william fasano

This should ease the tension between cars and cyclists.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/25/tech/innovation/self-driving-car-california/index.html?c=us&page=2

Thats right: SELF DRIVING CARS!!
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Al wrote:

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> To: obra
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>> This woman actually sounds perfect for my brother Jim who recently became
>> single and moved to the area. He has a track record of turning crazy (Oh no
>> I'm not going to drop the b-word) women into sane rational functioning
>> members of society. I've had this conversation with Jim over and over where
>> I say, "Jim, you're not seriously going to try and date that woman," and
>> then a week later she's all behavin' herself on his arm and I can't believe
>> this was the same chick who was dry humping the mechanical bull at Billy
>> Goat's Bar and Grill a week earlier. Now, if she's got a meth habit -- and
>> it sure sounds like she might -- then it's going to take a little longer
>> than a week. But if anyone can turn her around, it's Jim.
>> Martina, if you catch up with her fourth time do you think you could get
>> her number for Jim?
>>
>>
>> > Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 12:04:19 -0700
>> > From: ralle201@yahoo.com
>> > To: obra@list.obra.org
>> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] You make us all look like a$%holes.
>> >
>> > Dear Lady Cyclist,
>> > the first time I caught a glimpse of you was this morning when you
>> passed me on Clinton St heading east just past SE 26th. You were flying
>> down the street and I was secretly wondering whether you were a
>> professional cyclist dressed casual with a nice red bag and a great striped
>> skateboard type helmet. Or maybe you were in a huge hurry, maybe you were
>> awarded a grant prize for commuting on your bike? You proceeded by taking a
>> sharp full-speed right turn onto 21 first like it was Sunday parkways where
>> the roads were closed to cars. On 21st and Division you ignored the red
>> light and took a left and right onto Ladd. This was , where you took a
>> break and your hands of the handlbar for a while and I was able to pass
>> you. You yelled at me, clearly not knowing that I was simply taking your
>> no-rule cycling as an invitation to play. Something about being rude.
>> Anyway, while I signaled you to stop at Ladd Circle you whizzed right by me
>> again (full speed) still yelling at how rude I am while I
>> w
>> > as left wondering whether my hand signal was not visible to other
>> cyclists? Thank god I saw you again on the other side of Ladd circle where
>> you turned around which made you swerve all the way to the other side of
>> the street, then stretching out both arms showing me how agile you were on
>> a bike. When I passed you, however, you looked at me with great fear like I
>> would push you over? Must have been my German face that scared you, I am so
>> sorry. You were taking a left yelling at me all the way through your turn
>> while I simply pointed out that you ran 2 stop signs and a red light and
>> make all us cyclists look like a#%holes. I was disappointed our encounter
>> was so brief. But wait, you gave me another chance to get to know you
>> better. I caught back up with you on the Hawthorne bridge. You were
>> barreling east on the left side of the walkway as it is the law and there
>> was a pedestrian coming towards you in your lane. You also yelled at that
>> poor pedestrian, who obviously didn't realize t
>> ha
>> > t you were on some important mission to somewhere. Or were you yelling
>> at him because he didn't follow the rules? Whose rules? Your rules? Dear
>> Lady Cyclist. This is Portland, not Chicago, cyclists here follow the
>> rules, it is the only way we can convince cars to respect us. Running red
>> lights and stop signs, yelling at people makes the rest of us look bad.
>> Unless of course, this was filmed as an episode of Portlandia?
>> > -martina
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 20:52:52 +0000
From: Joe Zauner
To: obra
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] You make us all look like a$%holes.
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> This woman actually sounds perfect for my brother Jim who recently became
> single and moved to the area. He has a track record of turning crazy (Oh no
> I'm not going to drop the b-word) women into sane rational functioning
> members of society. I've had this conversation with Jim over and over where
> I say, "Jim, you're not seriously going to try and date that woman," and
> then a week later she's all behavin' herself on his arm and I can't believe
> this was the same chick who was dry humping the mechanical bull at Billy
> Goat's Bar and Grill a week earlier. Now, if she's got a meth habit -- and
> it sure sounds like she might -- then it's going to take a little longer
> than a week. But if anyone can turn her around, it's Jim.
> Martina, if you catch up with her fourth time do you think you could get
> her number for Jim?
>
>
> > Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 12:04:19 -0700
> > From: ralle201@yahoo.com
> > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] You make us all look like a$%holes.
> >
> > Dear Lady Cyclist,
> > the first time I caught a glimpse of you was this morning when you
> passed me on Clinton St heading east just past SE 26th. You were flying
> down the street and I was secretly wondering whether you were a
> professional cyclist dressed casual with a nice red bag and a great striped
> skateboard type helmet. Or maybe you were in a huge hurry, maybe you were
> awarded a grant prize for commuting on your bike? You proceeded by taking a
> sharp full-speed right turn onto 21 first like it was Sunday parkways where
> the roads were closed to cars. On 21st and Division you ignored the red
> light and took a left and right onto Ladd. This was , where you took a
> break and your hands of the handlbar for a while and I was able to pass
> you. You yelled at me, clearly not knowing that I was simply taking your
> no-rule cycling as an invitation to play. Something about being rude.
> Anyway, while I signaled you to stop at Ladd Circle you whizzed right by me
> again (full speed) still yelling at how rude I am while I
> w
> > as left wondering whether my hand signal was not visible to other
> cyclists? Thank god I saw you again on the other side of Ladd circle where
> you turned around which made you swerve all the way to the other side of
> the street, then stretching out both arms showing me how agile you were on
> a bike. When I passed you, however, you looked at me with great fear like I
> would push you over? Must have been my German face that scared you, I am so
> sorry. You were taking a left yelling at me all the way through your turn
> while I simply pointed out that you ran 2 stop signs and a red light and
> make all us cyclists look like a#%holes. I was disappointed our encounter
> was so brief. But wait, you gave me another chance to get to know you
> better. I caught back up with you on the Hawthorne bridge. You were
> barreling east on the left side of the walkway as it is the law and there
> was a pedestrian coming towards you in your lane. You also yelled at that
> poor pedestrian, who obviously didn't realize t
> ha
> > t you were on some important mission to somewhere. Or were you yelling
> at him because he didn't follow the rules? Whose rules? Your rules? Dear
> Lady Cyclist. This is Portland, not Chicago, cyclists here follow the
> rules, it is the only way we can convince cars to respect us. Running red
> lights and stop signs, yelling at people makes the rest of us look bad.
> Unless of course, this was filmed as an episode of Portlandia?
> > -martina
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
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rondot@spiritone.com

