It's a Sad Day In Cycling

Darell

2012-10-11

Don't forget masters race categories....
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Mike Murray

2012-10-11

Ben Fischler asks:

"What are we missing?"

Peeing in public.

Mike

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Ben Fischler
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 12:06
To: OBRA list list
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] It's a Sad Day In Cycling

The general consensus is that LA was sandbagging pretty seriously when he
won his 6th TDF. Why he wasn't called up next season is a matter of debate.

FWIW, I feel like we are making progress on the great project to merge all
tedious OBRA threads into one giant Voltron-like Ultra Annoying/SortaFunny
OBRA Email Thread....

Sandbagging forms the head.

Latex tubes form the torso.

Passing etiquette the left arm.

Misc asshole drivers the right arm.

Proper FS/WTB subject lines form the left leg...

What are we missing?

-Ben

ps: Yes, doping sucks. C'est le (la?) guerre.

AnimationMentor.com
[ ben.fischler@gmail.com ]

On Oct 10, 2012, at 11:52 AM, kl_graham@comcast.net wrote:

But 7 TDF wins under the influence of something (CREAM/CLEAR/EPO) - and here
we are!

_____

From: "Dan Kaempff"
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 11:36:47 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] It's a Sad Day In Cycling

If LA had just stayed in Beginners, none of this would have happened.

> From: brendongallant@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 10:32:35 -0800
> To: RickCJohnson1@gmail.com
> CC: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] It's a Sad Day In Cycling
>
> I think the question is, which type of latex tube did Lance utilize
> for his doping?


Forest Wilson

2012-10-10

Do you remember when he won that one race with a flat tire? Wasn't
that Leadville or something? Now, if he'd been running tubulars...

On 10/10/12, Ben Fischler wrote:
> The general consensus is that LA was sandbagging pretty seriously when he
> won his 6th TDF. Why he wasn't called up next season is a matter of
> debate.
>
> FWIW, I feel like we are making progress on the great project to merge all
> tedious OBRA threads into one giant Voltron-like Ultra Annoying/SortaFunny
> OBRA Email Thread....
>
> Sandbagging forms the head.
> Latex tubes form the torso.
> Passing etiquette the left arm.
> Misc asshole drivers the right arm.
> Proper FS/WTB subject lines form the left leg...
>
> What are we missing?
>
> -Ben
> ps: Yes, doping sucks. C'est le (la?) guerre.
>
> AnimationMentor.com
> [ ben.fischler@gmail.com ]
>
>
> On Oct 10, 2012, at 11:52 AM, kl_graham@comcast.net wrote:
>
>> But 7 TDF wins under the influence of something (CREAM/CLEAR/EPO) - and
>> here we are!
>>
>> From: "Dan Kaempff"
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 11:36:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] It's a Sad Day In Cycling
>>
>> If LA had just stayed in Beginners, none of this would have happened.
>>
>> > From: brendongallant@gmail.com
>> > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 10:32:35 -0800
>> > To: RickCJohnson1@gmail.com
>> > CC: obra@list.obra.org
>> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] It's a Sad Day In Cycling
>> >
>> > I think the question is, which type of latex tube did Lance utilize
>> > for his doping?
>
>


Stephen Hemminger

2012-10-10

USADA reasoned decision document leaked by RaceRadio

http://www.scribd.com/doc/109619079/Reasoned-Decision


Thom Schoenborn

2012-10-10

Wearing headphones while riding

On Oct 10, 2012, at 12:11 PM, adam holt wrote:

> Tubular/Tubeless/Clincher debate?
>
> From: ben.fischler@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:05:32 -0700
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] It's a Sad Day In Cycling
>
> The general consensus is that LA was sandbagging pretty seriously when he won his 6th TDF. Why he wasn't called up next season is a matter of debate.
>
> FWIW, I feel like we are making progress on the great project to merge all tedious OBRA threads into one giant Voltron-like Ultra Annoying/SortaFunny OBRA Email Thread....
>
> Sandbagging forms the head.
> Latex tubes form the torso.
> Passing etiquette the left arm.
> Misc asshole drivers the right arm.
> Proper FS/WTB subject lines form the left leg...
>
> What are we missing?
>
> -Ben
> ps: Yes, doping sucks. C'est le (la?) guerre.
>
> AnimationMentor.com
> [ ben.fischler@gmail.com ]
>
>
> On Oct 10, 2012, at 11:52 AM, kl_graham@comcast.net wrote:
>
> But 7 TDF wins under the influence of something (CREAM/CLEAR/EPO) - and here we are!
>
> From: "Dan Kaempff"
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 11:36:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] It's a Sad Day In Cycling
>
> If LA had just stayed in Beginners, none of this would have happened.
>
> > From: brendongallant@gmail.com
> > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 10:32:35 -0800
> > To: RickCJohnson1@gmail.com
> > CC: obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] It's a Sad Day In Cycling
> >
> > I think the question is, which type of latex tube did Lance utilize
> > for his doping?
>
>
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adam holt

2012-10-10

Tubular/Tubeless/Clincher debate?

