dirtydown

Thanks Ron. That is why I threw it out as a question. I was thinking just some simple verbal instruction while riding around. I didn't know the details of the permit. But I am respectful of traffic laws before 600. I figured there are probably a few employees of the local companies that don't like the races. Most definitely the guy that saw the whole Cat 4/5 field coming around the corner straight at his car.

PS. Do you think the people at Harvest House have a problem with me completely stripping down to change? I don't do it on their "Private" grass. I do it on the sidewalk. :)
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Frerichs
To: gjshep@gmail.com ; jeffhamlin2@gmail.com
Cc: obra@list.obra.org ; dirtydown@clearwire.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:29 PM
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Twilight Crit - racing clinic?

I support the idea of teaching/helping new racers get comfortable. I'm not trying to discourage that. BUT...

Just keep in mind that there are some folks at the local businesses that already don't appreciate our presence a whole lot. Also, the course is open to traffic until the cones are set up (which is usually 6pm or later), and you would likely see many more cars out there at 5:15pm than you're used to at closer to 6:00pm.

I think either Sal's permit or agreements with the tenants specify a time that he can set up. It could create some conflicts if we have packs of riders circling the course (and probably running stop signs) an hour before racing starts.

Ron

> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:09:44 -0700
> From: gjshep@gmail.com
> To: jeffhamlin2@gmail.com
> CC: obra@list.obra.org; dirtydown@clearwire.net
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Twilight Crit - racing clinic?
>
> A few years back we had a Absolute Beginner field on Monday. That was
> a great chance to do just as you say - provide newbie instruction. We
> had first time adults and juniors out there, along with more seasoned
> riders who were identified to the rest of the field and so had some
> authority to provide instruction and corrections during the race.
> Maybe we can do the same for few laps before the 4/5s on Tuesday.
>
> Greg
>
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Jeff Hamlin wrote:
> > Not a bad idea, Nick. I would support it. I couldn't make it last
> > night but heard about the crash on the final lap. Yeah, I see a few
> > people weaving and not holding their lines in the corners which makes
> > me a little nervous. Breaking a clavicle would be bad enough but the
> > thought of screwing up my bike is almost unbearable! I wish the 4/5's
> > could race more smoothly like the 1/2/3's (but then again, that's why
> > their 1/2/3's). Thanks for mentioning it. I'll keep a wary eye out
> > for the Ultra dude.
> >
> > On 6/27/12, Nick Glazener wrote:
> >> Is anyone else open to helping new racers learn a few things before the
> >> Crash 4/5 race? Let's say from 530 - 545. I am far from being an expert.
> >> But I know enough to stay safe and corner smoothly. I wish I knew enough to
> >> finish strong. A new rider came out last night just to watch before he
> >> comes next week. I gave him a few words of encouragement but I realized as
> >> I was warming up, I am more than willing to help someone get started with a
> >> few tips. It is very apparent quite a few riders need some additional
> >> instructions.
> >>
> >> Some of the problems are from nervous riders over-reacting to small
> >> movements and half-wheeling. But there are some more experienced racers
> >> still diving into the corners from the outside of the pack.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, there not much we can do about that guy that makes an overly
> >> aggressive move on the last lap and stacks up the field and then says,
> >> "that's just racing." The beer prize wasn't even his brand based on his
> >> Michelob Ultra jersey. Oops, I might have said too much.
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Ron Frerichs

I support the idea of teaching/helping new racers get comfortable. I'm not trying to discourage that. BUT...

Just keep in mind that there are some folks at the local businesses that already don't appreciate our presence a whole lot. Also, the course is open to traffic until the cones are set up (which is usually 6pm or later), and you would likely see many more cars out there at 5:15pm than you're used to at closer to 6:00pm.

I think either Sal's permit or agreements with the tenants specify a time that he can set up. It could create some conflicts if we have packs of riders circling the course (and probably running stop signs) an hour before racing starts.

