jaime menagh

Buy renter's Insurance if you do not own a home, you can also buy it if you are in a dorm.

adam holt

Apparently you can tell from Strava! Good lord I'm getting paranoid now!

Sent from my iPhone

On May 10, 2012, at 7:40 PM, "eric aldinger" wrote:

> Where does Matt Savage live?
>
> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 10:08 AM, matt Savage wrote:
> Yeah, good point... I see lots of rides on strava that literally start in peoples driveways or garage. They have a feature in the settings of strava to start the recorded track a specified distance from the actual starting location.
>
> I should probably remove my "bike porn" album from Facebook, even though there's nothing really that amazing in there. And quit mentioning the amazing bike shop I'm building in my basement...
>
> -matt
>
>
> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Dan H wrote:
> Meet potential buyers at Starbucks or the LBS. Not at your house.
> Don't post rides from map my ride or strava that start at your address.
>
> Dan Houghton
> Southwest Bicycle, LLC
> 3605 SW Multnomah Blvd
> 503-246-0333
> www.swbicycle.com
>
> On May 10, 2012, at 7:52 AM, Ron Magnus wrote:
>
> > Probably not here.....yet....but something to keep in mind.
> >
> > http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/08/local/la-me-expensive-bikes-20120509
> >
> >
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eric aldinger

Where does Matt Savage live?

On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 10:08 AM, matt Savage wrote:

> Yeah, good point... I see lots of rides on strava that literally start in
> peoples driveways or garage. They have a feature in the settings of strava
> to start the recorded track a specified distance from the actual starting
> location.
>
> I should probably remove my "bike porn" album from Facebook, even though
> there's nothing really that amazing in there. And quit mentioning the
> amazing bike shop I'm building in my basement...
>
> -matt
>
>
> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Dan H wrote:
>
>> Meet potential buyers at Starbucks or the LBS. Not at your house.
>> Don't post rides from map my ride or strava that start at your address.
>>
>> Dan Houghton
>> Southwest Bicycle, LLC
>> 3605 SW Multnomah Blvd
>> 503-246-0333
>> www.swbicycle.com
>>
>> On May 10, 2012, at 7:52 AM, Ron Magnus wrote:
>>
>> > Probably not here.....yet....but something to keep in mind.
>> >
>> >
>> http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/08/local/la-me-expensive-bikes-20120509
>> >
>> >
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Rick Johnson

Just be glad you don't live in a place like Slidell, LA. Whenever I hit
the truck stop there I felt like I was dragging a pallet of steak
through a pack of feral dogs.

"With a crime rate of 61 per one thousand residents, Slidell has one of
the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all
sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities. One's chance
of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime here is one in
16. Within Louisiana, more than 89% of the communities have a lower
crime rate than Slidell."

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/la/slidell/crime/

Rick Johnson
Bend, Oregon

Every revolutionary idea seems to evoke three stages of reaction...
One, it's completely impossible.
Two, it's possible, but it's not worth doing.
Three, I said it was a good idea all along.

