Ben Fischler

i guess i was thinking of XC, but the truth is that i'm more interested in enduro and super d these days.

...the key lesson here is that I need to be entering more races and posting on the goddam internets less. =)

-B

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On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:08 AM, eric aldinger wrote:

> I thought last year went pretty long. If you look at the calendar we XC, short track, endurance (6/24 hr, 50/100 miler) , and Super D races from April until September. The season went into October if you include downhill races and the Bend Fat Tire festival (which is not a race, but is on the OBRA calendar).
>
> Was there not enough of a specific discipline? I sort of felt the XC races were infrequent.

eric aldinger

I thought last year went pretty long. If you look at the calendar we XC,
short track, endurance (6/24 hr, 50/100 miler) , and Super D races from
April until September. The season went into October if you include downhill
races and the Bend Fat Tire festival (which is not a race, but is on the
OBRA calendar).

Was there not enough of a specific discipline? I sort of felt the XC races
were infrequent.

On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Ben Fischler wrote:

> Yes, please.
>
> I'd also add that I'd love a longer MTB race season too, but let's not go
> there right now. ;)
>
> -Ben
>
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>
>
>
>
> On Mar 30, 2012, at 11:40 AM, Todd Mobley wrote:
>
> > Having raced cyclocross for three seasons I am still a newby, and this
> has surely been raised before, but after eating too much dust in the fall
> CX season and wishing for rain, I have to ask...why not race CX in the
> spring too?
> >
> > Road season is getting going, but riding on the road in the rain is no
> fun. MTB season is getting going but training in constantly wet conditions
> gets old. How many others are like me and would love to hit some fun, wet,
> spring CX races to mix it up? Is everyone SO focused on either road or MTB
> that they wouldn't show up to race some fun events if there were a few on
> the calendar in the March/April timeframe?
> >
> > Discuss, or tell me this has been hashed and rehashed in years past.
> Thanks,
> >
> > -Todd
> >
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> > Lancaster Engineering
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Ben Fischler

Yes, please.

I'd also add that I'd love a longer MTB race season too, but let's not go there right now. ;)

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On Mar 30, 2012, at 11:40 AM, Todd Mobley wrote:

> Having raced cyclocross for three seasons I am still a newby, and this has surely been raised before, but after eating too much dust in the fall CX season and wishing for rain, I have to ask...why not race CX in the spring too?
>
> Road season is getting going, but riding on the road in the rain is no fun. MTB season is getting going but training in constantly wet conditions gets old. How many others are like me and would love to hit some fun, wet, spring CX races to mix it up? Is everyone SO focused on either road or MTB that they wouldn't show up to race some fun events if there were a few on the calendar in the March/April timeframe?
>
> Discuss, or tell me this has been hashed and rehashed in years past. Thanks,
>
> -Todd
>
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> Principal
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rondot@spiritone.com

Brian / all,
I do love Cross, but believe too much might not be good for it. Like John
stated, Short Track in the spring might really be an option that would work
well for people to work in as they start training for XC as well as good
intro for ALL age beginners. Yes. Training is different for each, but many
of us have done things like the following example for the last seven years
that Schamp has put on the PIR Short Track Saturday drive to Bend. Sunday
race Chainbreaker or Pickett's, then come home and race Short Track on
Monday. The super positive aspect of doing a short track at a location
OTHER than PIR is it could be done on a weekend and not CRAMMED into 3
hours, but spread over the day which would be very nice for any travel and
families alike!

I cannot imagine the Portland Water Bureau or Parks allowing a race to take
place at Powell Butte (maybe you know something I do not know about the
area). For the metro area a place a little farther away, but the people
(Port who owns land) would bend over backwards to do it is Cascade Locks.
It is closer to my house than Sandy Ridge. For people in SE eve closer. It
has over two miles of single track right now, lots of rutty two track, a
gravel road climb as a great starting location.....and tons of parking. It
would / will be great for Short track and Cross as I believe time will tell.
I am not sure, but believe Jeff Lorenzen might consider that as a site since
he lost the Hood River High School. I am not a huge fan of the Kermesse as
they have so little in the way of technical features...kind of like a Crit.
or a Greyhound race. But Short track and Cross.............Hey they are
fun. More like Agility trials for all breeds. I am not a Greyhound, just a
Mutt looking for fun. I would be willing to volunteer to help at a race out
there.
take care out there and enjoy that damp spring weather.
ron

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Baumann
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 4:50 PM
To: John Wilson
Cc:
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] It's muddy in the spring...

