I had a similar indecent at the corner of SE 20th and Powell, I reported it to non-emergency 911 when I got to my destination- the dispatcher said if a driver threatens your life, it is a reportable offense and the she also said to pull out my camera or phone even if I couldn't hit record as that scares people off if you are afraid they might escalate the situation. I would assume that means in Oregon, you have the right to bear iPhones.
Jaime
Thanks everyone for the positive feedback and yes, next time, I will focus
some effort on getting a license plate. Since I was to his side when he
went insane the thought of getting his plates had already left my mind. But
enough excuses. I did call the police non-emergency line and the two
options seemed to be to have a police officer come to my location or not. I
went with not, so she said she'd note the incident, which I very much doubt
happened. A gopro would be nice for this but is also another hassle to take
on and off the bike.
To clarify a few things--I was northbound on Milwaukie Ave in the Brooklyn
neighborhood. When I came to Powell I got in the middle of three NB lanes,
which is the right of the two left-turn lanes onto Powell (from there I
turn north on 9th so I can hit the Lovejoy bakery on my way in and then the
path at OMSI). Taking the middle lane, I was on his left, since he was in
the rightmost lane going north. Sounds wonky but I'm certain it's the place
to be if you want to turn left in that situation. Normally I try to avoid
giving people an opportunity to run me over and I definitely was not going
to willingly sit in this guy's path of potential destruction.
Greg
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Dan H wrote:
> Greg, sorry you had a rage incident. Sounds like the guy Has issues.
> I have a question and suggestion. If you were on the right side of him to
> turn left, how did he open his door on you? Did he reach across or were you
> actually on his left?
> Suggestion: don't be along side anybody when turning. That's just asking
> for it. Be in front or behind. Those stupid green boxes would not be needed
> if cyclists simply stopped in the middle of the lane at an intersection and
> then drivers who want to turn right can simply pass you on the right.
> You're not in their way and they aren't in yours.
> Dan
>
> On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Greg Sanders wrote:
>
> > Around 7am I was biking north on 12th Ave and was clearly intentionally
> buzzed on an open road by a dude in a red truck. Gave him a "what was that
> for?" wave and he threw his hand up in response. I caught up to him at the
> light at Milwaukie and Powell and pulled into the right side of the left
> lane next to him, where I would need to be for my left turn. As I
> approached, he swung his door open violently in an attempt to hit me or
> show that he wanted to hit me. I got close enough and looked over to
> indicate that I wanted to talk and he rolled down his window. I focused all
> of my energy on remaining calm and collected and friendly because I had it
> in my head that that was the best approach. Here's how the conversation
> went.
> >
> > Me, calmly: "You're going to hurt someone driving like that."
> > Man in Truck, screaming: "You have to get out of the middle of the f*ing
> road you f*ing a*hole!"
> > Me: "I was as far right as I could be with cars and road
> inconsistencies."
> > MIT: "You were 6 feet into the road and don't even pay taxes!"
> > Me: "I do in fact pay taxes, drive a car, and have a license."
> > Me, still calmly: "You are going to kill someone driving like that, and
> they're going to be someone's mother, father, or kid."
> > MIT, still screaming: "Well a*holes like you deserve to die."
> > Me: "I really hope you have a great day."
> >
> > The conversation went about as well as I could have made it go but I
> gotta say it feels pretty crappy and it's distracting and a bit scary. Wish
> I would've gotten his license plate and video'd the interaction but I was
> too focused on keeping my cool. In any case, watch out for a dude in his
> early 40s with a goatee driving a big red truck around the Brooklyn
> neighborhood.
> >
> > Greg
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"What we have here, is a failure to communicate."
Back when I had more energy (and didnt worry as much about being shot) on a few occasions I was lucky enough to catch up (at lights) to motorists who treated in ways similar to those described in this thread. On each occasion, I invited (exhorted?) the vehicle's occupant to "step outside" so we could "resolve the issue." I am paraphrasing my invitation, but the point is that on each occasion I was refused. So predictable and unsatisfying. I'm guessing this isn't because the motorist was afraid to be held publicly accountable for his actions, but simply because he couldn't figure out how to open his door and/or unbuckle his belt. Pound as I might, I couldn't break the glass of the door window to help any of them, and I'm not sure what I would have been able to do to help them with the seat belt.
Now, for only $15, this need never happen to you!
By carrying this with you on every ride, you not only can get the added training benefit of climbing with nearly FIVE ADDITIONAL OUNCES, but can also rest assured that you will be able to assist motorists in exiting their vehicles expeditiously so you can have an appropriate dialog with them.
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With the $25 savings you will realize over the super-duper pepper-spray gun mentioned earlier in the thread, you can buy a nice pizza. Or several scrapers to remove undesired stickers from your OBRA membership card.
Faithfully submitted,
Douglas C. Neidermeyer, Sergeant at arms.
From: "kevin97116@yahoo.com" >
Reply-To: "kevin97116@yahoo.com" >
Date: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 9:07 PM
To: Dan H >, Greg Sanders >
Cc: "obra@list.obra.org" >
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Violent driver
If this were Facebook (glad it's not!) I'd be "liking" that message!
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What is happening in Kevin's corner of the bike world?
http://the-whir-of-spokes-in-air.blogspot.com
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________________________________
From: Dan H >
To: Greg Sanders >
Cc: "obra@list.obra.org" >
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Violent driver
Greg, sorry you had a rage incident. Sounds like the guy Has issues.
I have a question and suggestion. If you were on the right side of him to turn left, how did he open his door on you? Did he reach across or were you actually on his left?
Suggestion: don't be along side anybody when turning. That's just asking for it. Be in front or behind. Those stupid green boxes would not be needed if cyclists simply stopped in the middle of the lane at an intersection and then drivers who want to turn right can simply pass you on the right. You're not in their way and they aren't in yours.
Dan
If this were Facebook (glad it's not!) I'd be "liking" that message!
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
What is happening in Kevin's corner of the bike world?
http://the-whir-of-spokes-in-air.blogspot.com
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>________________________________
> From: Dan H
>To: Greg Sanders
>Cc: "obra@list.obra.org"
>Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 8:50 PM
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Violent driver
>
>Greg, sorry you had a rage incident. Sounds like the guy Has issues.
>I have a question and suggestion. If you were on the right side of him to turn left, how did he open his door on you? Did he reach across or were you actually on his left?
>Suggestion: don't be along side anybody when turning. That's just asking for it. Be in front or behind. Those stupid green boxes would not be needed if cyclists simply stopped in the middle of the lane at an intersection and then drivers who want to turn right can simply pass you on the right. You're not in their way and they aren't in yours.
>Dan
>
>
>
There is no expectation of privacy on a public road. Record and photograph all you want. It's a whole other deal if they are at home. Police are not lawyers.
Dan
On Aug 22, 2012, at 10:24 AM, Shane Gibson wrote:
> Incidentally - I had an aggro driver rear end me because as he stated (after screaming "I'm going to rip your eff-ing head off your eff-ing motha eff-ing shoulders and sh*t down your eff-ing motha eff-ing neck") ... I stopped 6 car lengths back to let cars in front of me turn left. So - I did leave a little space - maybe 3 car lengths - but clearly more than his blood pressure threshold was capable of handling. That resulted in his determination of a best response; smash into the back of me.
>
> I called 911 as he's screaming this, and recorded the incident on my camera phone. The police told me I was in violation of his civil liberties by not notifying him I was recording the incident. Frankly - I think the officer was full of it. There are cameras everywehre recording us already. Especially since this person was basically stating he was ready to kill me over the incident.
>
> Just something to think about ... check out the law before you start recording someone during an incident. It'd be absurd, but not beyond the bounds of our whacked out legal system, for something to be thrown out if you didn't notify the offending person prior to recording the incident.
>
> ~~shane
>
> --
> "Opportunities multiply as they are seized." - Sun Tzu
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:14 AM, wrote:
> I'm starting to believe a GoPro recording commutes is the only way to go. $250 is cheap insurance for the cyclist to ensure people like this pay the price for this type of road rage. It's hard to prove otherwise, but a full recording for the officers to view would seal the fate of these a-holes!
>
> My 2cents
> GC
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Greg Sanders wrote:
>
> > Around 7am I was biking north on 12th Ave and was clearly intentionally buzzed on an open road by a dude in a red truck. Gave him a "what was that for?" wave and he threw his hand up in response. I caught up to him at the light at Milwaukie and Powell and pulled into the right side of the left lane next to him, where I would need to be for my left turn. As I approached, he swung his door open violently in an attempt to hit me or show that he wanted to hit me. I got close enough and looked over to indicate that I wanted to talk and he rolled down his window. I focused all of my energy on remaining calm and collected and friendly because I had it in my head that that was the best approach. Here's how the conversation went.
> >
> > Me, calmly: "You're going to hurt someone driving like that."
> > Man in Truck, screaming: "You have to get out of the middle of the f*ing road you f*ing a*hole!"
> > Me: "I was as far right as I could be with cars and road inconsistencies."
> > MIT: "You were 6 feet into the road and don't even pay taxes!"
> > Me: "I do in fact pay taxes, drive a car, and have a license."
> > Me, still calmly: "You are going to kill someone driving like that, and they're going to be someone's mother, father, or kid."
> > MIT, still screaming: "Well a*holes like you deserve to die."
> > Me: "I really hope you have a great day."
> >
> > The conversation went about as well as I could have made it go but I gotta say it feels pretty crappy and it's distracting and a bit scary. Wish I would've gotten his license plate and video'd the interaction but I was too focused on keeping my cool. In any case, watch out for a dude in his early 40s with a goatee driving a big red truck around the Brooklyn neighborhood.
> >
> > Greg
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Greg, sorry you had a rage incident. Sounds like the guy Has issues.
I have a question and suggestion. If you were on the right side of him to turn left, how did he open his door on you? Did he reach across or were you actually on his left?
Suggestion: don't be along side anybody when turning. That's just asking for it. Be in front or behind. Those stupid green boxes would not be needed if cyclists simply stopped in the middle of the lane at an intersection and then drivers who want to turn right can simply pass you on the right. You're not in their way and they aren't in yours.
Dan
On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Greg Sanders wrote:
> Around 7am I was biking north on 12th Ave and was clearly intentionally buzzed on an open road by a dude in a red truck. Gave him a "what was that for?" wave and he threw his hand up in response. I caught up to him at the light at Milwaukie and Powell and pulled into the right side of the left lane next to him, where I would need to be for my left turn. As I approached, he swung his door open violently in an attempt to hit me or show that he wanted to hit me. I got close enough and looked over to indicate that I wanted to talk and he rolled down his window. I focused all of my energy on remaining calm and collected and friendly because I had it in my head that that was the best approach. Here's how the conversation went.
>
> Me, calmly: "You're going to hurt someone driving like that."
> Man in Truck, screaming: "You have to get out of the middle of the f*ing road you f*ing a*hole!"
> Me: "I was as far right as I could be with cars and road inconsistencies."
> MIT: "You were 6 feet into the road and don't even pay taxes!"
> Me: "I do in fact pay taxes, drive a car, and have a license."
> Me, still calmly: "You are going to kill someone driving like that, and they're going to be someone's mother, father, or kid."
> MIT, still screaming: "Well a*holes like you deserve to die."
> Me: "I really hope you have a great day."
>
> The conversation went about as well as I could have made it go but I gotta say it feels pretty crappy and it's distracting and a bit scary. Wish I would've gotten his license plate and video'd the interaction but I was too focused on keeping my cool. In any case, watch out for a dude in his early 40s with a goatee driving a big red truck around the Brooklyn neighborhood.
>
> Greg
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I'm going to add my two cents worth to the core issue: Violent behavior aimed towards cyclists. Making threats of physical damage is called "assault" and it is a crime. ( Let the legal beagles work on that if they like. ) My experience is that people who make threats are 1) stupid and 2) crazy. Not a good combination. You also have to be aware that there a lot of people out there cranked up on meth. This adds a third dimension to the problem.
So be very aware of your surroundings. I worked out a simple ride plan years ago: Assume they are out to get you and ride accordingly.
As far as recording the event, it is clear (to me) that recording life-threatening behavior is not only legal, it is praise-worthy.
5(a) engaging in a felony that endangers human life is exempt.