From: ben.fischler@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:05:32 -0700
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] It's a Sad Day In Cycling

The general consensus is that LA was sandbagging pretty seriously when he won his 6th TDF. Why he wasn't called up next season is a matter of debate.

FWIW, I feel like we are making progress on the great project to merge all tedious OBRA threads into one giant Voltron-like Ultra Annoying/SortaFunny OBRA Email Thread....

Sandbagging forms the head.
Latex tubes form the torso.
Passing etiquette the left arm.
Misc asshole drivers the right arm.
Proper FS/WTB subject lines form the left leg...

What are we missing?

-Ben
ps: Yes, doping sucks. C'est le (la?) guerre.

AnimationMentor.com[ ben.fischler@gmail.com ]

On Oct 10, 2012, at 11:52 AM, kl_graham@comcast.net wrote:

But 7 TDF wins under the influence of something (CREAM/CLEAR/EPO) - and here we are!

From: "Dan Kaempff"
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 11:36:47 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] It's a Sad Day In Cycling

If LA had just stayed in Beginners, none of this would have happened.

> From: brendongallant@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 10:32:35 -0800
> To: RickCJohnson1@gmail.com
> CC: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] It's a Sad Day In Cycling
>
> I think the question is, which type of latex tube did Lance utilize
> for his doping?

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Ben Fischler

2012-10-10

The general consensus is that LA was sandbagging pretty seriously when he won his 6th TDF. Why he wasn't called up next season is a matter of debate.

FWIW, I feel like we are making progress on the great project to merge all tedious OBRA threads into one giant Voltron-like Ultra Annoying/SortaFunny OBRA Email Thread....

Sandbagging forms the head.
Latex tubes form the torso.
Passing etiquette the left arm.
Misc asshole drivers the right arm.
Proper FS/WTB subject lines form the left leg...

What are we missing?

-Ben
ps: Yes, doping sucks. C'est le (la?) guerre.

AnimationMentor.com
[ ben.fischler@gmail.com ]

On Oct 10, 2012, at 11:52 AM, kl_graham@comcast.net wrote:

> But 7 TDF wins under the influence of something (CREAM/CLEAR/EPO) - and here we are!
>
> From: "Dan Kaempff"
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 11:36:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] It's a Sad Day In Cycling
>
> If LA had just stayed in Beginners, none of this would have happened.
>
> > From: brendongallant@gmail.com
> > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 10:32:35 -0800
> > To: RickCJohnson1@gmail.com
> > CC: obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] It's a Sad Day In Cycling
> >
> > I think the question is, which type of latex tube did Lance utilize
> > for his doping?


matt Savage

2012-10-10

Whatever... Everyone dopes... Look at these guys that raced the 1971 Road
Nationals. They were so jacked up they can't even remember where the
course was they raced!

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 11:52 AM, wrote:

> But 7 TDF wins under the influence of something (CREAM/CLEAR/EPO) - and
> here we are!
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Dan Kaempff"
> *To: *obra@list.obra.org
> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 10, 2012 11:36:47 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [OBRA Chat] It's a Sad Day In Cycling
>
> If LA had just stayed in Beginners, none of this would have happened.
>
> > From: brendongallant@gmail.com
> > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 10:32:35 -0800
> > To: RickCJohnson1@gmail.com
> > CC: obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] It's a Sad Day In Cycling
> >
> > I think the question is, which type of latex tube did Lance utilize
> > for his doping?
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Rick Johnson
> wrote:
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo
> > >
> > > Rick Johnson
> > > Bend, Oregon
> > >
> > > Every revolutionary idea seems to evoke three stages of reaction...
> > > One, it's completely impossible.
> > > Two, it's possible, but it's not worth doing.
> > > Three, I said it was a good idea all along.
> > >
> > > Arthur C. Clarke
> > >
> > > On 10/10/2012 11:07 AM, kl_graham@comcast.net wrote:
> > >
> > > So Lance didn't cheat - but EVERYONE and I do mean EVERYONE him did?
> > > www.velonews.com
> > >
> > > George released this statement this morning:
> > >
> > > George Hincapie admitted to doping over his workman-like career on
> Wednesday
> > > and confirmed, however tacitly, that he gave information against his
> former
> > > captain and friend, Lance Armstrong, to federal and U.S. Anti-Doping
> Agency
> > > investigators in the process.
> > >
> > > “It is extremely difficult today to acknowledge that during a part of
> my
> > > career I used banned substances. Early in my professional career, it
> became
> > > clear to me that, given the widespread use of performance enhancing
> drugs by
> > > cyclists at the top of the profession, it was not possible to compete
> at the
> > > highest level without them. I deeply regret that choice and sincerely
> > > apologize to my family, teammates and fans,” Hincapie said in a
> statement
> > > released Wednesday morning, in conjunction with USADA CEO Travis
> Tygart’s
> > > letter detailing the agency’s looming report against Armstrong. Tygart
> also
> > > revealed the names of former Armstrong teammates that cooperated with
> the
> > > investigation, which included Hincapie.
> > >
> > > Three years ago, I was approached by U.S. federal investigators, and
> more
> > > recently by USADA, and asked to tell of my personal experience in these
> > > matters. I would have been much more comfortable talking only about
> myself,
> > > but understood that I was obligated to tell the truth about everything
> I
> > > knew. So that is what I did,” Hincapie said.
> > >
> > >
> > > It's a Sad Day!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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adam holt

2012-10-10

"If LA had just stayed in Beginners, none of this would have happened."

But with that pesky points system, he got an automatic upgrade. I heard he was fighting that, and tried to spend most of that season finishing just far enough back so as not to accumulate too many points...

From: "Dan Kaempff"
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 11:36:47 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] It's a Sad Day In Cycling

If LA had just stayed in Beginners, none of this would have happened.

> From: brendongallant@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 10:32:35 -0800
> To: RickCJohnson1@gmail.com
> CC: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] It's a Sad Day In Cycling
>
> I think the question is, which type of latex tube did Lance utilize
> for his doping?
>
> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Rick Johnson wrote:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo
> >
> > Rick Johnson
> > Bend, Oregon
> >
> > Every revolutionary idea seems to evoke three stages of reaction...
> > One, it's completely impossible.
> > Two, it's possible, but it's not worth doing.
> > Three, I said it was a good idea all along.
> >
> > Arthur C. Clarke
> >
> > On 10/10/2012 11:07 AM, kl_graham@comcast.net wrote:
> >
> > So Lance didn't cheat - but EVERYONE and I do mean EVERYONE him did?
> > www.velonews.com
> >
> > George released this statement this morning:
> >
> > George Hincapie admitted to doping over his workman-like career on Wednesday
> > and confirmed, however tacitly, that he gave information against his former
> > captain and friend, Lance Armstrong, to federal and U.S. Anti-Doping Agency
> > investigators in the process.
> >
> > “It is extremely difficult today to acknowledge that during a part of my
> > career I used banned substances. Early in my professional career, it became
> > clear to me that, given the widespread use of performance enhancing drugs by
> > cyclists at the top of the profession, it was not possible to compete at the
> > highest level without them. I deeply regret that choice and sincerely
> > apologize to my family, teammates and fans,” Hincapie said in a statement
> > released Wednesday morning, in conjunction with USADA CEO Travis Tygart’s
> > letter detailing the agency’s looming report against Armstrong. Tygart also
> > revealed the names of former Armstrong teammates that cooperated with the
> > investigation, which included Hincapie.
> >
> > Three years ago, I was approached by U.S. federal investigators, and more
> > recently by USADA, and asked to tell of my personal experience in these
> > matters. I would have been much more comfortable talking only about myself,
> > but understood that I was obligated to tell the truth about everything I
> > knew. So that is what I did,” Hincapie said.
> >
> >
> > It's a Sad Day!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > obra@list.obra.org
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >
>
>
>
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> The Motorcycle Shop
> Anchorage, AK
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kl_graham@comcast.net

2012-10-10

But 7 TDF wins under the influence of something (CREAM/CLEAR/EPO) - and here we are!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Kaempff"
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 11:36:47 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] It's a Sad Day In Cycling

If LA had just stayed in Beginners, none of this would have happened.