Great idea John. A short track season with a more mtb oriented course
(singletrack) leading into the PIR series would be great. I am constantly
thinking about a venue. Powell Butte?

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 30, 2012, at 3:35 PM, "John Wilson" wrote:

> How about more Short Track? Keep the courses a little more MTB'ish than
> CX,
> but still keep the races short (30-60 min), laps, and have a junior only
> race on the schedule :). It would be great to see some more sweet short
> track venues and series on the calendar. A lot of the same attributes of
> CX,
> but I suggest keeping it optimized for MTB so it is different. I am
> serious
> about the junior race. Lap courses with great spectating, parents/friends
> nearby, relatively slow speeds, no one standing out as dropped or left
> behind is pretty optimum for beginners/juniors.
>
> Cyclocross is my favorite discipline as well but I agree with others that
> by
> the end of the season I am ready for a break from it. One of the things
> that
> keeps CX exciting I think is the focus of energy around it in a short fall
> schedule. Too much of a good thing is not always good! Diversity.
>
> Another option is the dirt crit or Kermesse format. More Eugene Roubaix
> type
> races?
>
> Like many have stated. Give it a shot. Promote a race. Go for it!
>
> I like the mud, but a little sun would be welcome right about now.....
>
> John Wilson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Candi Murray
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 12:52 PM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] It's muddy in the spring...
>
>
> Granted I have been around for a very long time. But when CCX was first
> starting off we went into January. I think it would be great if we would
> take a six week break after the final winter CCX and then have a 4-6 week
> 2nd season from late Januray to the end of February. We would then take
> another couple of weeks off and then start the road season so that we
> would
> not be cancelling road events due to snow. ;-) Someone is going to have
> to
> want to organizer it.
> Candi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of sean
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 12:28 PM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] It's muddy in the spring...
>
> I think there definitely would be a demand for it and an early spring
> series
> or a couple races sprinkled in would definitely work. That being said ME
> personally....as it's my main discipline I LOVE LOVE LOVE CX buuut...come
> December I get pretty burnt out on cx. The way I see it you'd probably get
> some pretty good turnout. Maybe not crusade turnout but of course in some
> ways that's a good thing. And lastly personal motivation level to race cx
> out of "season" aside Beer and waffles is good any time of the year ;)
> Sean
> Bob
>
>
>
> It's muddy in the spring...
>
> Date
> 03/30/2012 11:40 AM
>
> From
> Todd Mobley
>
> Having raced cyclocross for three seasons I am still a newby, and this has
> surely been raised before, but after eating too much dust in the fall CX
> season and wishing for rain, I have to ask...why not race CX in the spring
> too?
>
> Road season is getting going, but riding on the road in the rain is no
> fun.
> MTB season is getting going but training in constantly wet conditions gets
> old. How many others are like me and would love to hit some fun, wet,
> spring
> CX races to mix it up? Is everyone SO focused on either road or MTB that
> they wouldn't show up to race some fun events if there were a few on the
> calendar in the March/April timeframe?
>
> Discuss, or tell me this has been hashed and rehashed in years past.
> Thanks,
>
> -Todd
>
> --
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> Principal
> Lancaster Engineering
> (503) 248-0313 phone
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The May Kruger's Kermesse was canceled due to too much of the farm being
under water. (The summer Kermesse is August 26th)

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Leibowitz, Flo
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 12:04 PM
To: Todd Mobley; Steven Beardsley
Cc: OBRA
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] It's muddy in the spring...

There's a Spring Kermesse scheduled at Krugers Farm in Sauvie Island
sometime soon. There's a test drive, no?

_____

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of
Todd Mobley [todd@lancasterengineering.com]
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 11:59 AM
To: Steven Beardsley
Cc: OBRA
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] It's muddy in the spring...