On 8/22/12, Gregg Magnus wrote:
>
> Well since I am "not the authorirty on law," but have a pretty darn good
> grasp on crimes and what laws people break to constitute a criminal offense
> below is the ORS that pertains to this subject. And for that matter when I
> don't know, I know where to go and look. A couple things regarding this
> law, it is still on the books however some jurisdictions will not prosecute
> it, I am guessing that is due to the ease of making an audio/video recording
> with cell phones that was non existent when this law was written. Susan
> your example has to fall back to a resonableness standard, would it be
> reasonable to advise someone of the device? No probably not but thats my
> "not the authority on law" opinion. Its section C that relates to our
> discussion here. Happy reading. Gregg 165.540
> Obtaining contents of communications(1) Except as otherwise provided in ORS
> 133.724 (Order for interception of communications) or 133.726 (Interception
> of oral communication without order) or subsections (2) to (7) of this
> section, a person may not: (a) Obtain or attempt to obtain the whole or any
> part of a telecommunication or a radio communication to which the person is
> not a participant, by means of any device, contrivance, machine or
> apparatus, whether electrical, mechanical, manual or otherwise, unless
> consent is given by at least one participant. (b) Tamper with the wires,
> connections, boxes, fuses, circuits, lines or any other equipment or
> facilities of a telecommunication or radio communication company over which
> messages are transmitted, with the intent to obtain unlawfully the contents
> of a telecommunication or radio communication to which the person is not a
> participant. (c) Obtain or attempt to obtain the whole or any part of a
> conversation by means of any device, contrivance, machine or apparatus,
> whether electrical, mechanical, manual or otherwise, if not all participants
> in the conversation are specifically informed that their conversation is
> being obtained. (d) Obtain the whole or any part of a conversation,
> telecommunication or radio communication from any person, while knowing or
> having good reason to believe that the conversation, telecommunication or
> radio communication was initially obtained in a manner prohibited by this
> section. (e) Use or attempt to use, or divulge to others, any conversation,
> telecommunication or radio communication obtained by any means prohibited by
> this section. (2)(a) The prohibitions in subsection (1)(a), (b) and (c) of
> this section do not apply to: (A) Officers, employees or agents of a
> telecommunication or radio communication company who perform the acts
> prohibited by subsection (1)(a), (b) and (c) of this section for the purpose
> of construction, maintenance or conducting of their telecommunication or
> radio communication service, facilities or equipment. (B) Public officials
> in charge of and at jails, police premises, sheriffs offices, Department of
> Corrections institutions and other penal or correctional institutions,
> except as to communications or conversations between an attorney and the
> client of the attorney. (b) Officers, employees or agents of a
> telecommunication or radio communication company who obtain information
> under paragraph (a) of this subsection may not use or attempt to use, or
> divulge to others, the information except for the purpose of construction,
> maintenance, or conducting of their telecommunication or radio communication
> service, facilities or equipment. (3) The prohibitions in subsection (1)(a),
> (b) or (c) of this section do not apply to subscribers or members of their
> family who perform the acts prohibited in subsection (1) of this section in
> their homes. (4) The prohibitions in subsection (1)(a) of this section do
> not apply to the receiving or obtaining of the contents of any radio or
> television broadcast transmitted for the use of the general public. (5) The
> prohibitions in subsection (1)(c) of this section do not apply to: (a) A
> person who records a conversation during a felony that endangers human life;
> (b) A person who, pursuant to ORS 133.400 (Recording of custodial
> interviews), records an interview conducted by a peace officer in a law
> enforcement facility; (c) A law enforcement officer who is in uniform and
> displaying a badge and who is operating a vehicle-mounted video camera that
> records the scene in front of, within or surrounding a police vehicle,
> unless the officer has reasonable opportunity to inform participants in the
> conversation that the conversation is being obtained; or (d) A law
> enforcement officer who, acting in the officers official capacity, deploys
> an Electro-Muscular Disruption Technology device that contains a built-in
> monitoring system capable of recording audio or video, for the duration of
> that deployment. (6) The prohibitions in subsection (1)(c) of this section
> do not apply to persons who intercept or attempt to intercept with an
> unconcealed recording device the oral communications that are part of any of
> the following proceedings: (a) Public or semipublic meetings such as
> hearings before governmental or quasi-governmental bodies, trials, press
> conferences, public speeches, rallies and sporting or other events; (b)
> Regularly scheduled classes or similar educational activities in public or
> private institutions; or (c) Private meetings or conferences if all others
> involved knew or reasonably should have known that the recording was being
> made. (7) The prohibitions in subsection (1)(a), (c), (d) and (e) of this
> section do not apply to any: (a) Radio communication that is transmitted by
> a station operating on an authorized frequency within the amateur or
> citizens bands; or (b) Person who intercepts a radio communication that is
> transmitted by any governmental, law enforcement, civil defense or public
> safety communications system, including police and fire, readily accessible
> to the general public provided that the interception is not for purposes of
> illegal activity. (8) Violation of subsection (1) or (2)(b) of this section
> is a Class A misdemeanor.
> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:16:23 -0700
> From: kevin97116@yahoo.com
> To: grantcollins@ymail.com
> CC: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Violent driver
>
> with all due respect, officers are not the authority on law.
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE too smartphone
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject:Re: [OBRA Chat] Violent driver
> From :grantcollins@ymail.com
> Date :Wed, 22-Aug-2012 15:06
> To :"grantcollins@ymail.com"
> CC :""
>
> I verified with a law enforcement officer in the PDX area that public video
> taping someone without their consent or knowledge is in fact completely
> legal in all aspects.
> "you are not allowed to record officers or firefighters in the course of
> their duties without their consent"
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 22, 2012, at 2:54 PM, grantcollins@ymail.com wrote:
>
> I can't believe there is any such law stating you have to say your
> recording. Every ATM, cross walk and store front in America is recording
> you. Can you imagine the News station at a football game notifying every
> individual they are being recorded. I would challenge any such law any day
> of the week. Where are the Obra attorneys?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 22, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Tom Bird wrote:
>
> I can see it now all the mountain bikers on Sandy Ridge and Blackrock have
> to wear signs indicating: "Riding with audio video recording device! Clear
> the way or implicit permission is given to record"
> On Aug 22, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Susan Otcenas"
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Gregg,
>
> Does this hold true if you are videoing as you are riding
> along, and an altercation happens while you were already running the
> camera? In other words, if someone cuts you off, you go down, and the
> subsequent aftermath is passively picked up by the already running camera,
> is
> there some danger that you can not use that audio & video in pursuit of
> damages against the person who harmed you? Might you even be cited for
> failing to inform someone that they were being recorded (even though you
> might
> be lying on the ground injured?)
>
> Susan
>
>
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Well since I am "not the authorirty on law," but have a pretty darn good grasp on crimes and what laws people break to constitute a criminal offense below is the ORS that pertains to this subject. And for that matter when I don't know, I know where to go and look. A couple things regarding this law, it is still on the books however some jurisdictions will not prosecute it, I am guessing that is due to the ease of making an audio/video recording with cell phones that was non existent when this law was written. Susan your example has to fall back to a resonableness standard, would it be reasonable to advise someone of the device? No probably not but thats my "not the authority on law" opinion. Its section C that relates to our discussion here. Happy reading. Gregg 165.540
Obtaining contents of communications(1) Except as otherwise provided in ORS 133.724 (Order for interception of communications) or 133.726 (Interception of oral communication without order) or subsections (2) to (7) of this section, a person may not: (a) Obtain or attempt to obtain the whole or any part of a telecommunication or a radio communication to which the person is not a participant, by means of any device, contrivance, machine or apparatus, whether electrical, mechanical, manual or otherwise, unless consent is given by at least one participant. (b) Tamper with the wires, connections, boxes, fuses, circuits, lines or any other equipment or facilities of a telecommunication or radio communication company over which messages are transmitted, with the intent to obtain unlawfully the contents of a telecommunication or radio communication to which the person is not a participant. (c) Obtain or attempt to obtain the whole or any part of a conversation by means of any device, contrivance, machine or apparatus, whether electrical, mechanical, manual or otherwise, if not all participants in the conversation are specifically informed that their conversation is being obtained. (d) Obtain the whole or any part of a conversation, telecommunication or radio communication from any person, while knowing or having good reason to believe that the conversation, telecommunication or radio communication was initially obtained in a manner prohibited by this section. (e) Use or attempt to use, or divulge to others, any conversation, telecommunication or radio communication obtained by any means prohibited by this section. (2)(a) The prohibitions in subsection (1)(a), (b) and (c) of this section do not apply to: (A) Officers, employees or agents of a telecommunication or radio communication company who perform the acts prohibited by subsection (1)(a), (b) and (c) of this section for the purpose of construction, maintenance or conducting of their telecommunication or radio communication service, facilities or equipment. (B) Public officials in charge of and at jails, police premises, sheriffs offices, Department of Corrections institutions and other penal or correctional institutions, except as to communications or conversations between an attorney and the client of the attorney. (b) Officers, employees or agents of a telecommunication or radio communication company who obtain information under paragraph (a) of this subsection may not use or attempt to use, or divulge to others, the information except for the purpose of construction, maintenance, or conducting of their telecommunication or radio communication service, facilities or equipment. (3) The prohibitions in subsection (1)(a), (b) or (c) of this section do not apply to subscribers or members of their family who perform the acts prohibited in subsection (1) of this section in their homes. (4) The prohibitions in subsection (1)(a) of this section do not apply to the receiving or obtaining of the contents of any radio or television broadcast transmitted for the use of the general public. (5) The prohibitions in subsection (1)(c) of this section do not apply to: (a) A person who records a conversation during a felony that endangers human life; (b) A person who, pursuant to ORS 133.400 (Recording of custodial interviews), records an interview conducted by a peace officer in a law enforcement facility; (c) A law enforcement officer who is in uniform and displaying a badge and who is operating a vehicle-mounted video camera that records the scene in front of, within or surrounding a police vehicle, unless the officer has reasonable opportunity to inform participants in the conversation that the conversation is being obtained; or (d) A law enforcement officer who, acting in the officers official capacity, deploys an Electro-Muscular Disruption Technology device that contains a built-in monitoring system capable of recording audio or video, for the duration of that deployment. (6) The prohibitions in subsection (1)(c) of this section do not apply to persons who intercept or attempt to intercept with an unconcealed recording device the oral communications that are part of any of the following proceedings: (a) Public or semipublic meetings such as hearings before governmental or quasi-governmental bodies, trials, press conferences, public speeches, rallies and sporting or other events; (b) Regularly scheduled classes or similar educational activities in public or private institutions; or (c) Private meetings or conferences if all others involved knew or reasonably should have known that the recording was being made. (7) The prohibitions in subsection (1)(a), (c), (d) and (e) of this section do not apply to any: (a) Radio communication that is transmitted by a station operating on an authorized frequency within the amateur or citizens bands; or (b) Person who intercepts a radio communication that is transmitted by any governmental, law enforcement, civil defense or public safety communications system, including police and fire, readily accessible to the general public provided that the interception is not for purposes of illegal activity. (8) Violation of subsection (1) or (2)(b) of this section is a Class A misdemeanor.
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:16:23 -0700
From: kevin97116@yahoo.com
To: grantcollins@ymail.com
CC: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Violent driver
with all due respect, officers are not the authority on law.
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>From :grantcollins@ymail.com
Date :Wed, 22-Aug-2012 15:06
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I verified with a law enforcement officer in the PDX area that public video taping someone without their consent or knowledge is in fact completely legal in all aspects.
"you are not allowed to record officers or firefighters in the course of their duties without their consent"
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On Aug 22, 2012, at 2:54 PM, grantcollins@ymail.com wrote:
I can't believe there is any such law stating you have to say your recording. Every ATM, cross walk and store front in America is recording you. Can you imagine the News station at a football game notifying every individual they are being recorded. I would challenge any such law any day of the week. Where are the Obra attorneys?
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On Aug 22, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Tom Bird wrote:
I can see it now all the mountain bikers on Sandy Ridge and Blackrock have to wear signs indicating: "Riding with audio video recording device! Clear the way or implicit permission is given to record"
On Aug 22, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Susan Otcenas" wrote:
Gregg,
Does this hold true if you are videoing as you are riding
along, and an altercation happens while you were already running the
camera? In other words, if someone cuts you off, you go down, and the
subsequent aftermath is passively picked up by the already running camera, is
there some danger that you can not use that audio & video in pursuit of
damages against the person who harmed you? Might you even be cited for
failing to inform someone that they were being recorded (even though you might
be lying on the ground injured?)