All....
These folks are people doing dangerous things to others as well as themselves. You wont get me saying I think texting while driving, riding or walking or whatever are not dangerous, but they are going to continue to do it. We can get so pissed we pass even stricter laws to prevent it and they will still do it. In my opinion being respectful of others (peds. drivers, bikers etc) is the best way to go through life. I want to imagine others will be considerate as well, but realize this is not the way humans always function....because many think what they are doing is much more important than anyone else.
So, do what you do, think what you think and I will do as I do.
I guess we could just Nuke them. That would solve the initial problem right? But what about the fallout?
Just ride your bikes, drive your cars and walk down the sidewalks and paths in a courteous manner and the world will be a less stressful place.
....AND dont cut me off on the Cross course.
ronnie

From: Scott Sulllivan
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 3:20 PM
To: rondot@spiritone.com
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] You make us all look like a$%holes.

May she win the Darwin award along with others like: motorist texting at high speed and crashing and getting killed, road rage motorists, high speed motorcycles, motorcyclists riding with one hand on hip, motorcyclist swerving back and forth in rush hour to heat up their tires so they can race, motorist talking on their cell phones while driving out of a parking lot, and ALL baffoons talking on their cell phones when there is a state law against such.

From: "rondot@spiritone.com"
To: Martina ; obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] You make us all look like a$%holes.

