Strengthen Anti-Doping in OBRA

And then there is the 1984 Olympic blood doping scandal, which cost the job
of then-USCF president Rob Lea. Important in all of this is that the blood
doping was bungled by the USCF coaching staff.

== Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Murray
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 4:17 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Strengthen Anti-Doping in OBRA

It is a certainty that there are people doping but not performing well.
There is nowhere near a one-to-one correlation between doping and good
performance.

Mike Murray

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Don Joling
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 16:13
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Strengthen Anti-Doping in OBRA

And let's face it, if you're doping in OBRA, and winning (a lot), sooner or
later you're going to go off to Nationals or MHCC or Cascade Classic, or win
a Grand Fondo or get noticed by a pro team, then there you get caught. It's
self limiting, and if you want to use PED's to be the most badass Cat C
Masters 35+ cross guy (or gal) and it helps your ego; I'm not sure I care.
It's your body.
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rondot@spiritone.com

2012-09-04

New for Fall Season! The OBRA Quilt! Get it while supplies last. Not available at retail outlets. OBRA Chat is your only source! Free shipping through September 10th and if you are one of the first 200 to order, you will receive enough batting (soaked in testosterone) for a Queen-sized Quilt. Call 1-800-NOW-OBRA.
You need this Quilt!
no name ronnie

From: greg Fredericks
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 5:37 PM
To: mike murry ; OBRA
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Strengthen Anti-Doping in OBRA

I have noticed lots of overly skinny bike racers. I suspect they are doing crank(s)- Shimano, carbon, Campagnolo...
-gf-

> From: mike.murray@obra.org
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 16:17:13 -0700
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Strengthen Anti-Doping in OBRA
>
> It is a certainty that there are people doping but not performing well.
> There is nowhere near a one-to-one correlation between doping and good
> performance.
>
> Mike Murray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Don Joling
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 16:13
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Strengthen Anti-Doping in OBRA
>
> And let's face it, if you're doping in OBRA, and winning (a lot), sooner or
> later you're going to go off to Nationals or MHCC or Cascade Classic, or win
> a Grand Fondo or get noticed by a pro team, then there you get caught. It's
> self limiting, and if you want to use PED's to be the most badass Cat C
> Masters 35+ cross guy (or gal) and it helps your ego; I'm not sure I care.
> It's your body.
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greg Fredericks

2012-09-04

I have noticed lots of overly skinny bike racers. I suspect they are doing crank(s)- Shimano, carbon, Campagnolo...-gf-

> From: mike.murray@obra.org
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 16:17:13 -0700
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Strengthen Anti-Doping in OBRA
>
> It is a certainty that there are people doping but not performing well.
> There is nowhere near a one-to-one correlation between doping and good
> performance.
>
> Mike Murray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Don Joling
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 16:13
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Strengthen Anti-Doping in OBRA
>
> And let's face it, if you're doping in OBRA, and winning (a lot), sooner or
> later you're going to go off to Nationals or MHCC or Cascade Classic, or win
> a Grand Fondo or get noticed by a pro team, then there you get caught. It's
> self limiting, and if you want to use PED's to be the most badass Cat C
> Masters 35+ cross guy (or gal) and it helps your ego; I'm not sure I care.
> It's your body.
> _______________________________________________
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> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
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Mike Murray

2012-09-03

It is a certainty that there are people doping but not performing well.
There is nowhere near a one-to-one correlation between doping and good
performance.

Mike Murray

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Don Joling
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 16:13
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Strengthen Anti-Doping in OBRA

And let's face it, if you're doping in OBRA, and winning (a lot), sooner or
later you're going to go off to Nationals or MHCC or Cascade Classic, or win
a Grand Fondo or get noticed by a pro team, then there you get caught. It's
self limiting, and if you want to use PED's to be the most badass Cat C
Masters 35+ cross guy (or gal) and it helps your ego; I'm not sure I care.
It's your body.
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Shane Gibson

2012-09-03

...and even Caffeine is considered a prohibited substance according to
WADA:

http://list.wada-ama.org/list/s6-stimulants/#caffeine

I'd fail that one ... :)