Susan
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Susan Otcenas
Team Estrogen, Inc.
www.TeamEstrogen.com
877-310-4592
***********************************************
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I recall just a few months ago, the Supreme Court of the United States
ruled on a case "legalizing" the filming of police officers in the course
of their duties. I can't cite the exact case, but I'm sure Mr. Google can
give you the answer. As to the discussion of filming random people I can't
add much that hasn't been stated already except to echo that as a
photographer, public place = no expectation of privacy.
Michael Medina
When I read this guy said you deserved to die, I couldn't help but respond that I've had a non-cyclist say that to me, too. I was in the dressing room where I change clothes after commuting by bike to work. A non-cyclist walked deliberately up to me to carry on about how the poor young girl who was killed in the right-hook incident deserved to die. She said it multiple times with a look of hate. The only thing in her tirade that related a negative personal experience for her was that she has seen cyclists not come to complete stops at intersections or wait their turn. I am still haunted by this professional woman who can carry such vitriolic views toward cyclists. I, too, have had people yell at me about getting a license and paying taxes. Is there some anti-cycling blog out there where these sorts of notions are dispensed?! If we are injured by such a person, does it constitute a hate crime?
Has anyone out there wondered whether, if we expressed our concerns, the Oregonian would run a series of -- for the lack of a better phrase -- cycling education articles that dispel some of the myths these anti-cycling folks hold so close to heart? I feel like the Oregonian's emphasis on the cyclist that darted in front of the bus (resulting in a very serious injury to a bus rider) hurt us all terribly. But maybe that's just my fear talking. I have also seen my share of cyclists running red lights and causing cars to throw on their brakes. They are out there but, as I told my locker-room acquaintance, just like there are different types of automobile drivers, there are different types of cyclists. It fell on deaf ears.
I am afraid when I ride. More so since my locker-room acquaintance lost it that morning.
Maggie
> From: ben.fischler@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:27:04 -0700
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Violent driver
>
> Great job Greg for keeping cool and civil in a situation that clearly could have escalated badly.
>
> RE: GoPro etc. I've got a co-worker friend in SF who commutes in the city every day and he had enough close calls that he's been video'ing his rides every day. The camera ALONE diffuses a lot of situations and he's been able to bust a few people for really dangerous driving.
>
> If you're commuting by bike every day in problem situations I'd say it's definitely worth it. That and knowing how to get to your phone's camera function in a hurry.
>
> -Ben
>
> AnimationMentor.com
> [ ben.fischler@gmail.com ]
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:14 AM, grantcollins@ymail.com wrote:
>
> > I'm starting to believe a GoPro recording commutes is the only way to go. $250 is cheap insurance for the cyclist to ensure people like this pay the price for this type of road rage. It's hard to prove otherwise, but a full recording for the officers to view would seal the fate of these a-holes!
> >
> > My 2cents
> > GC
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Greg Sanders wrote:
> >
> >> Around 7am I was biking north on 12th Ave and was clearly intentionally buzzed on an open road by a dude in a red truck. Gave him a "what was that for?" wave and he threw his hand up in response. I caught up to him at the light at Milwaukie and Powell and pulled into the right side of the left lane next to him, where I would need to be for my left turn. As I approached, he swung his door open violently in an attempt to hit me or show that he wanted to hit me. I got close enough and looked over to indicate that I wanted to talk and he rolled down his window. I focused all of my energy on remaining calm and collected and friendly because I had it in my head that that was the best approach. Here's how the conversation went.
> >>
> >> Me, calmly: "You're going to hurt someone driving like that."
> >> Man in Truck, screaming: "You have to get out of the middle of the f*ing road you f*ing a*hole!"
> >> Me: "I was as far right as I could be with cars and road inconsistencies."
> >> MIT: "You were 6 feet into the road and don't even pay taxes!"
> >> Me: "I do in fact pay taxes, drive a car, and have a license."
> >> Me, still calmly: "You are going to kill someone driving like that, and they're going to be someone's mother, father, or kid."
> >> MIT, still screaming: "Well a*holes like you deserve to die."
> >> Me: "I really hope you have a great day."
> >>
> >> The conversation went about as well as I could have made it go but I gotta say it feels pretty crappy and it's distracting and a bit scary. Wish I would've gotten his license plate and video'd the interaction but I was too focused on keeping my cool. In any case, watch out for a dude in his early 40s with a goatee driving a big red truck around the Brooklyn neighborhood.
> >>
> >> Greg
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Still limiting. I, and many of us, routinely go out all day. Even if we were lucky enough to catch a perpetrator on a video clip law enforcement is not always interested in seeing the clip, or pursuing a case.
Still, it's better than nothing.
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> From: T. Kenji Sugahara
>To: "" ; Susan Otcenas
>Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 3:19 PM
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>
>From the friendly folks at GoPro
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>To: kenji@obra.org
>
>
>Let team estrogen know, that all they need is the battery bac pac and
>a 32gig card. you pull about 10min per gig, and the bac pac battery
>kit will run camera for 4 hours.
>
>they can also go 64gig card, but they do run the risk of file
>corruption because not many class 10 64gig cards are available to the
>average consumer.
>
>woohoo
>
>
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Violent driver
To: kenji@obra.org
Let team estrogen know, that all they need is the battery bac pac and
a 32gig card. you pull about 10min per gig, and the bac pac battery
kit will run camera for 4 hours.
they can also go 64gig card, but they do run the risk of file
corruption because not many class 10 64gig cards are available to the
average consumer.
woohoo
--
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Executive Director
Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
Phone: 503-278-5550
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with all due respect, officers are not the authority on law.
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Subject:Re: [OBRA Chat] Violent driver
From :grantcollins@ymail.com
Date :Wed, 22-Aug-2012 15:06
To :"grantcollins@ymail.com"
CC :""
I can't believe there is any such law stating you have to say your recording. Every ATM, cross walk and store front in America is recording you. Can you imagine the News station at a football game notifying every individual they are being recorded. I would challenge any such law any day of the week. Where are the Obra attorneys?
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I can see it now all the mountain bikers on Sandy Ridge and Blackrock have to wear signs indicating: Â "Riding with audio video recording device! Â Clear the way or implicit permission is given to record"
Gregg,
ÂDoes this hold true if you are videoing as you are riding
along, and an altercation happens while you were already running the
camera? In other words, if someone cuts you off, you go down, and the
subsequent aftermath is passively picked up by the already running camera, is
there some danger that you can not use that audio & video in pursuit of
damages against the person who harmed you? Might you even be cited for
failing to inform someone that they were being recorded (even though you might
be lying on the ground injured?)
ÂSusanÂ***********************************************Susan OtcenasTeam Estrogen, Inc.
877-310-4592***********************************************
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As far as I know, you can film, video, and audio record anything and
anywhere while on public property, for personal use, and not need consent.
That includes whatever activities are taking place on private property in
the background. So if you're filming your dog in a park and there's a
couple kids across the street in a front yard playing in a sprinkler and
they happen to be in the shot, then so be it. You can even film cops,
emergency workers, firefighters, so long as you're not interfering. That's
what I learned in film school. I can't quote any statutes, though...
Distribution of that material is another story. And of course it's up to
the judge to determine what can be used as evidence (thanks Perry Mason).
Shove a camera in a guys face and film away next time. See how much of a
dick he can really be...
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:54 PM, wrote:
> I can't believe there is any such law stating you have to say your
> recording. Every ATM, cross walk and store front in America is recording
> you. Can you imagine the News station at a football game notifying every
> individual they are being recorded. I would challenge any such law any day
> of the week. Where are the Obra attorneys?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 22, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Tom Bird wrote:
>
> I can see it now all the mountain bikers on Sandy Ridge and Blackrock have
> to wear signs indicating: "Riding with audio video recording device!
> Clear the way or implicit permission is given to record"
>
> On Aug 22, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Susan Otcenas"
> wrote:
>
> Gregg,
>
> Does this hold true if you are videoing as you are riding along, and an
> altercation happens while you were already running the camera? In other
> words, if someone cuts you off, you go down, and the subsequent aftermath
> is passively picked up by the already running camera, is there some danger
> that you can not use that audio & video in pursuit of damages against the
> person who harmed you? Might you even be cited for failing to inform
> someone that they were being recorded (even though you might be lying on
> the ground injured?)
>
> Susan
>
> ***********************************************
> Susan Otcenas
> Team Estrogen, Inc.
> www.TeamEstrogen.com
> 877-310-4592
> ***********************************************
>
>
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I verified with a law enforcement officer in the PDX area that public video taping someone without their consent or knowledge is in fact completely legal in all aspects.
"you are not allowed to record officers or firefighters in the course of their duties without their consent"
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On Aug 22, 2012, at 2:54 PM, grantcollins@ymail.com wrote:
> I can't believe there is any such law stating you have to say your recording. Every ATM, cross walk and store front in America is recording you. Can you imagine the News station at a football game notifying every individual they are being recorded. I would challenge any such law any day of the week. Where are the Obra attorneys?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 22, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Tom Bird wrote:
>
>> I can see it now all the mountain bikers on Sandy Ridge and Blackrock have to wear signs indicating: "Riding with audio video recording device! Clear the way or implicit permission is given to record"
>>
>> On Aug 22, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Susan Otcenas" wrote:
>>
>>> Gregg,
>>>
>>> Does this hold true if you are videoing as you are riding along, and an altercation happens while you were already running the camera? In other words, if someone cuts you off, you go down, and the subsequent aftermath is passively picked up by the already running camera, is there some danger that you can not use that audio & video in pursuit of damages against the person who harmed you? Might you even be cited for failing to inform someone that they were being recorded (even though you might be lying on the ground injured?)
>>>
>>> Susan
>>>
>>> ***********************************************
>>> Susan Otcenas
>>> Team Estrogen, Inc.
>>> www.TeamEstrogen.com
>>> 877-310-4592
>>> ***********************************************
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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I can't believe there is any such law stating you have to say your recording. Every ATM, cross walk and store front in America is recording you. Can you imagine the News station at a football game notifying every individual they are being recorded. I would challenge any such law any day of the week. Where are the Obra attorneys?
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On Aug 22, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Tom Bird wrote:
> I can see it now all the mountain bikers on Sandy Ridge and Blackrock have to wear signs indicating: "Riding with audio video recording device! Clear the way or implicit permission is given to record"
>
> On Aug 22, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Susan Otcenas" wrote:
>
>> Gregg,
>>
>> Does this hold true if you are videoing as you are riding along, and an altercation happens while you were already running the camera? In other words, if someone cuts you off, you go down, and the subsequent aftermath is passively picked up by the already running camera, is there some danger that you can not use that audio & video in pursuit of damages against the person who harmed you? Might you even be cited for failing to inform someone that they were being recorded (even though you might be lying on the ground injured?)
>>
>> Susan
>>
>> ***********************************************
>> Susan Otcenas
>> Team Estrogen, Inc.
>> www.TeamEstrogen.com
>> 877-310-4592
>> ***********************************************
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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I can see it now all the mountain bikers on Sandy Ridge and Blackrock have to wear signs indicating: "Riding with audio video recording device! Clear the way or implicit permission is given to record"
On Aug 22, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Susan Otcenas" wrote:
> Gregg,
>
> Does this hold true if you are videoing as you are riding along, and an altercation happens while you were already running the camera? In other words, if someone cuts you off, you go down, and the subsequent aftermath is passively picked up by the already running camera, is there some danger that you can not use that audio & video in pursuit of damages against the person who harmed you? Might you even be cited for failing to inform someone that they were being recorded (even though you might be lying on the ground injured?)
>
> Susan
>
> ***********************************************
> Susan Otcenas
> Team Estrogen, Inc.
> www.TeamEstrogen.com
> 877-310-4592
> ***********************************************
>>
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Gregg,
Does this hold true if you are videoing as you are riding along, and an
altercation happens while you were already running the camera? In other
words, if someone cuts you off, you go down, and the subsequent
aftermath is passively picked up by the already running camera, is there
some danger that you can not use that audio & video in pursuit of
damages against the person who harmed you? Might you even be cited for
failing to inform someone that they were being recorded (even though you
might be lying on the ground injured?)
Susan
***********************************************
Susan Otcenas
Team Estrogen, Inc.
www.TeamEstrogen.com
877-310-4592
***********************************************
Just to throw in my 2 cents. You don't have to notify someone you are
recording them if you are using a device that clearly indicates someone is
being recorded. Meaning if you hold a microphone up to someone you don't
have to tell them they are being recorded because the microphone announces
that it is a recording device. Same goes for a tape recorder or video
camera. Gets a little fuzzy when you are talking about cell phones that
record audio or helmet cams.