Absolutely true, but it seems that the first step would be to investigate
the demand, yes? Precisely the reason I posed the question.

-Todd

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Steven Beardsley
wrote:

I'm fairly sure no one is stopping you from promoting a CX race whenever you
want. Step up and do it if you think there is a demand for it.

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Todd Mobley
wrote:

Having raced cyclocross for three seasons I am still a newby, and this has
surely been raised before, but after eating too much dust in the fall CX
season and wishing for rain, I have to ask...why not race CX in the spring
too?

Road season is getting going, but riding on the road in the rain is no fun.
MTB season is getting going but training in constantly wet conditions gets
old. How many others are like me and would love to hit some fun, wet, spring
CX races to mix it up? Is everyone SO focused on either road or MTB that
they wouldn't show up to race some fun events if there were a few on the
calendar in the March/April timeframe?

Discuss, or tell me this has been hashed and rehashed in years past. Thanks,

-Todd

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adam holt

Couldn't agree more. Short Track, Kermesse, Dirt Crit, some spring classic stuff gravel road stuff - mix it up, and then hit CX in the fall.

I wouldn't want to shorten the current Sept - Dec CX format, though, as it gives a good mix of dry/warm/fast races and cold/wet/sloppy ones, and lots of alternate racing weekends if you can't make it to all of the Crusade stuff. As much as I love cross, don't fix what ain't broke!

-Adam

> From: jfw100@comcast.net
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 15:35:14 -0700
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] It's muddy in the spring...
>
> How about more Short Track? Keep the courses a little more MTB'ish than CX,
> but still keep the races short (30-60 min), laps, and have a junior only
> race on the schedule :). It would be great to see some more sweet short
> track venues and series on the calendar. A lot of the same attributes of CX,
> but I suggest keeping it optimized for MTB so it is different. I am serious
> about the junior race. Lap courses with great spectating, parents/friends
> nearby, relatively slow speeds, no one standing out as dropped or left
> behind is pretty optimum for beginners/juniors.
>
> Cyclocross is my favorite discipline as well but I agree with others that by
> the end of the season I am ready for a break from it. One of the things that
> keeps CX exciting I think is the focus of energy around it in a short fall
> schedule. Too much of a good thing is not always good! Diversity.
>
> Another option is the dirt crit or Kermesse format. More Eugene Roubaix type
> races?
>
> Like many have stated. Give it a shot. Promote a race. Go for it!
>
> I like the mud, but a little sun would be welcome right about now.....
>
> John Wilson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Candi Murray
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 12:52 PM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] It's muddy in the spring...
>
>
> Granted I have been around for a very long time. But when CCX was first
> starting off we went into January. I think it would be great if we would
> take a six week break after the final winter CCX and then have a 4-6 week
> 2nd season from late Januray to the end of February. We would then take
> another couple of weeks off and then start the road season so that we would
> not be cancelling road events due to snow. ;-) Someone is going to have to
> want to organizer it.
> Candi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of sean
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 12:28 PM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] It's muddy in the spring...
>
> I think there definitely would be a demand for it and an early spring series
> or a couple races sprinkled in would definitely work. That being said ME
> personally....as it's my main discipline I LOVE LOVE LOVE CX buuut...come
> December I get pretty burnt out on cx. The way I see it you'd probably get
> some pretty good turnout. Maybe not crusade turnout but of course in some
> ways that's a good thing. And lastly personal motivation level to race cx
> out of "season" aside Beer and waffles is good any time of the year ;) Sean
> Bob
>
>
>
> It's muddy in the spring...
>
> Date
> 03/30/2012 11:40 AM
>
> From
> Todd Mobley
>
> Having raced cyclocross for three seasons I am still a newby, and this has
> surely been raised before, but after eating too much dust in the fall CX
> season and wishing for rain, I have to ask...why not race CX in the spring
> too?
>
> Road season is getting going, but riding on the road in the rain is no fun.
> MTB season is getting going but training in constantly wet conditions gets
> old. How many others are like me and would love to hit some fun, wet, spring
> CX races to mix it up? Is everyone SO focused on either road or MTB that
> they wouldn't show up to race some fun events if there were a few on the
> calendar in the March/April timeframe?
>
> Discuss, or tell me this has been hashed and rehashed in years past. Thanks,
>
> -Todd
>
> --
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> Principal
> Lancaster Engineering
> (503) 248-0313 phone
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Brian Baumann

Great idea John. A short track season with a more mtb oriented course (singletrack) leading into the PIR series would be great. I am constantly thinking about a venue. Powell Butte?