She sounds like a jerk! But remember to let some of this stuff "go" as you can do more harm to your health when you let it get "you in a bad space" The chance of you changing her behavior is slim. A simple citation from one of Portland's finest...that comes with a fine would probably do more to change the behavior. That is what I would like to see happen in this city. More traffic citations for riders blatant traffic law violations. If we say we want to be treated equally....then we should be treated equally in that regard as well as sharing the road.
Ride Safe!
ron s.

-----Original Message----- From: Martina
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 12:04 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] You make us all look like a$%holes.

Dear Lady Cyclist,
the first time I caught a glimpse of you was this morning when you passed me on Clinton St heading east just past SE 26th. You were flying down the street and I was secretly wondering whether you were a professional cyclist dressed casual with a nice red bag and a great striped skateboard type helmet. Or maybe you were in a huge hurry, maybe you were awarded a grant prize for commuting on your bike? You proceeded by taking a sharp full-speed right turn onto 21 first like it was Sunday parkways where the roads were closed to cars. On 21st and Division you ignored the red light and took a left and right onto Ladd. This was , where you took a break and your hands of the handlbar for a while and I was able to pass you. You yelled at me, clearly not knowing that I was simply taking your no-rule cycling as an invitation to play. Something about being rude. Anyway, while I signaled you to stop at Ladd Circle you whizzed right by me again (full speed) still yelling at how rude I am while I w
as left wondering whether my hand signal was not visible to other cyclists? Thank god I saw you again on the other side of Ladd circle where you turned around which made you swerve all the way to the other side of the street, then stretching out both arms showing me how agile you were on a bike. When I passed you, however, you looked at me with great fear like I would push you over? Must have been my German face that scared you, I am so sorry. You were taking a left yelling at me all the way through your turn while I simply pointed out that you ran 2 stop signs and a red light and make all us cyclists look like a#%holes. I was disappointed our encounter was so brief. But wait, you gave me another chance to get to know you better. I caught back up with you on the Hawthorne bridge. You were barreling east on the left side of the walkway as it is the law and there was a pedestrian coming towards you in your lane. You also yelled at that poor pedestrian, who obviously didn't realize tha
t you were on some important mission to somewhere. Or were you yelling at him because he didn't follow the rules? Whose rules? Your rules? Dear Lady Cyclist. This is Portland, not Chicago, cyclists here follow the rules, it is the only way we can convince cars to respect us. Running red lights and stop signs, yelling at people makes the rest of us look bad. Unless of course, this was filmed as an episode of Portlandia?
-martina
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Joe Zauner

This woman actually sounds perfect for my brother Jim who recently became single and moved to the area. He has a track record of turning crazy (Oh no I'm not going to drop the b-word) women into sane rational functioning members of society. I've had this conversation with Jim over and over where I say, "Jim, you're not seriously going to try and date that woman," and then a week later she's all behavin' herself on his arm and I can't believe this was the same chick who was dry humping the mechanical bull at Billy Goat's Bar and Grill a week earlier. Now, if she's got a meth habit -- and it sure sounds like she might -- then it's going to take a little longer than a week. But if anyone can turn her around, it's Jim.
Martina, if you catch up with her fourth time do you think you could get her number for Jim?

> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 12:04:19 -0700
> From: ralle201@yahoo.com
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] You make us all look like a$%holes.
>
> Dear Lady Cyclist,
> the first time I caught a glimpse of you was this morning when you passed me on Clinton St heading east just past SE 26th. You were flying down the street and I was secretly wondering whether you were a professional cyclist dressed casual with a nice red bag and a great striped skateboard type helmet. Or maybe you were in a huge hurry, maybe you were awarded a grant prize for commuting on your bike? You proceeded by taking a sharp full-speed right turn onto 21 first like it was Sunday parkways where the roads were closed to cars. On 21st and Division you ignored the red light and took a left and right onto Ladd. This was , where you took a break and your hands of the handlbar for a while and I was able to pass you. You yelled at me, clearly not knowing that I was simply taking your no-rule cycling as an invitation to play. Something about being rude. Anyway, while I signaled you to stop at Ladd Circle you whizzed right by me again (full speed) still yelling at how rude I am while I w
> as left wondering whether my hand signal was not visible to other cyclists? Thank god I saw you again on the other side of Ladd circle where you turned around which made you swerve all the way to the other side of the street, then stretching out both arms showing me how agile you were on a bike. When I passed you, however, you looked at me with great fear like I would push you over? Must have been my German face that scared you, I am so sorry. You were taking a left yelling at me all the way through your turn while I simply pointed out that you ran 2 stop signs and a red light and make all us cyclists look like a#%holes. I was disappointed our encounter was so brief. But wait, you gave me another chance to get to know you better. I caught back up with you on the Hawthorne bridge. You were barreling east on the left side of the walkway as it is the law and there was a pedestrian coming towards you in your lane. You also yelled at that poor pedestrian, who obviously didn't realize tha
> t you were on some important mission to somewhere. Or were you yelling at him because he didn't follow the rules? Whose rules? Your rules? Dear Lady Cyclist. This is Portland, not Chicago, cyclists here follow the rules, it is the only way we can convince cars to respect us. Running red lights and stop signs, yelling at people makes the rest of us look bad. Unless of course, this was filmed as an episode of Portlandia?
> -martina
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dacrizzow