~~shane

--
"Opportunities multiply as they are seized." - Sun Tzu

On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Mike Murray wrote:

> A few points:
>
> 1) USAC unilaterally walked away from the USAC/OBRA reciprocity agreement.
> OBRA would be interested in continuing the agreement but USAC is not.
>
> 2) USAC suspended rider can be excluded from OBRA events:
> "13.6 Suspension reciprocity
> Any OBRA member who is suspended by another athletic organization shall
> notify the OBRA Executive Director. When OBRA becomes aware of such a
> suspension, the OBRA Executive Director will investigate the circumstances
> of the suspension and may impose a similar suspension".
> Under this rule one could, for example, be expelled for starting a fight
> at a bar darts tournament and be limited from OBRA events until the bar
> lets you back in. Historically this has been invoked several times to
> prohibit participation by riders that are suspended by USAC.
>
> 3) The OBRA penalties for doping violations were intentionally made
> lenient because the burden of proof is also low. Since the doping rules
> are in the racing rules it requires a vote of club representatives and not
> a board of directors action to change the penalties. This is a simple
> matter. Any member who wishes to change the penalties they merely need to
> present the proposed rule change in writing which then gets voted on,
> generally at the annual meeting.
>
> 4) I don't believe that WADA is interested in having local sporting
> organizations sign on as signatories. Rose City Softball, for example, is
> also not listed as a signatory.
>
> 5) OBRA doping rules incorporate the WADA prohibited substance list as
> well as similar wording with regards to offenses.
>
> 5) Assuming that "implementing a doping control program" means testing for
> doping this is outside of the financial resources for OBRA. I have been
> told that a single full WADA prohibited substances test can cost well north
> of $1000. It would be possible, although still costly, to use more
> selective and less specific testing but this would introduce the problem of
> using even less accurate tests.
>
> Doping is not nearly so binary an issue as many people seem to think. It
> is not always doping vs. not doping. For example, although it may make
> some sense to prohibit competitors in elite level events from taking
> methylphenidate, as is currently done by WADA, I am not so sure that it
> makes sense to tell every person who is successfully using this drug to
> treat ADD that they can't race local bike races. There are similar
> arguments to be made for many other items on the prohibited list up to and
> including EPO and anabolics. The real defense against doping is to make
> sure that we don't take bike racing too seriously. For nearly all the OBRA
> members this is just a fun and healthy thing that we do. When people start
> to take it too seriously then they become willing to take excessive risks.
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of dazey1871
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 14:46
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Strengthen Anti-Doping in OBRA
>
> One thing that this whole USADA vs. Lance Armstrong matter has
> demonstrated to me is that cyclings governing bodies can have a profound
> impact on the use of PEDs by its members. If Floyd Landis, Tyler Hamilton,
> and to a certain extent, the USADA can be believed, the UCI not only failed
> to enforce applicable prohibitions against the use of PEDs, it actively
> helped certain riders evade those rules. If that is true, it will
> undoubtedly go down in history as biggest disgrace in all of professional
> sports.
>
> We Oregonians seemingly take great pride that our governing body, OBRA, is
> an independent organization that operates outside the auspices of the USAC
> and its relationship to the UCI. While I can never imagine OBRA engaging
> in the type of conspiracy in which the UCI is alleged to have participated,
> I have to wonder if we are guilty of an even greater sin. While the UCI
> may have turned a blind eye to rampant doping, we havent even bothered to
> open our eyes to the scourge of doping likely occurring in our ranks.
>
> One of our members recently posted a link to the recent doping bust of two
> amateur racers in New York. Heres the link in case you missed it:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/28/sports/cycling/doping-in-cycling-reaches-into-amateur-ranks.html Its a chilling account of the lengths to which a forty-something Cat IV
> racer would go for nothing more than bragging rights. He bought PEDs
> on-line and through medical sources and self-administered them. If you
> dont believe there is a significant likelihood that this is occurring
> right now in the ranks of OBRA, then you are COMPLETELY DELUSIONAL! Just
> remember back to the heart-breaking example of Kenny Williams in Washington.
>
> What is OBRA and its membership doing about PEDs? As far as I know, OBRA
> is not a signatory to the WADA Code. At one time, OBRA and USA Cycling had
> a reciprocity agreement that at least required OBRA to honor all
> disciplinary suspensions issued by the UCI, USADA, and WADA: (
> http://static.wsbaracing.com/docs/AR_M450_20100317_102247.pdf). However,
> as far as I can tell, that agreement has since expired. Consequently, it
> is possible that Lance, himself, could line up for the upcoming Cross
> Crusade. I certainly cant see any regulatory basis to exclude him or any
> other doper busted under WADA rules.
>
> So, what do the OBRA rules state about doping? Heres the link to OBRAs
> rules:
> http://www.obra.org/pdfs/2012rules.pdf
> The prohibitions on doping are found in Section 19. What do those rules
> state? Simply that OBRA members cannot use PEDs (seemingly incorporating
> WADAs definition of prohibited substances), possess PEDS, or distribute
> PEDS. The rules also mention doping controls. It is a rules violation to
> refuse to participate in a doping control or to alter a sample. However,
> has anyone in the history of OBRA actually been subject to an
> OBRA-administered doping control? I would really love to know.
>
> So, what happens if you violate OBRAs anti-doping rules? On a first
> offense a rider could get busted being loaded with EPO, HGH, testosterone,
> horse steroids, and crack, and would face the horrid, unbearable prospect
> of---wait for it, wait for it, a ONE MONTH SUSPENSION!! I have been
> sidelined longer with a saddle sore. Heck, a racer could get busted
> distributing PEDs to junior racers and get a one month suspension if it was
> a first offense. Second offenses require a one year suspension (1/2 of
> the USAC mandated suspension). Third offenses bring lifetime bans.
>
> Really? Is this the best we can do in Oregon? Is this the example that
> we want to set for junior racers and other cyclists across the country? I
> dont think so. We can either continue operating in a complete state of
> denial or we can do something meaningful. I believe that OBRAs board
> should do the following: (1) make OBRA a signatory to the WADA code; (2)
> implement an active doping control program; and (3) ban Lance Armstrong, or
> any other USADA/WADA sanctioned rider from competing in any OBRA-sanctioned
> event.
>
> We all need to be part of the solution. Im willing to be drug-tested.
> Are you?
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
> _______________________________________________
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>


