Mike Murray

We used to mix masters (then veterans) with women or juniors all the time. Back then veterans meant 40+. There were lots of differences from now though. First, OBRA had less that 100 total juniors and women (all categories) put together. There were also few 40+ riders and they were all slow.

60+ men and women (all ages)might work now to create a larger but still competitive field but I suspect that it would not meet the desires for either group and would not increase their participation.
Mike Murray
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Eric"
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Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 21:21:26
To: 'Steve Scarich';
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Women's Cat 1/2/3 Racing

Encino Velodrome used to do something like that. For the most part, it
worked well. The potential problem is when riders are mixed with major size
differences, such as a large Master with a woman who could be less than half
the weight.

== Eric

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Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:51 AM
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Subject: [OBRA Chat] Women's Cat 1/2/3 Racing

What many are missing (or just not saying) is that this is not a new issue.
In fact, it has existed all the time that I have ridden bikes, over 30
years. It waxes and wanes, but there has never been a sustained period of
large women's fields. I have a question: How would women, and old guys,
feel about racing together? Maybe combine the Cat 1/2/3 women with Cat
1/2/3 60+ (or 50+ non-world champions) men? Both groups lack excess
testosterone so would not be too aggressive, both can handle their bikes
pretty well, and I suspect they would be reasonably competitive. I expect I
will rattle a lot of cages with this suggestion, but what do you think?

Steve Scarich
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Kristina Lackner

Thank you Heather and I agree with you!

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From: Steve Scarich
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Sent: Saturday, May 5, 2012 9:51 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Women's Cat 1/2/3 Racing

What many are missing (or just not saying) is that this is not a new issue.

Leia Tyrrell

I think it would maybe be more reasonable to sometimes combine the 1/2
woman with the master's men and give the woman's 3 their own field.
This might actually be kind of nice in a way when there really are too
few woman's 1/2 to make a real field. I know I enjoy races more when
there are tactics and teamwork involved in the race =)
This way the intermediate woman's field has a chance to ride with
people of their own speed and not feel too threatened to race.

Happy riding =)

- Leia

On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Heather VanValkenburg
wrote:
> NO.
> No, No, No.
> That is all.
>
>
> On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Eric wrote:
>>
>> Encino Velodrome used to do something like that.

Heather VanValkenburg

NO.
No, No, No.
That is all.

On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Eric wrote:

> Encino Velodrome used to do something like that. For the most part, it
> worked well. The potential problem is when riders are mixed with major
> size
> differences, such as a large Master with a woman who could be less than
> half
> the weight.
>
> == Eric
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Steve Scarich
> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:51 AM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Women's Cat 1/2/3 Racing
>
> What many are missing (or just not saying) is that this is not a new issue.
> In fact, it has existed all the time that I have ridden bikes, over 30
> years. It waxes and wanes, but there has never been a sustained period of
> large women's fields. I have a question: How would women, and old guys,
> feel about racing together? Maybe combine the Cat 1/2/3 women with Cat
> 1/2/3 60+ (or 50+ non-world champions) men? Both groups lack excess
> testosterone so would not be too aggressive, both can handle their bikes
> pretty well, and I suspect they would be reasonably competitive. I expect
> I
> will rattle a lot of cages with this suggestion, but what do you think?
>
> Steve Scarich
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Eric

Encino Velodrome used to do something like that. For the most part, it
worked well. The potential problem is when riders are mixed with major size
differences, such as a large Master with a woman who could be less than half
the weight.

== Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Scarich
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:51 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Women's Cat 1/2/3 Racing

What many are missing (or just not saying) is that this is not a new issue.
In fact, it has existed all the time that I have ridden bikes, over 30
years. It waxes and wanes, but there has never been a sustained period of
large women's fields. I have a question: How would women, and old guys,
feel about racing together? Maybe combine the Cat 1/2/3 women with Cat
1/2/3 60+ (or 50+ non-world champions) men? Both groups lack excess
testosterone so would not be too aggressive, both can handle their bikes
pretty well, and I suspect they would be reasonably competitive. I expect I
will rattle a lot of cages with this suggestion, but what do you think?

Steve Scarich
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Steve Scarich

What many are missing (or just not saying) is that this is not a new issue. In fact, it has existed all the time that I have ridden bikes, over 30 years. It waxes and wanes, but there has never been a sustained period of large women's fields. I have a question: How would women, and old guys, feel about racing together? Maybe combine the Cat 1/2/3 women with Cat 1/2/3 60+ (or 50+ non-world champions) men? Both groups lack excess testosterone so would not be too aggressive, both can handle their bikes pretty well, and I suspect they would be reasonably competitive. I expect I will rattle a lot of cages with this suggestion, but what do you think?

Steve Scarich