Arthur C. Clarke

On 5/10/2012 1:39 PM, joec@aracnet.com wrote:
> Sh***... Hope I can find the key to unlock my bike towers.
>
> I guess the only reasonable solution is a SUV w/tow-hitch and a trailer
> that you can secure your leg-bling with and roll into your garage.
>
> Effing thieves...
>
> On Thu, 10 May 2012 13:19:07 -0700, Rick Johnson
> wrote:
>> My cars are usually secured in the garage and stickers only belong on
>> the 'fridge or toolbox.
>> ;-)
>>
>> I know it might seem paranoid to some. But in the past I've been
>> responsible for transporting high value cargo all over the US and
>> Europe so it's a habit. Remember hearing about bicycle racing teams
>> having all their stuff stolen from the hotel parking lot? The racing
>> assets I transported for motorsports were well in excess of 10x more
>> valuable. And because our sponsorship was likewise plastered all over
>> the rigs it was very high profile. As a practical matter while in
>> transit the vehicles never left our sight and we slept in them until
>> we arrived at our secured destination.
>> So, it's hard for me not to "think security" even though I live
>> somewhere pretty safe and carry stuff worth much less these days.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> Rick Johnson
>> Bend, Oregon
>>
>> Every revolutionary idea seems to evoke three stages of reaction...
>> One, it's completely impossible.
>> Two, it's possible, but it's not worth doing.
>> Three, I said it was a good idea all along.
>>
>> Arthur C. Clarke
>>
>>
>> On 5/10/2012 1:00 PM, rondot@spiritone.com wrote:
>>> If you want to take theft paranoia one step further............How> about that bike rack on top of the car sitting in your driveway or in> front of your house, with or without bikes?
>>> ron
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Dan H
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 10:53 AM
>>> To: Rick Johnson
>>> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Thefts
>>>
>>> OBRA or NRA decal on your car is also a sign of where to to steal stuff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 10, 2012, at 10:47 AM, Rick Johnson > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Unfortunately organized theft probably is here. The thing is>> organized crime is only confirmed when it's discovered. So, that it>> is yet to be discovered does not mean it doesn't exist, just that no>> one has looked hard enough to find it.
>>>>
>>>> A lot of the theft prevention measures are common sense if one is>> security minded. Would go online and show off your wife's jewelry? Or>> how about bragging to strangers about your antique gun collection?>> Probably not. So why show off your expensive bikes unnecessarily? And>> providing a map to your house for strangers is simply crazy in this>> day and age.
>>>>
>>>> Personally I don't even like driving around with my bikes on the roof>> rack. It's like an invitation to follow me home and see what other>> valuables I might have around (there are none really, all you>> strangers!).
>>>> I mean how easy is it to follow someone with bikes carried high like>> that? Might as well be flying a "follow me!" flag.
>>>>
>>>> Yea, now you're thinking aren't you?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rick Johnson
>>>> Bend Oregon
>>>>
>>>> * * *
>>>>
>>>> This news has been sanitized for your preconceptions
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/10/2012 7:52 AM, Ron Magnus wrote:
>>>>> Probably not here.....yet....but something to keep in mind.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/08/local/la-me-expensive-bikes-20120509>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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joec@aracnet.com

Sh***... Hope I can find the key to unlock my bike towers.

I guess the only reasonable solution is a SUV w/tow-hitch and a trailer
that you can secure your leg-bling with and roll into your garage.

Effing thieves...

On Thu, 10 May 2012 13:19:07 -0700, Rick Johnson
wrote:
> My cars are usually secured in the garage and stickers only belong on
> the 'fridge or toolbox.
> ;-)
>
> I know it might seem paranoid to some. But in the past I've been
> responsible for transporting high value cargo all over the US and
> Europe so it's a habit. Remember hearing about bicycle racing teams
> having all their stuff stolen from the hotel parking lot? The racing
> assets I transported for motorsports were well in excess of 10x more
> valuable. And because our sponsorship was likewise plastered all over
> the rigs it was very high profile. As a practical matter while in
> transit the vehicles never left our sight and we slept in them until
> we arrived at our secured destination.
> So, it's hard for me not to "think security" even though I live
> somewhere pretty safe and carry stuff worth much less these days.
>
> Rick
>
> Rick Johnson
> Bend, Oregon
>
> Every revolutionary idea seems to evoke three stages of reaction...
> One, it's completely impossible.
> Two, it's possible, but it's not worth doing.
> Three, I said it was a good idea all along.
>
> Arthur C. Clarke
>
>
> On 5/10/2012 1:00 PM, rondot@spiritone.com wrote:
>> If you want to take theft paranoia one step further............How > about that bike rack on top of the car sitting in your driveway or in > front of your house, with or without bikes?
>> ron
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Dan H
>> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 10:53 AM
>> To: Rick Johnson
>> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Thefts
>>
>> OBRA or NRA decal on your car is also a sign of where to to steal stuff
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 10, 2012, at 10:47 AM, Rick Johnson > wrote:
>>
>>> Unfortunately organized theft probably is here. The thing is >> organized crime is only confirmed when it's discovered. So, that it >> is yet to be discovered does not mean it doesn't exist, just that no >> one has looked hard enough to find it.
>>>
>>> A lot of the theft prevention measures are common sense if one is >> security minded. Would go online and show off your wife's jewelry? Or >> how about bragging to strangers about your antique gun collection? >> Probably not. So why show off your expensive bikes unnecessarily? And >> providing a map to your house for strangers is simply crazy in this >> day and age.
>>>
>>> Personally I don't even like driving around with my bikes on the roof >> rack. It's like an invitation to follow me home and see what other >> valuables I might have around (there are none really, all you >> strangers!).
>>> I mean how easy is it to follow someone with bikes carried high like >> that? Might as well be flying a "follow me!" flag.
>>>
>>> Yea, now you're thinking aren't you?
>>>
>>>
>>> Rick Johnson
>>> Bend Oregon
>>>
>>> * * *
>>>
>>> This news has been sanitized for your preconceptions
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/10/2012 7:52 AM, Ron Magnus wrote:
>>>> Probably not here.....yet....but something to keep in mind.
>>>>
>>>> http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/08/local/la-me-expensive-bikes-20120509 >>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> OBRA mailing list
>>>> obra@list.obra.org
>>>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>>>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
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>>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
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Rick Johnson