Ron

> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:09:44 -0700
> From: gjshep@gmail.com
> To: jeffhamlin2@gmail.com
> CC: obra@list.obra.org; dirtydown@clearwire.net
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Twilight Crit - racing clinic?
>
> A few years back we had a Absolute Beginner field on Monday. That was
> a great chance to do just as you say - provide newbie instruction. We
> had first time adults and juniors out there, along with more seasoned
> riders who were identified to the rest of the field and so had some
> authority to provide instruction and corrections during the race.
> Maybe we can do the same for few laps before the 4/5s on Tuesday.
>
> Greg
>
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Jeff Hamlin wrote:
> > Not a bad idea, Nick. I would support it. I couldn't make it last
> > night but heard about the crash on the final lap. Yeah, I see a few
> > people weaving and not holding their lines in the corners which makes
> > me a little nervous. Breaking a clavicle would be bad enough but the
> > thought of screwing up my bike is almost unbearable! I wish the 4/5's
> > could race more smoothly like the 1/2/3's (but then again, that's why
> > their 1/2/3's). Thanks for mentioning it. I'll keep a wary eye out
> > for the Ultra dude.
> >
> > On 6/27/12, Nick Glazener wrote:
> >> Is anyone else open to helping new racers learn a few things before the
> >> Crash 4/5 race? Let's say from 530 - 545. I am far from being an expert.
> >> But I know enough to stay safe and corner smoothly. I wish I knew enough to
> >> finish strong. A new rider came out last night just to watch before he
> >> comes next week. I gave him a few words of encouragement but I realized as
> >> I was warming up, I am more than willing to help someone get started with a
> >> few tips. It is very apparent quite a few riders need some additional
> >> instructions.
> >>
> >> Some of the problems are from nervous riders over-reacting to small
> >> movements and half-wheeling. But there are some more experienced racers
> >> still diving into the corners from the outside of the pack.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, there not much we can do about that guy that makes an overly
> >> aggressive move on the last lap and stacks up the field and then says,
> >> "that's just racing." The beer prize wasn't even his brand based on his
> >> Michelob Ultra jersey. Oops, I might have said too much.
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> OBRA mailing list
> >> obra@list.obra.org
> >> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> >> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >>
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Greg Shepherd

A few years back we had a Absolute Beginner field on Monday. That was
a great chance to do just as you say - provide newbie instruction. We
had first time adults and juniors out there, along with more seasoned
riders who were identified to the rest of the field and so had some
authority to provide instruction and corrections during the race.
Maybe we can do the same for few laps before the 4/5s on Tuesday.

Greg

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Jeff Hamlin wrote:
> Not a bad idea, Nick. I would support it.

Jeff Hamlin

Not a bad idea, Nick. I would support it. I couldn't make it last
night but heard about the crash on the final lap. Yeah, I see a few
people weaving and not holding their lines in the corners which makes
me a little nervous. Breaking a clavicle would be bad enough but the
thought of screwing up my bike is almost unbearable! I wish the 4/5's
could race more smoothly like the 1/2/3's (but then again, that's why
their 1/2/3's). Thanks for mentioning it. I'll keep a wary eye out
for the Ultra dude.

On 6/27/12, Nick Glazener wrote:
> Is anyone else open to helping new racers learn a few things before the
> Crash 4/5 race? Let's say from 530 - 545. I am far from being an expert.
> But I know enough to stay safe and corner smoothly. I wish I knew enough to
> finish strong. A new rider came out last night just to watch before he
> comes next week. I gave him a few words of encouragement but I realized as
> I was warming up, I am more than willing to help someone get started with a
> few tips. It is very apparent quite a few riders need some additional
> instructions.
>
> Some of the problems are from nervous riders over-reacting to small
> movements and half-wheeling. But there are some more experienced racers
> still diving into the corners from the outside of the pack.
>
> Unfortunately, there not much we can do about that guy that makes an overly
> aggressive move on the last lap and stacks up the field and then says,
> "that's just racing." The beer prize wasn't even his brand based on his
> Michelob Ultra jersey. Oops, I might have said too much.
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>

Nick Glazener

Is anyone else open to helping new racers learn a few things before the Crash 4/5 race? Let's say from 530 - 545. I am far from being an expert. But I know enough to stay safe and corner smoothly. I wish I knew enough to finish strong. A new rider came out last night just to watch before he comes next week. I gave him a few words of encouragement but I realized as I was warming up, I am more than willing to help someone get started with a few tips. It is very apparent quite a few riders need some additional instructions.

Some of the problems are from nervous riders over-reacting to small movements and half-wheeling. But there are some more experienced racers still diving into the corners from the outside of the pack.

Unfortunately, there not much we can do about that guy that makes an overly aggressive move on the last lap and stacks up the field and then says, "that's just racing." The beer prize wasn't even his brand based on his Michelob Ultra jersey. Oops, I might have said too much.