Dan H

We have 4 left.
They cost three times more than butyl tubes but are a little lighter, have a
little less rolling resistance and provide a little better traction.
You decide if it's worth it.
Dan Houghton
Southwest Bicycle
3605 SW Multnomah Boulevard
Portland, OR 97219
www.southwestbicycle.com
503-246-0333

----- Original Message -----
From: "Evan Plews"
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Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Where to buy latex tubes for cyclocross

> This is a silly thread... forget latex tubes. They are garbage that costs
> more for less value. They don't hold air as well rot when wet and have no
> performance advantage other than weight but of course you could take some
> senna the night before but that may be necessary anyway.
>
> Get some butyl tubes. Yes the regular heavy cheap ones. Oh yeah make sure
> they are BIGGER when just filled with air than your tire. Why? Cause using
> too small tubes is the number one way to get a pinch flat. Some of us have
> known this on our moto bikes for decades but it took along time to
> convince all the weight weenie MTBers--yes i admit saving weight on tubes
> once or twice until i decided not flatting was important to a successful
> downhill race.
>
> Carefully install it (number two way to pinch a tube) inflate it until you
> only bottom out occasionally. Then learn to ride OVER the course rather
> than through it. Oh, and stay out of thorns glass and other sharp debris
> cause you still have a tube in your tire.
>
> Then when you save all that cash you would have spend on latex tubes,
> undersized tubes ultralight tubes or any other expensive waste of tubes,
> buy some NoTubes wheels or rims and get some good Kenda SCT or iron cloak
> tires and forget them--forever!
>
> Sorry if I offend all the other shop rats out there but the inner tube has
> always been the biggest cash cow of the bike industry and to think they
> have most of you convinced to sew one inside your tire and glue it on!
>
> Enjoy your tubes folks but just remember its still a tube and the butyl
> ones still work best.
>
> Evan Plews
> 503-949-4879
> www.evanplews.com
>
> grantcollins@ymail.com wrote:
>
> I heard Bill Larson at Cyclepath has a pallet of Latex Tubes for CX this
> year!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 9, 2012, at 3:09 PM, "Roger Joys (Maillists)"
> wrote:
>
>> Isn't 8 psi considered a flat?
>>
>>
>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 3:06 PM, Andrew Kreps wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Dan Anderson
>>> wrote:
>>>> No DNFs in 12 races. I ran 35/36 at Alpenrose. Probably a few psi too
>>>> high.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'll say. I was running 8.
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Evan Plews

This is a silly thread... forget latex tubes. They are garbage that costs more for less value. They don't hold air as well rot when wet and have no performance advantage other than weight but of course you could take some senna the night before but that may be necessary anyway.

Get some butyl tubes. Yes the regular heavy cheap ones. Oh yeah make sure they are BIGGER when just filled with air than your tire. Why? Cause using too small tubes is the number one way to get a pinch flat. Some of us have known this on our moto bikes for decades but it took along time to convince all the weight weenie MTBers--yes i admit saving weight on tubes once or twice until i decided not flatting was important to a successful downhill race.

Carefully install it (number two way to pinch a tube) inflate it until you only bottom out occasionally. Then learn to ride OVER the course rather than through it. Oh, and stay out of thorns glass and other sharp debris cause you still have a tube in your tire.

Then when you save all that cash you would have spend on latex tubes, undersized tubes ultralight tubes or any other expensive waste of tubes, buy some NoTubes wheels or rims and get some good Kenda SCT or iron cloak tires and forget them--forever!

Sorry if I offend all the other shop rats out there but the inner tube has always been the biggest cash cow of the bike industry and to think they have most of you convinced to sew one inside your tire and glue it on!

Enjoy your tubes folks but just remember its still a tube and the butyl ones still work best.

Evan Plews
503-949-4879
www.evanplews.com

grantcollins@ymail.com wrote:

I heard Bill Larson at Cyclepath has a pallet of Latex Tubes for CX this year!

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 9, 2012, at 3:09 PM, "Roger Joys (Maillists)" wrote:

> Isn't 8 psi considered a flat?
>
>
> On Oct 9, 2012, at 3:06 PM, Andrew Kreps wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Dan Anderson wrote:
>>> No DNFs in 12 races. I ran 35/36 at Alpenrose. Probably a few psi too high.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I'll say. I was running 8.
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I heard Bill Larson at Cyclepath has a pallet of Latex Tubes for CX this year!

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 9, 2012, at 3:09 PM, "Roger Joys (Maillists)" wrote:

> Isn't 8 psi considered a flat?
>
>
> On Oct 9, 2012, at 3:06 PM, Andrew Kreps wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Dan Anderson wrote:
>>> No DNFs in 12 races. I ran 35/36 at Alpenrose. Probably a few psi too high.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I'll say. I was running 8.
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Roger Joys (Maillists)

Isn't 8 psi considered a flat?

On Oct 9, 2012, at 3:06 PM, Andrew Kreps wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Dan Anderson wrote:
>> No DNFs in 12 races. I ran 35/36 at Alpenrose. Probably a few psi too high.
>>
>
>
> I'll say. I was running 8.
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Andrew Kreps

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Dan Anderson wrote:
> No DNFs in 12 races. I ran 35/36 at Alpenrose. Probably a few psi too high.
>

I'll say. I was running 8.