My cars are usually secured in the garage and stickers only belong on
the 'fridge or toolbox.
;-)

I know it might seem paranoid to some. But in the past I've been
responsible for transporting high value cargo all over the US and Europe
so it's a habit. Remember hearing about bicycle racing teams having all
their stuff stolen from the hotel parking lot? The racing assets I
transported for motorsports were well in excess of 10x more valuable.
And because our sponsorship was likewise plastered all over the rigs it
was very high profile. As a practical matter while in transit the
vehicles never left our sight and we slept in them until we arrived at
our secured destination.
So, it's hard for me not to "think security" even though I live
somewhere pretty safe and carry stuff worth much less these days.

Rick

Rick Johnson
Bend, Oregon

Every revolutionary idea seems to evoke three stages of reaction...
One, it's completely impossible.
Two, it's possible, but it's not worth doing.
Three, I said it was a good idea all along.

Arthur C. Clarke

On 5/10/2012 1:00 PM, rondot@spiritone.com wrote:
> If you want to take theft paranoia one step further............How
> about that bike rack on top of the car sitting in your driveway or in
> front of your house, with or without bikes?
> ron
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Dan H
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 10:53 AM
> To: Rick Johnson
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Thefts
>
> OBRA or NRA decal on your car is also a sign of where to to steal stuff
>
>
>
> On May 10, 2012, at 10:47 AM, Rick Johnson
> wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately organized theft probably is here. The thing is
>> organized crime is only confirmed when it's discovered. So, that it
>> is yet to be discovered does not mean it doesn't exist, just that no
>> one has looked hard enough to find it.
>>
>> A lot of the theft prevention measures are common sense if one is
>> security minded. Would go online and show off your wife's jewelry? Or
>> how about bragging to strangers about your antique gun collection?
>> Probably not. So why show off your expensive bikes unnecessarily? And
>> providing a map to your house for strangers is simply crazy in this
>> day and age.
>>
>> Personally I don't even like driving around with my bikes on the roof
>> rack. It's like an invitation to follow me home and see what other
>> valuables I might have around (there are none really, all you
>> strangers!).
>> I mean how easy is it to follow someone with bikes carried high like
>> that? Might as well be flying a "follow me!" flag.
>>
>> Yea, now you're thinking aren't you?
>>
>>
>> Rick Johnson
>> Bend Oregon
>>
>> * * *
>>
>> This news has been sanitized for your preconceptions
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/10/2012 7:52 AM, Ron Magnus wrote:
>>> Probably not here.....yet....but something to keep in mind.
>>>
>>> http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/08/local/la-me-expensive-bikes-20120509
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> OBRA mailing list
>>> obra@list.obra.org
>>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> _______________________________________________
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>

rondot@spiritone.com

If you want to take theft paranoia one step further............How about
that bike rack on top of the car sitting in your driveway or in front of
your house, with or without bikes?
ron

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan H
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 10:53 AM
To: Rick Johnson
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Thefts

OBRA or NRA decal on your car is also a sign of where to to steal stuff

On May 10, 2012, at 10:47 AM, Rick Johnson wrote:

> Unfortunately organized theft probably is here. The thing is organized
> crime is only confirmed when it's discovered. So, that it is yet to be
> discovered does not mean it doesn't exist, just that no one has looked
> hard enough to find it.
>
> A lot of the theft prevention measures are common sense if one is security
> minded. Would go online and show off your wife's jewelry? Or how about
> bragging to strangers about your antique gun collection? Probably not. So
> why show off your expensive bikes unnecessarily? And providing a map to
> your house for strangers is simply crazy in this day and age.
>
> Personally I don't even like driving around with my bikes on the roof
> rack. It's like an invitation to follow me home and see what other
> valuables I might have around (there are none really, all you strangers!).
> I mean how easy is it to follow someone with bikes carried high like that?
> Might as well be flying a "follow me!" flag.
>
> Yea, now you're thinking aren't you?
>
>
> Rick Johnson
> Bend Oregon
>
> * * *
>
> This news has been sanitized for your preconceptions
>
>
>
> On 5/10/2012 7:52 AM, Ron Magnus wrote:
>> Probably not here.....yet....but something to keep in mind.
>>
>> http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/08/local/la-me-expensive-bikes-20120509
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> _______________________________________________
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Dan H

