well team leaders know who ride for them, the jersey thing would rarely be
an issue....Almost ever team in OBRA does not hand out or sell their team
jerseys, in the case of shop sponsored jerseys, then it still goes back to
if you are a paid member of that team and if you get DQed from a race for
doing something really stupid then your team leader knows who you are and
can then exercise some penalties....I know teams, bike racing, hanging out
with people you train with is a fun thing and talking about this crap kinda
sucks....But it's the reality when you have a few people that think they are
above the rules, that is what takes the fun out of it.....so we should just
remove that component and then we are back to having fun again, see it's
easy : )
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Schauer"
To: "Jeff Tedder"
Cc: ; "Jake Rosenfeld" ;
; "Hugh Givens"
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] MORE ON PIECE OF CAKE
I agree whole heartedly that we need some greater deterrent. But, the
team enforcement concept is more complicated than it might appee-er.
I'm not aware that OBRA policies who registers as part of a team with
the individual team reps to confirm their affiliation. Particularly
when your team's title sponsor is a bike shop or product manufacturer
that sells the same jersey to the broader public, I have had the
experience of new OBRA members not formally affiliated with our team,
but bought the jersey at the store, show up at a race, decide to sign
up use write down their team name to match the jersey they just
bought, and then break some rule like peeing in public, wear
headphones during the race after being warned in warm ups,
unreasonable argue with an official, litter, toss a water bottle in
some one's yard, flip someone off, run a stop sign, etc.
If we do go to a team penalty enforcement, we will need to be more
diligent about confirming team affiliation of OBRA members with each
team's OBRA rep annually.
Thx
Tim Schauer
Sent from my mobile device
On Apr 10, 2012, at 4:44 PM, Jeff Tedder
wrote:
> Yes, just speaking of the POC, there was NO issue with waiting in lines at
> all....so that never could be an excuse last Sat....
> as I said in earlier emails, I used them 3 times before my race time and
> there was never a line, I walked right up and climbed in....And I agree
> with Troy, face the music, or the team leader should have enough integrity
> to come out and apologize for his teams actions....The fire dept. who
> knows who that was, solo or a team member?.....Hopefully, we as group,
> OBRA can come up with a better solution to dealing with stuff like
> this....When we start loosing race venues because of the arrogance of
> people they should have some harsh penalties.....
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From:
> To: "Jake Rosenfeld"
> Cc: ; "Hugh Givens"
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 4:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] MORE ON PIECE OF CAKE
>
>
>> This isnt a question about lack of facilities. It is more a lack of
>> common-decency
>> by some members of the OBRA peloton. I have had as many as 6 porta
>> potties at the
>> TT with no lines and STILL people snuck off to use the
>> bushes/buildings/etc.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 15:49:22 -0700 (PDT), Jake Rosenfeld
>> wrote:
>>> I like this idea, I've thought about leaving a donation.........can
>>> for an extra ......can at registration in the past.
>>>
>>> Not sure what the one day rentals are for the porto-lets but it seems
>>> like its around $80 or so to get one on site.
>>>
>>> Wouldn't take much from each racer to cover the extra fees, 50 cents
>>> or a dollar a head would do the trick.
>>>
>>> Jake
>>>
>>> FROM: "grantcollins@ymail.com"
>>> TO: Troy Sexton
>>> CC: "obra@list.obra.org" ; Hugh Givens
>>> SENT: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 2:14 PM
>>> SUBJECT: Re: [OBRA Chat] MORE ON PIECE OF CAKE
>>>
>>> Learn from it for the next time and add more porta potties thru out
>>> the venue, 600 racers all having to pee three or four times before a
>>> race. Charge accordingly, add a porta potty fee to each racer?