Don Joling

2012-09-03

And let's face it, if you're doping in OBRA, and winning (a lot), sooner or later you're going to go off to Nationals or MHCC or Cascade Classic, or win a Grand Fondo or get noticed by a pro team, then there you get caught. It's self limiting, and if you want to use PED's to be the most badass Cat C Masters 35+ cross guy (or gal) and it helps your ego; I'm not sure I care. It's your body.


Mike Murray

2012-09-03

FWIW, not an address listed on the extended OBRA database either. Care to
identify yourself?

Mike Murray

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Erik Voldengen
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 15:51
To: dazey1871
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Strengthen Anti-Doping in OBRA

Is this another USCF troll? No name signed. No previous posts. Don't
bite, just delete it and let it go.

On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 2:45 PM, dazey1871 wrote:

One thing that this whole USADA vs. Lance Armstrong matter has demonstrated
to me is that cycling's governing bodies can have a profound impact on the
use of PEDs by its members. If Floyd Landis, Tyler Hamilton, and to a
certain extent, the USADA can be believed, the UCI not only failed to
enforce applicable prohibitions against the use of PEDs, it actively helped
certain riders evade those rules. If that is true, it will undoubtedly go
down in history as biggest disgrace in all of professional sports.

We Oregonians seemingly take great pride that our governing body, OBRA, is
an independent organization that operates outside the auspices of the USAC
and its relationship to the UCI. While I can never imagine OBRA engaging in
the type of conspiracy in which the UCI is alleged to have participated, I
have to wonder if we are guilty of an even greater sin. While the UCI may
have turned a blind eye to rampant doping, we haven't even bothered to open
our eyes to the scourge of doping likely occurring in our ranks.

