Helmets at Races

Jerald M Powell

2003-03-04

--============_-1165317487==_ma============

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"



Joe, David...



USCF advised it's officials a number of years ago (mid-eighty's

maybe?) to cease doing bike inspections out of the concern that an

official "passing" a bike was assuming some responsibility for the

bike's safety when in fact it's nearly impossible to guarantee that

safety. For the record, we checked tire glue jobs (the tire glue

often used then wasn't nearly as reliable as the glues in common use

now), brakes, headset and handlebars (tightness and plugged bar

ends). Race starts were sometimes delayed for adjustments or

tightening (loose handlebars were often a culprit) and there may have

been a rider pulled from the start from time to time. It may have

resulted in safer racing... but I doubt it was significant.



The later interpretation, and I believe the current one is that the

rider is responsible for his/her equipment, and if that equipment

fails in a way that a mishap is caused, that rider is culpable.



Jerry





At 9:49 AM -0800 03/04/03, Joe Zauner wrote:

 I'm all for bike inspections. I mean, all you're looking for are

glued tires (where applicable), true wheels, tire pressure and

brakes that engaged the rim before the levers hit the bars. Takes 30

seconds at registration.



Joe





From: David Auker <Dav-@Hevanet.Com>

Reply-To: Dav-@Hevanet.Com

Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 08:01:36 -0800

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Helmets at Races





Back when the vast majority of racers used sew-ups, an inspection was

usually done at criteriums to check how well the tires were glued on. It

was good for safety, as a rolled tire in a corner jeopardizes potentially

the whole pack ( I think there still may be a rule that a rolled tire

warrants a two-week suspension?). I remember one inspection done by a

totally hulky weight lifter dude...he probably could have easily said, "your

top tube seems to be loose..."



David



 4] I would like to see some kind of equipment inspection at registration.

When someone rides an unsafe bike, they put the whole pack at risk.





--

Jerry Powell

USAC Elite Cycling Coach

1445 SW Harrison Street

Portland Oregon, 97201

(503) 222-7173 (office)

(503) 699-0864 (home)

(503) 799-7823 (mobile)

jpow-@spiritone.com





--============_-1165317487==_ma============

Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"



<!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN">

<html><head><style type="text/css"><!--

blockquote, dl, ul, ol, li { padding-top: 0 ; padding-bottom: 0 }

--></style><title>Re: [OBRA Chat] Helmets at

Races</title></head><body>

<div>Joe, David...</div>

<div><br></div>

<div>USCF advised it's officials a number of years ago (mid-eighty's

maybe?) to cease doing bike inspections out of the concern that an

official "passing" a bike was assuming some responsibility

for the bike's safety when in fact it's nearly impossible to guarantee

that safety.  For the record, we checked tire glue jobs (the tire

glue often used then wasn't nearly as reliable as the glues in common

use now), brakes, headset and handlebars (tightness and plugged bar

ends). Race starts were sometimes delayed for adjustments or

tightening (loose handlebars were often a culprit) and there may have

been a rider pulled from the start from time to time.  It may

have resulted in safer racing... but I doubt it was significant.</div>

<div><br></div>

<div>The later interpretation, and I believe the current one is that

the rider is responsible for his/her equipment, and if that equipment

fails in a way that a mishap is caused, that rider is culpable.</div>

<div><br></div>

<div>Jerry</div>

<div><br></div>

<div><br></div>

<div>At 9:49 AM -0800 03/04/03, Joe Zauner wrote:</div>

<blockquote type="cite" cite>I'm all for bike inspections. I mean, all

you're looking for are glued tires (where applicable), true wheels,

tire pressure and brakes that engaged the rim before the levers hit

the bars. Takes 30 seconds at registration.</blockquote>

<blockquote type="cite" cite><br>

Joe<br>

<blockquote><br>

<b>From:</b> David Auker <Dav-@Hevanet.Com><br>

<b>Reply-To:</b> Dav-@Hevanet.Com<br>

<b>Date:</b> Tue, 4 Mar 2003 08:01:36 -0800<br>

<b>To:</b> ob-@topica.com<br>

<b>Subject:</b> RE: [OBRA Chat] Helmets at Races<br>

</blockquote>

</blockquote>

<blockquote type="cite" cite><br>

<blockquote>Back when the vast majority of racers used sew-ups, an

inspection was<br>

usually done at criteriums to check how well the tires were glued on.

 It<br>

was good for safety, as a rolled tire in a corner jeopardizes

potentially<br>

the whole pack ( I think there still may be a rule that a rolled

tire<br>

warrants a two-week suspension?).  I remember one inspection done

by a<br>

totally hulky weight lifter dude...he probably could have easily said,

"your<br>

top tube seems to be loose..."<br>

<br>

David<br>

<br>

 4] I would like to see some kind of equipment inspection at

registration.</blockquote>

<blockquote>> When someone rides an unsafe bike, they put the whole

pack at risk.</blockquote>

</blockquote>

<div><br></div>

<div><br></div>

<x-sigsep><pre>--

</pre></x-sigsep>

<div><font color="#000000">Jerry Powell</font></div>

<div><font size="-1" color="#000000"><i>USAC Elite Cycling

Coach</i></font></div>

<div><font color="#000000">1445 SW Harrison Street</font></div>

<div><font color="#000000">Portland Oregon, 97201</font></div>

<div><font color="#000000">(503) 222-7173  (office)</font></div>

<div><font color="#000000">(503) 699-0864  (home)</font></div>

<div><font color="#000000">(503) 799-7823  (mobile)</font></div>

<div><font color="#000000">jpow-@spiritone.com</font></div>







</body>

</html>

--============_-1165317487==_ma============--

Membership

2003-03-04

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.



------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C2E23F.090B55B0

Content-Type: text/plain;

charset="Windows-1252"

Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit



sorry, forgot my name was not part of the email address.



Sean Murray

----- Original Message -----

From: Jake Bigham

To: membe-@obra.org

Cc: OBRA

Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 9:55 PM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Helmets at Races





I agree but... who are you membership?

On Monday, March 3, 2003, at 07:29 PM, Membership wrote:





    ?



    I have been racing my bicycle since I was almost 10. Ever since I started I have worn a helmet, mostly because of the insistance of my parents. At the time I thought they were just being annoying, and like any rebellious kid I rode around wihtout my helmet whenever given a chance. I can remember a couple of times at the Best of the West junior stage race where I was relegated, disqualifed, penalized for riding without my helmet. Let me tell you, the first time you aren't allowed to start a race because you were riding around without your helmet will be the last time you forget it. At the time I thought they were being strict because we were juniors, kids that had to be taught. I feel like that lesson took in me, enough so that I get annoyed at races these days when I see people without their helmets.



    Now I see people at races riding around without helmets, and I think it is just because they are too lazy, or too stupid, to realize they need the extra protection. Even if you are just getting on your bike to ride over and register, a helmet needs to be on your head. Even if you just finished a long, hard race, a helmet still needs to be on your head. Mishaps happen all the time. (I remember a crit in North Portland, after a morning event at PIR, where on my way to the staging of my race I suddenly found myself on the ground. I even managed to taco my $150 dollar front wheel, all right on the street moving no faster than five or ten miles an hour.) Just because you are on you aren't 'racing' on your bicycle, does not mean you should ride without a helmet, especially at races.



    Despite the fact that it is for your protection, at races you are also setting an example. You may or may not notice all of the juniors riding around, or even be able to tell which Bosen child is which, but you should know that they are all looking up to us as racers. We are adults, so besides having to look up because they are short, the junior racers look up at the adult riders because they want to be racers like us. They want to be fast, they want to look cool on their bikes, and they will emulate us in every way. If they see riders coasting around without their helmets on, they will begin to question why they have to wear their helmets (and just so you know, the line 'Because I say so' only goes so far).



    Really I guess this is my way of asking racers to remember where they are. You are at a race, where not only are you an ambassador of bicycle racing in Oregon, you are also role model to the next generation of racers. Even if you feel like it is okay to risk your life riding around without a helmet on (because a crash even at slow speeds could kill you if you land wrong) know that you are setting a bad example in doing so. This isn't Europe, and I will continue to call people on riding without helmets.



