Tom Bird

Why can't we all just get along ;)

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On Mar 13, 2012, at 10:45 AM, william fasano wrote:

> Trying to promote a war between bikes and cars is dumb. I am sure that most of the people on bikes also have cars. If you have both and use them for transportation, should you hate yourself? The bikes are not going away. Cars are going to get real inconvenient for the people who cling to them as the only viable form of transportation. The oregonian is great for stuffing into your wet cycling shoes at night so they are dry in the morning. It is also great for cleaning glass to a streak free shine. Then recycle it appropriately.
>
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Thom Schoenborn wrote:
> http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/archive/2012/03/12
>
> The red A on the clipboard is a nice touch.
>
>
>
> On Mar 13, 2012, at 8:45 AM, mohair wrote:
>
> >
> > Would someone post the link to the Doonesbury cartoon? I'd like to see it.
> >
> > Thanks.
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william fasano

Trying to promote a war between bikes and cars is dumb. I am sure that
most of the people on bikes also have cars. If you have both and use them
for transportation, should you hate yourself? The bikes are not going
away. Cars are going to get real inconvenient for the people who cling
to them as the only viable form of transportation. The oregonian is great
for stuffing into your wet cycling shoes at night so they are dry in the
morning. It is also great for cleaning glass to a streak free shine. Then
recycle it appropriately.

On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Thom Schoenborn
wrote:

> http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/archive/2012/03/12
>
> The red A on the clipboard is a nice touch.
>
>
>
> On Mar 13, 2012, at 8:45 AM, mohair wrote:
>
> >
> > Would someone post the link to the Doonesbury cartoon? I'd like to see
> it.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
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Thom Schoenborn

http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/archive/2012/03/12

The red A on the clipboard is a nice touch.

On Mar 13, 2012, at 8:45 AM, mohair wrote:

>
> Would someone post the link to the Doonesbury cartoon? I'd like to see it.
>
> Thanks.
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mohair

Would someone post the link to the Doonesbury cartoon? I'd like to see it.

Thanks.

mohair

It has been shown several times that commercial vehicles (buses, cabs, trucks, etc) are one of the major causes of urban traffic congestion. New York City has had limited truck delivery times for years to keep the daytime flow of traffic under control. Back in the late 60's when Lindsay was mayor, there was a crisis (Lindsay seemed to have a LOT of crises) when the bus drivers threatened to go on strike at the same time when there was a crisis with the cab drivers. The bottom line was that there were going to be no buses or cabs. The late night negotiations failed and the city awaited a disaster ("My god, they're all going to drive their cars to work!"). To everyone's suprise, there was no huge traffic disaster. People drove to work and parked where they could (using bus and cab zones and anything else they could find) and traffic ran smoother than it ever had. Somehow the lesson never took hold.

On Mar 12, 2012, at 10:59 PM, Erik Long wrote:

> Interesting that bicycles are ever cited as a cause of traffic problems. I wonder what kind of a traffic problem Portland would have if every bike-riding Portlander got into their cars simultaneously and headed for the Oregonian's parking lot.
>
> Should an example be made? Should the city of Portland see what it looks like when cyclists decide to drive?
>
> Perhaps the reverse of a "critical mass" is in order. A "Critical Gas", if you will . . .
>
> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 21:53:54 -0700
> From: rubbishheaponer@gmail.com
> To: swedish.god@gmail.com
> CC: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Oregonian targets cyclists, and now Doonesbury
>
> Ken,
> I'd definitely recommend unsubscribing from the Oregonian, your reason being but one of many.
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Ken B wrote:
> The Oregonian's recent editorial and article inciting outrage against
> cyclists caused me to question my continuing subscription.
>
> http://bikeportland.org/2012/02/27/the-oregonian-blame-bikes-for-budget-mess-67799
> http://bikeportland.org/2012/02/22/the-oregonians-stance-on-bicycling-my-opinion-on-their-opinion-67696
>
> After seeing a blurb in the NY Times, I noticed that the editors of
> the Oregonian decided to replace the real Doonesbury strip with a
> rerun, without telling the readers or offering the real version on the
> opinion page. I looked up the Monday strip on the Doonesbury website
> and found it hilarious. My wife loves the comics and is really pissed
> off. She wants to cancel as well.
>
> Good-bye Oregonian.
>
> KB
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Thom Schoenborn

You can take solace in the fact that the former editorial editor was apparently paying for sex. And is dead now. Check out Willy Week.

There's your bit of perspective for the morning.

But while I have no real love for the Oregonian, there is still a place for daily journalism. Covering the boring shit like council meeting and port bureau committees unearths stories no one else could or would find.

WW is a great investigative rag, but they simply don't have the reach of the O. Eventually, our daily will get its act together digitally so it can "afford" to grow its newsroom again. (That is the paper's greatest flaw IMO -- locked into a long stupid contract with the OregonLive "tech" that stifles growth and innovation. That said, even the NYT hasn't entirely figured out digital and they are at the bleeding edge.)