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Gregg Magnus wrote:
> You can make audio recordings of people in person however you must tell
> them you are making the audio recording, you don't need permission you have
> to say you are recording it. For those that have ever been stopped by a
> police officer with a recording device that's why the first thing they say
> is this is being audio and video recorded.
>
> There is an law that you can be arrested for if you do make an audio
> recording without notifying those who are being audio recorded. Understand
> audio not video and not pictures.
>
> Hope that helps clarify.
>
> Gregg
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 22, 2012, at 10:54, Gerard Smith
> wrote:
>
> I dont think Oregon has a 'consent of parties' law in conversations
> so if the recording was in public and in plain sight then I dont see it
> has anything to do with civil liberties. The lawyers on here will know
> better - thats just my understanding ( possibly wrong? )
>
> Scott:
> http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/10/if_an_oregon_police_officer_is.html
>
> You can record them too, but the law is a little hazy
>
> From: Scott Jones
> Date: Wednesday, 22 August 2012 10:46 AM
> To: Shane Gibson
> Cc: "obra@list.obra.org"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Violent driver
>
> If the officer stated that it violates his civil liberty to video him,
> then why are police able to video traffic stops? Is that not a violation on
> my civil liberties? I think he was full of it and probably wanted to side
> with the driver.
>
> -Scott
> On Aug 22, 2012 10:26 AM, "Shane Gibson" wrote:
>
>> Incidentally - I had an aggro driver rear end me because as he stated
>> (after screaming "I'm going to rip your eff-ing head off your eff-ing motha
>> eff-ing shoulders and sh*t down your eff-ing motha eff-ing neck") ... I
>> stopped 6 car lengths back to let cars in front of me turn left. So - I
>> did leave a little space - maybe 3 car lengths - but clearly more than his
>> blood pressure threshold was capable of handling. That resulted in his
>> determination of a best response; smash into the back of me.
>>
>> I called 911 as he's screaming this, and recorded the incident on my
>> camera phone. The police told me I was in violation of his civil liberties
>> by not notifying him I was recording the incident. Frankly - I think the
>> officer was full of it. There are cameras everywehre recording us already.
>> Especially since this person was basically stating he was ready to kill me
>> over the incident.
>>
>> Just something to think about ... check out the law before you start
>> recording someone during an incident. It'd be absurd, but not beyond the
>> bounds of our whacked out legal system, for something to be thrown out if
>> you didn't notify the offending person prior to recording the incident.
>>
>> ~~shane
>>
>> --
>> "Opportunities multiply as they are seized." - Sun Tzu
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:14 AM, wrote:
>>
>>> I'm starting to believe a GoPro recording commutes is the only way to
>>> go. $250 is cheap insurance for the cyclist to ensure people like this pay
>>> the price for this type of road rage. It's hard to prove otherwise, but a
>>> full recording for the officers to view would seal the fate of these
>>> a-holes!
>>>
>>> My 2cents
>>> GC
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Greg Sanders wrote:
>>>
>>> > Around 7am I was biking north on 12th Ave and was clearly
>>> intentionally buzzed on an open road by a dude in a red truck. Gave him a
>>> "what was that for?" wave and he threw his hand up in response. I caught up
>>> to him at the light at Milwaukie and Powell and pulled into the right side
>>> of the left lane next to him, where I would need to be for my left turn. As
>>> I approached, he swung his door open violently in an attempt to hit me or
>>> show that he wanted to hit me. I got close enough and looked over to
>>> indicate that I wanted to talk and he rolled down his window. I focused all
>>> of my energy on remaining calm and collected and friendly because I had it
>>> in my head that that was the best approach. Here's how the conversation
>>> went.
>>> >
>>> > Me, calmly: "You're going to hurt someone driving like that."
>>> > Man in Truck, screaming: "You have to get out of the middle of the
>>> f*ing road you f*ing a*hole!"
>>> > Me: "I was as far right as I could be with cars and road
>>> inconsistencies."
>>> > MIT: "You were 6 feet into the road and don't even pay taxes!"
>>> > Me: "I do in fact pay taxes, drive a car, and have a license."
>>> > Me, still calmly: "You are going to kill someone driving like that,
>>> and they're going to be someone's mother, father, or kid."
>>> > MIT, still screaming: "Well a*holes like you deserve to die."
>>> > Me: "I really hope you have a great day."
>>> >
>>> > The conversation went about as well as I could have made it go but I
>>> gotta say it feels pretty crappy and it's distracting and a bit scary. Wish
>>> I would've gotten his license plate and video'd the interaction but I was
>>> too focused on keeping my cool. In any case, watch out for a dude in his
>>> early 40s with a goatee driving a big red truck around the Brooklyn
>>> neighborhood.
>>> >
>>> > Greg
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An example would be tv and the news. They don't notify ever person in the picture they are being video taped in public.
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On Aug 22, 2012, at 10:46 AM, Scott Jones wrote:
> If the officer stated that it violates his civil liberty to video him, then why are police able to video traffic stops? Is that not a violation on my civil liberties? I think he was full of it and probably wanted to side with the driver.
>
> -Scott
>
> On Aug 22, 2012 10:26 AM, "Shane Gibson" wrote:
> Incidentally - I had an aggro driver rear end me because as he stated (after screaming "I'm going to rip your eff-ing head off your eff-ing motha eff-ing shoulders and sh*t down your eff-ing motha eff-ing neck") ... I stopped 6 car lengths back to let cars in front of me turn left. So - I did leave a little space - maybe 3 car lengths - but clearly more than his blood pressure threshold was capable of handling. That resulted in his determination of a best response; smash into the back of me.
>
> I called 911 as he's screaming this, and recorded the incident on my camera phone. The police told me I was in violation of his civil liberties by not notifying him I was recording the incident. Frankly - I think the officer was full of it. There are cameras everywehre recording us already. Especially since this person was basically stating he was ready to kill me over the incident.
>
> Just something to think about ... check out the law before you start recording someone during an incident. It'd be absurd, but not beyond the bounds of our whacked out legal system, for something to be thrown out if you didn't notify the offending person prior to recording the incident.
>
> ~~shane
>
> --
> "Opportunities multiply as they are seized." - Sun Tzu
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:14 AM, wrote:
> I'm starting to believe a GoPro recording commutes is the only way to go. $250 is cheap insurance for the cyclist to ensure people like this pay the price for this type of road rage. It's hard to prove otherwise, but a full recording for the officers to view would seal the fate of these a-holes!
>
> My 2cents
> GC
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Greg Sanders wrote:
>
> > Around 7am I was biking north on 12th Ave and was clearly intentionally buzzed on an open road by a dude in a red truck. Gave him a "what was that for?" wave and he threw his hand up in response. I caught up to him at the light at Milwaukie and Powell and pulled into the right side of the left lane next to him, where I would need to be for my left turn. As I approached, he swung his door open violently in an attempt to hit me or show that he wanted to hit me. I got close enough and looked over to indicate that I wanted to talk and he rolled down his window. I focused all of my energy on remaining calm and collected and friendly because I had it in my head that that was the best approach. Here's how the conversation went.
> >
> > Me, calmly: "You're going to hurt someone driving like that."
> > Man in Truck, screaming: "You have to get out of the middle of the f*ing road you f*ing a*hole!"
> > Me: "I was as far right as I could be with cars and road inconsistencies."
> > MIT: "You were 6 feet into the road and don't even pay taxes!"
> > Me: "I do in fact pay taxes, drive a car, and have a license."
> > Me, still calmly: "You are going to kill someone driving like that, and they're going to be someone's mother, father, or kid."
> > MIT, still screaming: "Well a*holes like you deserve to die."
> > Me: "I really hope you have a great day."
> >
> > The conversation went about as well as I could have made it go but I gotta say it feels pretty crappy and it's distracting and a bit scary. Wish I would've gotten his license plate and video'd the interaction but I was too focused on keeping my cool. In any case, watch out for a dude in his early 40s with a goatee driving a big red truck around the Brooklyn neighborhood.
> >
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I believe that only applies on private property and or hidden cameras. I will do some research with my Oregon Police friends. I know for a fact phone recordings in Oregon only one party has to know about recording.
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On Aug 22, 2012, at 10:46 AM, Scott Jones wrote:
> If the officer stated that it violates his civil liberty to video him, then why are police able to video traffic stops? Is that not a violation on my civil liberties? I think he was full of it and probably wanted to side with the driver.
>
> -Scott
>
> On Aug 22, 2012 10:26 AM, "Shane Gibson" wrote:
> Incidentally - I had an aggro driver rear end me because as he stated (after screaming "I'm going to rip your eff-ing head off your eff-ing motha eff-ing shoulders and sh*t down your eff-ing motha eff-ing neck") ... I stopped 6 car lengths back to let cars in front of me turn left. So - I did leave a little space - maybe 3 car lengths - but clearly more than his blood pressure threshold was capable of handling. That resulted in his determination of a best response; smash into the back of me.
>
> I called 911 as he's screaming this, and recorded the incident on my camera phone. The police told me I was in violation of his civil liberties by not notifying him I was recording the incident. Frankly - I think the officer was full of it. There are cameras everywehre recording us already. Especially since this person was basically stating he was ready to kill me over the incident.
>
> Just something to think about ... check out the law before you start recording someone during an incident. It'd be absurd, but not beyond the bounds of our whacked out legal system, for something to be thrown out if you didn't notify the offending person prior to recording the incident.
>
> ~~shane
>
> --
> "Opportunities multiply as they are seized." - Sun Tzu
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:14 AM, wrote:
> I'm starting to believe a GoPro recording commutes is the only way to go. $250 is cheap insurance for the cyclist to ensure people like this pay the price for this type of road rage. It's hard to prove otherwise, but a full recording for the officers to view would seal the fate of these a-holes!
>
> My 2cents
> GC
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Greg Sanders wrote:
>
> > Around 7am I was biking north on 12th Ave and was clearly intentionally buzzed on an open road by a dude in a red truck. Gave him a "what was that for?" wave and he threw his hand up in response. I caught up to him at the light at Milwaukie and Powell and pulled into the right side of the left lane next to him, where I would need to be for my left turn. As I approached, he swung his door open violently in an attempt to hit me or show that he wanted to hit me. I got close enough and looked over to indicate that I wanted to talk and he rolled down his window. I focused all of my energy on remaining calm and collected and friendly because I had it in my head that that was the best approach. Here's how the conversation went.
> >
> > Me, calmly: "You're going to hurt someone driving like that."
> > Man in Truck, screaming: "You have to get out of the middle of the f*ing road you f*ing a*hole!"
> > Me: "I was as far right as I could be with cars and road inconsistencies."
> > MIT: "You were 6 feet into the road and don't even pay taxes!"
> > Me: "I do in fact pay taxes, drive a car, and have a license."
> > Me, still calmly: "You are going to kill someone driving like that, and they're going to be someone's mother, father, or kid."
> > MIT, still screaming: "Well a*holes like you deserve to die."
> > Me: "I really hope you have a great day."
> >
> > The conversation went about as well as I could have made it go but I gotta say it feels pretty crappy and it's distracting and a bit scary. Wish I would've gotten his license plate and video'd the interaction but I was too focused on keeping my cool. In any case, watch out for a dude in his early 40s with a goatee driving a big red truck around the Brooklyn neighborhood.
> >
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From: Shane Gibson <sygibson@gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, 22
August 2012 10:24 AM
To: "obra@list.obra.org"
<obra@list.obra.org>
Subject: Re: [OBRA
Chat] Violent driver
Incidentally - I had an aggro driver rear end me
because as he stated (after screaming "I'm going to rip
your eff-ing head off your eff-ing motha eff-ing
shoulders and sh*t down your eff-ing motha eff-ing
neck") ... I stopped 6 car lengths back to let cars in
front of me turn left. Â So - I did leave a little space
- maybe 3 car lengths - but clearly more than his blood
pressure threshold was capable of handling. Â That
resulted in his determination of a best response; smash
into the back of me.Â
I called 911 as he's screaming this, and recorded the
incident on my camera phone. Â The police told me I was
in violation of his civil liberties by not notifying him
I was recording the incident. Â Frankly - I think the
officer was full of it. Â There are cameras everywehre
recording us already. Â Especially since this person was
basically stating he was ready to kill me over the
incident.