     



    is an excerpt from the OBRA rulebook on helmets:



     



    9.1. - HELMETS



    Every rider warming up or racing while at the race venue shall wear a protective, securely fastened helmet that satisfies at least one of the following helmet standards:



    - US Department of Transportation (DOT)



    - American National Standards Institute (ANSI) Standard Z90.4



    - Snell Memorial Foundation Standard "B" or "N" series



    - American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM) standard F-1447



    - Canadian Standards Association standard (CSA) CAN/CSA-D113.2-M



    - US Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC)



    Riders shall show documentary proof of this, such as a manufacturer's label, upon request by race officials. It is the rider's responsibility to select and wear such a helmet that offers sufficient protection against head injury and does not restrict the rider's vision (disqualification for failure to wear such a helmet or for removing it during a race). OBRA makes no warranties or representations regarding the protective adequacy or fitness for competition of any helmets. A rider, by entering an event conducted under these rules, agrees to hold OBRA harmless from any and all claims arising from the use of any particular helmet. Wearing of the helmet is mandatory during training rides on competition courses.



    To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com.

    To respond to the list manager send to ob-@teleport.com

    To unsubscribe send to obra-uns-@topica.com



    





           --- __o

     -- -- _ \    \_~

          (_)/ (_)

MRRR

jake bigham

jak-@gorge.net

home/ 503 228 1338

gorge/ 541 298 1999

cell/ 503 784 1026







------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C2E23F.090B55B0

Content-Type: text/html;

charset="Windows-1252"

Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit



<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">

<HTML><HEAD>

<META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">

<META content="MSHTML 6.00.2723.2500" name=GENERATOR>

<STYLE></STYLE>

</HEAD>

<BODY bgColor=#ffffff>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>sorry, forgot my name was not part of the email

address.</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sean Murray</FONT></DIV>

<BLOCKQUOTE

style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>

<DIV

style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>

<A title=-@gorge.net href="mailto:jak-@gorge.net">Jake Bigham</A> </DIV>

<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=me-@obra.org

href="mailto:membe-@obra.org">membe-@obra.org</A> </DIV>

<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title-@topica.com

href="mailto:ob-@topica.com">OBRA</A> </DIV>

<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 03, 2003 9:55

PM</DIV>

<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [OBRA Chat] Helmets at

Races</DIV>

<DIV><BR></DIV>I agree but... who are you membership?<BR>On Monday, March 3,

2003, at 07:29 PM, Membership wrote:<BR><BR>

<BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>?  <BR><BR>I have been

    racing my bicycle since I was almost 10. Ever since I started I have worn a

    helmet, mostly because of the insistance of my parents. At the time I

    thought they were just being annoying, and like any rebellious kid I rode

    around wihtout my helmet whenever given a chance. I can remember a couple of

    times at the Best of the West junior stage race where I was relegated,

    disqualifed, penalized for riding without my helmet. Let me tell you, the

    first time you aren't allowed to start a race because you were riding around

    without your helmet will be the last time you forget it. At the time I

    thought they were being strict because we were juniors, kids that had to be

    taught. I feel like that lesson took in me, enough so that I get annoyed at

    races these days when I see people without their helmets.<BR><BR>Now  I

    see people at races riding around without helmets, and I think it is just

    because they are too lazy, or too stupid, to realize they need the extra

    protection. Even if you are just getting on your bike to ride over and

    register, a helmet needs to be on your head. Even if you just finished a

    long, hard race, a helmet still needs to be on your head. Mishaps happen all

    the time. (I remember a crit in North Portland, after a morning event at

    PIR, where on my way to the staging of my race I suddenly found myself on

    the ground. I even managed to taco my $150 dollar front wheel, all right on

    the street moving no faster than five or ten miles an hour.) Just because

    you are on you aren't 'racing' on your bicycle, does not mean you should

    ride without a helmet, especially at races.<BR><BR>Despite the fact that it

    is for your protection, at races you are also setting an example. You may or

    may not notice all of the juniors riding around, or even be able to tell

    which Bosen child is which, but you should know that they are all looking up

    to us as racers. We are adults, so besides having to look up because they

    are short, the junior racers look up at the adult riders because they want

    to be racers like us. They want to be fast, they want to look cool on their

    bikes, and they will emulate us in every way. If they see riders coasting

    around without their helmets on, they will begin to question why they have

    to wear their helmets (and just so you know, the line 'Because I say so'

    only goes so far).<BR><BR>Really I guess this is my way of asking racers to

    remember where they are. You are at a race, where not only are you an

    ambassador of bicycle racing in Oregon, you are also role model to the next

    generation of racers. Even if you feel like it is okay to risk your life

    riding around without a helmet on (because a crash even at slow speeds could

    kill you if you land wrong) know that you are setting a bad example in doing

    so. This isn't Europe, and I will continue to call people on riding without

    helmets.<BR><BR> <BR><BR>is an excerpt from the OBRA rulebook on

    helmets:<BR><BR> <BR><BR>9.1. - HELMETS<BR><BR>Every rider warming up

    or racing while at the race venue shall wear a protective, securely fastened

    helmet that satisfies at least one of the following helmet

    standards:<BR><BR>- US Department of Transportation (DOT)<BR><BR>- American

    National Standards Institute (ANSI) Standard Z90.4<BR><BR>- Snell Memorial

    Foundation Standard "B" or "N" series<BR><BR>- American Society for Testing

    and Materials (ASTM) standard F-1447<BR><BR>- Canadian Standards Association

    standard (CSA) CAN/CSA-D113.2-M<BR><BR>- US Consumer Product Safety

    Commission (CPSC)<BR><BR>Riders shall show documentary proof of this, such

    as a manufacturer's label, upon request by race officials. It is the rider's

    responsibility to select and wear such a helmet that offers sufficient

    protection against head injury and does not restrict the rider's vision

    (disqualification for failure to wear such a helmet or for removing it

    during a race). OBRA makes no warranties or representations regarding the

    protective adequacy or fitness for competition of any helmets. A rider, by

    entering an event conducted under these rules, agrees to hold OBRA harmless

    from any and all claims arising from the use of any particular helmet.

    Wearing of the helmet is mandatory during training rides on competition

    courses.<BR><BR><?/smaller><?/fontfamily><TT><?bigger>To respond to the

    whole group send to ob-@topica.com.<BR>To respond to the list manager send

    to ob-@teleport.com<BR>To unsubscribe send to obra-uns-@topica.com<?/bigger></TT><BR><BR><TT><?bigger>==^==^=============================================================<BR>This

    email was sent to: jak-@gorge.net<BR><BR>EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: <U><?color><?param 1999,1999,FFFF>http://topica.com/help/unsub.html.amFrZWJA<?/color></U><BR>Or

    send an email to: obra-uns-@topica.com<BR><BR>TOPICA - Start your own

    email discussion group.

    FREE!<BR><U><?color><?param 1999,1999,FFFF>http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html<?/color></U><BR>==^==^=============================================================<?/bigger></TT><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>        

--- __o<BR>   -- -- _ \   

\_~<BR>        (_)/ 

(_)<BR>MRRR<BR>jake bigham<BR>jak-@gorge.net<BR>home/ 503 228 1338<BR>gorge/

541 298 1999<BR>cell/ 503 784 1026<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>





</BODY></HTML>



------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C2E23F.090B55B0--

mike.m-@obra.org

2003-03-04

1. OBRA rules were adopted by a vote of the club representatives at the

annual meeting 1/20/01. They are substantially different from USAC rules

but similar to the rules adopted by ACA and FIAC and formerly used by NCNCA.

They have not been printed into a book but we are considering this. They

can be downloaded from the OBRA web page at:

http://www.obra.org/pdfs/obra%20rules.pdf.



2. Dan's proposed wording for a rule on helmets is reasonable. The

mechanism for changing the rules is the first paragraph of the rules:



"Modification of these rules may be made by vote of the club

representatives, generally at an annual meeting. Proposed rule changes shall

be presented to OBRA in written form to be voted on by the club

representatives. The OBRA board may in an emergency, or in the case of a

time sensitive matter, make modifications to these rules. Changes to the

rules which are primarily of a housekeeping nature, such as printing format

or changing numbering, may be made without board approval."



4. Officials may examine individual equipment at any time. Requiring

equipment inspection however is a bad idea since it increases the officials

liability since it places them in the position of approving the safety of

equipment. Should that equipment then fail then a liability claim might be

made against the official the OK'd it. If there is no official equipment

inspection it leaves the responsibility for maintaining and certifying the

safety of equipment in the hands of the individual rider where it belong.



BTW, Sean was wearing a helmet well before he was 10. I have pictures.



