Re: [OBRA Race] Rules about similar Jerseys

Mike Murray

2012-04-27

An important and intentional distinction. This rule only applies to cat 1/2 races, not Cat 1/2/3 races. As always, if you don't like the rule feel free to propose a rule change.
Mike Murray
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Mike Murray

2012-04-27

An important and intentional distinction. This rule only applies to cat 1/2 races, not Cat 1/2/3 races. As always, if you don't like the rule feel free to propose a rule change.
Mike Murray
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Mark J. Ginsberg

2012-04-27

Rick,

Read it even more carefully than that, it is 1/2 races.

a cat 1 doing pir in the 1/2/3 field is not doing a 1/2 race.

being a technical jerk sometimes, I could even argue that the rule, as written, would not apply in a pro/1/2 race, but then some smarty pants would show me that OBRA doesn't have a pro category.

 
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From: Rick Johnson
To: Brett Luelling
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Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] [OBRA Race] Rules about similar Jerseys

Read carefully, the ruling applies to Cat 1/2 riders.
I think that is an important distinction.

Rick Johnson
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On 4/26/2012 4:20 PM, Brett Luelling wrote:
I think it's a good ruling. The reality is that most of us are privateers and team kits change from year to year for a lot of teams. A rider may only have one of the new jerseys and it may not be appropriate for the weather. Besides, that same rider could wear a blank jersey and be working for the team. 
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>Brett
>
>
>On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 4:12 PM, STEVEN R HOLLAND wrote:
>
>Fire the board...................I could not disagree more with the ruling.
>> 
>>A predominantly "white" jersey is not the same as a predominantly "black" jersey.
>> 
>>One of the reasons to have the "same" jersey is to differentiate riders in a break that is "up the rode". This would be hard if not imposable from a distance.
>> 
>>STEVEN R HOLLAND
>>C(360) 600-2702
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>>From: Candi Murray
>>To: obra@list.obra.org; obrarace@list.obra.org
>>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 8:02 AM
>>Subject: [OBRA Chat] Rules about similar Jerseys
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>>There has been some discussion and a request for a ruling about Cat ½ team members of the same club wearing different jerseys. In both cases this involved the same jersey design but with different back grounds. i.e. on white or on black.  The OBRA rule is
>> 
>>7.2.2 Team/Club clothing
>>No rider may wear the jersey of a club or team that the rider is not
>>eligible to represent.
>>In mass start events Category 1 and 2 riders from the same club/
>>team must wear uniforms that are obviously similar unless the
>>rules for the specific event require otherwise
>> 
>>The Board of Directors have reviewed and came up with this decision.
>> 
>>“This is a judgment call, but the spirit of the rule is that the kits must be easily identifiable as part of the same team within the peloton. It is the board’s opinion that the design elements of these kits (a human factors engineer would say Design Language) meet that requirement”.
>> 
>>Candi
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Rick Johnson

2012-04-26





Read carefully, the ruling applies to Cat 1/2 riders.

I think that is an important distinction.





Rick Johnson

Bend, Oregon

Every revolutionary idea seems to evoke three stages of reaction...
One, it's completely impossible.
Two, it's possible, but it's not worth doing.
Three, I said it was a good idea all along.

Arthur C. Clarke




On 4/26/2012 4:20 PM, Brett Luelling wrote:

I think it's a good ruling. The reality
is that most of us are privateers and team kits change from year
to year for a lot of teams. A rider may only have one of the new
jerseys and it may not be appropriate for the weather. Besides,
that same rider could wear a blank jersey and be working for the
team. 





Brett



On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 4:12 PM, STEVEN
R HOLLAND <srh148@yahoo.com>
wrote:




Fire the board...................I could not
disagree more with the ruling.


 

predominantly
"white" jersey is not the same as a predominantly
"black" jersey.


 

One of the reasons to have the "same" jersey
is to differentiate riders
in a break that is "up the rode". This would be hard
if not imposable from a
distance.

 

STEVEN R HOLLAND











From:
Candi Murray <cmurray@obra.org>

To:
obra@list.obra.org; obrarace@list.obra.org

Sent:
Thursday, April 26, 2012 8:02 AM

Subject:
[OBRA Chat] Rules about similar Jerseys








There
has been some discussion and a
request for a ruling about Cat ½
team members of the same club
wearing different jerseys. In both
cases this involved the same jersey
design but with different back
grounds. i.e. on white or on black. 
The OBRA rule is


 

7.2.2
Team/Club clothing

No
rider may wear the jersey of a club or
team that the rider is not

eligible

to represent.


In
mass start events Category 1 and 2
riders from the same club/

team
must wear uniforms that are obviously
similar unless the


rules
for the specific event require
otherwise




 


The
Board of Directors have reviewed and
came up with this decision.


 

“This
is a judgment call, but the spirit of
the rule is that the kits must be
easily identifiable as part of the
same team within the peloton. It is
the board’s opinion that the design
elements of these kits (a human
factors engineer would say Design
Language) meet that requirement”.


 

Candi


 



 










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Brett Luelling

2012-04-26

I think it's a good ruling. The reality is that most of us are privateers
and team kits change from year to year for a lot of teams. A rider may only
have one of the new jerseys and it may not be appropriate for the weather.
Besides, that same rider could wear a blank jersey and be working for the
team.

Brett

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 4:12 PM, STEVEN R HOLLAND wrote:

> Fire the board...................I could not disagree more with the ruling.
>
> A predominantly "white" jersey is not the same as a predominantly "black"
> jersey.
>
> One of the reasons to have the "same" jersey is to differentiate riders
> in a break that is "up the rode". This would be hard if not imposablefrom a distance.
>
> STEVEN R HOLLAND
> C(360) 600-2702
>
> *From:* Candi Murray
> *To:* obra@list.obra.org; obrarace@list.obra.org
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 26, 2012 8:02 AM
> *Subject:* [OBRA Chat] Rules about similar Jerseys
>
> *There has been some discussion and a request for a ruling about Cat