122.919159&sspn=0.10007,0.222988&geocode=FbDyuQIdNLis-A%3BFbuOuQIdvMOq-A&vpsrc=6&dirflg=b&mra=dme&mrsp=0&sz=13&t=m&z=13&lci=bike

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Then there's Shipley Road, on the way to Lolo Pass. I thought "Lord of the Rings" meets "Dueling Banjos". Keep moving indeed.

Mike

On Dec 21, 2011, at 10:58 AM, wrote:

> Joe,
> That may be true, but further out in the hills and valleys behind St. Helens and Deer Island is "the other Oregon". Beautiful area, but scary in a dueling banjos sort of way!!!! Just keep moving and do not impede traffic.
> ronnie
>
> -----Original Message----- From: joec@aracnet.com
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:48 AM
> To: Matt Mahoney
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Otto Miller connection to Pumpkin Ridge?
>
> I heard banjos when I tried...
>
> On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 09:37:24 -0800, Matt Mahoney
> wrote:
>> Many have tried and all have failed for various reasons. This is my
>> recollection of this endeavor.
>> Ask Littlehales or Ollerenshaw about this. I think Doug got scared by
>> gun totting locals.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> -------------------------
>> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:02:18 -0800
>> From: mbenno@yahoo.com
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Otto Miller connection to Pumpkin Ridge?
>>
>> Does anyone know if Otto Miller can be connected to Pumpkin Ridge road
>> by Bike? It looks like it does on a map, but I want to be sure before
>> I drag a bunch of folks out there.
>>
>> http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Dutch+Canyon+Rd&daddr=NW+Pumpkin+Ridge+Rd&hl=en&ll=45.733625,-122.955551&spn=0.100049,0.222988&sll=45.721402,-122.919159&sspn=0.10007,0.222988&geocode=FbDyuQIdNLis-A%3BFbuOuQIdvMOq-A&vpsrc=6&dirflg=b&mra=dme&mrsp=0&sz=13&t=m&z=13&lci=bike
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Looks like it's gated off at Pumpkin Ridge, but two miles up from there,
there's a house. So you probably only have a couple miles of private
timberland to cross. Ducking gates usually isn't the best idea, but on a
weekend you can probably pull it off since it's such a short segment. I'd
still scout it before you drag a group out. I've been out in that area on
my motorbike and have had some close encounters with high speed pickup
trucks on some of those roads (as well as dirt bikes...)

-Matt

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Matt Mahoney wrote:

>
> Many have tried and all have failed for various reasons. This is my
> recollection of this endeavor.
> Ask Littlehales or Ollerenshaw about this. I think Doug got scared by gun
> totting locals.
>
> Matt
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:02:18 -0800
> From: mbenno@yahoo.com
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Otto Miller connection to Pumpkin Ridge?
>
> Does anyone know if Otto Miller can be connected to Pumpkin Ridge road by
> Bike? It looks like it does on a map, but I want to be sure before I drag a
> bunch of folks out there.
>
>
> http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Dutch+Canyon+Rd&daddr=NW+Pumpkin+Ridge+Rd&hl=en&ll=45.733625,-122.955551&spn=0.100049,0.222988&sll=45.721402,-122.919159&sspn=0.10007,0.222988&geocode=FbDyuQIdNLis-A%3BFbuOuQIdvMOq-A&vpsrc=6&dirflg=b&mra=dme&mrsp=0&sz=13&t=m&z=13&lci=bike
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Joe,
That may be true, but further out in the hills and valleys behind St. Helens
and Deer Island is "the other Oregon". Beautiful area, but scary in a
dueling banjos sort of way!!!! Just keep moving and do not impede traffic.
ronnie

-----Original Message-----
From: joec@aracnet.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:48 AM
To: Matt Mahoney
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Otto Miller connection to Pumpkin Ridge?

I heard banjos when I tried...

On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 09:37:24 -0800, Matt Mahoney
wrote:
> Many have tried and all have failed for various reasons. This is my
> recollection of this endeavor.
> Ask Littlehales or Ollerenshaw about this. I think Doug got scared by
> gun totting locals.
>
> Matt
>
> -------------------------
> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:02:18 -0800
> From: mbenno@yahoo.com
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Otto Miller connection to Pumpkin Ridge?
>
> Does anyone know if Otto Miller can be connected to Pumpkin Ridge road
> by Bike? It looks like it does on a map, but I want to be sure before
> I drag a bunch of folks out there.
>
> http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Dutch+Canyon+Rd&daddr=NW+Pumpkin+Ridge+Rd&hl=en&ll=45.733625,-122.955551&spn=0.100049,0.222988&sll=45.721402,-122.919159&sspn=0.10007,0.222988&geocode=FbDyuQIdNLis-A%3BFbuOuQIdvMOq-A&vpsrc=6&dirflg=b&mra=dme&mrsp=0&sz=13&t=m&z=13&lci=bike
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I heard banjos when I tried...

On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 09:37:24 -0800, Matt Mahoney
wrote:
> Many have tried and all have failed for various reasons. This is my
> recollection of this endeavor.
> Ask Littlehales or Ollerenshaw about this. I think Doug got scared by
> gun totting locals.
>
> Matt
>
> -------------------------
> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:02:18 -0800
> From: mbenno@yahoo.com
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Otto Miller connection to Pumpkin Ridge?
>
> Does anyone know if Otto Miller can be connected to Pumpkin Ridge road
> by Bike? It looks like it does on a map, but I want to be sure before
> I drag a bunch of folks out there.
>
> http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Dutch+Canyon+Rd&daddr=NW+Pumpkin+Ridge+Rd&hl=en&ll=45.733625,-122.955551&spn=0.100049,0.222988&sll=45.721402,-122.919159&sspn=0.10007,0.222988&geocode=FbDyuQIdNLis-A%3BFbuOuQIdvMOq-A&vpsrc=6&dirflg=b&mra=dme&mrsp=0&sz=13&t=m&z=13&lci=bike
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Matt Mahoney

Many have tried and all have failed for various reasons. This is my recollection of this endeavor.Ask Littlehales or Ollerenshaw about this. I think Doug got scared by gun totting locals.
Matt

Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:02:18 -0800
From: mbenno@yahoo.com
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Otto Miller connection to Pumpkin Ridge?

Does anyone know if Otto Miller can be connected to Pumpkin Ridge road by Bike? It looks like it does on a map, but I want to be sure before I drag a bunch of folks out there.
http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Dutch+Canyon+Rd&daddr=NW+Pumpkin+Ridge+Rd&hl=en&ll=45.733625,-122.955551&spn=0.100049,0.222988&sll=45.721402,-122.919159&sspn=0.10007,0.222988&geocode=FbDyuQIdNLis-A%3BFbuOuQIdvMOq-A&vpsrc=6&dirflg=b&mra=dme&mrsp=0&sz=13&t=m&z=13&lci=bike

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Michael Benno

Does anyone know if Otto Miller can be connected to Pumpkin Ridge road by Bike? It looks like it does on a map, but I want to be sure before I drag a bunch of folks out there.