One of our members recently posted a link to the recent doping bust of two
amateur racers in New York. Here's the link in case you missed it:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/28/sports/cycling/doping-in-cycling-reaches-i
nto-amateur-ranks.html It's a chilling account of the lengths to which a
forty-something Cat IV racer would go for nothing more than bragging rights.
He bought PEDs on-line and through medical sources and self-administered
them. If you don't believe there is a significant likelihood that this is
occurring right now in the ranks of OBRA, then you are COMPLETELY
DELUSIONAL! Just remember back to the heart-breaking example of Kenny
Williams in Washington.

What is OBRA and its membership doing about PEDs? As far as I know, OBRA is
not a signatory to the WADA Code. At one time, OBRA and USA Cycling had a
reciprocity agreement that at least required OBRA to honor all disciplinary
suspensions issued by the UCI, USADA, and WADA:
(http://static.wsbaracing.com/docs/AR_M450_20100317_102247.pdf). However,
as far as I can tell, that agreement has since expired. Consequently, it is
possible that Lance, himself, could line up for the upcoming Cross Crusade.
I certainly can't see any regulatory basis to exclude him or any other doper
busted under WADA rules.

So, what do the OBRA rules state about doping? Here's the link to OBRA's
rules:
http://www.obra.org/pdfs/2012rules.pdf
The prohibitions on doping are found in Section 19. What do those rules
state? Simply that OBRA members cannot use PEDs (seemingly incorporating
WADA's definition of prohibited substances), possess PEDS, or distribute
PEDS. The rules also mention doping controls. It is a rules violation to
refuse to participate in a doping control or to alter a sample. However,
has anyone in the history of OBRA actually been subject to an
OBRA-administered doping control? I would really love to know.

So, what happens if you violate OBRA's anti-doping rules? On a "first
offense" a rider could get busted being loaded with EPO, HGH, testosterone,
horse steroids, and crack, and would face the horrid, unbearable prospect
of---wait for it, wait for it, a ONE MONTH SUSPENSION!! I have been
sidelined longer with a saddle sore. Heck, a racer could get busted
distributing PEDs to junior racers and get a one month suspension if it was
a "first offense." Second offenses require a one year suspension (1/2 of
the USAC mandated suspension). Third offenses bring lifetime bans.

Really? Is this the best we can do in Oregon? Is this the example that we
want to set for junior racers and other cyclists across the country? I
don't think so. We can either continue operating in a complete state of
denial or we can do something meaningful. I believe that OBRA's board
should do the following: (1) make OBRA a signatory to the WADA code; (2)
implement an active doping control program; and (3) ban Lance Armstrong, or
any other USADA/WADA sanctioned rider from competing in any OBRA-sanctioned
event.

We all need to be part of the solution. I'm willing to be drug-tested. Are
you?
_______________________________________________
OBRA mailing list
obra@list.obra.org
http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org


Mike Murray

2012-09-03

A few points:

1) USAC unilaterally walked away from the USAC/OBRA reciprocity agreement. OBRA would be interested in continuing the agreement but USAC is not.

2) USAC suspended rider can be excluded from OBRA events:
"13.6 Suspension reciprocity
Any OBRA member who is suspended by another athletic organization shall notify the OBRA Executive Director. When OBRA becomes aware of such a suspension, the OBRA Executive Director will investigate the circumstances of the suspension and may impose a similar suspension".
Under this rule one could, for example, be expelled for starting a fight at a bar darts tournament and be limited from OBRA events until the bar lets you back in. Historically this has been invoked several times to prohibit participation by riders that are suspended by USAC.

3) The OBRA penalties for doping violations were intentionally made lenient because the burden of proof is also low. Since the doping rules are in the racing rules it requires a vote of club representatives and not a board of directors action to change the penalties. This is a simple matter. Any member who wishes to change the penalties they merely need to present the proposed rule change in writing which then gets voted on, generally at the annual meeting.