Mike Murray



-----Original Message-----

From: Dan H. [mailto:br-@politesociety.com]

Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 23:27 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Helmets at Races





1] I did not know that an OBRA rule book existed. I have never seen one.

It is my understanding that a person could put an OBRA sticker on a USA

Cycling rule book and have about the same thing.

2] It is noteworthy that the rule you quote says: "warming up or racing

while at the race venue".

It should say: "anytime you are on a bike"

3] If a person is not at a race venue hosted by an organization that has to

pay insurance premiums to do their thing, I fully support an adult

individuals right to be as careless as they want by not wearing a helmet or

any other safety equipment. There is no law against stupidity nor should

there be one. Let natural selection work.

4] I would like to see some kind of equipment inspection at registration.

When someone rides an unsafe bike, they put the whole pack at risk.

5] Why do people keep saying "this isn't Europe"? I don't plan my life

around what Euros do or don't do. This isn't a lot of places.

6] It is interesting that there were motorcycle helmet laws long before

there were seat belt laws.

7] In the days before bicycle helmet laws for minors, I knew a person who

was passionate about getting the law enacted to protect children. He

turned out to be a child molester. If he really wanted to protect

children, he should have moved to Antarctica!.

8] No more safety laws!

Sorry to go on, but when someone tells me I should wear a helmet, it

triggers a response in me. Like when I head out for a ride and someone

says "be carefull!" As though I was thinking: "take chances!"

If you want to stay safe, stay out of the bathroom! That's where most

accidents happen.

I'll stop now.





At 07:29 PM 3/3/03 -0800, you wrote:

        I have been racing my bicycle since I was almost 10. Ever since I

started I have worn a helmet, mostly because of the insistance of my

parents. At the time I thought they were just being annoying, and like any

rebellious kid I rode around wihtout my helmet whenever given a chance. I

can remember a couple of times at the Best of the West junior stage race

where I was relegated, disqualifed, penalized for riding without my

helmet. Let me tell you, the first time you aren't allowed to start a race

because you were riding around without your helmet will be the last time

you forget it. At the time I thought they were being strict because we

were juniors, kids that had to be taught. I feel like that lesson took in

me, enough so that I get annoyed at races these days when I see people

without their helmets.   I see people at races riding around without

helmets, and I think it is just because they are too lazy, or too stupid,

to realize they need the extra protection. Even if you are just getting on

your bike to ride over and register, a helmet needs to be on your head.

Even if you just finished a long, hard race, a helmet still needs to be on

your head. Mishaps happen all the time. (I remember a crit in North

Portland, after a morning event at PIR, where on my way to the staging of

my race I suddenly found myself on the ground. I even managed to taco my

$150 dollar front wheel, all right on the street moving no faster than

five or ten miles an hour.) Just because you are on you aren't 'racing' on

your bicycle, does not mean you should ride without a helmet, especially at

races. Despite the fact that it is for your protection, at races you are

also setting an example. You may or may not notice all of the juniors

riding around, or even be able to tell which Bosen child is which, but you

should know that they are all looking up to us as racers. We are adults,

so besides having to look up because they are short, the junior racers

look up at the adult riders because they want to be racers like us. They

want to be fast, they want to look cool on their bikes, and they will

emulate us in every way. If they see riders coasting around without their

helmets on, they will begin to question why they have to wear their

helmets (and just so you know, the line 'Because I say so' only goes so

far). Really I guess this is my way of asking racers to remember where

they are. You are at a race, where not only are you an ambassador of

bicycle racing in Oregon, you are also role model to the next generation

of racers. Even if you feel like it is okay to risk your life riding

around without a helmet on (because a crash even at slow speeds could kill

you if you land wrong) know that you are setting a bad example in doing

so. This isn't Europe, and I will continue to call people on riding

without helmets.   is an excerpt from the OBRA rulebook on helmets:   9.1.

- HELMETS Every rider warming up or racing while at the race venue shall

wear a protective, securely fastened helmet that satisfies at least one of

the following helmet standards: - US Department of Transportation (DOT) -

American National Standards Institute (ANSI) Standard Z90.4 - Snell

Memorial Foundation Standard "B" or "N" series - American Society for

Testing and Materials (ASTM) standard F-1447 - Canadian Standards

Association standard (CSA) CAN/CSA-D113.2-M - US Consumer Product Safety

Commission (CPSC) Riders shall show documentary proof of this, such as a

manufacturer's label, upon request by race officials. It is the rider's

responsibility to select and wear such a helmet that offers sufficient

protection against head injury and does not restrict the rider's vision

(disqualification for failure to wear such a helmet or for removing it

during a race). OBRA makes no warranties or representations regarding the

protective adequacy or fitness for competition of any helmets. A rider, by

entering an event conducted under these rules, agrees to hold OBRA

harmless from any and all claims arising from the use of any particular

helmet. Wearing of the helmet is mandatory during training rides on

competition courses. To respond to the whole group send to

ob-@topica.com. To respond to the list manager send to ob-@teleport.com

To unsubscribe send to obra-uns-@topica.com



To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com.

To respond to the list manager send to ob-@teleport.com

To unsubscribe send to obra-uns-@topica.com

markjgi-@yahoo.com

2003-03-04

--0-222707347-1046800330=:86237

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii





Seems like a lot of people want to become officials and specialize in doing inspections!

Rather than telling someone else what they should do, we should all consider becoming officials and working a race or two each year, we could even ask to be the one assigned to checking everybodies bike prior to the the race

Mark

Joe Zauner <bigsung-@attbi.com> wrote: I'm all for bike inspections. I mean, all you're looking for are glued tires (where applicable), true wheels, tire pressure and brakes that engaged the rim before the levers hit the bars. Takes 30 seconds at registration.



Joe







From: David Auker <Dav-@Hevanet.Com>

Reply-To: Dav-@Hevanet.Com

Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 08:01:36 -0800

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Helmets at Races





Back when the vast majority of racers used sew-ups, an inspection was

usually done at criteriums to check how well the tires were glued on. It

was good for safety, as a rolled tire in a corner jeopardizes potentially

the whole pack ( I think there still may be a rule that a rolled tire

warrants a two-week suspension?). I remember one inspection done by a

totally hulky weight lifter dude...he probably could have easily said, "your

top tube seems to be loose..."



David



 4] I would like to see some kind of equipment inspection at registration.

When someone rides an unsafe bike, they put the whole pack at risk.



To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com.

To respond to the list manager send to ob-@teleport.com

To unsubscribe send to obra-uns-@topica.com







To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com.To respond to the list manager send to ob-@teleport.comTo unsubscribe send to obra-uns-@topica.com







Mark J. GinsbergAttorney At Law851 SW 6th Ave., Ste. 1600Portland OR 97204(503) 542-3000Fax (503) 248-6800 markjgi-@yahoo.com





---------------------------------

Do you Yahoo!?

Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more





--0-222707347-1046800330=:86237

Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii



<P>Seems like a lot of people want to become officials and specialize in doing inspections!

<P>Rather than telling someone else what they should do, we should all consider becoming officials and working a race or two each year, we could even ask to be the one assigned to checking everybodies bike prior to the the race

<P>Mark

<P> <B><I>Joe Zauner <bigsung-@attbi.com></I></B> wrote:

<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">I'm all for bike inspections. I mean, all you're looking for are glued tires (where applicable), true wheels, tire pressure and brakes that engaged the rim before the levers hit the bars. Takes 30 seconds at registration.<BR><BR>Joe<BR><BR><BR>

<BLOCKQUOTE><BR><B>From: </B>David Auker <Dav-@Hevanet.Com><BR><B>Reply-To: </B>Dav-@Hevanet.Com<BR><B>Date: </B>Tue, 4 Mar 2003 08:01:36 -0800<BR><B>To: </B>ob-@topica.com<BR><B>Subject: </B>RE: [OBRA Chat] Helmets at Races<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

<BLOCKQUOTE>Back when the vast majority of racers used sew-ups, an inspection was<BR>usually done at criteriums to check how well the tires were glued on.  It<BR>was good for safety, as a rolled tire in a corner jeopardizes potentially<BR>the whole pack ( I think there still may be a rule that a rolled tire<BR>warrants a two-week suspension?).  I remember one inspection done by a<BR>totally hulky weight lifter dude...he probably could have easily said, "your<BR>top tube seems to be loose..."<BR><BR>David<BR><BR>> 4] I would like to see some kind of equipment inspection at registration.<BR>> When someone rides an unsafe bike, they put the whole pack at risk.<BR><BR>To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com.<BR>To respond to the list manager send to ob-@teleport.com<BR>To unsubscribe send to obra-uns-@topica.com<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><PRE>To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com.