Just something to think about ... check out the law
before you start recording someone during an incident.
 It'd be absurd, but not beyond the bounds of our
whacked out legal system, for something to be thrown out
if you didn't notify the offending person prior to
recording the incident.
~~shaneÂ
--
"Opportunities multiply as they are seized."Â Â - Sun Tzu
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:14 AM, <grantcollins@ymail.com>
wrote:
I'm starting to believe a GoPro recording commutes is
the only way to go. $250 is cheap insurance for the
cyclist to ensure people like this pay the price for
this type of road rage. It's hard to prove otherwise,
but a full recording for the officers to view would seal
the fate of these a-holes!
My 2cents
GC
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On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Greg Sanders <gts7@cornell.edu>
wrote:
> Around 7am I was biking north on 12th Ave and was
clearly intentionally buzzed on an open road by a dude
in a red truck. Gave him a "what was that for?" wave and
he threw his hand up in response. I caught up to him at
the light at Milwaukie and Powell and pulled into the
right side of the left lane next to him, where I would
need to be for my left turn. As I approached, he swung
his door open violently in an attempt to hit me or show
that he wanted to hit me. I got close enough and looked
over to indicate that I wanted to talk and he rolled
down his window. I focused all of my energy on remaining
calm and collected and friendly because I had it in my
head that that was the best approach. Here's how the
conversation went.
>
> Me, calmly: "You're going to hurt someone driving
like that."
> Man in Truck, screaming: "You have to get out of
the middle of the f*ing road you f*ing a*hole!"
> Me: "I was as far right as I could be with cars and
road inconsistencies."
> MIT: "You were 6 feet into the road and don't even
pay taxes!"
> Me: "I do in fact pay taxes, drive a car, and have
a license."
> Me, still calmly: "You are going to kill someone
driving like that, and they're going to be someone's
mother, father, or kid."
> MIT, still screaming: "Well a*holes like you
deserve to die."
> Me: "I really hope you have a great day."
>
> The conversation went about as well as I could have
made it go but I gotta say it feels pretty crappy and
it's distracting and a bit scary. Wish I would've gotten
his license plate and video'd the interaction but I was
too focused on keeping my cool. In any case, watch out
for a dude in his early 40s with a goatee driving a big
red truck around the Brooklyn neighborhood.
>
> Greg
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>>I have a GoPro, but when on a 130 mile ride which 2 hour segment do
you choose to turn the camera on?
I have often thought that there is a market for a product that would
continually record while simultaneously discarding the oldest recorded
data. So, with a 2 hour memory, you would always have the last 2 hours.
I wonder if Go Pro could update their software to create a setting
option for something like that.
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You can make audio recordings of people in person however you must tell them you are making the audio recording, you don't need permission you have to say you are recording it. For those that have ever been stopped by a police officer with a recording device that's why the first thing they say is this is being audio and video recorded.
There is an law that you can be arrested for if you do make an audio recording without notifying those who are being audio recorded. Understand audio not video and not pictures.
Hope that helps clarify.
Gregg
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On Aug 22, 2012, at 10:54, Gerard Smith wrote:
> I dont think Oregon has a 'consent of parties' law in conversations so if the recording was in public and in plain sight then I dont see it has anything to do with civil liberties. The lawyers on here will know better - thats just my understanding ( possibly wrong? )
>
> Scott: http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/10/if_an_oregon_police_officer_is.html
>
> You can record them too, but the law is a little hazy
>
> From: Scott Jones
> Date: Wednesday, 22 August 2012 10:46 AM
> To: Shane Gibson
> Cc: "obra@list.obra.org"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Violent driver
>
> If the officer stated that it violates his civil liberty to video him, then why are police able to video traffic stops? Is that not a violation on my civil liberties? I think he was full of it and probably wanted to side with the driver.
>
> -Scott
>
> On Aug 22, 2012 10:26 AM, "Shane Gibson" wrote:
> Incidentally - I had an aggro driver rear end me because as he stated (after screaming "I'm going to rip your eff-ing head off your eff-ing motha eff-ing shoulders and sh*t down your eff-ing motha eff-ing neck") ... I stopped 6 car lengths back to let cars in front of me turn left. So - I did leave a little space - maybe 3 car lengths - but clearly more than his blood pressure threshold was capable of handling. That resulted in his determination of a best response; smash into the back of me.
>
> I called 911 as he's screaming this, and recorded the incident on my camera phone. The police told me I was in violation of his civil liberties by not notifying him I was recording the incident. Frankly - I think the officer was full of it. There are cameras everywehre recording us already. Especially since this person was basically stating he was ready to kill me over the incident.
>
> Just something to think about ... check out the law before you start recording someone during an incident. It'd be absurd, but not beyond the bounds of our whacked out legal system, for something to be thrown out if you didn't notify the offending person prior to recording the incident.
>
> ~~shane
>
> --
> "Opportunities multiply as they are seized." - Sun Tzu
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:14 AM, wrote:
> I'm starting to believe a GoPro recording commutes is the only way to go. $250 is cheap insurance for the cyclist to ensure people like this pay the price for this type of road rage. It's hard to prove otherwise, but a full recording for the officers to view would seal the fate of these a-holes!
>
> My 2cents
> GC
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Greg Sanders wrote:
>
> > Around 7am I was biking north on 12th Ave and was clearly intentionally buzzed on an open road by a dude in a red truck. Gave him a "what was that for?" wave and he threw his hand up in response. I caught up to him at the light at Milwaukie and Powell and pulled into the right side of the left lane next to him, where I would need to be for my left turn. As I approached, he swung his door open violently in an attempt to hit me or show that he wanted to hit me. I got close enough and looked over to indicate that I wanted to talk and he rolled down his window. I focused all of my energy on remaining calm and collected and friendly because I had it in my head that that was the best approach. Here's how the conversation went.
> >
> > Me, calmly: "You're going to hurt someone driving like that."
> > Man in Truck, screaming: "You have to get out of the middle of the f*ing road you f*ing a*hole!"
> > Me: "I was as far right as I could be with cars and road inconsistencies."
> > MIT: "You were 6 feet into the road and don't even pay taxes!"
> > Me: "I do in fact pay taxes, drive a car, and have a license."
> > Me, still calmly: "You are going to kill someone driving like that, and they're going to be someone's mother, father, or kid."
> > MIT, still screaming: "Well a*holes like you deserve to die."
> > Me: "I really hope you have a great day."
> >
> > The conversation went about as well as I could have made it go but I gotta say it feels pretty crappy and it's distracting and a bit scary. Wish I would've gotten his license plate and video'd the interaction but I was too focused on keeping my cool. In any case, watch out for a dude in his early 40s with a goatee driving a big red truck around the Brooklyn neighborhood.
> >
> > Greg
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I dont think Oregon has a 'consent of parties' law in conversations so if the recording was in public and in plain sight then I dont see it has anything to do with civil liberties. The lawyers on here will know better - thats just my understanding ( possibly wrong? )
Scott: http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/10/if_an_oregon_police_officer_is.html
You can record them too, but the law is a little hazy
From: Scott Jones >
Date: Wednesday, 22 August 2012 10:46 AM
To: Shane Gibson >
Cc: "obra@list.obra.org" >
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Violent driver
If the officer stated that it violates his civil liberty to video him, then why are police able to video traffic stops? Is that not a violation on my civil liberties? I think he was full of it and probably wanted to side with the driver.
-Scott
On Aug 22, 2012 10:26 AM, "Shane Gibson" > wrote:
Incidentally - I had an aggro driver rear end me because as he stated (after screaming "I'm going to rip your eff-ing head off your eff-ing motha eff-ing shoulders and sh*t down your eff-ing motha eff-ing neck") ... I stopped 6 car lengths back to let cars in front of me turn left. So - I did leave a little space - maybe 3 car lengths - but clearly more than his blood pressure threshold was capable of handling. That resulted in his determination of a best response; smash into the back of me.
I called 911 as he's screaming this, and recorded the incident on my camera phone. The police told me I was in violation of his civil liberties by not notifying him I was recording the incident. Frankly - I think the officer was full of it. There are cameras everywehre recording us already. Especially since this person was basically stating he was ready to kill me over the incident.
Just something to think about ... check out the law before you start recording someone during an incident. It'd be absurd, but not beyond the bounds of our whacked out legal system, for something to be thrown out if you didn't notify the offending person prior to recording the incident.
~~shane
--
"Opportunities multiply as they are seized." - Sun Tzu
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:14 AM, > wrote:
I'm starting to believe a GoPro recording commutes is the only way to go. $250 is cheap insurance for the cyclist to ensure people like this pay the price for this type of road rage. It's hard to prove otherwise, but a full recording for the officers to view would seal the fate of these a-holes!
My 2cents
GC
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Greg Sanders > wrote:
> Around 7am I was biking north on 12th Ave and was clearly intentionally buzzed on an open road by a dude in a red truck. Gave him a "what was that for?" wave and he threw his hand up in response. I caught up to him at the light at Milwaukie and Powell and pulled into the right side of the left lane next to him, where I would need to be for my left turn. As I approached, he swung his door open violently in an attempt to hit me or show that he wanted to hit me. I got close enough and looked over to indicate that I wanted to talk and he rolled down his window. I focused all of my energy on remaining calm and collected and friendly because I had it in my head that that was the best approach. Here's how the conversation went.
>
> Me, calmly: "You're going to hurt someone driving like that."
> Man in Truck, screaming: "You have to get out of the middle of the f*ing road you f*ing a*hole!"
> Me: "I was as far right as I could be with cars and road inconsistencies."
> MIT: "You were 6 feet into the road and don't even pay taxes!"
> Me: "I do in fact pay taxes, drive a car, and have a license."
> Me, still calmly: "You are going to kill someone driving like that, and they're going to be someone's mother, father, or kid."
> MIT, still screaming: "Well a*holes like you deserve to die."
> Me: "I really hope you have a great day."
>
> The conversation went about as well as I could have made it go but I gotta say it feels pretty crappy and it's distracting and a bit scary. Wish I would've gotten his license plate and video'd the interaction but I was too focused on keeping my cool. In any case, watch out for a dude in his early 40s with a goatee driving a big red truck around the Brooklyn neighborhood.
>
> Greg
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If the officer stated that it violates his civil liberty to video him, then
why are police able to video traffic stops? Is that not a violation on my
civil liberties? I think he was full of it and probably wanted to side with
the driver.
-Scott
On Aug 22, 2012 10:26 AM, "Shane Gibson" wrote:
> Incidentally - I had an aggro driver rear end me because as he stated
> (after screaming "I'm going to rip your eff-ing head off your eff-ing motha
> eff-ing shoulders and sh*t down your eff-ing motha eff-ing neck") ... I
> stopped 6 car lengths back to let cars in front of me turn left. So - I
> did leave a little space - maybe 3 car lengths - but clearly more than his
> blood pressure threshold was capable of handling. That resulted in his
> determination of a best response; smash into the back of me.
>
> I called 911 as he's screaming this, and recorded the incident on my
> camera phone. The police told me I was in violation of his civil liberties
> by not notifying him I was recording the incident. Frankly - I think the
> officer was full of it. There are cameras everywehre recording us already.
> Especially since this person was basically stating he was ready to kill me
> over the incident.
>
> Just something to think about ... check out the law before you start
> recording someone during an incident. It'd be absurd, but not beyond the
> bounds of our whacked out legal system, for something to be thrown out if
> you didn't notify the offending person prior to recording the incident.
>
> ~~shane
>
> --
> "Opportunities multiply as they are seized." - Sun Tzu
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:14 AM, wrote:
>
>> I'm starting to believe a GoPro recording commutes is the only way to go.
>> $250 is cheap insurance for the cyclist to ensure people like this pay the
>> price for this type of road rage. It's hard to prove otherwise, but a full
>> recording for the officers to view would seal the fate of these a-holes!
>>
>> My 2cents
>> GC
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Greg Sanders wrote:
>>
>> > Around 7am I was biking north on 12th Ave and was clearly intentionally
>> buzzed on an open road by a dude in a red truck. Gave him a "what was that
>> for?" wave and he threw his hand up in response. I caught up to him at the
>> light at Milwaukie and Powell and pulled into the right side of the left
>> lane next to him, where I would need to be for my left turn. As I
>> approached, he swung his door open violently in an attempt to hit me or
>> show that he wanted to hit me. I got close enough and looked over to
>> indicate that I wanted to talk and he rolled down his window. I focused all
>> of my energy on remaining calm and collected and friendly because I had it
>> in my head that that was the best approach. Here's how the conversation
>> went.