Portland Bicycle Studio

Thanks for the mention Brian.

Latex tubes in a cyclocross width have been very hard to source the last
couple years. QBP and our other distributors are out and it does not look
like anyone is getting consistent inventory filled. Michelin and Vittoria
seemed to have stopped producing CX specific latex inner tubes for
aftermarket sale. Both Clement and Challenge have a very intermittent
supply of them.

I've ordered them directly from Francois at FMB, as he hand builds his
latex inner tubes. But alas, even that supply has run out.

Vittoria offers a 700x25/28 latex tube that I've been using in my
cyclocross clincher wheels with Clement PDX tyres. The 4mm difference in
"published" diameter has been a non-issue and it is a tube that we
currently have in stock and can readily re-stock as needed. They have a
removable valve core to accommodate any rim depth, I recommend using them.

Latex tubes are one of the single most practical and affordable upgrades
you can do to your bicycle, road or cyclocross.

I hope this helps for those who are looking, drop in anytime for more info
or to purchase some latex tubes.

Molly Cameron
*Portland Bicycle Studio*
1420 NW 17th Suite #588
Portland, Oregon
97209

Service Course - 503.335.8356
Hours: 10-6 M-F
Sat/Sun by appointment

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Brian Johnson wrote:

> You tubular guys can go back to shaving your legs while swilling a pint of
> Stella... this is for us PBR guys:
>
> Sounds like the best bets for buying latex tubes locally are Southwest
> Bicycle, Cyclepath, and Portland Bicycle Studio. (These shops were to me as
> having stocked latex tubes, but I haven't confirmed availability.)
>
> However, it was also suggested that your LBS can purchase from QBP. So
> check your LBS first if you're not in a hurry. Then hit up one of the shops
> mentioned above.
>
> Good luck!
> Brian
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Erik Voldengen

Here's something that might help:

http://www.erikv.com/blog/index.cfm/2010/9/24/Flat-tire-prevention-in-cyclocross

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Dan Anderson wrote:

> For you Miller High Life guys, just use a touring size butyl tube:
> http://www.jensonusa.com/Q-Tubes-Presta-Valve-Tube. A little heavier,
> but more durable than the smaller size. No DNFs in 12 races. I ran 35/36
> at Alpenrose. Probably a few psi too high.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Brian Johnson
> *To:* OBRA
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 9, 2012 1:35 PM
> *Subject:* [OBRA Chat] Where to buy latex tubes for cyclocross
>
> You tubular guys can go back to shaving your legs while swilling a pint of
> Stella... this is for us PBR guys:
>
> Sounds like the best bets for buying latex tubes locally are Southwest
> Bicycle, Cyclepath, and Portland Bicycle Studio. (These shops were to me as
> having stocked latex tubes, but I haven't confirmed availability.)
>
> However, it was also suggested that your LBS can purchase from QBP. So
> check your LBS first if you're not in a hurry. Then hit up one of the shops
> mentioned above.
>
> Good luck!
> Brian
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Dan Anderson

For you Miller High Life guys, just use a touring size butyl tube: http://www.jensonusa.com/Q-Tubes-Presta-Valve-Tube.  A little heavier, but more durable than the smaller size.  No DNFs in 12 races.  I ran 35/36 at Alpenrose.  Probably a few psi too high.

________________________________
From: Brian Johnson
To: OBRA
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 1:35 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Where to buy latex tubes for cyclocross

You tubular guys can go back to shaving your legs while swilling a pint of Stella... this is for us PBR guys:

Sounds like the best bets for buying latex tubes locally are Southwest Bicycle, Cyclepath, and Portland Bicycle Studio. (These shops were to me as having stocked latex tubes, but I haven't confirmed availability.)

However, it was also suggested that your LBS can purchase from QBP. So check your LBS first if you're not in a hurry. Then hit up one of the shops mentioned above.

Good luck!
Brian
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jeff@ultrafreaks.net

Vandelay Industries?

On October 9, 2012 at 4:35 PM Brian Johnson wrote:

> You tubular guys can go back to shaving your legs while swilling a pint of
> Stella... this is for us PBR guys:
>
> Sounds like the best bets for buying latex tubes locally are Southwest
> Bicycle, Cyclepath, and Portland Bicycle Studio. (These shops were to me as
> having stocked latex tubes, but I haven't confirmed availability.)
>
> However, it was also suggested that your LBS can purchase from QBP. So check
> your LBS first if you're not in a hurry. Then hit up one of the shops
> mentioned above.
>
> Good luck!
> Brian
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Brian Johnson

You tubular guys can go back to shaving your legs while swilling a pint of Stella... this is for us PBR guys:

Sounds like the best bets for buying latex tubes locally are Southwest Bicycle, Cyclepath, and Portland Bicycle Studio. (These shops were to me as having stocked latex tubes, but I haven't confirmed availability.)

However, it was also suggested that your LBS can purchase from QBP. So check your LBS first if you're not in a hurry. Then hit up one of the shops mentioned above.

Good luck!
Brian