For all its flaws -- and you cited two that barely register for me -- and even with its diminished newsroom, it has better coverage than all the broadcast media and weeklies combined. What was Churchill's quote about democracy? It's the worst, least efficient, most frustrating form of government, but it's the better than all the alternatives.

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On Mar 12, 2012, at 8:58 PM, Ken B wrote:

> The Oregonian's recent editorial and article inciting outrage against
> cyclists caused me to question my continuing subscription.
>
> http://bikeportland.org/2012/02/27/the-oregonian-blame-bikes-for-budget-mess-67799
> http://bikeportland.org/2012/02/22/the-oregonians-stance-on-bicycling-my-opinion-on-their-opinion-67696
>
> After seeing a blurb in the NY Times, I noticed that the editors of
> the Oregonian decided to replace the real Doonesbury strip with a
> rerun, without telling the readers or offering the real version on the
> opinion page. I looked up the Monday strip on the Doonesbury website
> and found it hilarious. My wife loves the comics and is really pissed
> off. She wants to cancel as well.
>
> Good-bye Oregonian.
>
> KB
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Erik Long

Interesting that bicycles are ever cited as a cause of traffic
problems. I wonder what kind of a traffic problem Portland would have
if every bike-riding Portlander got into their cars simultaneously and
headed for the Oregonian's parking lot.

Should an example be made? Should the city of Portland see what it looks like when cyclists decide to drive?

Perhaps the reverse of a "critical mass" is in order. A "Critical Gas", if you will . . .

Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 21:53:54 -0700
From: rubbishheaponer@gmail.com
To: swedish.god@gmail.com
CC: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Oregonian targets cyclists, and now Doonesbury

Ken,I'd definitely recommend unsubscribing from the Oregonian, your reason being but one of many.

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Ken B wrote:

The Oregonian's recent editorial and article inciting outrage against

cyclists caused me to question my continuing subscription.

http://bikeportland.org/2012/02/27/the-oregonian-blame-bikes-for-budget-mess-67799

http://bikeportland.org/2012/02/22/the-oregonians-stance-on-bicycling-my-opinion-on-their-opinion-67696

After seeing a blurb in the NY Times, I noticed that the editors of

the Oregonian decided to replace the real Doonesbury strip with a

rerun, without telling the readers or offering the real version on the

opinion page. I looked up the Monday strip on the Doonesbury website

and found it hilarious. My wife loves the comics and is really pissed

off. She wants to cancel as well.

Good-bye Oregonian.

KB

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Ken,
I'd definitely recommend unsubscribing from the Oregonian, your reason
being but one of many.

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Ken B wrote:

> The Oregonian's recent editorial and article inciting outrage against
> cyclists caused me to question my continuing subscription.
>
>
> http://bikeportland.org/2012/02/27/the-oregonian-blame-bikes-for-budget-mess-67799
>
> http://bikeportland.org/2012/02/22/the-oregonians-stance-on-bicycling-my-opinion-on-their-opinion-67696
>
> After seeing a blurb in the NY Times, I noticed that the editors of
> the Oregonian decided to replace the real Doonesbury strip with a
> rerun, without telling the readers or offering the real version on the
> opinion page. I looked up the Monday strip on the Doonesbury website
> and found it hilarious. My wife loves the comics and is really pissed
> off. She wants to cancel as well.
>
> Good-bye Oregonian.
>
> KB
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They had an article about the substitution on the front page of the living
section.

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-----Original message-----
From: Ken B
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Tue, Mar 13, 2012 03:58:58 GMT+00:00
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Oregonian targets cyclists, and now Doonesbury

The Oregonian's recent editorial and article inciting outrage against
cyclists caused me to question my continuing subscription.

http://bikeportland.org/2012/02/27/the-oregonian-blame-bikes-for-budget-mess-
67799
http://bikeportland.org/2012/02/22/the-oregonians-stance-on-bicycling-my-opin
ion-on-their-opinion-67696

After seeing a blurb in the NY Times, I noticed that the editors of
the Oregonian decided to replace the real Doonesbury strip with a
rerun, without telling the readers or offering the real version on the
opinion page. I looked up the Monday strip on the Doonesbury website
and found it hilarious. My wife loves the comics and is really pissed
off. She wants to cancel as well.

Good-bye Oregonian.

KB
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Ken B

The Oregonian's recent editorial and article inciting outrage against
cyclists caused me to question my continuing subscription.

http://bikeportland.org/2012/02/27/the-oregonian-blame-bikes-for-budget-mess-67799
http://bikeportland.org/2012/02/22/the-oregonians-stance-on-bicycling-my-opinion-on-their-opinion-67696

After seeing a blurb in the NY Times, I noticed that the editors of
the Oregonian decided to replace the real Doonesbury strip with a
rerun, without telling the readers or offering the real version on the
opinion page. I looked up the Monday strip on the Doonesbury website
and found it hilarious. My wife loves the comics and is really pissed
off. She wants to cancel as well.

Good-bye Oregonian.

KB