>> >
>> > Me, calmly: "You're going to hurt someone driving like that."
>> > Man in Truck, screaming: "You have to get out of the middle of the
>> f*ing road you f*ing a*hole!"
>> > Me: "I was as far right as I could be with cars and road
>> inconsistencies."
>> > MIT: "You were 6 feet into the road and don't even pay taxes!"
>> > Me: "I do in fact pay taxes, drive a car, and have a license."
>> > Me, still calmly: "You are going to kill someone driving like that, and
>> they're going to be someone's mother, father, or kid."
>> > MIT, still screaming: "Well a*holes like you deserve to die."
>> > Me: "I really hope you have a great day."
>> >
>> > The conversation went about as well as I could have made it go but I
>> gotta say it feels pretty crappy and it's distracting and a bit scary. Wish
>> I would've gotten his license plate and video'd the interaction but I was
>> too focused on keeping my cool. In any case, watch out for a dude in his
>> early 40s with a goatee driving a big red truck around the Brooklyn
>> neighborhood.
>> >
>> > Greg
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Or just get one of these for the REALLY aggressive ones. http://www.competitivecyclist.com/accessories/kimber/safety.2324.html
Self defense..
From: Shane Gibson >
Date: Wednesday, 22 August 2012 10:24 AM
To: "obra@list.obra.org" >
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Violent driver
Incidentally - I had an aggro driver rear end me because as he stated (after screaming "I'm going to rip your eff-ing head off your eff-ing motha eff-ing shoulders and sh*t down your eff-ing motha eff-ing neck") ... I stopped 6 car lengths back to let cars in front of me turn left. So - I did leave a little space - maybe 3 car lengths - but clearly more than his blood pressure threshold was capable of handling. That resulted in his determination of a best response; smash into the back of me.
I called 911 as he's screaming this, and recorded the incident on my camera phone. The police told me I was in violation of his civil liberties by not notifying him I was recording the incident. Frankly - I think the officer was full of it. There are cameras everywehre recording us already. Especially since this person was basically stating he was ready to kill me over the incident.
Just something to think about ... check out the law before you start recording someone during an incident. It'd be absurd, but not beyond the bounds of our whacked out legal system, for something to be thrown out if you didn't notify the offending person prior to recording the incident.
~~shane
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On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:14 AM, > wrote:
I'm starting to believe a GoPro recording commutes is the only way to go. $250 is cheap insurance for the cyclist to ensure people like this pay the price for this type of road rage. It's hard to prove otherwise, but a full recording for the officers to view would seal the fate of these a-holes!
My 2cents
GC
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On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Greg Sanders > wrote:
> Around 7am I was biking north on 12th Ave and was clearly intentionally buzzed on an open road by a dude in a red truck. Gave him a "what was that for?" wave and he threw his hand up in response. I caught up to him at the light at Milwaukie and Powell and pulled into the right side of the left lane next to him, where I would need to be for my left turn. As I approached, he swung his door open violently in an attempt to hit me or show that he wanted to hit me. I got close enough and looked over to indicate that I wanted to talk and he rolled down his window. I focused all of my energy on remaining calm and collected and friendly because I had it in my head that that was the best approach. Here's how the conversation went.
>
> Me, calmly: "You're going to hurt someone driving like that."
> Man in Truck, screaming: "You have to get out of the middle of the f*ing road you f*ing a*hole!"
> Me: "I was as far right as I could be with cars and road inconsistencies."
> MIT: "You were 6 feet into the road and don't even pay taxes!"
> Me: "I do in fact pay taxes, drive a car, and have a license."
> Me, still calmly: "You are going to kill someone driving like that, and they're going to be someone's mother, father, or kid."
> MIT, still screaming: "Well a*holes like you deserve to die."
> Me: "I really hope you have a great day."
>
> The conversation went about as well as I could have made it go but I gotta say it feels pretty crappy and it's distracting and a bit scary. Wish I would've gotten his license plate and video'd the interaction but I was too focused on keeping my cool. In any case, watch out for a dude in his early 40s with a goatee driving a big red truck around the Brooklyn neighborhood.
>
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Yeah, I agree w/ Rick- you should still file a complaint.
Kudos for remaining cool- but a demerit for being that close and never getting the plate.
Russ Rainforth
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On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:37 AM, Rick Johnson wrote:
> I still suggest you make a report to the police in spite of not being able to completely identify the subject. There have likely been other incidents by this individual and establishing their pattern will be important when it finally comes to their being held accountable for their actions.
> Remember that incident from down in California where the guy eventually escalated to attempted murder? A significant aspect of the case against him was the people who where able to establish that it wasn't an isolated incident.
>
> Good job on keeping your cool.
>
> Rick Johnson
> Bend Oregon
>
> * * *
>
> This news has been sanitized for your preconceptions
>
> On 8/22/2012 9:08 AM, Greg Sanders wrote:
>> Around 7am I was biking north on 12th Ave and was clearly intentionally buzzed on an open road by a dude in a red truck. Gave him a "what was that for?" wave and he threw his hand up in response. I caught up to him at the light at Milwaukie and Powell and pulled into the right side of the left lane next to him, where I would need to be for my left turn. As I approached, he swung his door open violently in an attempt to hit me or show that he wanted to hit me. I got close enough and looked over to indicate that I wanted to talk and he rolled down his window. I focused all of my energy on remaining calm and collected and friendly because I had it in my head that that was the best approach. Here's how the conversation went.
>>
>> Me, calmly: "You're going to hurt someone driving like that."
>> Man in Truck, screaming: "You have to get out of the middle of the f*ing road you f*ing a*hole!"
>> Me: "I was as far right as I could be with cars and road inconsistencies."
>> MIT: "You were 6 feet into the road and don't even pay taxes!"
>> Me: "I do in fact pay taxes, drive a car, and have a license."
>> Me, still calmly: "You are going to kill someone driving like that, and they're going to be someone's mother, father, or kid."
>> MIT, still screaming: "Well a*holes like you deserve to die."
>> Me: "I really hope you have a great day."
>>
>> The conversation went about as well as I could have made it go but I gotta say it feels pretty crappy and it's distracting and a bit scary. Wish I would've gotten his license plate and video'd the interaction but I was too focused on keeping my cool. In any case, watch out for a dude in his early 40s with a goatee driving a big red truck around the Brooklyn neighborhood.
>>
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Great job Greg for keeping cool and civil in a situation that clearly could have escalated badly.
RE: GoPro etc. I've got a co-worker friend in SF who commutes in the city every day and he had enough close calls that he's been video'ing his rides every day. The camera ALONE diffuses a lot of situations and he's been able to bust a few people for really dangerous driving.
If you're commuting by bike every day in problem situations I'd say it's definitely worth it. That and knowing how to get to your phone's camera function in a hurry.
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On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:14 AM, grantcollins@ymail.com wrote:
> I'm starting to believe a GoPro recording commutes is the only way to go. $250 is cheap insurance for the cyclist to ensure people like this pay the price for this type of road rage. It's hard to prove otherwise, but a full recording for the officers to view would seal the fate of these a-holes!
>
> My 2cents
> GC
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Greg Sanders wrote:
>
>> Around 7am I was biking north on 12th Ave and was clearly intentionally buzzed on an open road by a dude in a red truck. Gave him a "what was that for?" wave and he threw his hand up in response. I caught up to him at the light at Milwaukie and Powell and pulled into the right side of the left lane next to him, where I would need to be for my left turn. As I approached, he swung his door open violently in an attempt to hit me or show that he wanted to hit me. I got close enough and looked over to indicate that I wanted to talk and he rolled down his window. I focused all of my energy on remaining calm and collected and friendly because I had it in my head that that was the best approach. Here's how the conversation went.
>>
>> Me, calmly: "You're going to hurt someone driving like that."
>> Man in Truck, screaming: "You have to get out of the middle of the f*ing road you f*ing a*hole!"
>> Me: "I was as far right as I could be with cars and road inconsistencies."
>> MIT: "You were 6 feet into the road and don't even pay taxes!"
>> Me: "I do in fact pay taxes, drive a car, and have a license."
>> Me, still calmly: "You are going to kill someone driving like that, and they're going to be someone's mother, father, or kid."
>> MIT, still screaming: "Well a*holes like you deserve to die."
>> Me: "I really hope you have a great day."
>>
>> The conversation went about as well as I could have made it go but I gotta say it feels pretty crappy and it's distracting and a bit scary. Wish I would've gotten his license plate and video'd the interaction but I was too focused on keeping my cool. In any case, watch out for a dude in his early 40s with a goatee driving a big red truck around the Brooklyn neighborhood.
>>
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Incidentally - I had an aggro driver rear end me because as he stated
(after screaming "I'm going to rip your eff-ing head off your eff-ing motha
eff-ing shoulders and sh*t down your eff-ing motha eff-ing neck") ... I
stopped 6 car lengths back to let cars in front of me turn left. So - I
did leave a little space - maybe 3 car lengths - but clearly more than his
blood pressure threshold was capable of handling. That resulted in his
determination of a best response; smash into the back of me.
I called 911 as he's screaming this, and recorded the incident on my camera
phone. The police told me I was in violation of his civil liberties by not
notifying him I was recording the incident. Frankly - I think the officer
was full of it. There are cameras everywehre recording us already.
Especially since this person was basically stating he was ready to kill me
over the incident.
Just something to think about ... check out the law before you start
recording someone during an incident. It'd be absurd, but not beyond the
bounds of our whacked out legal system, for something to be thrown out if
you didn't notify the offending person prior to recording the incident.
~~shane
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On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:14 AM, wrote:
> I'm starting to believe a GoPro recording commutes is the only way to go.
> $250 is cheap insurance for the cyclist to ensure people like this pay the
> price for this type of road rage. It's hard to prove otherwise, but a full
> recording for the officers to view would seal the fate of these a-holes!
>
> My 2cents
> GC
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Greg Sanders wrote:
>
> > Around 7am I was biking north on 12th Ave and was clearly intentionally
> buzzed on an open road by a dude in a red truck. Gave him a "what was that
> for?" wave and he threw his hand up in response. I caught up to him at the
> light at Milwaukie and Powell and pulled into the right side of the left
> lane next to him, where I would need to be for my left turn. As I
> approached, he swung his door open violently in an attempt to hit me or
> show that he wanted to hit me. I got close enough and looked over to
> indicate that I wanted to talk and he rolled down his window. I focused all
> of my energy on remaining calm and collected and friendly because I had it
> in my head that that was the best approach. Here's how the conversation
> went.
> >
> > Me, calmly: "You're going to hurt someone driving like that."
> > Man in Truck, screaming: "You have to get out of the middle of the f*ing
> road you f*ing a*hole!"
> > Me: "I was as far right as I could be with cars and road
> inconsistencies."
> > MIT: "You were 6 feet into the road and don't even pay taxes!"
> > Me: "I do in fact pay taxes, drive a car, and have a license."
> > Me, still calmly: "You are going to kill someone driving like that, and
> they're going to be someone's mother, father, or kid."
> > MIT, still screaming: "Well a*holes like you deserve to die."
> > Me: "I really hope you have a great day."
> >
> > The conversation went about as well as I could have made it go but I
> gotta say it feels pretty crappy and it's distracting and a bit scary. Wish
> I would've gotten his license plate and video'd the interaction but I was
> too focused on keeping my cool. In any case, watch out for a dude in his
> early 40s with a goatee driving a big red truck around the Brooklyn
> neighborhood.
> >
> > Greg
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GoPro's new wi-fi remote works very well for that kind of use. You can turn the camera on/off and change modes from the controller on the bars that has a display just like the front of the camera.
Splinter Wrenn
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On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:35 AM, Kevin wrote:
> I had an "interaction" with a driver (term used loosely) yesterday. I have a GoPro, but when on a 130 mile ride which 2 hour segment do you choose to turn the camera on? These events happen without notice, what's the chance you'll have your camera on when they happen?
>
> On a side note, I DID have my GoPro on last December when riding near Hemet, CA as a pickup came over the fogline at me as I was moving 40mph down a long descent. The police weren't interested in seeing the video, and did nothing.
>
> -Kevin
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> What is happening in Kevin's corner of the bike world?