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 30, 2012, at 3:35 PM, "John Wilson" wrote:

> How about more Short Track? Keep the courses a little more MTB'ish than CX,
> but still keep the races short (30-60 min), laps, and have a junior only
> race on the schedule :). It would be great to see some more sweet short
> track venues and series on the calendar. A lot of the same attributes of CX,
> but I suggest keeping it optimized for MTB so it is different. I am serious
> about the junior race. Lap courses with great spectating, parents/friends
> nearby, relatively slow speeds, no one standing out as dropped or left
> behind is pretty optimum for beginners/juniors.
>
> Cyclocross is my favorite discipline as well but I agree with others that by
> the end of the season I am ready for a break from it. One of the things that
> keeps CX exciting I think is the focus of energy around it in a short fall
> schedule. Too much of a good thing is not always good! Diversity.
>
> Another option is the dirt crit or Kermesse format. More Eugene Roubaix type
> races?
>
> Like many have stated. Give it a shot. Promote a race. Go for it!
>
> I like the mud, but a little sun would be welcome right about now.....
>
> John Wilson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Candi Murray
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 12:52 PM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] It's muddy in the spring...
>
>
> Granted I have been around for a very long time. But when CCX was first
> starting off we went into January. I think it would be great if we would
> take a six week break after the final winter CCX and then have a 4-6 week
> 2nd season from late Januray to the end of February. We would then take
> another couple of weeks off and then start the road season so that we would
> not be cancelling road events due to snow. ;-) Someone is going to have to
> want to organizer it.
> Candi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of sean
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 12:28 PM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] It's muddy in the spring...
>
> I think there definitely would be a demand for it and an early spring series
> or a couple races sprinkled in would definitely work. That being said ME
> personally....as it's my main discipline I LOVE LOVE LOVE CX buuut...come
> December I get pretty burnt out on cx. The way I see it you'd probably get
> some pretty good turnout. Maybe not crusade turnout but of course in some
> ways that's a good thing. And lastly personal motivation level to race cx
> out of "season" aside Beer and waffles is good any time of the year ;) Sean
> Bob
>
>
>
> It's muddy in the spring...
>
> Date
> 03/30/2012 11:40 AM
>
> From
> Todd Mobley
>
> Having raced cyclocross for three seasons I am still a newby, and this has
> surely been raised before, but after eating too much dust in the fall CX
> season and wishing for rain, I have to ask...why not race CX in the spring
> too?
>
> Road season is getting going, but riding on the road in the rain is no fun.
> MTB season is getting going but training in constantly wet conditions gets
> old. How many others are like me and would love to hit some fun, wet, spring
> CX races to mix it up? Is everyone SO focused on either road or MTB that
> they wouldn't show up to race some fun events if there were a few on the
> calendar in the March/April timeframe?
>
> Discuss, or tell me this has been hashed and rehashed in years past. Thanks,
>
> -Todd
>
> --
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> Principal
> Lancaster Engineering
> (503) 248-0313 phone
> (503) 248-9251 fax
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Pat Malach

Perhaps cyclocross holds a special place with so many precisely because of the relatively short nature of the season. Having it all season long might be the fastest way to put a knife in the good times. Like trying to have Halloween every day.

Jeremy Schroeder

Todd,

I was thinking the same thing a couple weeks ago. [I write these thoughts
down sometimes] - http://j.mp/HzgW7b

I'd be up for riding 1 each month until MTB season gets going. I don't
race road so I sit there and wait or ride in the rain anyway.

By the way, Shiggy is building a new On-One Dirty Disco for me so I'd love
to get it broken in with a race.