To respond to the list manager send to ob-@teleport.com

To unsubscribe send to obra-uns-@topica.com</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><ADDRESS>Mark J. Ginsberg</ADDRESS>

<ADDRESS>Attorney At Law</ADDRESS>

<ADDRESS>851 SW 6th Ave., Ste. 1600</ADDRESS>

<ADDRESS>Portland OR 97204</ADDRESS>

<ADDRESS>(503) 542-3000</ADDRESS>

<ADDRESS>Fax (503) 248-6800 </ADDRESS>

<ADDRESS><A href="mailto:markjgi-@yahoo.com">markjgi-@yahoo.com</A></ADDRESS>

<ADDRESS> </ADDRESS><p><br><hr size=1>Do you Yahoo!?<br>

<a href="http://rd.yahoo.com/finance/mailtagline/*http://taxes.yahoo.com/">Yahoo! Tax Center</a> - forms, calculators, tips, and more

--0-222707347-1046800330=:86237--

Joe Zauner

2003-03-04

 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand

this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.



--MS_Mac_OE_3129616148_2699712_MIME_Part

Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit



I'm all for bike inspections. I mean, all you're looking for are glued tires

(where applicable), true wheels, tire pressure and brakes that engaged the

rim before the levers hit the bars. Takes 30 seconds at registration.



Joe







From: David Auker <Dav-@Hevanet.Com>

Reply-To: Dav-@Hevanet.Com

Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 08:01:36 -0800

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Helmets at Races





Back when the vast majority of racers used sew-ups, an inspection was

usually done at criteriums to check how well the tires were glued on. It

was good for safety, as a rolled tire in a corner jeopardizes potentially

the whole pack ( I think there still may be a rule that a rolled tire

warrants a two-week suspension?). I remember one inspection done by a

totally hulky weight lifter dude...he probably could have easily said, "your

top tube seems to be loose..."



David



 4] I would like to see some kind of equipment inspection at registration.

When someone rides an unsafe bike, they put the whole pack at risk.



To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com.

To respond to the list manager send to ob-@teleport.com

To unsubscribe send to obra-uns-@topica.com



==^================================================================

This email was sent to: bigsung-@attbi.com



EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/help/unsub.html.Ymlnc3Vu

Or send an email to: obra-uns-@topica.com



TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE!

http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html

==^================================================================













--MS_Mac_OE_3129616148_2699712_MIME_Part

Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"

Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit



<HTML>

<HEAD>

<TITLE>Re: [OBRA Chat] Helmets at Races</TITLE>

</HEAD>

<BODY>

I'm all for bike inspections. I mean, all you're looking for are glued tires (where applicable), true wheels, tire pressure and brakes that engaged the rim before the levers hit the bars. Takes 30 seconds at registration.<BR>

<BR>

Joe<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

<BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

<B>From: </B>David Auker <Dav-@Hevanet.Com><BR>

<B>Reply-To: </B>Dav-@Hevanet.Com<BR>

<B>Date: </B>Tue, 4 Mar 2003 08:01:36 -0800<BR>

<B>To: </B>ob-@topica.com<BR>

<B>Subject: </B>RE: [OBRA Chat] Helmets at Races<BR>

<BR>

</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

<BLOCKQUOTE>Back when the vast majority of racers used sew-ups, an inspection was<BR>

usually done at criteriums to check how well the tires were glued on.  It<BR>

was good for safety, as a rolled tire in a corner jeopardizes potentially<BR>

the whole pack ( I think there still may be a rule that a rolled tire<BR>

warrants a two-week suspension?).  I remember one inspection done by a<BR>

totally hulky weight lifter dude...he probably could have easily said, "your<BR>

top tube seems to be loose..."<BR>

<BR>

David<BR>

<BR>

 4] I would like to see some kind of equipment inspection at registration.<BR>

When someone rides an unsafe bike, they put the whole pack at risk.<BR>

<BR>

To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com.<BR>

To respond to the list manager send to ob-@teleport.com<BR>

To unsubscribe send to obra-uns-@topica.com<BR>

<BR>

</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>







</BODY>

</HTML>



--MS_Mac_OE_3129616148_2699712_MIME_Part--

Rob Burkhart

2003-03-04

Wow,



Pretzel logic is alive and well in the Northwest.   Dan, maybe you should

have a cup of coffee and think about this a little...



-Rob









 From: "Dan H." <br-@politesociety.com>

Reply-To: br-@politesociety.com

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Helmets at Races

Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 23:26:32 -0800



1] I did not know that an OBRA rule book existed. I have never seen one.

It is my understanding that a person could put an OBRA sticker on a USA

Cycling rule book and have about the same thing.

2] It is noteworthy that the rule you quote says: "warming up or racing

while at the race venue".

It should say: "anytime you are on a bike"

3] If a person is not at a race venue hosted by an organization that has to

pay insurance premiums to do their thing, I fully support an adult

individuals right to be as careless as they want by not wearing a helmet or

any other safety equipment. There is no law against stupidity nor should

there be one. Let natural selection work.

4] I would like to see some kind of equipment inspection at registration.

When someone rides an unsafe bike, they put the whole pack at risk.

5] Why do people keep saying "this isn't Europe"? I don't plan my life

around what Euros do or don't do. This isn't a lot of places.

6] It is interesting that there were motorcycle helmet laws long before

there were seat belt laws.

7] In the days before bicycle helmet laws for minors, I knew a person who

was passionate about getting the law enacted to protect children. He

turned out to be a child molester. If he really wanted to protect

children, he should have moved to Antarctica!.

8] No more safety laws!

Sorry to go on, but when someone tells me I should wear a helmet, it

triggers a response in me. Like when I head out for a ride and someone

says "be carefull!" As though I was thinking: "take chances!"

If you want to stay safe, stay out of the bathroom! That's where most

accidents happen.

I'll stop now.





At 07:29 PM 3/3/03 -0800, you wrote:

        I have been racing my bicycle since I was almost 10. Ever since I

started I have worn a helmet, mostly because of the insistance of my

parents. At the time I thought they were just being annoying, and like

any

 rebellious kid I rode around wihtout my helmet whenever given a chance.

I

 can remember a couple of times at the Best of the West junior stage race

where I was relegated, disqualifed, penalized for riding without my

helmet. Let me tell you, the first time you aren't allowed to start a

race

 because you were riding around without your helmet will be the last time

you forget it. At the time I thought they were being strict because we

were juniors, kids that had to be taught. I feel like that lesson took

in

 me, enough so that I get annoyed at races these days when I see people

without their helmets.   I see people at races riding around without

helmets, and I think it is just because they are too lazy, or too

stupid,

 to realize they need the extra protection. Even if you are just getting

on

 your bike to ride over and register, a helmet needs to be on your head.

Even if you just finished a long, hard race, a helmet still needs to be

on

 your head. Mishaps happen all the time. (I remember a crit in North

Portland, after a morning event at PIR, where on my way to the staging

of

 my race I suddenly found myself on the ground. I even managed to taco my

$150 dollar front wheel, all right on the street moving no faster than

five or ten miles an hour.) Just because you are on you aren't 'racing'

on

 your bicycle, does not mean you should ride without a helmet, especially

at

 races. Despite the fact that it is for your protection, at races you are

also setting an example. You may or may not notice all of the juniors

riding around, or even be able to tell which Bosen child is which, but

you

 should know that they are all looking up to us as racers. We are adults,

so besides having to look up because they are short, the junior racers

look up at the adult riders because they want to be racers like us. They

want to be fast, they want to look cool on their bikes, and they will

emulate us in every way. If they see riders coasting around without

their

 helmets on, they will begin to question why they have to wear their

helmets (and just so you know, the line 'Because I say so' only goes so

far). Really I guess this is my way of asking racers to remember where

they are. You are at a race, where not only are you an ambassador of

bicycle racing in Oregon, you are also role model to the next generation

of racers. Even if you feel like it is okay to risk your life riding

around without a helmet on (because a crash even at slow speeds could

kill

 you if you land wrong) know that you are setting a bad example in doing

so. This isn't Europe, and I will continue to call people on riding

without helmets.   is an excerpt from the OBRA rulebook on helmets:   

9.1.