we are treated equally. i've paid traffic tickets into the thousands for running lights and stop signs. was even taken to jail over it once. how about we focus (more) on the cars such as drunk drivers, road rage, hit & runs, etc...people like her (and my former bike outlaw self) will either see the way through natural selection or financial impact

rondot@spiritone.com

She sounds like a jerk! But remember to let some of this stuff "go" as you
can do more harm to your health when you let it get "you in a bad space"
The chance of you changing her behavior is slim. A simple citation from one
of Portland's finest...that comes with a fine would probably do more to
change the behavior. That is what I would like to see happen in this city.
More traffic citations for riders blatant traffic law violations. If we say
we want to be treated equally....then we should be treated equally in that
regard as well as sharing the road.
Ride Safe!
ron s.

-----Original Message-----
From: Martina
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 12:04 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] You make us all look like a$%holes.

Dear Lady Cyclist,
the first time I caught a glimpse of you was this morning when you passed me
on Clinton St heading east just past SE 26th. You were flying down the
street and I was secretly wondering whether you were a professional cyclist
dressed casual with a nice red bag and a great striped skateboard type
helmet. Or maybe you were in a huge hurry, maybe you were awarded a grant
prize for commuting on your bike? You proceeded by taking a sharp full-speed
right turn onto 21 first like it was Sunday parkways where the roads were
closed to cars. On 21st and Division you ignored the red light and took a
left and right onto Ladd. This was , where you took a break and your hands
of the handlbar for a while and I was able to pass you. You yelled at me,
clearly not knowing that I was simply taking your no-rule cycling as an
invitation to play. Something about being rude. Anyway, while I signaled you
to stop at Ladd Circle you whizzed right by me again (full speed) still
yelling at how rude I am while I w
as left wondering whether my hand signal was not visible to other cyclists?
Thank god I saw you again on the other side of Ladd circle where you turned
around which made you swerve all the way to the other side of the street,
then stretching out both arms showing me how agile you were on a bike. When
I passed you, however, you looked at me with great fear like I would push
you over? Must have been my German face that scared you, I am so sorry. You
were taking a left yelling at me all the way through your turn while I
simply pointed out that you ran 2 stop signs and a red light and make all us
cyclists look like a#%holes. I was disappointed our encounter was so brief.
But wait, you gave me another chance to get to know you better. I caught
back up with you on the Hawthorne bridge. You were barreling east on the
left side of the walkway as it is the law and there was a pedestrian coming
towards you in your lane. You also yelled at that poor pedestrian, who
obviously didn't realize tha
t you were on some important mission to somewhere. Or were you yelling at
him because he didn't follow the rules? Whose rules? Your rules? Dear Lady
Cyclist. This is Portland, not Chicago, cyclists here follow the rules, it
is the only way we can convince cars to respect us. Running red lights and
stop signs, yelling at people makes the rest of us look bad. Unless of
course, this was filmed as an episode of Portlandia?
-martina
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grantcollins@ymail.com

She must have been on the "Tour of F... You!"