Jeremy

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Todd Mobley wrote:

> Thanks everyone, for the quick replies. I should clarify, my question was
> not, "Why isn't anyone putting on spring CX races?" It was more along the
> lines of, "If there were some spring CX races, would you go?"
>
> I'm interested in giving it a go, so it seems like a logical question to
> pose to the local racing community.
>
> -Todd
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Todd Mobley <
> todd@lancasterengineering.com> wrote:
>
>> Having raced cyclocross for three seasons I am still a newby, and this
>> has surely been raised before, but after eating too much dust in the fall
>> CX season and wishing for rain, I have to ask...why not race CX in the
>> spring too?
>>
>> Road season is getting going, but riding on the road in the rain is no
>> fun. MTB season is getting going but training in constantly wet conditions
>> gets old. How many others are like me and would love to hit some fun, wet,
>> spring CX races to mix it up? Is everyone SO focused on either road or MTB
>> that they wouldn't show up to race some fun events if there were a few on
>> the calendar in the March/April timeframe?
>>
>> Discuss, or tell me this has been hashed and rehashed in years past.
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -Todd
>>
>> --
>> Todd E. Mobley, PE, PTOE
>> Principal
>> Lancaster Engineering
>> (503) 248-0313 phone
>> (503) 248-9251 fax
>>
>
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John Wilson

How about more Short Track? Keep the courses a little more MTB'ish than CX,
but still keep the races short (30-60 min), laps, and have a junior only
race on the schedule :). It would be great to see some more sweet short
track venues and series on the calendar. A lot of the same attributes of CX,
but I suggest keeping it optimized for MTB so it is different. I am serious
about the junior race. Lap courses with great spectating, parents/friends
nearby, relatively slow speeds, no one standing out as dropped or left
behind is pretty optimum for beginners/juniors.

Cyclocross is my favorite discipline as well but I agree with others that by
the end of the season I am ready for a break from it. One of the things that
keeps CX exciting I think is the focus of energy around it in a short fall
schedule. Too much of a good thing is not always good! Diversity.

Another option is the dirt crit or Kermesse format. More Eugene Roubaix type
races?

Like many have stated. Give it a shot. Promote a race. Go for it!

I like the mud, but a little sun would be welcome right about now.....

John Wilson

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Granted I have been around for a very long time. But when CCX was first
starting off we went into January. I think it would be great if we would
take a six week break after the final winter CCX and then have a 4-6 week
2nd season from late Januray to the end of February. We would then take
another couple of weeks off and then start the road season so that we would
not be cancelling road events due to snow. ;-) Someone is going to have to
want to organizer it.
Candi

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I think there definitely would be a demand for it and an early spring series
or a couple races sprinkled in would definitely work. That being said ME
personally....as it's my main discipline I LOVE LOVE LOVE CX buuut...come
December I get pretty burnt out on cx. The way I see it you'd probably get
some pretty good turnout. Maybe not crusade turnout but of course in some
ways that's a good thing. And lastly personal motivation level to race cx
out of "season" aside Beer and waffles is good any time of the year ;) Sean
Bob

It's muddy in the spring...

Date
03/30/2012 11:40 AM

From
Todd Mobley

Having raced cyclocross for three seasons I am still a newby, and this has
surely been raised before, but after eating too much dust in the fall CX
season and wishing for rain, I have to ask...why not race CX in the spring
too?

Road season is getting going, but riding on the road in the rain is no fun.
MTB season is getting going but training in constantly wet conditions gets
old. How many others are like me and would love to hit some fun, wet, spring
CX races to mix it up? Is everyone SO focused on either road or MTB that
they wouldn't show up to race some fun events if there were a few on the
calendar in the March/April timeframe?

Discuss, or tell me this has been hashed and rehashed in years past. Thanks,

-Todd

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Candi Murray

Granted I have been around for a very long time. But when CCX was first
starting off we went into January. I think it would be great if we would
take a six week break after the final winter CCX and then have a 4-6 week
2nd season from late Januray to the end of February. We would then take
another couple of weeks off and then start the road season so that we would
not be cancelling road events due to snow. ;-) Someone is going to have to
want to organizer it.
Candi

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Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 12:28 PM
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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] It's muddy in the spring...