4) I don't believe that WADA is interested in having local sporting organizations sign on as signatories. Rose City Softball, for example, is also not listed as a signatory.

5) OBRA doping rules incorporate the WADA prohibited substance list as well as similar wording with regards to offenses.

5) Assuming that "implementing a doping control program" means testing for doping this is outside of the financial resources for OBRA. I have been told that a single full WADA prohibited substances test can cost well north of $1000. It would be possible, although still costly, to use more selective and less specific testing but this would introduce the problem of using even less accurate tests.

Doping is not nearly so binary an issue as many people seem to think. It is not always doping vs. not doping. For example, although it may make some sense to prohibit competitors in elite level events from taking methylphenidate, as is currently done by WADA, I am not so sure that it makes sense to tell every person who is successfully using this drug to treat ADD that they can't race local bike races. There are similar arguments to be made for many other items on the prohibited list up to and including EPO and anabolics. The real defense against doping is to make sure that we don't take bike racing too seriously. For nearly all the OBRA members this is just a fun and healthy thing that we do. When people start to take it too seriously then they become willing to take excessive risks.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of dazey1871
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 14:46
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Strengthen Anti-Doping in OBRA

One thing that this whole USADA vs. Lance Armstrong matter has demonstrated to me is that cyclings governing bodies can have a profound impact on the use of PEDs by its members. If Floyd Landis, Tyler Hamilton, and to a certain extent, the USADA can be believed, the UCI not only failed to enforce applicable prohibitions against the use of PEDs, it actively helped certain riders evade those rules. If that is true, it will undoubtedly go down in history as biggest disgrace in all of professional sports.

We Oregonians seemingly take great pride that our governing body, OBRA, is an independent organization that operates outside the auspices of the USAC and its relationship to the UCI. While I can never imagine OBRA engaging in the type of conspiracy in which the UCI is alleged to have participated, I have to wonder if we are guilty of an even greater sin. While the UCI may have turned a blind eye to rampant doping, we havent even bothered to open our eyes to the scourge of doping likely occurring in our ranks.

One of our members recently posted a link to the recent doping bust of two amateur racers in New York. Heres the link in case you missed it: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/28/sports/cycling/doping-in-cycling-reaches-into-amateur-ranks.html Its a chilling account of the lengths to which a forty-something Cat IV racer would go for nothing more than bragging rights. He bought PEDs on-line and through medical sources and self-administered them. If you dont believe there is a significant likelihood that this is occurring right now in the ranks of OBRA, then you are COMPLETELY DELUSIONAL! Just remember back to the heart-breaking example of Kenny Williams in Washington.

What is OBRA and its membership doing about PEDs? As far as I know, OBRA is not a signatory to the WADA Code. At one time, OBRA and USA Cycling had a reciprocity agreement that at least required OBRA to honor all disciplinary suspensions issued by the UCI, USADA, and WADA: (http://static.wsbaracing.com/docs/AR_M450_20100317_102247.pdf). However, as far as I can tell, that agreement has since expired. Consequently, it is possible that Lance, himself, could line up for the upcoming Cross Crusade. I certainly cant see any regulatory basis to exclude him or any other doper busted under WADA rules.

So, what do the OBRA rules state about doping? Heres the link to OBRAs rules:
http://www.obra.org/pdfs/2012rules.pdf
The prohibitions on doping are found in Section 19. What do those rules state? Simply that OBRA members cannot use PEDs (seemingly incorporating WADAs definition of prohibited substances), possess PEDS, or distribute PEDS. The rules also mention doping controls. It is a rules violation to refuse to participate in a doping control or to alter a sample. However, has anyone in the history of OBRA actually been subject to an OBRA-administered doping control? I would really love to know.

So, what happens if you violate OBRAs anti-doping rules? On a first offense a rider could get busted being loaded with EPO, HGH, testosterone, horse steroids, and crack, and would face the horrid, unbearable prospect of---wait for it, wait for it, a ONE MONTH SUSPENSION!! I have been sidelined longer with a saddle sore. Heck, a racer could get busted distributing PEDs to junior racers and get a one month suspension if it was a first offense. Second offenses require a one year suspension (1/2 of the USAC mandated suspension). Third offenses bring lifetime bans.

