Juniors are allowed to ride up. So a junior could in fact ride in a Sr Women field.
Candi
From: obra_women-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra_women-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Stacy Westbrook
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 3:46 PM
To: Jen Akeroyd
Cc: obra_women@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Women] Senior Women v. 1/2/3 Women
It seems that many crits are Senior Women (eg. Tigard, Vancouver, Swan Island, Franz, Giro), not Senior 1/2/3, but it's a mixed bag. Mt. Tabor is Senior Women as well. Road races tend to be regular categories (4/5 or 3/4 or 1/2/3) from what I can tell. Maybe it's a crit thing.
So it does seem that if it were Senior 1/2/3 women it would exclude any juniors who happen to be 1/2/3s. I'm not for that. Basically, it's confusing and shouldn't be!
I'd like it to be clear and easy. Or maybe it doesn't matter, since we've gone all this time and nobody has brought it up. I'd love for 3s to get scored separately. I'd love to have a larger competitive field. I'd like world peace.
I guess the more important thing is that ladies come out to race!
Stacy
On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Jen Akeroyd wrote:
Interesting! This could certainly give women more options. However, has anyone ever seen a race that specifies Senior Women without also stating 1/2/3? I haven't. Even the Oregon Cup states "Senior Women 1/2/3".
Is the idea to ask promoters to host Senior Women races without the 1/2/3 or 1/2 or 3 categorization? Does that mean an 18 year old cat 1/2 would be excluded from such an event? I have seen an "Open Women" category in which 1/2/3/4s can race together.
I will admit that I am a bit confused!:)
Jen Akeroyd
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From: fleibowitz@oregonstate.edu
To: obra_women@list.obra.org
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 14:08:55 -0700
Subject: Re: [OBRA Women] Senior Women v. 1/2/3 Women
This is a slightly different angle on this, I supppose. I wonder how the Cat 1-3 women feel about us cat 4's when we enter a race under Senior women or Open women race. On the one hand, I think folks aren't crazy about us 4's racing over our heads. I wonder how the gals in the Giro di Portlandia would have felt if Cat4's had come out, too. On the other, the category as defined as 19+ allows us to enter. It was very nice how welcoming the ladies were at the Tigard Crit and while that was nice, I don't know whether that's something to generalize.
Thoughts?
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From: obra_women-bounces@list.obra.org [obra_women-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Vivian Satterfield [viviansatterfield@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 1:08 PM
To: Stacy Westbrook
Cc: obra_women@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Women] Senior Women v. 1/2/3 Women
Interesting! I too was under the assumption that Senior Women = 1/2/3.
I'd advocate for Cat 3s to be scored separately as well. It's a steep jump from 4 to 3, since essentially there are only two fields that women may race in. Having Cat 3s race with the 1/2s but being scored separately may encourage more women to come out and race (and ask for their upgrades!).
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Stacy Westbrook wrote:
I just had an illuminating exchange with Kenji about the difference between Senior Women category races and 1/2/3 Women races. I'd been under the (false) impression that Senior Women = 1/2/3. Not so! In fact it means women 19+, so just no juniors.
95% of the time only 1/2/3 women sign up for Senior Women races, but sometimes get a handful of others and I was curious how folks feel about that. It's up to us to ask promoters to make the categories different if we want that to happen.
I know I'd like to see races for next season change to 1/2/3 Women. Even better, I'd love to see Cat 3 scored separately when possible.
Thoughts? It's up to us to ask for changes (and to show up to races in the first place).
Cheers,
Stacy
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