 - HELMETS Every rider warming up or racing while at the race venue shall

wear a protective, securely fastened helmet that satisfies at least one

of

 the following helmet standards: - US Department of Transportation (DOT)

-

 American National Standards Institute (ANSI) Standard Z90.4 - Snell

Memorial Foundation Standard "B" or "N" series - American Society for

Testing and Materials (ASTM) standard F-1447 - Canadian Standards

Association standard (CSA) CAN/CSA-D113.2-M - US Consumer Product Safety

Commission (CPSC) Riders shall show documentary proof of this, such as a

manufacturer's label, upon request by race officials. It is the rider's

responsibility to select and wear such a helmet that offers sufficient

protection against head injury and does not restrict the rider's vision

(disqualification for failure to wear such a helmet or for removing it

during a race). OBRA makes no warranties or representations regarding

the

 protective adequacy or fitness for competition of any helmets. A rider,

by

 entering an event conducted under these rules, agrees to hold OBRA

harmless from any and all claims arising from the use of any particular

helmet. Wearing of the helmet is mandatory during training rides on

competition courses. To respond to the whole group send to

ob-@topica.com. To respond to the list manager send to ob-@teleport.com

To unsubscribe send to obra-uns-@topica.com



To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com.

To respond to the list manager send to ob-@teleport.com

To unsubscribe send to obra-uns-@topica.com





_________________________________________________________________

MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE*

http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

David Auker

2003-03-04

Back when the vast majority of racers used sew-ups, an inspection was

usually done at criteriums to check how well the tires were glued on. It

was good for safety, as a rolled tire in a corner jeopardizes potentially

the whole pack ( I think there still may be a rule that a rolled tire

warrants a two-week suspension?). I remember one inspection done by a

totally hulky weight lifter dude...he probably could have easily said, "your

top tube seems to be loose..."



David



 4] I would like to see some kind of equipment inspection at registration.

When someone rides an unsafe bike, they put the whole pack at risk.

Eric Kytola

2003-03-04

4] did you not see the line for registration at the Banana Belt? you are

going to have to get there at 5:00am to check out all of our bikes and

certify they meet your safety standards. hopefully you'll be able to

thoroughly check all 350 bicycles before your race starts.



-----Original Message-----

From: Dan H. [mailto:br-@politesociety.com]

Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 11:27 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Helmets at Races





1] I did not know that an OBRA rule book existed. I have never seen one.

It is my understanding that a person could put an OBRA sticker on a USA

Cycling rule book and have about the same thing.

2] It is noteworthy that the rule you quote says: "warming up or racing

while at the race venue".

It should say: "anytime you are on a bike"

3] If a person is not at a race venue hosted by an organization that has to

pay insurance premiums to do their thing, I fully support an adult

individuals right to be as careless as they want by not wearing a helmet or

any other safety equipment. There is no law against stupidity nor should

there be one. Let natural selection work.

4] I would like to see some kind of equipment inspection at registration.

When someone rides an unsafe bike, they put the whole pack at risk.

5] Why do people keep saying "this isn't Europe"? I don't plan my life

around what Euros do or don't do. This isn't a lot of places.

6] It is interesting that there were motorcycle helmet laws long before

there were seat belt laws.

7] In the days before bicycle helmet laws for minors, I knew a person who

was passionate about getting the law enacted to protect children. He

turned out to be a child molester. If he really wanted to protect

children, he should have moved to Antarctica!.

8] No more safety laws!

Sorry to go on, but when someone tells me I should wear a helmet, it

triggers a response in me. Like when I head out for a ride and someone

says "be carefull!" As though I was thinking: "take chances!"

If you want to stay safe, stay out of the bathroom! That's where most

accidents happen.

I'll stop now.





At 07:29 PM 3/3/03 -0800, you wrote:

        I have been racing my bicycle since I was almost 10. Ever since I

started I have worn a helmet, mostly because of the insistance of my

parents. At the time I thought they were just being annoying, and like any

rebellious kid I rode around wihtout my helmet whenever given a chance. I

can remember a couple of times at the Best of the West junior stage race

where I was relegated, disqualifed, penalized for riding without my

helmet. Let me tell you, the first time you aren't allowed to start a race

because you were riding around without your helmet will be the last time

you forget it. At the time I thought they were being strict because we

were juniors, kids that had to be taught. I feel like that lesson took in

me, enough so that I get annoyed at races these days when I see people

without their helmets.   I see people at races riding around without

helmets, and I think it is just because they are too lazy, or too stupid,

to realize they need the extra protection. Even if you are just getting on

your bike to ride over and register, a helmet needs to be on your head.

Even if you just finished a long, hard race, a helmet still needs to be on

your head. Mishaps happen all the time. (I remember a crit in North

Portland, after a morning event at PIR, where on my way to the staging of

my race I suddenly found myself on the ground. I even managed to taco my

$150 dollar front wheel, all right on the street moving no faster than

five or ten miles an hour.) Just because you are on you aren't 'racing' on

your bicycle, does not mean you should ride without a helmet, especially at

races. Despite the fact that it is for your protection, at races you are

also setting an example. You may or may not notice all of the juniors

riding around, or even be able to tell which Bosen child is which, but you

should know that they are all looking up to us as racers. We are adults,

so besides having to look up because they are short, the junior racers

look up at the adult riders because they want to be racers like us. They

want to be fast, they want to look cool on their bikes, and they will

emulate us in every way. If they see riders coasting around without their

helmets on, they will begin to question why they have to wear their

helmets (and just so you know, the line 'Because I say so' only goes so

far). Really I guess this is my way of asking racers to remember where

they are. You are at a race, where not only are you an ambassador of

bicycle racing in Oregon, you are also role model to the next generation

of racers. Even if you feel like it is okay to risk your life riding

around without a helmet on (because a crash even at slow speeds could kill

you if you land wrong) know that you are setting a bad example in doing

so. This isn't Europe, and I will continue to call people on riding

without helmets.   is an excerpt from the OBRA rulebook on helmets:   9.1.

- HELMETS Every rider warming up or racing while at the race venue shall

wear a protective, securely fastened helmet that satisfies at least one of

the following helmet standards: - US Department of Transportation (DOT) -

American National Standards Institute (ANSI) Standard Z90.4 - Snell

Memorial Foundation Standard "B" or "N" series - American Society for

Testing and Materials (ASTM) standard F-1447 - Canadian Standards

Association standard (CSA) CAN/CSA-D113.2-M - US Consumer Product Safety

Commission (CPSC) Riders shall show documentary proof of this, such as a

manufacturer's label, upon request by race officials. It is the rider's

responsibility to select and wear such a helmet that offers sufficient

protection against head injury and does not restrict the rider's vision

(disqualification for failure to wear such a helmet or for removing it

during a race). OBRA makes no warranties or representations regarding the

protective adequacy or fitness for competition of any helmets. A rider, by

entering an event conducted under these rules, agrees to hold OBRA

harmless from any and all claims arising from the use of any particular

helmet. Wearing of the helmet is mandatory during training rides on

competition courses. To respond to the whole group send to

ob-@topica.com. To respond to the list manager send to ob-@teleport.com

To unsubscribe send to obra-uns-@topica.com



To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com.

To respond to the list manager send to ob-@teleport.com

To unsubscribe send to obra-uns-@topica.com

Jake Bigham

2003-03-03

9] Every time some idiot becomes an organ donor because they were not

wearing a helmet it costs me money. If the flat liner was insured then

my insurance goes up. If the selfish dolt was not insured then

emergency healthcare costs go up. If you don't want to wear a helmet

that's OK, just wear a tattoo that says "leave me here to die". Wearing

a helmet is up to you, just don't ruin my riding (or my racing) to

satisfy your born to be wild spirit.



On Monday, March 3, 2003, at 11:26 PM, Dan H. wrote:



 1] I did not know that an OBRA rule book existed. I have never seen

one.

It is my understanding that a person could put an OBRA sticker on a USA

Cycling rule book and have about the same thing.

2] It is noteworthy that the rule you quote says: "warming up or racing

while at the race venue".

It should say: "anytime you are on a bike"

3] If a person is not at a race venue hosted by an organization that

has to

pay insurance premiums to do their thing, I fully support an adult

individuals right to be as careless as they want by not wearing a

helmet or

any other safety equipment. There is no law against stupidity nor

should

there be one. Let natural selection work.