I think there definitely would be a demand for it and an early spring series
or a couple races sprinkled in would definitely work. That being said ME
personally....as it's my main discipline I LOVE LOVE LOVE CX buuut...come
December I get pretty burnt out on cx. The way I see it you'd probably get
some pretty good turnout. Maybe not crusade turnout but of course in some
ways that's a good thing. And lastly personal motivation level to race cx
out of "season" aside Beer and waffles is good any time of the year ;) Sean
Bob

It's muddy in the spring...

Date
03/30/2012 11:40 AM

From
Todd Mobley

Having raced cyclocross for three seasons I am still a newby, and this has
surely been raised before, but after eating too much dust in the fall CX
season and wishing for rain, I have to ask...why not race CX in the spring
too?

Road season is getting going, but riding on the road in the rain is no fun.
MTB season is getting going but training in constantly wet conditions gets
old. How many others are like me and would love to hit some fun, wet, spring
CX races to mix it up? Is everyone SO focused on either road or MTB that
they wouldn't show up to race some fun events if there were a few on the
calendar in the March/April timeframe?

Discuss, or tell me this has been hashed and rehashed in years past. Thanks,

-Todd

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sean

I think there definitely would be a demand for it and an early spring series or a couple races sprinkled in would definitely work. That being said ME personally....as it's my main discipline I LOVE LOVE LOVE CX buuut...come December I get pretty burnt out on cx. The way I see it you'd probably get some pretty good turnout. Maybe not crusade turnout but of course in some ways that's a good thing. And lastly personal motivation level to race cx out of "season" aside Beer and waffles is good any time of the year ;)
Sean Bob

It's muddy in the spring...

Date
03/30/2012 11:40 AM

From
Todd Mobley

Having raced cyclocross for three seasons I am still a newby, and this has
surely been raised before, but after eating too much dust in the fall CX
season and wishing for rain, I have to ask...why not race CX in the spring
too?

Road season is getting going, but riding on the road in the rain is no fun.
MTB season is getting going but training in constantly wet conditions gets
old. How many others are like me and would love to hit some fun, wet,
spring CX races to mix it up? Is everyone SO focused on either road or MTB
that they wouldn't show up to race some fun events if there were a few on
the calendar in the March/April timeframe?

Discuss, or tell me this has been hashed and rehashed in years past. Thanks,

-Todd

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(503) 248-9251 fax

Todd Mobley

Thanks everyone, for the quick replies. I should clarify, my question was
not, "Why isn't anyone putting on spring CX races?" It was more along the
lines of, "If there were some spring CX races, would you go?"

I'm interested in giving it a go, so it seems like a logical question to
pose to the local racing community.

-Todd

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Todd Mobley wrote:

> Having raced cyclocross for three seasons I am still a newby, and this has
> surely been raised before, but after eating too much dust in the fall CX
> season and wishing for rain, I have to ask...why not race CX in the spring
> too?
>
> Road season is getting going, but riding on the road in the rain is no
> fun. MTB season is getting going but training in constantly wet conditions
> gets old. How many others are like me and would love to hit some fun, wet,
> spring CX races to mix it up? Is everyone SO focused on either road or MTB
> that they wouldn't show up to race some fun events if there were a few on
> the calendar in the March/April timeframe?
>
> Discuss, or tell me this has been hashed and rehashed in years past.
> Thanks,
>
> -Todd
>
> --
> Todd E. Mobley, PE, PTOE
> Principal
> Lancaster Engineering
> (503) 248-0313 phone
> (503) 248-9251 fax
>

matt Savage

+1 on that... Two months too early for sure... Sept./Oct. is the best
MTB'ing time!!!