>>>
>>> Just my 2 cents. I've been to some of these races 30 people deep
>>> waiting in line to use one. And I've never peed anywhere but the porta
>>> potties and don't condone the behavior!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 10, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Troy Sexton wrote:
>>>
>>> I find it interesting that the perpetrators of this ruckus have not
>>> come forward to fall on their sword and apologize for their conduct or
>>> attempt to somehow repair the damage they have caused.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:54 PM, william fasano wrote:
>>>
>>> Lets all remember that in the late 90's the bananna belt races were
>>> down just south of the POC race, near the Ankeny wildlife refuge. A
>>> perfect early season course. The race was shut down because some world
>>> class cat 6's had to throw their water bottles and powerbar wrappers
>>> off the side of the road into the wetland refuge! The county sent out
>>> an observer, in a car........bada bing bada boom.......No more race
>>> here. Next year, if they allow the race, the bicycle haters will be
>>> out in force.
>>>
>>> Sorry Hugh. You and your team and your sponsors are very classy and
>>> have been for years. I is very hard to dedicate so much time and
>>> energy to put on a great event. Its even harder when someone gets
>>> caught peeing on a fire station. It is sad we (the cycling community)
>>> will have to answer for that for years.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Jeff Tedder wrote:
>>> Wow, Hugh this is really to bad, I agree totally with what you said.
>>> I think team leaders should have some type of responsibilty to police
>>> thier own teams in matters like this, I am sure most do but some don't
>>> that's for sure.....and deal with people that are suppose to be
>>> supporting team sponsors, mates and OBRA. All you clowns that think
>>> that hanging it out at races is cool, I hope you realize what you are
>>> doing to race promoters, OBRA and the way that people look at bike
>>> racing in genaral when you see emails like this from important people
>>> in these small communities...We all know its a very small % for sure,
>>> but that small % makes the large % look pretty stupid and
>>> childish....Lets hope YOU, your teams and leaders learn something from
>>> this email and this past weekend....GROW UP.....
>>>
>>> -- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Givens"
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 11:21 AM
>>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] MORE ON PIECE OF CAKE
>>>
>>> Please see the copied email below.
>>>
>>> I'm sure I'm not the only race promoter to have to deal with this
>>> kind of stuff, and I feel like a nag. But the OBRA community needs
>>> higher awareness of what promoters have to deal with when putting on
>>> an event. I think the rank and file have no appreciation for what it
>>> takes to put on a road race. It's really hard work and there is zero
>>> financial incentive to do it.
>>>
>>> Regarding the email below, I rather suspect that this offense is in
>>> addition to the barn incident. And now I really fear that three years
>>> of relationship building have gone down the drain.
>>>
>>> I hate having to deal with this. I just hate it. Not only do I lose
>>> face but the entire cycling community - not just race community -
>>> suffers for the thoughtlessness of a few. I understand that OBRA needs
>>> to have hard evidence to mete some kind of punishment. But I'd sure
>>> like to see harsher, TEAM penalties adopted by OBRA in the future.
>>> Apparently gentle appeals do not work.
>>>
>>> Our entitled individual and collective behavior has got to improve or
>>> we will not be able to road race anywhere in the future.
>>>
>>> Other promoters, please chime in and share your experiences on
>>> today's talk show...
>>>
>>> Hugh Givens
>>>
>>> From: "amityfiredistrict"
>>> Date: April 10, 2012 10:10:03 AM PDT
>>> To:
>>> Subject: Piece of Cake bike event
>>>
>>> Hi, My name is Bruce Hubbard the Fire Chief for Amity Fire District.
>>> This last Saturday April 7, 2012 early in the morning one of my
>>> Volunteer Firefighters observed a bicyclist urinating on our brand new
>>> Fire Station near the Perrydale School. This disappoints me very much
>>> to learn this kind of thing going on. This station is less than a year
>>> old and our community is very proud of that station. I am taking into
>>> consideration for next year making that a no trespassing piece of
>>> property. I would contact the Polk County Sheriff and have everyone
>>> sited that would enter the property on that day. So please advise all
>>> of your riders that this kind of behavior is ridiculous and will not
>>> be tolerated by me or the Fire District. I look forward in hearing
>>> back from you on this matter.
>>>
>>> Thank You
>>> Bruce Hubbard
>>> Fire Chief
>>> Amity Fire District
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