> http://the-whir-of-spokes-in-air.blogspot.com
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> From: "grantcollins@ymail.com"
> To: Greg Sanders
> Cc: "obra@list.obra.org"
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 9:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Violent driver
>
> I'm starting to believe a GoPro recording commutes is the only way to go. $250 is cheap insurance for the cyclist to ensure people like this pay the price for this type of road rage. It's hard to prove otherwise, but a full recording for the officers to view would seal the fate of these a-holes!
>
> My 2cents
> GC
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Greg Sanders wrote:
>
> > Around 7am I was biking north on 12th Ave and was clearly intentionally buzzed on an open road by a dude in a red truck. Gave him a "what was that for?" wave and he threw his hand up in response. I caught up to him at the light at Milwaukie and Powell and pulled into the right side of the left lane next to him, where I would need to be for my left turn. As I approached, he swung his door open violently in an attempt to hit me or show that he wanted to hit me. I got close enough and looked over to indicate that I wanted to talk and he rolled down his window. I focused all of my energy on remaining calm and collected and friendly because I had it in my head that that was the best approach. Here's how the conversation went.
> >
> > Me, calmly: "You're going to hurt someone driving like that."
> > Man in Truck, screaming: "You have to get out of the middle of the f*ing road you f*ing a*hole!"
> > Me: "I was as far right as I could be with cars and road inconsistencies."
> > MIT: "You were 6 feet into the road and don't even pay taxes!"
> > Me: "I do in fact pay taxes, drive a car, and have a license."
> > Me, still calmly: "You are going to kill someone driving like that, and they're going to be someone's mother, father, or kid."
> > MIT, still screaming: "Well a*holes like you deserve to die."
> > Me: "I really hope you have a great day."
> >
> > The conversation went about as well as I could have made it go but I gotta say it feels pretty crappy and it's distracting and a bit scary. Wish I would've gotten his license plate and video'd the interaction but I was too focused on keeping my cool. In any case, watch out for a dude in his early 40s with a goatee driving a big red truck around the Brooklyn neighborhood.
> >
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That would be awesome! Group buy 5,000 Obra racers!
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On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:46 AM, "northofcolumbia@yahoo.com" wrote:
> Anybody got a connection at GoPro? Maybe OBRA could get us all a big discount if the whole of Portland buys a camera all at once?
>
> Sent from my HTC EVO 4G LTE exclusively from Sprint
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> ----- Reply message -----
> From: grantcollins@ymail.com
> To: "Greg Sanders"
> Cc: "obra@list.obra.org"
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Violent driver
> Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2012 9:14 AM
>
>
> I'm starting to believe a GoPro recording commutes is the only way to go. $250 is cheap insurance for the cyclist to ensure people like this pay the price for this type of road rage. It's hard to prove otherwise, but a full recording for the officers to view would seal the fate of these a-holes!
>
> My 2cents
> GC
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Greg Sanders wrote:
>
> > Around 7am I was biking north on 12th Ave and was clearly intentionally buzzed on an open road by a dude in a red truck. Gave him a "what was that for?" wave and he threw his hand up in response. I caught up to him at the light at Milwaukie and Powell and pulled into the right side of the left lane next to him, where I would need to be for my left turn. As I approached, he swung his door open violently in an attempt to hit me or show that he wanted to hit me. I got close enough and looked over to indicate that I wanted to talk and he rolled down his window. I focused all of my energy on remaining calm and collected and friendly because I had it in my head that that was the best approach. Here's how the conversation went.
> >
> > Me, calmly: "You're going to hurt someone driving like that."
> > Man in Truck, screaming: "You have to get out of the middle of the f*ing road you f*ing a*hole!"
> > Me: "I was as far right as I could be with cars and road inconsistencies."
> > MIT: "You were 6 feet into the road and don't even pay taxes!"
> > Me: "I do in fact pay taxes, drive a car, and have a license."
> > Me, still calmly: "You are going to kill someone driving like that, and they're going to be someone's mother, father, or kid."
> > MIT, still screaming: "Well a*holes like you deserve to die."
> > Me: "I really hope you have a great day."
> >
> > The conversation went about as well as I could have made it go but I gotta say it feels pretty crappy and it's distracting and a bit scary. Wish I would've gotten his license plate and video'd the interaction but I was too focused on keeping my cool. In any case, watch out for a dude in his early 40s with a goatee driving a big red truck around the Brooklyn neighborhood.
> >
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I know I sure as hell wouldnt have been able to. Mark is right. Kudos
to you!
Joe
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:14:40 -0700 (PDT), "Mark J. Ginsberg"
wrote:
> sadly there are people like him out there.
>
> super gold star to you for keeping your calm, not all people would
> have had the ability to do that.
>
> M
>
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> -------------------------
> FROM: Greg Sanders
> TO: obra@list.obra.org
> SENT: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 9:08 AM
> SUBJECT: [OBRA Chat] Violent driver
>
> Around 7am I was biking north on 12th Ave and was clearly
> intentionally buzzed on an open road by a dude in a red truck. Gave
> him a "what was that for?" wave and he threw his hand up in response.
> I caught up to him at the light at Milwaukie and Powell and pulled
> into the right side of the left lane next to him, where I would need
> to be for my left turn. As I approached, he swung his door open
> violently in an attempt to hit me or show that he wanted to hit me. I
> got close enough and looked over to indicate that I wanted to talk and
> he rolled down his window. I focused all of my energy on remaining
> calm and collected and friendly because I had it in my head that that
> was the best approach. Here's how the conversation went.
>
> Me, calmly: "You're going to hurt someone driving like that."
> Man in Truck, screaming: "You have to get out of the middle of the
> f*ing road you f*ing a*hole!"
> Me: "I was as far right as I could be with cars and road
> inconsistencies."
> MIT: "You were 6 feet into the road and don't even pay taxes!"
> Me: "I do in fact pay taxes, drive a car, and have a license."
> Me, still calmly: "You are going to kill someone driving like that,
> and they're going to be someone's mother, father, or kid."
> MIT, still screaming: "Well a*holes like you deserve to die."
> Me: "I really hope you have a great day."
>
> The conversation went about as well as I could have made it go but I
> gotta say it feels pretty crappy and it's distracting and a bit scary.
> Wish I would've gotten his license plate and video'd the interaction
> but I was too focused on keeping my cool. In any case, watch out for a
> dude in his early 40s with a goatee driving a big red truck around the
> Brooklyn neighborhood.
>
> Greg
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Also, remember your camera (whether it's a regular one or the one in
your phone). Two pictures can get everything you need to make a
citizen's complaint - one of the license/vehicle the other to identify
the driver.
Some time ago I was riding with a local attorney (who even happened to
work for the DA at the time). We were harassed by a car driver and I was
truly impressed with how quickly she had her phone out and was snapping
pictures.
Rick Johnson
Bend Oregon
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On 8/22/2012 9:08 AM, Greg Sanders wrote:
> Around 7am I was biking north on 12th Ave and was clearly intentionally buzzed on an open road by a dude in a red truck. Gave him a "what was that for?" wave and he threw his hand up in response. I caught up to him at the light at Milwaukie and Powell and pulled into the right side of the left lane next to him, where I would need to be for my left turn. As I approached, he swung his door open violently in an attempt to hit me or show that he wanted to hit me. I got close enough and looked over to indicate that I wanted to talk and he rolled down his window. I focused all of my energy on remaining calm and collected and friendly because I had it in my head that that was the best approach. Here's how the conversation went.
>
> Me, calmly: "You're going to hurt someone driving like that."
> Man in Truck, screaming: "You have to get out of the middle of the f*ing road you f*ing a*hole!"
> Me: "I was as far right as I could be with cars and road inconsistencies."
> MIT: "You were 6 feet into the road and don't even pay taxes!"
> Me: "I do in fact pay taxes, drive a car, and have a license."
> Me, still calmly: "You are going to kill someone driving like that, and they're going to be someone's mother, father, or kid."
> MIT, still screaming: "Well a*holes like you deserve to die."
> Me: "I really hope you have a great day."
>
> The conversation went about as well as I could have made it go but I gotta say it feels pretty crappy and it's distracting and a bit scary. Wish I would've gotten his license plate and video'd the interaction but I was too focused on keeping my cool. In any case, watch out for a dude in his early 40s with a goatee driving a big red truck around the Brooklyn neighborhood.
>
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You are a better man than I Greg. It is apparent that he is showing how to
be an a-hole.
I ride that road (usually more mid-day) when going to & from Sellwood
Cycle....probably 3-10 times per month at least. Usually pretty mellow, but
at times the impatient driver gets weird. I ride it just as you describe
it...giving myself enough room for safety with parked cars then moving over
some in the long open spaces where cars are not parked so cars can get by
"easier". Most people just wait for a space open from oncoming traffic then
go out and around. You probably experience that most of the time.
You did a great job describing this incident as "one guy" exhibiting
dangerous behaviors without blaming "all" auto drivers. It is all about
individuals making decisions on foot, bike or in motor vehicles.
You take care out there. Everyone be safe!
ron strasser
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Sanders
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 9:08 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Violent driver
Around 7am I was biking north on 12th Ave and was clearly intentionally
buzzed on an open road by a dude in a red truck. Gave him a "what was that
for?" wave and he threw his hand up in response. I caught up to him at the
light at Milwaukie and Powell and pulled into the right side of the left
lane next to him, where I would need to be for my left turn. As I
approached, he swung his door open violently in an attempt to hit me or show
that he wanted to hit me. I got close enough and looked over to indicate
that I wanted to talk and he rolled down his window. I focused all of my
energy on remaining calm and collected and friendly because I had it in my
head that that was the best approach. Here's how the conversation went.
Me, calmly: "You're going to hurt someone driving like that."
Man in Truck, screaming: "You have to get out of the middle of the f*ing
road you f*ing a*hole!"
Me: "I was as far right as I could be with cars and road inconsistencies."
MIT: "You were 6 feet into the road and don't even pay taxes!"
Me: "I do in fact pay taxes, drive a car, and have a license."
Me, still calmly: "You are going to kill someone driving like that, and
they're going to be someone's mother, father, or kid."
MIT, still screaming: "Well a*holes like you deserve to die."
Me: "I really hope you have a great day."
The conversation went about as well as I could have made it go but I gotta
say it feels pretty crappy and it's distracting and a bit scary. Wish I
would've gotten his license plate and video'd the interaction but I was too
focused on keeping my cool. In any case, watch out for a dude in his early
40s with a goatee driving a big red truck around the Brooklyn neighborhood.
Greg
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I remember seeing a sport camera a while back... I wanna say it was even
possibly a tiny, glasses-mounted camera but I dont' remember exactly... but
essentially it was designed specifically for recording instances just like
this. Basically, it constantly records to flash storage, and is constantly
deleting as it runs out of room (or something like that) -- but if
something happens that you want to make sure gets kept, a press of a button
keeps the footage starting from 30 seconds prior, and until you tell it to
stop (assuming that would just be a second button press.)
Does this ring a bell with anyone?
-Fred
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Kevin wrote:
> I had an "interaction" with a driver (term used loosely) yesterday. I
> have a GoPro, but when on a 130 mile ride which 2 hour segment do you
> choose to turn the camera on? These events happen without notice, what's
> the chance you'll have your camera on when they happen?
>
> On a side note, I DID have my GoPro on last December when riding near
> Hemet, CA as a pickup came over the fogline at me as I was moving 40mph
> down a long descent. The police weren't interested in seeing the video,
> and did nothing.
>
> -Kevin
>
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> ------------------------------
> *From:* "grantcollins@ymail.com"
> *To:* Greg Sanders
> *Cc:* "obra@list.obra.org"
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 22, 2012 9:14 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Violent driver
>
> I'm starting to believe a GoPro recording commutes is the only way to go.
> $250 is cheap insurance for the cyclist to ensure people like this pay the
> price for this type of road rage. It's hard to prove otherwise, but a full
> recording for the officers to view would seal the fate of these a-holes!
>
> My 2cents
> GC
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Greg Sanders wrote:
>
> > Around 7am I was biking north on 12th Ave and was clearly intentionally
> buzzed on an open road by a dude in a red truck. Gave him a "what was that
> for?" wave and he threw his hand up in response. I caught up to him at the
> light at Milwaukie and Powell and pulled into the right side of the left
> lane next to him, where I would need to be for my left turn. As I
> approached, he swung his door open violently in an attempt to hit me or
> show that he wanted to hit me. I got close enough and looked over to
> indicate that I wanted to talk and he rolled down his window. I focused all
> of my energy on remaining calm and collected and friendly because I had it
> in my head that that was the best approach. Here's how the conversation
> went.
