Brian Baumann

Overall, we have actually lost singletrack in the city since Mr. Fish has been head of Parks and the singletrack committee was formed.

eric aldinger

I am with Frank on this. I watched him expend time and good to communicate
the public interest, for zero return.

On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:33 PM, wrote:

> Our brains do not function like the computers "machine learning"......dang
> things.
> Frank. You probably at least proof read your post as half of mine have
> all sorts of mumbo jumbo crap because either I do not proof or miss the
> errors
> ......I know you all know and expect that of me!
> rs
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Frank Selker
> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 10:07 PM
> To: rondot@spiritone.com ; 'Santos Joe'
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Forest Park Action: Oppose Fish
>
>
> Whoops - I think I posted a reply to the whole list. Dang. Just figuring
> it out.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rondot@spiritone.com [mailto:rondot@spiritone.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 9:48 PM
> To: Santos Joe; Frank Selker
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Forest Park Action: Oppose Fish
>
> Not saying I have a big need to see both of them at members of the City
> Council, but where they stand on issues OTHER that single-track for us
> bikers in Forest Park might make me consider support for one or both of
> them. Or I might not vote for either. I urge people on this list to NOT
> let one issue be the reason they vote for someone......but that is just my
> opinion and I only have one vote. There are things more important than my
> need for what I would like (like single-track in FP).
> Just imagine yourself on the Portland City Council. Piece of cake right?
>
> ron
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Santos Joe
> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 8:06 PM
> To: Frank Selker
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Forest Park Action: Oppose Fish
>
> Amanda Fritz opposes MTB trails in FP as well. I don't know her opponents
> views on the matter, not exactly a high priority issue in the political
> realm.
>
>
> On May 4, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Frank Selker wrote:
>
> I suggest voting against Nick Fish, and supporting his opponent,
>> unless he makes progress toward single track in FP.
>>
>> He ignored the recommendation of the public committee he formed to
>> create single track.
>>
>> He ignored over 1,000 Portlanders who responded to a poll, with a
>> majority favoring more MTB in FP.
>>
>> He ignored over 350 letters he got from cyclists supporting more
>> access - far more than letters opposing it.
>>
>> He threw us under the bus because the City Club said no -- the Chair
>> of the City Club committee said "Cyclists have too much clout in city
>>
> hall."
>
>> So Nick put him on the Parks budget committee.
>>
>> Evidence to date: Nick Fish doesn't work for us. He works for the
>> rhymes-with-city club.
>>
>> He wants to throw a bone with Gateway Green - a vacant lot surrounded
>> by freeways. Hikers wouldn't take that trade, nor would I.
>>
>> My 2 cents.
>>
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rondot@spiritone.com

Our brains do not function like the computers "machine learning"......dang
things.
Frank. You probably at least proof read your post as half of mine have all
sorts of mumbo jumbo crap because either I do not proof or miss the errors
......I know you all know and expect that of me!
rs

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Selker
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 10:07 PM
To: rondot@spiritone.com ; 'Santos Joe'
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Forest Park Action: Oppose Fish

Whoops - I think I posted a reply to the whole list. Dang. Just figuring
it out.

-----Original Message-----
From: rondot@spiritone.com [mailto:rondot@spiritone.com]
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 9:48 PM
To: Santos Joe; Frank Selker
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Forest Park Action: Oppose Fish

Not saying I have a big need to see both of them at members of the City
Council, but where they stand on issues OTHER that single-track for us
bikers in Forest Park might make me consider support for one or both of
them. Or I might not vote for either. I urge people on this list to NOT
let one issue be the reason they vote for someone......but that is just my
opinion and I only have one vote. There are things more important than my
need for what I would like (like single-track in FP).
Just imagine yourself on the Portland City Council. Piece of cake right?

ron

-----Original Message-----
From: Santos Joe
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 8:06 PM
To: Frank Selker
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Forest Park Action: Oppose Fish

Amanda Fritz opposes MTB trails in FP as well. I don't know her opponents
views on the matter, not exactly a high priority issue in the political
realm.

