Galen Mittermann

If Portlanders care more about PIR than an OBRA Championship, then there is your problem, and not the Championship moving all over the, uh, state. It's not like it was out in Baker City. If you want a shot at a jersey, HTFU and go get it, or promote a Championship in your own favorite city. A champion worth of the jersey will travel to win it, like the current senior men's road race champ.

On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 11:45:06 -0700, "Seth May"
wrote:

You mean exactly what happened now. Someone takes charge: a promoter, agreed upon by OBRA central. They are assigned officials. They gather volunteers to help run it.

There is no difference.

-----Original Message-----
From: joec@aracnet.com [mailto:joec@aracnet.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:43 PM
To: Seth May
Cc: Jeff Tedder; Matt Plummer; mike.murray@obra.org; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OBRA Championships

Seth,

I call 'Bullshit!'. It can be done, like everything else is done, with the help of teams/volunteers/etc. Someone just needs to put a proposal together and put it out there.

Joe

On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 11:45:06 -0700, "Seth May"
wrote:
> It's easy to say "OBRA Should", but if you actually look at OBRA, it's
> made up of like 2 FTE. OBRA works because a largely independent group
> of officials coordinates to work with a largely independent group of
> promoters to put on events for random cyclists. Those 2 FTE are
> basically the glue that help pull everything together.
>
> It's simply not possible for "OBRA" to run a championship.
>
> Seth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> On Behalf Of Jeff Tedder
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:04 AM
> To: Matt Plummer; mike.murray@obra.org
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OBRA Championships
>
> Well I appreciate all the race promoters for sure, since we started
> our crit race 2 years ago I know how much work it takes to put on a
> race and ours is easy so putting on a road race I can imagine is not a
> fun time....But with that said I have my thoughts on this as well, I
> have said for years that State Championships should mean alot more
> than they do and be special race days for most of us and something we
> should all look forward to .....they just are not, its kinda sad and I
> contribute that to the amount of racing that is avail...way to much in
> my opinion, that's why the numbers are down at alot of the races, it's
> spread out way to thin on alot of weekends when there is numerous
> races going on.....This should be controlled somehow....and the places
> where most of these races take place, Bend,,CRIT, Southern
> Oregon..XC....etc etc....They end up being city championships alot of
> the time.....Why would travel this far when you can race almost every
> day of the week somewhere close to Portland during the early summer
> and through early fall, why would a race in Bend attract people? Not
> knocking Bend at all, its just facts....I also feel for the people
> that live in smaller areas of the state having to travel to alot of
> races but it goes back to the facts are a good majority of the people
> in OBRA that race probably live within a
> 10 mile radius of Portland, not sure what the numbers are but in
> general I think that would be true....All state championships should
> be in this area in my opinion, and again I don't know the details on
> this part of it, but why can't OBRA promote all state races, leave
> promoters out of it....??? not sure that makes sense at all but it is
> something people on our team have talked about.....But I guess in
> short I think there is way to may races on the schedule and people
> just don't look forward to a few big races a year anymore, they race
> so much now that when state races roll around and there 2 or 3 or ???
> hours away why would they go, when they can ride out to PIR or
> somewhere close in Portland and race....Again, I am not knocking
> anyone here, just some thoughts on how we could maybe change things to make these races mean something again.....have a great day....