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 12:17 PM, don person wrote:

> It has been discussed for years. I have long heard the opinion that
> most of the racing season start and finish at least 2 months to early.
>
> -shiggy
>
> On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Todd Mobley
> wrote:
> > Having raced cyclocross for three seasons I am still a newby, and this
> has
> > surely been raised before, but after eating too much dust in the fall CX
> > season and wishing for rain, I have to ask...why not race CX in the
> spring
> > too?
> >
> > Road season is getting going, but riding on the road in the rain is no
> fun.
> > MTB season is getting going but training in constantly wet conditions
> gets
> > old. How many others are like me and would love to hit some fun, wet,
> spring
> > CX races to mix it up? Is everyone SO focused on either road or MTB that
> > they wouldn't show up to race some fun events if there were a few on the
> > calendar in the March/April timeframe?
> >
> > Discuss, or tell me this has been hashed and rehashed in years past.
> Thanks,
> >
> > -Todd
> >
> > --
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> > Principal
> > Lancaster Engineering
> > (503) 248-0313 phone
> > (503) 248-9251 fax
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don person

It has been discussed for years. I have long heard the opinion that
most of the racing season start and finish at least 2 months to early.

-shiggy

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Todd Mobley
wrote:
> Having raced cyclocross for three seasons I am still a newby, and this has
> surely been raised before, but after eating too much dust in the fall CX
> season and wishing for rain, I have to ask...why not race CX in the spring
> too?
>
> Road season is getting going, but riding on the road in the rain is no fun.
> MTB season is getting going but training in constantly wet conditions gets
> old. How many others are like me and would love to hit some fun, wet, spring
> CX races to mix it up? Is everyone SO focused on either road or MTB that
> they wouldn't show up to race some fun events if there were a few on the
> calendar in the March/April timeframe?
>
> Discuss, or tell me this has been hashed and rehashed in years past. Thanks,
>
> -Todd
>
> --
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> Principal
> Lancaster Engineering
> (503) 248-0313 phone
> (503) 248-9251 fax
>
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Russell @ Upper Echelon

I might add, the beauty of OBRA is the lack of barriers (no CX pun
intended) to race promotion. Everything you need to promote an event is
here for you. Including access to a lot of people that love cyclocross.
So if you *really *want to answer that question, give it a go.

Personally, I think Spring is a great time for road racing. We've had 4
road races and 3 of them have had dry roads.

RC

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On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Mike Murray wrote:

> I hate to be a broken record on this sort of thing but all it would take
> for this to happen is for someone to just put on the race. It is really a
> "be the change you want to see in the world" deal. There are no rules
> requiring that specific types of races be put on at specific times of the
> year.
> Mike Murray
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I hate to be a broken record on this sort of thing but all it would take for this to happen is for someone to just put on the race. It is really a "be the change you want to see in the world" deal. There are no rules requiring that specific types of races be put on at specific times of the year.
Mike Murray
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Leibowitz, Flo

There's a Spring Kermesse scheduled at Krugers Farm in Sauvie Island sometime soon. There's a test drive, no?

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Todd Mobley [todd@lancasterengineering.com]
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 11:59 AM
To: Steven Beardsley
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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] It's muddy in the spring...

Absolutely true, but it seems that the first step would be to investigate the demand, yes? Precisely the reason I posed the question.

-Todd

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Steven Beardsley > wrote:
I'm fairly sure no one is stopping you from promoting a CX race whenever you want. Step up and do it if you think there is a demand for it.

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Todd Mobley > wrote:
Having raced cyclocross for three seasons I am still a newby, and this has surely been raised before, but after eating too much dust in the fall CX season and wishing for rain, I have to ask...why not race CX in the spring too?

Road season is getting going, but riding on the road in the rain is no fun. MTB season is getting going but training in constantly wet conditions gets old. How many others are like me and would love to hit some fun, wet, spring CX races to mix it up? Is everyone SO focused on either road or MTB that they wouldn't show up to race some fun events if there were a few on the calendar in the March/April timeframe?

Discuss, or tell me this has been hashed and rehashed in years past. Thanks,

-Todd

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Todd Mobley

Absolutely true, but it seems that the first step would be to investigate
the demand, yes? Precisely the reason I posed the question.

