arsenic in energy bars...

Jerald Powell

2012-02-21

Only in Eugene. Thirty years ago. Might have been District Rep. ;-0

Jerry Powell
jpowell@spiritone.com

On Feb 21, 2012, at 1:51 PM, eric aldinger wrote:

> I didn't know Hunter S Thompson raced bicycles.
>
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 7:10 PM, Rick Johnson wrote:
> LOL
> Are you sure it was only arsenic?
> :-\
>
> Rick Johnson
> Bend Oregon
>
> * * *
>
> This news has been sanitized for your preconceptions
>
>
> On 2/20/2012 7:02 PM, dacrizzow wrote:
> for years and years my friends and i would actually pay money for little square pieces of paper with small amounts of arsenic on them. did this for years and no residual effects what so ever. ok, some residual effects but ....nevermind. lost my train of thought. anyway, was somebody saying something about a bunch of snicker bars?
> _______________________________________________


eric aldinger

2012-02-21

I didn't know Hunter S Thompson raced bicycles.

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 7:10 PM, Rick Johnson wrote:

> LOL
> Are you sure it was only arsenic?
> :-\
>
> Rick Johnson
> Bend Oregon
>
> * * *
>
> This news has been sanitized for your preconceptions
>
>
>
>
> On 2/20/2012 7:02 PM, dacrizzow wrote:
>
>> for years and years my friends and i would actually pay money for little
>> square pieces of paper with small amounts of arsenic on them. did this for
>> years and no residual effects what so ever. ok, some residual effects but
>> ....nevermind. lost my train of thought. anyway, was somebody saying
>> something about a bunch of snicker bars?
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Rick Johnson

2012-02-21

LOL
Are you sure it was only arsenic?
:-\

Rick Johnson
Bend Oregon

* * *

This news has been sanitized for your preconceptions

On 2/20/2012 7:02 PM, dacrizzow wrote:
> for years and years my friends and i would actually pay money for little square pieces of paper with small amounts of arsenic on them. did this for years and no residual effects what so ever. ok, some residual effects but ....nevermind. lost my train of thought. anyway, was somebody saying something about a bunch of snicker bars?
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dacrizzow

2012-02-21

for years and years my friends and i would actually pay money for little square pieces of paper with small amounts of arsenic on them. did this for years and no residual effects what so ever. ok, some residual effects but ....nevermind. lost my train of thought. anyway, was somebody saying something about a bunch of snicker bars?


rondot@spiritone.com

2012-02-21

As a licensed Medical Professional.................Bachelors degree in Fine Art. I need to state the obvious.
There are many things that exist in our world which are totally natural. Many of these natural things are toxic to animal (in this case human) life. The bottom line is not to believe everything you see on TV / Internet, hear on the radio or read in print......unless of course the source is Rolling Stone (just kidding.....it is a Dion DiMucci thing). If a person has a deep enough concern about a chemical or whatever, do as much search and research on the subject as possible, then choose accordingly. Otherwise listen to everybody put his/her two cents in and count the pro / con numbers then use that as a guide. This second method is the scientific method correct?
I personally would eat 50 Cliff bars before I ate 50 Snickers bars. If someone wants to convince me I am wrong, please do so directly as most people on the list probably do not want to read about the virtues of the Snickers power numbers. I have no vested interest in Cliff, and love the taste of Snickers, but believe my choice is better for my body. As you can tell it might not be best for my mind, but hey....a mind is a terrible thing to lose unless it is already lost.

On a similar vein of paranoia, I just was told by the little horned voice who talks in my left ear (not to be confused with the little winged voice who speaks to me in my right ear) that there are very high traces of BPA in all the Lycra clothing that cyclists wear (even higher levels in Lycra kits with Team logos) that researchers* have found can be absorbed into the body through the skin when heavy sweating of exercise takes place. Now I do not believe this at all, but just sayin’ research is research.....right?
* Research was done by the “A” team at the Will Ferrell Institute for Medical Regurgitation. Even though the tests were conducted on shaved Possums, the lead Scientist, Dr. Hunter S. Tomlin said “Possum skin is real similar to people hide. Now we just need to get some of those fellas from that Radio Shack team to help us in the next phase of this study. We would expect the same results with their skin absorption ratios. Our science is well reasoned.”

keep it sane out there........the air you breathe (in the Portland metro area) is probably worse for you than a Cliff bar.
ronnie

From: eric aldinger
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 3:19 PM
To: joec@aracnet.com
Cc: remailer, OBRA
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] arsenic in energy bars...