Really? Is this the best we can do in Oregon? Is this the example that we want to set for junior racers and other cyclists across the country? I dont think so. We can either continue operating in a complete state of denial or we can do something meaningful. I believe that OBRAs board should do the following: (1) make OBRA a signatory to the WADA code; (2) implement an active doping control program; and (3) ban Lance Armstrong, or any other USADA/WADA sanctioned rider from competing in any OBRA-sanctioned event.

We all need to be part of the solution. Im willing to be drug-tested. Are you?
_______________________________________________
OBRA mailing list
obra@list.obra.org
http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org


Erik Voldengen

2012-09-03

Is this another USCF troll? No name signed. No previous posts. Don't
bite, just delete it and let it go.

On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 2:45 PM, dazey1871 wrote:

> One thing that this whole USADA vs. Lance Armstrong matter has
> demonstrated to me is that cyclings governing bodies can have a profound
> impact on the use of PEDs by its members. If Floyd Landis, Tyler Hamilton,
> and to a certain extent, the USADA can be believed, the UCI not only failed
> to enforce applicable prohibitions against the use of PEDs, it actively
> helped certain riders evade those rules. If that is true, it will
> undoubtedly go down in history as biggest disgrace in all of professional
> sports.
>
> We Oregonians seemingly take great pride that our governing body, OBRA, is
> an independent organization that operates outside the auspices of the USAC
> and its relationship to the UCI. While I can never imagine OBRA engaging
> in the type of conspiracy in which the UCI is alleged to have participated,
> I have to wonder if we are guilty of an even greater sin. While the UCI
> may have turned a blind eye to rampant doping, we havent even bothered to
> open our eyes to the scourge of doping likely occurring in our ranks.
>
> One of our members recently posted a link to the recent doping bust of two
> amateur racers in New York. Heres the link in case you missed it:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/28/sports/cycling/doping-in-cycling-reaches-into-amateur-ranks.html Its a chilling account of the lengths to which a forty-something Cat IV
> racer would go for nothing more than bragging rights. He bought PEDs
> on-line and through medical sources and self-administered them. If you
> dont believe there is a significant likelihood that this is occurring
> right now in the ranks of OBRA, then you are COMPLETELY DELUSIONAL! Just
> remember back to the heart-breaking example of Kenny Williams in Washington.
>
> What is OBRA and its membership doing about PEDs? As far as I know, OBRA
> is not a signatory to the WADA Code. At one time, OBRA and USA Cycling had
> a reciprocity agreement that at least required OBRA to honor all
> disciplinary suspensions issued by the UCI, USADA, and WADA: (
> http://static.wsbaracing.com/docs/AR_M450_20100317_102247.pdf). However,
> as far as I can tell, that agreement has since expired. Consequently, it
> is possible that Lance, himself, could line up for the upcoming Cross
> Crusade. I certainly cant see any regulatory basis to exclude him or any
> other doper busted under WADA rules.
>
> So, what do the OBRA rules state about doping? Heres the link to OBRAs
> rules:
> http://www.obra.org/pdfs/2012rules.pdf
> The prohibitions on doping are found in Section 19. What do those rules
> state? Simply that OBRA members cannot use PEDs (seemingly incorporating
> WADAs definition of prohibited substances), possess PEDS, or distribute
> PEDS. The rules also mention doping controls. It is a rules violation to
> refuse to participate in a doping control or to alter a sample. However,
> has anyone in the history of OBRA actually been subject to an
> OBRA-administered doping control? I would really love to know.
>
> So, what happens if you violate OBRAs anti-doping rules? On a first
> offense a rider could get busted being loaded with EPO, HGH, testosterone,
> horse steroids, and crack, and would face the horrid, unbearable prospect
> of---wait for it, wait for it, a ONE MONTH SUSPENSION!! I have been
> sidelined longer with a saddle sore. Heck, a racer could get busted
> distributing PEDs to junior racers and get a one month suspension if it was
> a first offense. Second offenses require a one year suspension (1/2 of
> the USAC mandated suspension). Third offenses bring lifetime bans.
>
> Really? Is this the best we can do in Oregon? Is this the example that
> we want to set for junior racers and other cyclists across the country? I
> dont think so. We can either continue operating in a complete state of
> denial or we can do something meaningful. I believe that OBRAs board
> should do the following: (1) make OBRA a signatory to the WADA code; (2)
> implement an active doping control program; and (3) ban Lance Armstrong, or
> any other USADA/WADA sanctioned rider from competing in any OBRA-sanctioned
> event.
>
> We all need to be part of the solution. Im willing to be drug-tested.
> Are you?
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T. Kenji Sugahara