4] I would like to see some kind of equipment inspection at

registration.

When someone rides an unsafe bike, they put the whole pack at risk.

5] Why do people keep saying "this isn't Europe"? I don't plan my life

around what Euros do or don't do. This isn't a lot of places.

6] It is interesting that there were motorcycle helmet laws long before

there were seat belt laws.

7] In the days before bicycle helmet laws for minors, I knew a person

who

was passionate about getting the law enacted to protect children. He

turned out to be a child molester. If he really wanted to protect

children, he should have moved to Antarctica!.

8] No more safety laws!

Sorry to go on, but when someone tells me I should wear a helmet, it

triggers a response in me. Like when I head out for a ride and someone

says "be carefull!" As though I was thinking: "take chances!"

If you want to stay safe, stay out of the bathroom! That's where most

accidents happen.

I'll stop now.





At 07:29 PM 3/3/03 -0800, you wrote:

        I have been racing my bicycle since I was almost 10. Ever since

I

started I have worn a helmet, mostly because of the insistance of my

parents. At the time I thought they were just being annoying, and

like any

rebellious kid I rode around wihtout my helmet whenever given a

chance. I

can remember a couple of times at the Best of the West junior stage

race

where I was relegated, disqualifed, penalized for riding without my

helmet. Let me tell you, the first time you aren't allowed to start

a race

because you were riding around without your helmet will be the last

time

you forget it. At the time I thought they were being strict because

we

were juniors, kids that had to be taught. I feel like that lesson

took in

me, enough so that I get annoyed at races these days when I see

people

without their helmets.   I see people at races riding around without

helmets, and I think it is just because they are too lazy, or too

stupid,

to realize they need the extra protection. Even if you are just

getting on

your bike to ride over and register, a helmet needs to be on your

head.

Even if you just finished a long, hard race, a helmet still needs to

be on

your head. Mishaps happen all the time. (I remember a crit in North

Portland, after a morning event at PIR, where on my way to the

staging of

my race I suddenly found myself on the ground. I even managed to

taco my

$150 dollar front wheel, all right on the street moving no faster

than

five or ten miles an hour.) Just because you are on you aren't

'racing' on

your bicycle, does not mean you should ride without a helmet,

especially at

races. Despite the fact that it is for your protection, at races you

are

also setting an example. You may or may not notice all of the juniors

riding around, or even be able to tell which Bosen child is which,

but you

should know that they are all looking up to us as racers. We are

adults,

so besides having to look up because they are short, the junior

racers

look up at the adult riders because they want to be racers like us.

They

want to be fast, they want to look cool on their bikes, and they will

emulate us in every way. If they see riders coasting around without

their

helmets on, they will begin to question why they have to wear their

helmets (and just so you know, the line 'Because I say so' only goes

so

far). Really I guess this is my way of asking racers to remember

where

they are. You are at a race, where not only are you an ambassador of

bicycle racing in Oregon, you are also role model to the next

generation

of racers. Even if you feel like it is okay to risk your life riding

around without a helmet on (because a crash even at slow speeds

could kill

you if you land wrong) know that you are setting a bad example in

doing

so. This isn't Europe, and I will continue to call people on riding

without helmets.   is an excerpt from the OBRA rulebook on helmets:   

9.1.

- HELMETS Every rider warming up or racing while at the race venue

shall

wear a protective, securely fastened helmet that satisfies at least

one of

the following helmet standards: - US Department of Transportation

(DOT) -

American National Standards Institute (ANSI) Standard Z90.4 - Snell

Memorial Foundation Standard "B" or "N" series - American Society for

Testing and Materials (ASTM) standard F-1447 - Canadian Standards

Association standard (CSA) CAN/CSA-D113.2-M - US Consumer Product

Safety

Commission (CPSC) Riders shall show documentary proof of this, such

as a

manufacturer's label, upon request by race officials. It is the

rider's

responsibility to select and wear such a helmet that offers

sufficient

protection against head injury and does not restrict the rider's

vision

(disqualification for failure to wear such a helmet or for removing

it

during a race). OBRA makes no warranties or representations

regarding the

protective adequacy or fitness for competition of any helmets. A

rider, by

entering an event conducted under these rules, agrees to hold OBRA

harmless from any and all claims arising from the use of any

particular

helmet. Wearing of the helmet is mandatory during training rides on

competition courses. To respond to the whole group send to

ob-@topica.com. To respond to the list manager send to

ob-@teleport.com

To unsubscribe send to obra-uns-@topica.com



To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com.

To respond to the list manager send to ob-@teleport.com

To unsubscribe send to obra-uns-@topica.com

???????? --- __o

?? -- -- _ \??? \_~

??????? (_)/? (_)

         MRRR

jake bigham

jak-@gorge.net

home/ 503 228 1338

gorge/ 541 298 1999

cell/ 503 784 1026

Jake Bigham

2003-03-03



--Apple-Mail-2--269336340

Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Content-Type: text/plain;

charset=WINDOWS-1252;

format=flowed



I agree but... who are you membership?

On Monday, March 3, 2003, at 07:29 PM, Membership wrote:



 ? ?



I have been racing my bicycle since I was almost 10. Ever since I

started I have worn a helmet, mostly because of the insistance of my

parents. At the time I thought they were just being annoying, and like

any rebellious kid I rode around wihtout my helmet whenever given a

chance. I can remember a couple of times at the Best of the West

junior stage race where I was relegated, disqualifed, penalized for

riding without my helmet. Let me tell you, the first time you aren't

allowed to start a race because you were riding around without your

helmet will be the last time you forget it. At the time I thought they

were being strict because we were juniors, kids that had to be taught.

I feel like that lesson took in me, enough so that I get annoyed at

races these days when I see people without their helmets.



Now? I see people at races riding around without helmets, and I think

it is just because they are too lazy, or too stupid, to realize they

need the extra protection. Even if you are just getting on your bike

to ride over and register, a helmet needs to be on your head. Even if

you just finished a long, hard race, a helmet still needs to be on

your head. Mishaps happen all the time. (I remember a crit in North

Portland, after a morning event at PIR, where on my way to the staging

of my race I suddenly found myself on the ground. I even managed to

taco my $150 dollar front wheel, all right on the street moving no

faster than five or ten miles an hour.) Just because you are on you

aren't 'racing' on your bicycle, does not mean you should ride without

a helmet, especially at races.



Despite the fact that it is for your protection, at races you are also

setting an example. You may or may not notice all of the juniors

riding around, or even be able to tell which Bosen child is which, but

you should know that they are all looking up to us as racers. We are

adults, so besides having to look up because they are short, the

junior racers look up at the adult riders because they want to be

racers like us. They want to be fast, they want to look cool on their

bikes, and they will emulate us in every way. If they see riders

coasting around without their helmets on, they will begin to question

why they have to wear their helmets (and just so you know, the line

'Because I say so' only goes so far).



Really I guess this is my way of asking racers to remember where they

are. You are at a race, where not only are you an ambassador of

bicycle racing in Oregon, you are also role model to the next

generation of racers. Even if you feel like it is okay to risk your

life riding around without a helmet on (because a crash even at slow

speeds could kill you if you land wrong) know that you are setting a

bad example in doing so. This isn't Europe, and I will continue to

call people on riding without helmets.



?



is an excerpt from the OBRA rulebook on helmets:



?



9.1. - HELMETS



Every rider warming up or racing while at the race venue shall wear a

protective, securely fastened helmet that satisfies at least one of

the following helmet standards:



- US Department of Transportation (DOT)



- American National Standards Institute (ANSI) Standard Z90.4



- Snell Memorial Foundation Standard "B" or "N" series



- American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM) standard F-1447



- Canadian Standards Association standard (CSA) CAN/CSA-D113.2-M



- US Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC)



Riders shall show documentary proof of this, such as a manufacturer's

label, upon request by race officials. It is the rider's

responsibility to select and wear such a helmet that offers sufficient

protection against head injury and does not restrict the rider's

vision (disqualification for failure to wear such a helmet or for

removing it during a race). OBRA makes no warranties or

representations regarding the protective adequacy or fitness for

competition of any helmets. A rider, by entering an event conducted

under these rules, agrees to hold OBRA harmless from any and all

claims arising from the use of any particular helmet. Wearing of the

helmet is mandatory during training rides on competition courses.



To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com.