-Todd

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Steven Beardsley wrote:

> I'm fairly sure no one is stopping you from promoting a CX race whenever
> you want. Step up and do it if you think there is a demand for it.
>
> On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Todd Mobley <
> todd@lancasterengineering.com> wrote:
>
>> Having raced cyclocross for three seasons I am still a newby, and this
>> has surely been raised before, but after eating too much dust in the fall
>> CX season and wishing for rain, I have to ask...why not race CX in the
>> spring too?
>>
>> Road season is getting going, but riding on the road in the rain is no
>> fun. MTB season is getting going but training in constantly wet conditions
>> gets old. How many others are like me and would love to hit some fun, wet,
>> spring CX races to mix it up? Is everyone SO focused on either road or MTB
>> that they wouldn't show up to race some fun events if there were a few on
>> the calendar in the March/April timeframe?
>>
>> Discuss, or tell me this has been hashed and rehashed in years past.
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -Todd
>>
>> --
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>> Principal
>> Lancaster Engineering
>> (503) 248-0313 phone
>> (503) 248-9251 fax
>>
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>>
>

Rick Johnson

Not really my cup of tea but I will say it makes more sense than having
CX races in September.

Rick

Rick Johnson
Bend Oregon

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On 3/30/2012 11:40 AM, Todd Mobley wrote:
> Having raced cyclocross for three seasons I am still a newby, and this
> has surely been raised before, but after eating too much dust in the
> fall CX season and wishing for rain, I have to ask...why not race CX
> in the spring too?
>
> Road season is getting going, but riding on the road in the rain is no
> fun. MTB season is getting going but training in constantly wet
> conditions gets old. How many others are like me and would love to hit
> some fun, wet, spring CX races to mix it up? Is everyone SO focused on
> either road or MTB that they wouldn't show up to race some fun events
> if there were a few on the calendar in the March/April timeframe?
>
> Discuss, or tell me this has been hashed and rehashed in years past.
> Thanks,
>
> -Todd
>
> --
> Todd E. Mobley, PE, PTOE
> Principal
> Lancaster Engineering
> (503) 248-0313 phone
> (503) 248-9251 fax
>
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Steven Beardsley

I'm fairly sure no one is stopping you from promoting a CX race whenever
you want. Step up and do it if you think there is a demand for it.

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Todd Mobley wrote:

> Having raced cyclocross for three seasons I am still a newby, and this has
> surely been raised before, but after eating too much dust in the fall CX
> season and wishing for rain, I have to ask...why not race CX in the spring
> too?
>
> Road season is getting going, but riding on the road in the rain is no
> fun. MTB season is getting going but training in constantly wet conditions
> gets old. How many others are like me and would love to hit some fun, wet,
> spring CX races to mix it up? Is everyone SO focused on either road or MTB
> that they wouldn't show up to race some fun events if there were a few on
> the calendar in the March/April timeframe?
>
> Discuss, or tell me this has been hashed and rehashed in years past.
> Thanks,
>
> -Todd
>
> --
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> Principal
> Lancaster Engineering
> (503) 248-0313 phone
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grantcollins@ymail.com

Agreed, other than the historical reasons. Why can't Cross season be almost year round with events?

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On Mar 30, 2012, at 11:40 AM, Todd Mobley wrote:

> Having raced cyclocross for three seasons I am still a newby, and this has surely been raised before, but after eating too much dust in the fall CX season and wishing for rain, I have to ask...why not race CX in the spring too?
>
> Road season is getting going, but riding on the road in the rain is no fun. MTB season is getting going but training in constantly wet conditions gets old. How many others are like me and would love to hit some fun, wet, spring CX races to mix it up? Is everyone SO focused on either road or MTB that they wouldn't show up to race some fun events if there were a few on the calendar in the March/April timeframe?
>
> Discuss, or tell me this has been hashed and rehashed in years past. Thanks,
>
> -Todd
>
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Todd Mobley

Having raced cyclocross for three seasons I am still a newby, and this has
surely been raised before, but after eating too much dust in the fall CX
season and wishing for rain, I have to ask...why not race CX in the spring
too?

Road season is getting going, but riding on the road in the rain is no fun.
MTB season is getting going but training in constantly wet conditions gets
old. How many others are like me and would love to hit some fun, wet,
spring CX races to mix it up? Is everyone SO focused on either road or MTB
that they wouldn't show up to race some fun events if there were a few on
the calendar in the March/April timeframe?

Discuss, or tell me this has been hashed and rehashed in years past. Thanks,

-Todd

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Principal
Lancaster Engineering
(503) 248-0313 phone
(503) 248-9251 fax