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=hgCqz3l33kU&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DhgCqz3l33kU

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 24, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Martina wrote:

> Dear Lady Cyclist,
> the first time I caught a glimpse of you was this morning when you passed me on Clinton St heading east just past SE 26th. You were flying down the street and I was secretly wondering whether you were a professional cyclist dressed casual with a nice red bag and a great striped skateboard type helmet. Or maybe you were in a huge hurry, maybe you were awarded a grant prize for commuting on your bike? You proceeded by taking a sharp full-speed right turn onto 21 first like it was Sunday parkways where the roads were closed to cars. On 21st and Division you ignored the red light and took a left and right onto Ladd. This was , where you took a break and your hands of the handlbar for a while and I was able to pass you. You yelled at me, clearly not knowing that I was simply taking your no-rule cycling as an invitation to play. Something about being rude. Anyway, while I signaled you to stop at Ladd Circle you whizzed right by me again (full speed) still yelling at how rude I am while I w
> as left wondering whether my hand signal was not visible to other cyclists? Thank god I saw you again on the other side of Ladd circle where you turned around which made you swerve all the way to the other side of the street, then stretching out both arms showing me how agile you were on a bike. When I passed you, however, you looked at me with great fear like I would push you over? Must have been my German face that scared you, I am so sorry. You were taking a left yelling at me all the way through your turn while I simply pointed out that you ran 2 stop signs and a red light and make all us cyclists look like a#%holes. I was disappointed our encounter was so brief. But wait, you gave me another chance to get to know you better. I caught back up with you on the Hawthorne bridge. You were barreling east on the left side of the walkway as it is the law and there was a pedestrian coming towards you in your lane. You also yelled at that poor pedestrian, who obviously didn't realize tha
> t you were on some important mission to somewhere. Or were you yelling at him because he didn't follow the rules? Whose rules? Your rules? Dear Lady Cyclist. This is Portland, not Chicago, cyclists here follow the rules, it is the only way we can convince cars to respect us. Running red lights and stop signs, yelling at people makes the rest of us look bad. Unless of course, this was filmed as an episode of Portlandia?
> -martina
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Martina

Dear Lady Cyclist,
the first time I caught a glimpse of you was this morning when you passed me on Clinton St heading east just past SE 26th. You were flying down the street and I was secretly wondering whether you were a professional cyclist dressed casual with a nice red bag and a great striped skateboard type helmet. Or maybe you were in a huge hurry, maybe you were awarded a grant prize for commuting on your bike? You proceeded by taking a sharp full-speed right turn onto 21 first like it was Sunday parkways where the roads were closed to cars. On 21st and Division you ignored the red light and took a left and right onto Ladd. This was , where you took a break and your hands of the handlbar for a while and I was able to pass you. You yelled at me, clearly not knowing that I was simply taking your no-rule cycling as an invitation to play. Something about being rude. Anyway, while I signaled you to stop at Ladd Circle you whizzed right by me again (full speed) still yelling at how rude I am while I w
as left wondering whether my hand signal was not visible to other cyclists? Thank god I saw you again on the other side of Ladd circle where you turned around which made you swerve all the way to the other side of the street, then stretching out both arms showing me how agile you were on a bike. When I passed you, however, you looked at me with great fear like I would push you over? Must have been my German face that scared you, I am so sorry. You were taking a left yelling at me all the way through your turn while I simply pointed out that you ran 2 stop signs and a red light and make all us cyclists look like a#%holes. I was disappointed our encounter was so brief. But wait, you gave me another chance to get to know you better. I caught back up with you on the Hawthorne bridge. You were barreling east on the left side of the walkway as it is the law and there was a pedestrian coming towards you in your lane. You also yelled at that poor pedestrian, who obviously didn't realize tha
t you were on some important mission to somewhere. Or were you yelling at him because he didn't follow the rules? Whose rules? Your rules? Dear Lady Cyclist. This is Portland, not Chicago, cyclists here follow the rules, it is the only way we can convince cars to respect us. Running red lights and stop signs, yelling at people makes the rest of us look bad. Unless of course, this was filmed as an episode of Portlandia?
-martina