To respond to the list manager send to ob-@teleport.com

To unsubscribe send to obra-uns-@topica.com

???????? --- __o

?? -- -- _ \??? \_~

??????? (_)/? (_)

         MRRR

jake bigham

jak-@gorge.net

home/ 503 228 1338

gorge/ 541 298 1999

cell/ 503 784 1026







--Apple-Mail-2--269336340

Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Content-Type: text/enriched;

charset=WINDOWS-1252



I agree but... who are you membership?



On Monday, March 3, 2003, at 07:29 PM, Membership wrote:





<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>=95 =A0





I have been racing my bicycle since I was almost 10. Ever since I

started I have worn a helmet, mostly because of the insistance of my

parents. At the time I thought they were just being annoying, and like

any rebellious kid I rode around wihtout my helmet whenever given a

chance. I can remember a couple of times at the Best of the West

junior stage race where I was relegated, disqualifed, penalized for

riding without my helmet. Let me tell you, the first time you aren't

allowed to start a race because you were riding around without your

helmet will be the last time you forget it. At the time I thought they

were being strict because we were juniors, kids that had to be taught.

I feel like that lesson took in me, enough so that I get annoyed at

races these days when I see people without their helmets.





Now=A0 I see people at races riding around without helmets, and I think

it is just because they are too lazy, or too stupid, to realize they

need the extra protection. Even if you are just getting on your bike

to ride over and register, a helmet needs to be on your head. Even if

you just finished a long, hard race, a helmet still needs to be on

your head. Mishaps happen all the time. (I remember a crit in North

Portland, after a morning event at PIR, where on my way to the staging

of my race I suddenly found myself on the ground. I even managed to

taco my $150 dollar front wheel, all right on the street moving no

faster than five or ten miles an hour.) Just because you are on you

aren't 'racing' on your bicycle, does not mean you should ride without

a helmet, especially at races.





Despite the fact that it is for your protection, at races you are also

setting an example. You may or may not notice all of the juniors

riding around, or even be able to tell which Bosen child is which, but

you should know that they are all looking up to us as racers. We are

adults, so besides having to look up because they are short, the

junior racers look up at the adult riders because they want to be

racers like us. They want to be fast, they want to look cool on their

bikes, and they will emulate us in every way. If they see riders

coasting around without their helmets on, they will begin to question

why they have to wear their helmets (and just so you know, the line

'Because I say so' only goes so far).





Really I guess this is my way of asking racers to remember where they

are. You are at a race, where not only are you an ambassador of

bicycle racing in Oregon, you are also role model to the next

generation of racers. Even if you feel like it is okay to risk your

life riding around without a helmet on (because a crash even at slow

speeds could kill you if you land wrong) know that you are setting a

bad example in doing so. This isn't Europe, and I will continue to

call people on riding without helmets.





=A0





is an excerpt from the OBRA rulebook on helmets:





=A0





9.1. - HELMETS





Every rider warming up or racing while at the race venue shall wear a

protective, securely fastened helmet that satisfies at least one of

the following helmet standards:





- US Department of Transportation (DOT)





- American National Standards Institute (ANSI) Standard Z90.4





- Snell Memorial Foundation Standard "B" or "N" series





- American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM) standard F-1447





- Canadian Standards Association standard (CSA) CAN/CSA-D113.2-M





- US Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC)





Riders shall show documentary proof of this, such as a manufacturer's

label, upon request by race officials. It is the rider's

responsibility to select and wear such a helmet that offers sufficient

protection against head injury and does not restrict the rider's

vision (disqualification for failure to wear such a helmet or for

removing it during a race). OBRA makes no warranties or

representations regarding the protective adequacy or fitness for

competition of any helmets. A rider, by entering an event conducted

under these rules, agrees to hold OBRA harmless from any and all

claims arising from the use of any particular helmet. Wearing of the

helmet is mandatory during training rides on competition courses.





</smaller></fontfamily><fixed><bigger>To respond to the whole group

send to ob-@topica.com.



To respond to the list manager send to ob-@teleport.com



To unsubscribe send to obra-uns-@topica.com</bigger></fixed>





=







</excerpt>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --- __o



=A0=A0 -- -- _ \=A0=A0=A0 \_~



=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 (_)/=A0 (_)



        MRRR



jake bigham



jak-@gorge.net



home/ 503 228 1338



gorge/ 541 298 1999



cell/ 503 784 1026







--Apple-Mail-2--269336340--

Ron Magnus

2003-03-03





On Mon, 3 Mar 2003, Dan H. wrote:



 1] I did not know that an OBRA rule book existed. I have never seen one.

It is my understanding that a person could put an OBRA sticker on a USA





For all of those that are interested, please take a look at

http://www.obra.org/pdfs/obra%20rules.pdf



It's avialable for printing so you can have your very own copy!





Good reading to all....





Ron Magnus



Portland.

Dan H.

2003-03-03

1] I did not know that an OBRA rule book existed. I have never seen one.

It is my understanding that a person could put an OBRA sticker on a USA

Cycling rule book and have about the same thing.

2] It is noteworthy that the rule you quote says: "warming up or racing

while at the race venue".

It should say: "anytime you are on a bike"

3] If a person is not at a race venue hosted by an organization that has to

pay insurance premiums to do their thing, I fully support an adult

individuals right to be as careless as they want by not wearing a helmet or

any other safety equipment. There is no law against stupidity nor should

there be one. Let natural selection work.

4] I would like to see some kind of equipment inspection at registration.

When someone rides an unsafe bike, they put the whole pack at risk.

5] Why do people keep saying "this isn't Europe"? I don't plan my life

around what Euros do or don't do. This isn't a lot of places.

6] It is interesting that there were motorcycle helmet laws long before

there were seat belt laws.

7] In the days before bicycle helmet laws for minors, I knew a person who

was passionate about getting the law enacted to protect children. He

turned out to be a child molester. If he really wanted to protect

children, he should have moved to Antarctica!.

8] No more safety laws!

Sorry to go on, but when someone tells me I should wear a helmet, it

triggers a response in me. Like when I head out for a ride and someone

says "be carefull!" As though I was thinking: "take chances!"

If you want to stay safe, stay out of the bathroom! That's where most

accidents happen.

I'll stop now.





At 07:29 PM 3/3/03 -0800, you wrote:

        I have been racing my bicycle since I was almost 10. Ever since I

started I have worn a helmet, mostly because of the insistance of my

parents. At the time I thought they were just being annoying, and like any

rebellious kid I rode around wihtout my helmet whenever given a chance. I

can remember a couple of times at the Best of the West junior stage race

where I was relegated, disqualifed, penalized for riding without my

helmet. Let me tell you, the first time you aren't allowed to start a race

because you were riding around without your helmet will be the last time

you forget it. At the time I thought they were being strict because we

were juniors, kids that had to be taught. I feel like that lesson took in

me, enough so that I get annoyed at races these days when I see people

without their helmets.   I see people at races riding around without

helmets, and I think it is just because they are too lazy, or too stupid,

to realize they need the extra protection. Even if you are just getting on

your bike to ride over and register, a helmet needs to be on your head.

Even if you just finished a long, hard race, a helmet still needs to be on

your head. Mishaps happen all the time. (I remember a crit in North

Portland, after a morning event at PIR, where on my way to the staging of

my race I suddenly found myself on the ground. I even managed to taco my

$150 dollar front wheel, all right on the street moving no faster than

five or ten miles an hour.) Just because you are on you aren't 'racing' on

your bicycle, does not mean you should ride without a helmet, especially at

races. Despite the fact that it is for your protection, at races you are

also setting an example. You may or may not notice all of the juniors

riding around, or even be able to tell which Bosen child is which, but you

should know that they are all looking up to us as racers. We are adults,

so besides having to look up because they are short, the junior racers

look up at the adult riders because they want to be racers like us. They

want to be fast, they want to look cool on their bikes, and they will

emulate us in every way. If they see riders coasting around without their

helmets on, they will begin to question why they have to wear their

helmets (and just so you know, the line 'Because I say so' only goes so

far). Really I guess this is my way of asking racers to remember where

they are. You are at a race, where not only are you an ambassador of

bicycle racing in Oregon, you are also role model to the next generation

of racers. Even if you feel like it is okay to risk your life riding

around without a helmet on (because a crash even at slow speeds could kill

you if you land wrong) know that you are setting a bad example in doing

so. This isn't Europe, and I will continue to call people on riding

without helmets.   is an excerpt from the OBRA rulebook on helmets:   9.1.