On May 4, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Frank Selker wrote:

> I suggest voting against Nick Fish, and supporting his opponent,
> unless he makes progress toward single track in FP.
>
> He ignored the recommendation of the public committee he formed to
> create single track.
>
> He ignored over 1,000 Portlanders who responded to a poll, with a
> majority favoring more MTB in FP.
>
> He ignored over 350 letters he got from cyclists supporting more
> access - far more than letters opposing it.
>
> He threw us under the bus because the City Club said no -- the Chair
> of the City Club committee said "Cyclists have too much clout in city
hall."
> So Nick put him on the Parks budget committee.
>
> Evidence to date: Nick Fish doesn't work for us. He works for the
> rhymes-with-city club.
>
> He wants to throw a bone with Gateway Green - a vacant lot surrounded
> by freeways. Hikers wouldn't take that trade, nor would I.
>
> My 2 cents.
>
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rondot@spiritone.com

Frank this idea of bike related businesses letting the "entire City Council"
know they support the single-track in FP would be very positive.....if said
business owners felt the need to do so I bet it might help the cause. It
seems that along with NWTA / IMBA pressure would be good. I understand the
feeling of wanting to vote for a person or measure because of what he/she/it
stands for or against....and have done so, but still hold to trying to vote
for what I feel is best overall. I do listen to others and even seek their
advice. I just recently spoke with someone most of the people who visit
obra chat know or know (no name, but you would not think of him as a racer
first) regarding his feeling about mayor choices. He (the youngster that he
is) did influence me and made me see somewhat differently. I may vote for a
mayoral candidate that some may not vote for, but for now feel like we need
some honesty. I listen you you Frank. You have my respect in many ways.
ron

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Selker
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 10:02 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Forest Park Action: Oppose Fish

Ron,

True, but there can also be a time to be a single-issue voter.

If a group dedicates their votes to a particular issue for a time, that can
lead to a solution for something that would never otherwise be on the radar.
That can be more valuable than allowing minor issues to remain minor
indefinitely.

I think bike businesses are key - would be great to get a group of them
vocally behind this.

Frank
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Frank Selker

Whoops - I think I posted a reply to the whole list. Dang. Just figuring
it out.

-----Original Message-----
From: rondot@spiritone.com [mailto:rondot@spiritone.com]
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 9:48 PM
To: Santos Joe; Frank Selker
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Forest Park Action: Oppose Fish

Not saying I have a big need to see both of them at members of the City
Council, but where they stand on issues OTHER that single-track for us
bikers in Forest Park might make me consider support for one or both of
them. Or I might not vote for either. I urge people on this list to NOT
let one issue be the reason they vote for someone......but that is just my
opinion and I only have one vote. There are things more important than my
need for what I would like (like single-track in FP).
Just imagine yourself on the Portland City Council. Piece of cake right?

ron

-----Original Message-----
From: Santos Joe
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 8:06 PM
To: Frank Selker
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Forest Park Action: Oppose Fish

Amanda Fritz opposes MTB trails in FP as well. I don't know her opponents
views on the matter, not exactly a high priority issue in the political
realm.

On May 4, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Frank Selker wrote:

> I suggest voting against Nick Fish, and supporting his opponent,
> unless he makes progress toward single track in FP.
>
> He ignored the recommendation of the public committee he formed to
> create single track.
>
> He ignored over 1,000 Portlanders who responded to a poll, with a
> majority favoring more MTB in FP.
>
> He ignored over 350 letters he got from cyclists supporting more
> access - far more than letters opposing it.
>
> He threw us under the bus because the City Club said no -- the Chair
> of the City Club committee said "Cyclists have too much clout in city
hall."
> So Nick put him on the Parks budget committee.
>
> Evidence to date: Nick Fish doesn't work for us. He works for the
> rhymes-with-city club.
>
> He wants to throw a bone with Gateway Green - a vacant lot surrounded
> by freeways. Hikers wouldn't take that trade, nor would I.
>
> My 2 cents.
>
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org

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Phreadi

The beauty of our democratic system is that anyone can vote for any reason
they see fit, regardless of what others try to urge you to do.

-Fred

On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 9:47 PM, wrote:

> Not saying I have a big need to see both of them at members of the City
> Council, but where they stand on issues OTHER that single-track for us
> bikers in Forest Park might make me consider support for one or both of
> them. Or I might not vote for either. I urge people on this list to NOT
> let one issue be the reason they vote for someone......but that is just my
> opinion and I only have one vote. There are things more important than my
> need for what I would like (like single-track in FP).
> Just imagine yourself on the Portland City Council. Piece of cake right?
>
> ron
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Santos Joe
> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 8:06 PM
> To: Frank Selker
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Forest Park Action: Oppose Fish
>
>
> Amanda Fritz opposes MTB trails in FP as well. I don't know her opponents
> views on the matter, not exactly a high priority issue in the political
> realm.
>
>
> On May 4, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Frank Selker wrote:
>
> I suggest voting against Nick Fish, and supporting his opponent, unless
>> he makes progress toward single track in FP.
>>
>> He ignored the recommendation of the public committee he formed to create
>> single track.
>>
>> He ignored over 1,000 Portlanders who responded to a poll, with a
>> majority favoring more MTB in FP.
>>
>> He ignored over 350 letters he got from cyclists supporting more access -
>> far more than letters opposing it.
>>
>> He threw us under the bus because the City Club said no -- the Chair of
>> the City Club committee said "Cyclists have too much clout in city hall."
>> So Nick put him on the Parks budget committee.
>>
>> Evidence to date: Nick Fish doesn't work for us. He works for the
>> rhymes-with-city club.
>>
>> He wants to throw a bone with Gateway Green - a vacant lot surrounded by
>> freeways. Hikers wouldn't take that trade, nor would I.
>>
>> My 2 cents.
>>
>> ______________________________**_________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/**listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>>
>
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Frank Selker