> >
> > Me, calmly: "You're going to hurt someone driving like that."
> > Man in Truck, screaming: "You have to get out of the middle of the f*ing
> road you f*ing a*hole!"
> > Me: "I was as far right as I could be with cars and road
> inconsistencies."
> > MIT: "You were 6 feet into the road and don't even pay taxes!"
> > Me: "I do in fact pay taxes, drive a car, and have a license."
> > Me, still calmly: "You are going to kill someone driving like that, and
> they're going to be someone's mother, father, or kid."
> > MIT, still screaming: "Well a*holes like you deserve to die."
> > Me: "I really hope you have a great day."
> >
> > The conversation went about as well as I could have made it go but I
> gotta say it feels pretty crappy and it's distracting and a bit scary. Wish
> I would've gotten his license plate and video'd the interaction but I was
> too focused on keeping my cool. In any case, watch out for a dude in his
> early 40s with a goatee driving a big red truck around the Brooklyn
> neighborhood.
> >
> > Greg
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I still suggest you make a report to the police in spite of not being
able to completely identify the subject. There have likely been other
incidents by this individual and establishing their pattern will be
important when it finally comes to their being held accountable for
their actions.
Remember that incident from down in California where the guy eventually
escalated to attempted murder? A significant aspect of the case against
him was the people who where able to establish that it wasn't an
isolated incident.
Good job on keeping your cool.
Rick Johnson
Bend Oregon
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On 8/22/2012 9:08 AM, Greg Sanders wrote:
> Around 7am I was biking north on 12th Ave and was clearly intentionally buzzed on an open road by a dude in a red truck. Gave him a "what was that for?" wave and he threw his hand up in response. I caught up to him at the light at Milwaukie and Powell and pulled into the right side of the left lane next to him, where I would need to be for my left turn. As I approached, he swung his door open violently in an attempt to hit me or show that he wanted to hit me. I got close enough and looked over to indicate that I wanted to talk and he rolled down his window. I focused all of my energy on remaining calm and collected and friendly because I had it in my head that that was the best approach. Here's how the conversation went.
>
> Me, calmly: "You're going to hurt someone driving like that."
> Man in Truck, screaming: "You have to get out of the middle of the f*ing road you f*ing a*hole!"
> Me: "I was as far right as I could be with cars and road inconsistencies."
> MIT: "You were 6 feet into the road and don't even pay taxes!"
> Me: "I do in fact pay taxes, drive a car, and have a license."
> Me, still calmly: "You are going to kill someone driving like that, and they're going to be someone's mother, father, or kid."
> MIT, still screaming: "Well a*holes like you deserve to die."
> Me: "I really hope you have a great day."
>
> The conversation went about as well as I could have made it go but I gotta say it feels pretty crappy and it's distracting and a bit scary. Wish I would've gotten his license plate and video'd the interaction but I was too focused on keeping my cool. In any case, watch out for a dude in his early 40s with a goatee driving a big red truck around the Brooklyn neighborhood.
>
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I had an "interaction" with a driver (term used loosely) yesterday. I have a GoPro, but when on a 130 mile ride which 2 hour segment do you choose to turn the camera on? These events happen without notice, what's the chance you'll have your camera on when they happen?
On a side note, I DID have my GoPro on last December when riding near Hemet, CA as a pickup came over the fogline at me as I was moving 40mph down a long descent. The police weren't interested in seeing the video, and did nothing.
-Kevin
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http://the-whir-of-spokes-in-air.blogspot.com
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>________________________________
> From: "grantcollins@ymail.com"
>To: Greg Sanders
>Cc: "obra@list.obra.org"
>Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 9:14 AM
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Violent driver
>
>I'm starting to believe a GoPro recording commutes is the only way to go. $250 is cheap insurance for the cyclist to ensure people like this pay the price for this type of road rage. It's hard to prove otherwise, but a full recording for the officers to view would seal the fate of these a-holes!
>
>My 2cents
>GC
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Greg Sanders wrote:
>
>> Around 7am I was biking north on 12th Ave and was clearly intentionally buzzed on an open road by a dude in a red truck. Gave him a "what was that for?" wave and he threw his hand up in response. I caught up to him at the light at Milwaukie and Powell and pulled into the right side of the left lane next to him, where I would need to be for my left turn. As I approached, he swung his door open violently in an attempt to hit me or show that he wanted to hit me. I got close enough and looked over to indicate that I wanted to talk and he rolled down his window. I focused all of my energy on remaining calm and collected and friendly because I had it in my head that that was the best approach. Here's how the conversation went.
>>
>> Me, calmly: "You're going to hurt someone driving like that."
>> Man in Truck, screaming: "You have to get out of the middle of the f*ing road you f*ing a*hole!"
>> Me: "I was as far right as I could be with cars and road inconsistencies."
>> MIT: "You were 6 feet into the road and don't even pay taxes!"
>> Me: "I do in fact pay taxes, drive a car, and have a license."
>> Me, still calmly: "You are going to kill someone driving like that, and they're going to be someone's mother, father, or kid."
>> MIT, still screaming: "Well a*holes like you deserve to die."
>> Me: "I really hope you have a great day."
>>
>> The conversation went about as well as I could have made it go but I gotta say it feels pretty crappy and it's distracting and a bit scary. Wish I would've gotten his license plate and video'd the interaction but I was too focused on keeping my cool. In any case, watch out for a dude in his early 40s with a goatee driving a big red truck around the Brooklyn neighborhood.
>>
>> Greg
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Yes, my hat's off to you a well for keeping your cool. Nice job.
Brent
On Aug 22, 2012 9:17 AM, "Mark J. Ginsberg" wrote:
> sadly there are people like him out there.
>
> super gold star to you for keeping your calm, not all people would have
> had the ability to do that.
>
> M
>
>
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> ------------------------------
> *From:* Greg Sanders
> *To:* obra@list.obra.org
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 22, 2012 9:08 AM
> *Subject:* [OBRA Chat] Violent driver
>
> Around 7am I was biking north on 12th Ave and was clearly intentionally
> buzzed on an open road by a dude in a red truck. Gave him a "what was that
> for?" wave and he threw his hand up in response. I caught up to him at the
> light at Milwaukie and Powell and pulled into the right side of the left
> lane next to him, where I would need to be for my left turn. As I
> approached, he swung his door open violently in an attempt to hit me or
> show that he wanted to hit me. I got close enough and looked over to
> indicate that I wanted to talk and he rolled down his window. I focused all
> of my energy on remaining calm and collected and friendly because I had it
> in my head that that was the best approach. Here's how the conversation
> went.
>
> Me, calmly: "You're going to hurt someone driving like that."
> Man in Truck, screaming: "You have to get out of the middle of the f*ing
> road you f*ing a*hole!"
> Me: "I was as far right as I could be with cars and road inconsistencies."
> MIT: "You were 6 feet into the road and don't even pay taxes!"
> Me: "I do in fact pay taxes, drive a car, and have a license."
> Me, still calmly: "You are going to kill someone driving like that, and
> they're going to be someone's mother, father, or kid."
> MIT, still screaming: "Well a*holes like you deserve to die."
> Me: "I really hope you have a great day."
>
> The conversation went about as well as I could have made it go but I gotta
> say it feels pretty crappy and it's distracting and a bit scary. Wish I
> would've gotten his license plate and video'd the interaction but I was too
> focused on keeping my cool. In any case, watch out for a dude in his early
> 40s with a goatee driving a big red truck around the Brooklyn neighborhood.
>
> Greg
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sadly there are people like him out there.
super gold star to you for keeping your calm, not all people would have had the ability to do that.
M
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From: Greg Sanders
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 9:08 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Violent driver
Around 7am I was biking north on 12th Ave and was clearly intentionally buzzed on an open road by a dude in a red truck. Gave him a "what was that for?" wave and he threw his hand up in response. I caught up to him at the light at Milwaukie and Powell and pulled into the right side of the left lane next to him, where I would need to be for my left turn. As I approached, he swung his door open violently in an attempt to hit me or show that he wanted to hit me. I got close enough and looked over to indicate that I wanted to talk and he rolled down his window. I focused all of my energy on remaining calm and collected and friendly because I had it in my head that that was the best approach. Here's how the conversation went.
Me, calmly: "You're going to hurt someone driving like that."
Man in Truck, screaming: "You have to get out of the middle of the f*ing road you f*ing a*hole!"
Me: "I was as far right as I could be with cars and road inconsistencies."
MIT: "You were 6 feet into the road and don't even pay taxes!"
Me: "I do in fact pay taxes, drive a car, and have a license."
Me, still calmly: "You are going to kill someone driving like that, and they're going to be someone's mother, father, or kid."
MIT, still screaming: "Well a*holes like you deserve to die."
Me: "I really hope you have a great day."
The conversation went about as well as I could have made it go but I gotta say it feels pretty crappy and it's distracting and a bit scary. Wish I would've gotten his license plate and video'd the interaction but I was too focused on keeping my cool. In any case, watch out for a dude in his early 40s with a goatee driving a big red truck around the Brooklyn neighborhood.
Greg
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I'm starting to believe a GoPro recording commutes is the only way to go. $250 is cheap insurance for the cyclist to ensure people like this pay the price for this type of road rage. It's hard to prove otherwise, but a full recording for the officers to view would seal the fate of these a-holes!
My 2cents
GC
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Greg Sanders wrote:
> Around 7am I was biking north on 12th Ave and was clearly intentionally buzzed on an open road by a dude in a red truck. Gave him a "what was that for?" wave and he threw his hand up in response. I caught up to him at the light at Milwaukie and Powell and pulled into the right side of the left lane next to him, where I would need to be for my left turn. As I approached, he swung his door open violently in an attempt to hit me or show that he wanted to hit me. I got close enough and looked over to indicate that I wanted to talk and he rolled down his window. I focused all of my energy on remaining calm and collected and friendly because I had it in my head that that was the best approach. Here's how the conversation went.
>
> Me, calmly: "You're going to hurt someone driving like that."
> Man in Truck, screaming: "You have to get out of the middle of the f*ing road you f*ing a*hole!"
> Me: "I was as far right as I could be with cars and road inconsistencies."
> MIT: "You were 6 feet into the road and don't even pay taxes!"
> Me: "I do in fact pay taxes, drive a car, and have a license."
> Me, still calmly: "You are going to kill someone driving like that, and they're going to be someone's mother, father, or kid."
> MIT, still screaming: "Well a*holes like you deserve to die."
> Me: "I really hope you have a great day."
>
> The conversation went about as well as I could have made it go but I gotta say it feels pretty crappy and it's distracting and a bit scary. Wish I would've gotten his license plate and video'd the interaction but I was too focused on keeping my cool. In any case, watch out for a dude in his early 40s with a goatee driving a big red truck around the Brooklyn neighborhood.
>
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Around 7am I was biking north on 12th Ave and was clearly intentionally buzzed on an open road by a dude in a red truck. Gave him a "what was that for?" wave and he threw his hand up in response. I caught up to him at the light at Milwaukie and Powell and pulled into the right side of the left lane next to him, where I would need to be for my left turn. As I approached, he swung his door open violently in an attempt to hit me or show that he wanted to hit me. I got close enough and looked over to indicate that I wanted to talk and he rolled down his window. I focused all of my energy on remaining calm and collected and friendly because I had it in my head that that was the best approach. Here's how the conversation went.
Me, calmly: "You're going to hurt someone driving like that."
Man in Truck, screaming: "You have to get out of the middle of the f*ing road you f*ing a*hole!"
Me: "I was as far right as I could be with cars and road inconsistencies."
MIT: "You were 6 feet into the road and don't even pay taxes!"
Me: "I do in fact pay taxes, drive a car, and have a license."
Me, still calmly: "You are going to kill someone driving like that, and they're going to be someone's mother, father, or kid."
MIT, still screaming: "Well a*holes like you deserve to die."
Me: "I really hope you have a great day."
The conversation went about as well as I could have made it go but I gotta say it feels pretty crappy and it's distracting and a bit scary. Wish I would've gotten his license plate and video'd the interaction but I was too focused on keeping my cool. In any case, watch out for a dude in his early 40s with a goatee driving a big red truck around the Brooklyn neighborhood.
Greg
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