Rice, in and of itself, has a noted correlation with arsenic accumulation.[1] The same link has been observed with juice and arsenic. [2] The basic chemistry required to process rice into a low glycemic index sugar is not indicated as a cause for increasing arsenic levels by this study. Instead, the study tries to prove the hypothesis that foods may contain arsenic even though they are grown without chemical pesticides, through the introduction of organically grown ingredients like rice.[3] Also, the amount of syrup in energy bars would require you to eat >= 4 bars in a day to exceed the EPA allowable guidelines for arsenic. [4] The conclusion is that we need to monitor foods for arsenic content to reduce diseases that have a correlation with arsenic consumption. Arsenic is not bioaccumulative. [ibid] Fear all food and eat rocks.

[1] http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-05/arsenic-in-rice-poses-health-risks-for-pregnant-women-researchers-find.html
[2] http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/consumer-reports-magazine-january-2012/arsenic-in-your-juice/index.htm
[3] http://ehp03.niehs.nih.gov/article/fetchArticle.action?articleURI=info%3Adoi%2F10.1289%2Fehp.1104619
[4] http://www.dartmouth.edu/~toxmetal/assets/pdf/arsenicinfoodfaq2.pdf

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 8:31 AM, wrote:

Best in-ride training food: Gummi bears. Same nutrient quotient as
those Gel-Blocks
but a lot less in terms of cost. Now those damn gel-packs, that is
another story
(can you say 'Foul'? I knew you could!)

J

On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:25:44 +0000, "Mike Murray"
wrote:
> The catch with this line of reasoning is that there is really no
> protection against introduction of toxic or infectious materials into
> foods because they are grown locally and organically. The real take
> home point is that people need to eat real food as opposed to packaged
> food-like items. They need to eat a variety of foods and they need to
> eat less of it. The arsenic in brown rice syrup is not significant
> unless it ends up being a major portion of your diet which is why it
> is a concern when it is included in baby formula. Mostly this story is
> the standard media "be afraid" story. Scaring people makes good news
> copy.
>
> There is nothing magical about food-like substances marketed to
> athletes. You don't need to eat those things just because you are
> exercising. I am always amused by people using gel packs for a 30
> minute cross race. Why not just eat food?
>
> Mike Murray
> Sent via BlackBerry
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eric aldinger

2012-02-20

Rice, in and of itself, has a noted correlation with arsenic
accumulation.[1] The same link has been observed with juice and arsenic.
[2] The basic chemistry required to process rice into a low glycemic index
sugar is not indicated as a cause for increasing arsenic levels by this
study. Instead, the study tries to prove the hypothesis that foods may
contain arsenic even though they are grown without chemical pesticides,
through the introduction of organically grown ingredients like rice.[3]
Also, the amount of syrup in energy bars would require you to eat >= 4 bars
in a day to exceed the EPA allowable guidelines for arsenic. [4] The
conclusion is that we need to monitor foods for arsenic content to reduce
diseases that have a correlation with arsenic consumption. Arsenic is not
bioaccumulative. [ibid] Fear all food and eat rocks.

[1]
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-05/arsenic-in-rice-poses-health-risks-for-pregnant-women-researchers-find.html
[2]
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/consumer-reports-magazine-january-2012/arsenic-in-your-juice/index.htm
[3]
http://ehp03.niehs.nih.gov/article/fetchArticle.action?articleURI=info%3Adoi%2F10.1289%2Fehp.1104619
[4] http://www.dartmouth.edu/~toxmetal/assets/pdf/arsenicinfoodfaq2.pdf

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 8:31 AM, wrote:

> Best in-ride training food: Gummi bears. Same nutrient quotient as
> those Gel-Blocks
> but a lot less in terms of cost. Now those damn gel-packs, that is
> another story
> (can you say 'Foul'? I knew you could!)
>
> J
>
> On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:25:44 +0000, "Mike Murray"
> wrote:
> > The catch with this line of reasoning is that there is really no
> > protection against introduction of toxic or infectious materials into
> > foods because they are grown locally and organically. The real take
> > home point is that people need to eat real food as opposed to packaged
> > food-like items. They need to eat a variety of foods and they need to
> > eat less of it. The arsenic in brown rice syrup is not significant
> > unless it ends up being a major portion of your diet which is why it
> > is a concern when it is included in baby formula. Mostly this story is
> > the standard media "be afraid" story. Scaring people makes good news
> > copy.
> >
> > There is nothing magical about food-like substances marketed to
> > athletes. You don't need to eat those things just because you are
> > exercising. I am always amused by people using gel packs for a 30
> > minute cross race. Why not just eat food?
> >
> > Mike Murray
> > Sent via BlackBerry
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> > From: Shane Gibson
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joec@aracnet.com

2012-02-20

Best in-ride training food: Gummi bears. Same nutrient quotient as
those Gel-Blocks
but a lot less in terms of cost. Now those damn gel-packs, that is
another story
(can you say 'Foul'? I knew you could!)

J

On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:25:44 +0000, "Mike Murray"
wrote:
> The catch with this line of reasoning is that there is really no
> protection against introduction of toxic or infectious materials into
> foods because they are grown locally and organically. The real take
> home point is that people need to eat real food as opposed to packaged
> food-like items. They need to eat a variety of foods and they need to
> eat less of it. The arsenic in brown rice syrup is not significant
> unless it ends up being a major portion of your diet which is why it
> is a concern when it is included in baby formula. Mostly this story is
> the standard media "be afraid" story. Scaring people makes good news
> copy.
>
> There is nothing magical about food-like substances marketed to
> athletes. You don't need to eat those things just because you are
> exercising. I am always amused by people using gel packs for a 30
> minute cross race. Why not just eat food?
>
> Mike Murray
> Sent via BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shane Gibson
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> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 07:35:01
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Mike Murray

2012-02-20

The catch with this line of reasoning is that there is really no protection against introduction of toxic or infectious materials into foods because they are grown locally and organically. The real take home point is that people need to eat real food as opposed to packaged food-like items. They need to eat a variety of foods and they need to eat less of it. The arsenic in brown rice syrup is not significant unless it ends up being a major portion of your diet which is why it is a concern when it is included in baby formula. Mostly this story is the standard media "be afraid" story. Scaring people makes good news copy.

There is nothing magical about food-like substances marketed to athletes. You don't need to eat those things just because you are exercising. I am always amused by people using gel packs for a 30 minute cross race. Why not just eat food?

Mike Murray
Sent via BlackBerry

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Shane Gibson

2012-02-20

I can't make any statements about the arsenic issue directly - other than
what I saw on the news. Frankly, it doesn't surprise me. "We" pump huge
amounts of chemicals, pesticides, fertilizers, and all other manner of
stuff on to our food. I realize that crop yields and feeding huge
populations have (theoretically) necessitated this ... But it's one of
those no-brainer "duh" situations in my book when large quantities of
chemicals and poisons show up in our food supplies.

Keep it local. Keep it organic. Yeah, I know, easier said than done.
Mega corporations are only interested in profit ... that means high
yields. Stable shelf life ... that means chemicals, preservatives, and all
manner of icky stuff (sorry to use such a highly technical word there,
folks...).

IMO rice syrup is no better than high fructose corn syrup. Both are
extremely highly processed foods with little resemblance to real food.

~~shane

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On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 9:32 PM, Ryan Francesconi wrote:

> I wonder if any health professionals on the list have come across this
> article discussing brown rice syrup and arsenic levels found in it:
>
> http://www.medpagetoday.com/PrimaryCare/DietNutrition/31214
>
> i've eaten a lot of cliff bars in my day, and the rice syrup is the
> primary ingredient. Anyone heard of anything about this?
>
> thanks, Ryan
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Ryan Francesconi

2012-02-20

I wonder if any health professionals on the list have come across this
article discussing brown rice syrup and arsenic levels found in it:

http://www.medpagetoday.com/PrimaryCare/DietNutrition/31214

i've eaten a lot of cliff bars in my day, and the rice syrup is the
primary ingredient. Anyone heard of anything about this?

thanks, Ryan