Ron,

True, but there can also be a time to be a single-issue voter.

If a group dedicates their votes to a particular issue for a time, that can lead to a solution for something that would never otherwise be on the radar. That can be more valuable than allowing minor issues to remain minor indefinitely.

I think bike businesses are key - would be great to get a group of them vocally behind this.

Frank

rondot@spiritone.com

Not saying I have a big need to see both of them at members of the City
Council, but where they stand on issues OTHER that single-track for us
bikers in Forest Park might make me consider support for one or both of
them. Or I might not vote for either. I urge people on this list to NOT
let one issue be the reason they vote for someone......but that is just my
opinion and I only have one vote. There are things more important than my
need for what I would like (like single-track in FP).
Just imagine yourself on the Portland City Council. Piece of cake right?

ron

-----Original Message-----
From: Santos Joe
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 8:06 PM
To: Frank Selker
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Forest Park Action: Oppose Fish

Amanda Fritz opposes MTB trails in FP as well. I don't know her opponents
views on the matter, not exactly a high priority issue in the political
realm.

On May 4, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Frank Selker wrote:

> I suggest voting against Nick Fish, and supporting his opponent, unless he
> makes progress toward single track in FP.
>
> He ignored the recommendation of the public committee he formed to create
> single track.
>
> He ignored over 1,000 Portlanders who responded to a poll, with a majority
> favoring more MTB in FP.
>
> He ignored over 350 letters he got from cyclists supporting more access -
> far more than letters opposing it.
>
> He threw us under the bus because the City Club said no -- the Chair of
> the City Club committee said "Cyclists have too much clout in city hall."
> So Nick put him on the Parks budget committee.
>
> Evidence to date: Nick Fish doesn't work for us. He works for the
> rhymes-with-city club.
>
> He wants to throw a bone with Gateway Green - a vacant lot surrounded by
> freeways. Hikers wouldn't take that trade, nor would I.
>
> My 2 cents.
>
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org

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Santos Joe

Amanda Fritz opposes MTB trails in FP as well. I don't know her opponents views on the matter, not exactly a high priority issue in the political realm.

On May 4, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Frank Selker wrote:

> I suggest voting against Nick Fish, and supporting his opponent, unless he makes progress toward single track in FP.
>
> He ignored the recommendation of the public committee he formed to create single track.
>
> He ignored over 1,000 Portlanders who responded to a poll, with a majority favoring more MTB in FP.
>
> He ignored over 350 letters he got from cyclists supporting more access - far more than letters opposing it.
>
> He threw us under the bus because the City Club said no -- the Chair of the City Club committee said "Cyclists have too much clout in city hall." So Nick put him on the Parks budget committee.
>
> Evidence to date: Nick Fish doesn't work for us. He works for the rhymes-with-city club.
>
> He wants to throw a bone with Gateway Green - a vacant lot surrounded by freeways. Hikers wouldn't take that trade, nor would I.
>
> My 2 cents.
>
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
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Frank Selker

I suggest voting against Nick Fish, and supporting his opponent, unless he makes progress toward single track in FP.

He ignored the recommendation of the public committee he formed to create single track.

He ignored over 1,000 Portlanders who responded to a poll, with a majority favoring more MTB in FP.

He ignored over 350 letters he got from cyclists supporting more access - far more than letters opposing it.

He threw us under the bus because the City Club said no -- the Chair of the City Club committee said "Cyclists have too much clout in city hall." So Nick put him on the Parks budget committee.

Evidence to date: Nick Fish doesn't work for us. He works for the rhymes-with-city club.

He wants to throw a bone with Gateway Green - a vacant lot surrounded by freeways. Hikers wouldn't take that trade, nor would I.

My 2 cents.