- HELMETS Every rider warming up or racing while at the race venue shall

wear a protective, securely fastened helmet that satisfies at least one of

the following helmet standards: - US Department of Transportation (DOT) -

American National Standards Institute (ANSI) Standard Z90.4 - Snell

Memorial Foundation Standard "B" or "N" series - American Society for

Testing and Materials (ASTM) standard F-1447 - Canadian Standards

Association standard (CSA) CAN/CSA-D113.2-M - US Consumer Product Safety

Commission (CPSC) Riders shall show documentary proof of this, such as a

manufacturer's label, upon request by race officials. It is the rider's

responsibility to select and wear such a helmet that offers sufficient

protection against head injury and does not restrict the rider's vision

(disqualification for failure to wear such a helmet or for removing it

during a race). OBRA makes no warranties or representations regarding the

protective adequacy or fitness for competition of any helmets. A rider, by

entering an event conducted under these rules, agrees to hold OBRA

harmless from any and all claims arising from the use of any particular

helmet. Wearing of the helmet is mandatory during training rides on

competition courses. To respond to the whole group send to

ob-@topica.com. To respond to the list manager send to ob-@teleport.com

To unsubscribe send to obra-uns-@topica.com

Membership

2003-03-03

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.



------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2E1BB.254E0800

Content-Type: text/plain;

charset="iso-8859-1"

Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit







I have been racing my bicycle since I was almost 10. Ever since I started I have worn a helmet, mostly because of the insistance of my parents. At the time I thought they were just being annoying, and like any rebellious kid I rode around wihtout my helmet whenever given a chance. I can remember a couple of times at the Best of the West junior stage race where I was relegated, disqualifed, penalized for riding without my helmet. Let me tell you, the first time you aren't allowed to start a race because you were riding around without your helmet will be the last time you forget it. At the time I thought they were being strict because we were juniors, kids that had to be taught. I feel like that lesson took in me, enough so that I get annoyed at races these days when I see people without their helmets.



Now I see people at races riding around without helmets, and I think it is just because they are too lazy, or too stupid, to realize they need the extra protection. Even if you are just getting on your bike to ride over and register, a helmet needs to be on your head. Even if you just finished a long, hard race, a helmet still needs to be on your head. Mishaps happen all the time. (I remember a crit in North Portland, after a morning event at PIR, where on my way to the staging of my race I suddenly found myself on the ground. I even managed to taco my $150 dollar front wheel, all right on the street moving no faster than five or ten miles an hour.) Just because you are on you aren't 'racing' on your bicycle, does not mean you should ride without a helmet, especially at races.



Despite the fact that it is for your protection, at races you are also setting an example. You may or may not notice all of the juniors riding around, or even be able to tell which Bosen child is which, but you should know that they are all looking up to us as racers. We are adults, so besides having to look up because they are short, the junior racers look up at the adult riders because they want to be racers like us. They want to be fast, they want to look cool on their bikes, and they will emulate us in every way. If they see riders coasting around without their helmets on, they will begin to question why they have to wear their helmets (and just so you know, the line 'Because I say so' only goes so far).



Really I guess this is my way of asking racers to remember where they are. You are at a race, where not only are you an ambassador of bicycle racing in Oregon, you are also role model to the next generation of racers. Even if you feel like it is okay to risk your life riding around without a helmet on (because a crash even at slow speeds could kill you if you land wrong) know that you are setting a bad example in doing so. This isn't Europe, and I will continue to call people on riding without helmets.







is an excerpt from the OBRA rulebook on helmets:







9.1. - HELMETS



Every rider warming up or racing while at the race venue shall wear a protective, securely fastened helmet that satisfies at least one of the following helmet standards:



- US Department of Transportation (DOT)



- American National Standards Institute (ANSI) Standard Z90.4



- Snell Memorial Foundation Standard "B" or "N" series



- American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM) standard F-1447



- Canadian Standards Association standard (CSA) CAN/CSA-D113.2-M



- US Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC)



Riders shall show documentary proof of this, such as a manufacturer's label, upon request by race officials. It is the rider's responsibility to select and wear such a helmet that offers sufficient protection against head injury and does not restrict the rider's vision (disqualification for failure to wear such a helmet or for removing it during a race). OBRA makes no warranties or representations regarding the protective adequacy or fitness for competition of any helmets. A rider, by entering an event conducted under these rules, agrees to hold OBRA harmless from any and all claims arising from the use of any particular helmet. Wearing of the helmet is mandatory during training rides on competition courses.







------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2E1BB.254E0800

Content-Type: text/html;

charset="iso-8859-1"

Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit



<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">

<HTML><HEAD>

<META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">

<META content="MSHTML 6.00.2723.2500" name=GENERATOR>

<STYLE></STYLE>

</HEAD>

<BODY bgColor=#ffffff>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>

<DIR>

<P> </P>

<P>I have been racing my bicycle since I was almost 10. Ever since I started I

have worn a helmet, mostly because of the insistance of my parents. At the time

I thought they were just being annoying, and like any rebellious kid I rode

around wihtout my helmet whenever given a chance. I can remember a couple of

times at the Best of the West junior stage race where I was relegated,

disqualifed, penalized for riding without my helmet. Let me tell you, the first

time you aren't allowed to start a race because you were riding around without

your helmet will be the last time you forget it. At the time I thought they were

being strict because we were juniors, kids that had to be taught. I feel like

that lesson took in me, enough so that I get annoyed at races these days when I

see people without their helmets.</P>

<P>Now  I see people at races riding around without helmets, and I think it

is just because they are too lazy, or too stupid, to realize they need the extra

protection. Even if you are just getting on your bike to ride over and register,

a helmet needs to be on your head. Even if you just finished a long, hard race,

a helmet still needs to be on your head. Mishaps happen all the time. (I

remember a crit in North Portland, after a morning event at PIR, where on my way

to the staging of my race I suddenly found myself on the ground. I even managed

to taco my $150 dollar front wheel, all right on the street moving no faster

than five or ten miles an hour.) Just because you are on you aren't 'racing' on

your bicycle, does not mean you should ride without a helmet, especially at

races.</P>

<P>Despite the fact that it is for your protection, at races you are also

setting an example. You may or may not notice all of the juniors riding around,

or even be able to tell which Bosen child is which, but you should know that

they are all looking up to us as racers. We are adults, so besides having to

look up because they are short, the junior racers look up at the adult riders

because they want to be racers like us. They want to be fast, they want to look

cool on their bikes, and they will emulate us in every way. If they see riders

coasting around without their helmets on, they will begin to question why they

have to wear their helmets (and just so you know, the line 'Because I say so'

only goes so far). </P>

<P>Really I guess this is my way of asking racers to remember where they are.

You are at a race, where not only are you an ambassador of bicycle racing in

Oregon, you are also role model to the next generation of racers. Even if you

feel like it is okay to risk your life riding around without a helmet on

(because a crash even at slow speeds could kill you if you land wrong) know that

you are setting a bad example in doing so. This isn't Europe, and I will

continue to call people on riding without helmets.</P>

<P> </P>

<P>is an excerpt from the OBRA rulebook on helmets:</P>

<P> </P>

<P>9.1. - HELMETS </P>

<P>Every rider warming up or racing while at the race venue shall wear a

protective, securely fastened helmet that satisfies at least one of the

following helmet standards: </P>

<P>- US Department of Transportation (DOT)</P>

<P>- American National Standards Institute (ANSI) Standard Z90.4 </P>

<P>- Snell Memorial Foundation Standard "B" or "N" series </P>

<P>- American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM) standard F-1447 </P>

<P>- Canadian Standards Association standard (CSA) CAN/CSA-D113.2-M</P>

<P>- US Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC)</P>

<P>Riders shall show documentary proof of this, such as a manufacturer's label,

upon request by race officials. It is the rider's responsibility to select and

wear such a helmet that offers sufficient protection against head injury and

does not restrict the rider's vision (disqualification for failure to wear such

a helmet or for removing it during a race). OBRA makes no warranties or

representations regarding the protective adequacy or fitness for competition of

any helmets. A rider, by entering an event conducted under these rules, agrees

to hold OBRA harmless from any and all claims arising from the use of any

particular helmet. Wearing of the helmet is mandatory during training rides on

competition courses. </P></DIR></FONT></DIV>





</BODY></HTML>



------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2E1BB.254E0800--

© 2026 Oregon Bicycle Racing Association