2012-09-03

Sure- if you guys want to pay for it.

On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 2:45 PM, dazey1871 wrote:
> One thing that this whole USADA vs. Lance Armstrong matter has demonstrated to me is that cyclings governing bodies can have a profound impact on the use of PEDs by its members. If Floyd Landis, Tyler Hamilton, and to a certain extent, the USADA can be believed, the UCI not only failed to enforce applicable prohibitions against the use of PEDs, it actively helped certain riders evade those rules. If that is true, it will undoubtedly go down in history as biggest disgrace in all of professional sports.
>
> We Oregonians seemingly take great pride that our governing body, OBRA, is an independent organization that operates outside the auspices of the USAC and its relationship to the UCI. While I can never imagine OBRA engaging in the type of conspiracy in which the UCI is alleged to have participated, I have to wonder if we are guilty of an even greater sin. While the UCI may have turned a blind eye to rampant doping, we havent even bothered to open our eyes to the scourge of doping likely occurring in our ranks.
>
> One of our members recently posted a link to the recent doping bust of two amateur racers in New York. Heres the link in case you missed it: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/28/sports/cycling/doping-in-cycling-reaches-into-amateur-ranks.html Its a chilling account of the lengths to which a forty-something Cat IV racer would go for nothing more than bragging rights. He bought PEDs on-line and through medical sources and self-administered them. If you dont believe there is a significant likelihood that this is occurring right now in the ranks of OBRA, then you are COMPLETELY DELUSIONAL! Just remember back to the heart-breaking example of Kenny Williams in Washington.
>
> What is OBRA and its membership doing about PEDs? As far as I know, OBRA is not a signatory to the WADA Code. At one time, OBRA and USA Cycling had a reciprocity agreement that at least required OBRA to honor all disciplinary suspensions issued by the UCI, USADA, and WADA: (http://static.wsbaracing.com/docs/AR_M450_20100317_102247.pdf). However, as far as I can tell, that agreement has since expired. Consequently, it is possible that Lance, himself, could line up for the upcoming Cross Crusade. I certainly cant see any regulatory basis to exclude him or any other doper busted under WADA rules.
>
> So, what do the OBRA rules state about doping? Heres the link to OBRAs rules:
> http://www.obra.org/pdfs/2012rules.pdf
> The prohibitions on doping are found in Section 19. What do those rules state? Simply that OBRA members cannot use PEDs (seemingly incorporating WADAs definition of prohibited substances), possess PEDS, or distribute PEDS. The rules also mention doping controls. It is a rules violation to refuse to participate in a doping control or to alter a sample. However, has anyone in the history of OBRA actually been subject to an OBRA-administered doping control? I would really love to know.
>
> So, what happens if you violate OBRAs anti-doping rules? On a first offense a rider could get busted being loaded with EPO, HGH, testosterone, horse steroids, and crack, and would face the horrid, unbearable prospect of---wait for it, wait for it, a ONE MONTH SUSPENSION!! I have been sidelined longer with a saddle sore. Heck, a racer could get busted distributing PEDs to junior racers and get a one month suspension if it was a first offense. Second offenses require a one year suspension (1/2 of the USAC mandated suspension). Third offenses bring lifetime bans.
>
> Really? Is this the best we can do in Oregon? Is this the example that we want to set for junior racers and other cyclists across the country? I dont think so. We can either continue operating in a complete state of denial or we can do something meaningful. I believe that OBRAs board should do the following: (1) make OBRA a signatory to the WADA code; (2) implement an active doping control program; and (3) ban Lance Armstrong, or any other USADA/WADA sanctioned rider from competing in any OBRA-sanctioned event.
>
> We all need to be part of the solution. Im willing to be drug-tested. Are you?
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org