OBRA or NRA decal on your car is also a sign of where to to steal stuff

On May 10, 2012, at 10:47 AM, Rick Johnson wrote:

> Unfortunately organized theft probably is here. The thing is organized crime is only confirmed when it's discovered. So, that it is yet to be discovered does not mean it doesn't exist, just that no one has looked hard enough to find it.
>
> A lot of the theft prevention measures are common sense if one is security minded. Would go online and show off your wife's jewelry? Or how about bragging to strangers about your antique gun collection? Probably not. So why show off your expensive bikes unnecessarily? And providing a map to your house for strangers is simply crazy in this day and age.
>
> Personally I don't even like driving around with my bikes on the roof rack. It's like an invitation to follow me home and see what other valuables I might have around (there are none really, all you strangers!).
> I mean how easy is it to follow someone with bikes carried high like that? Might as well be flying a "follow me!" flag.
>
> Yea, now you're thinking aren't you?
>
>
> Rick Johnson
> Bend Oregon
>
> * * *
>
> This news has been sanitized for your preconceptions
>
>
>
> On 5/10/2012 7:52 AM, Ron Magnus wrote:
>> Probably not here.....yet....but something to keep in mind.
>>
>> http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/08/local/la-me-expensive-bikes-20120509
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org

Rick Johnson

Unfortunately organized theft probably is here. The thing is organized
crime is only confirmed when it's discovered. So, that it is yet to be
discovered does not mean it doesn't exist, just that no one has looked
hard enough to find it.

A lot of the theft prevention measures are common sense if one is
security minded. Would go online and show off your wife's jewelry? Or
how about bragging to strangers about your antique gun collection?
Probably not. So why show off your expensive bikes unnecessarily? And
providing a map to your house for strangers is simply crazy in this day
and age.

Personally I don't even like driving around with my bikes on the roof
rack. It's like an invitation to follow me home and see what other
valuables I might have around (there are none really, all you strangers!).
I mean how easy is it to follow someone with bikes carried high like
that? Might as well be flying a "follow me!" flag.

Yea, now you're thinking aren't you?

Rick Johnson
Bend Oregon

* * *

This news has been sanitized for your preconceptions

On 5/10/2012 7:52 AM, Ron Magnus wrote:
> Probably not here.....yet....but something to keep in mind.
>
> http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/08/local/la-me-expensive-bikes-20120509
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org

matt Savage

Yeah, good point... I see lots of rides on strava that literally start in
peoples driveways or garage. They have a feature in the settings of strava
to start the recorded track a specified distance from the actual starting
location.

I should probably remove my "bike porn" album from Facebook, even though
there's nothing really that amazing in there. And quit mentioning the
amazing bike shop I'm building in my basement...

-matt

On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Dan H wrote:

> Meet potential buyers at Starbucks or the LBS. Not at your house.
> Don't post rides from map my ride or strava that start at your address.
>
> Dan Houghton
> Southwest Bicycle, LLC
> 3605 SW Multnomah Blvd
> 503-246-0333
> www.swbicycle.com
>
> On May 10, 2012, at 7:52 AM, Ron Magnus wrote:
>
> > Probably not here.....yet....but something to keep in mind.
> >
> >
> http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/08/local/la-me-expensive-bikes-20120509
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
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>

Dan H

Meet potential buyers at Starbucks or the LBS. Not at your house.
Don't post rides from map my ride or strava that start at your address.

Dan Houghton
Southwest Bicycle, LLC
3605 SW Multnomah Blvd
503-246-0333
www.swbicycle.com

On May 10, 2012, at 7:52 AM, Ron Magnus wrote:

> Probably not here.....yet....but something to keep in mind.
>
> http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/08/local/la-me-expensive-bikes-20120509
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Ron Magnus

Probably not here.....yet....but something to keep in mind.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/08/local/la-me-expensive-bikes-20120509