--
Kenji Sugahara
Executive Director
Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
Phone: 503-278-5550
http://www.obra.org


dazey1871

2012-09-03

One thing that this whole USADA vs. Lance Armstrong matter has demonstrated to me is that cyclings governing bodies can have a profound impact on the use of PEDs by its members. If Floyd Landis, Tyler Hamilton, and to a certain extent, the USADA can be believed, the UCI not only failed to enforce applicable prohibitions against the use of PEDs, it actively helped certain riders evade those rules. If that is true, it will undoubtedly go down in history as biggest disgrace in all of professional sports.

We Oregonians seemingly take great pride that our governing body, OBRA, is an independent organization that operates outside the auspices of the USAC and its relationship to the UCI. While I can never imagine OBRA engaging in the type of conspiracy in which the UCI is alleged to have participated, I have to wonder if we are guilty of an even greater sin. While the UCI may have turned a blind eye to rampant doping, we havent even bothered to open our eyes to the scourge of doping likely occurring in our ranks.

One of our members recently posted a link to the recent doping bust of two amateur racers in New York. Heres the link in case you missed it: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/28/sports/cycling/doping-in-cycling-reaches-into-amateur-ranks.html Its a chilling account of the lengths to which a forty-something Cat IV racer would go for nothing more than bragging rights. He bought PEDs on-line and through medical sources and self-administered them. If you dont believe there is a significant likelihood that this is occurring right now in the ranks of OBRA, then you are COMPLETELY DELUSIONAL! Just remember back to the heart-breaking example of Kenny Williams in Washington.

What is OBRA and its membership doing about PEDs? As far as I know, OBRA is not a signatory to the WADA Code. At one time, OBRA and USA Cycling had a reciprocity agreement that at least required OBRA to honor all disciplinary suspensions issued by the UCI, USADA, and WADA: (http://static.wsbaracing.com/docs/AR_M450_20100317_102247.pdf). However, as far as I can tell, that agreement has since expired. Consequently, it is possible that Lance, himself, could line up for the upcoming Cross Crusade. I certainly cant see any regulatory basis to exclude him or any other doper busted under WADA rules.

So, what do the OBRA rules state about doping? Heres the link to OBRAs rules:
http://www.obra.org/pdfs/2012rules.pdf
The prohibitions on doping are found in Section 19. What do those rules state? Simply that OBRA members cannot use PEDs (seemingly incorporating WADAs definition of prohibited substances), possess PEDS, or distribute PEDS. The rules also mention doping controls. It is a rules violation to refuse to participate in a doping control or to alter a sample. However, has anyone in the history of OBRA actually been subject to an OBRA-administered doping control? I would really love to know.

So, what happens if you violate OBRAs anti-doping rules? On a first offense a rider could get busted being loaded with EPO, HGH, testosterone, horse steroids, and crack, and would face the horrid, unbearable prospect of---wait for it, wait for it, a ONE MONTH SUSPENSION!! I have been sidelined longer with a saddle sore. Heck, a racer could get busted distributing PEDs to junior racers and get a one month suspension if it was a first offense. Second offenses require a one year suspension (1/2 of the USAC mandated suspension). Third offenses bring lifetime bans.

Really? Is this the best we can do in Oregon? Is this the example that we want to set for junior racers and other cyclists across the country? I dont think so. We can either continue operating in a complete state of denial or we can do something meaningful. I believe that OBRAs board should do the following: (1) make OBRA a signatory to the WADA code; (2) implement an active doping control program; and (3) ban Lance Armstrong, or any other USADA/WADA sanctioned rider from competing in any OBRA-sanctioned event.

We all need to be part of the solution. Im willing to be drug-tested. Are you?