> From: brendongallant@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 10:32:35 -0800
> To: RickCJohnson1@gmail.com
> CC: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] It's a Sad Day In Cycling
>
> I think the question is, which type of latex tube did Lance utilize
> for his doping?
>
> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Rick Johnson wrote:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo
> >
> > Rick Johnson
> > Bend, Oregon
> >
> > Every revolutionary idea seems to evoke three stages of reaction...
> > One, it's completely impossible.
> > Two, it's possible, but it's not worth doing.
> > Three, I said it was a good idea all along.
> >
> > Arthur C. Clarke
> >
> > On 10/10/2012 11:07 AM, kl_graham@comcast.net wrote:
> >
> > So Lance didn't cheat - but EVERYONE and I do mean EVERYONE him did?
> > www.velonews.com
> >
> > George released this statement this morning:
> >
> > George Hincapie admitted to doping over his workman-like career on Wednesday
> > and confirmed, however tacitly, that he gave information against his former
> > captain and friend, Lance Armstrong, to federal and U.S. Anti-Doping Agency
> > investigators in the process.
> >
> > “It is extremely difficult today to acknowledge that during a part of my
> > career I used banned substances. Early in my professional career, it became
> > clear to me that, given the widespread use of performance enhancing drugs by
> > cyclists at the top of the profession, it was not possible to compete at the
> > highest level without them. I deeply regret that choice and sincerely
> > apologize to my family, teammates and fans,” Hincapie said in a statement
> > released Wednesday morning, in conjunction with USADA CEO Travis Tygart’s
> > letter detailing the agency’s looming report against Armstrong. Tygart also
> > revealed the names of former Armstrong teammates that cooperated with the
> > investigation, which included Hincapie.
> >
> > Three years ago, I was approached by U.S. federal investigators, and more
> > recently by USADA, and asked to tell of my personal experience in these
> > matters. I would have been much more comfortable talking only about myself,
> > but understood that I was obligated to tell the truth about everything I
> > knew. So that is what I did,” Hincapie said.
> >
> >
> > It's a Sad Day!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >
> >
> >
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> > obra@list.obra.org
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> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >
>
>
>
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> The Motorcycle Shop
> Anchorage, AK
> 907.561.1165
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Dan Kaempff

2012-10-10

If LA had just stayed in Beginners, none of this would have happened.

> From: brendongallant@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 10:32:35 -0800
> To: RickCJohnson1@gmail.com
> CC: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] It's a Sad Day In Cycling
>
> I think the question is, which type of latex tube did Lance utilize
> for his doping?
>
> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Rick Johnson wrote:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo
> >
> > Rick Johnson
> > Bend, Oregon
> >
> > Every revolutionary idea seems to evoke three stages of reaction...
> > One, it's completely impossible.
> > Two, it's possible, but it's not worth doing.
> > Three, I said it was a good idea all along.
> >
> > Arthur C. Clarke
> >
> > On 10/10/2012 11:07 AM, kl_graham@comcast.net wrote:
> >
> > So Lance didn't cheat - but EVERYONE and I do mean EVERYONE him did?
> > www.velonews.com
> >
> > George released this statement this morning:
> >
> > George Hincapie admitted to doping over his workman-like career on Wednesday
> > and confirmed, however tacitly, that he gave information against his former
> > captain and friend, Lance Armstrong, to federal and U.S. Anti-Doping Agency
> > investigators in the process.
> >
> > “It is extremely difficult today to acknowledge that during a part of my
> > career I used banned substances. Early in my professional career, it became
> > clear to me that, given the widespread use of performance enhancing drugs by
> > cyclists at the top of the profession, it was not possible to compete at the
> > highest level without them. I deeply regret that choice and sincerely
> > apologize to my family, teammates and fans,” Hincapie said in a statement
> > released Wednesday morning, in conjunction with USADA CEO Travis Tygart’s
> > letter detailing the agency’s looming report against Armstrong. Tygart also
> > revealed the names of former Armstrong teammates that cooperated with the
> > investigation, which included Hincapie.
> >
> > Three years ago, I was approached by U.S. federal investigators, and more
> > recently by USADA, and asked to tell of my personal experience in these
> > matters. I would have been much more comfortable talking only about myself,
> > but understood that I was obligated to tell the truth about everything I
> > knew. So that is what I did,” Hincapie said.
> >
> >
> > It's a Sad Day!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > obra@list.obra.org
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >
>
>
>
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> The Motorcycle Shop
> Anchorage, AK
> 907.561.1165
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Dan H

2012-10-10

If you had read "From Lance to Landis" like I told you to, this would not come as a surprise.
----- Original Message -----
From: kl_graham@comcast.net
To: OBRA
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 11:07 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] It's a Sad Day In Cycling

So Lance didn't cheat - but EVERYONE and I do mean EVERYONE him did? www.velonews.com

George released this statement this morning:

George Hincapie admitted to doping over his workman-like career on Wednesday and confirmed, however tacitly, that he gave information against his former captain and friend, Lance Armstrong, to federal and U.S. Anti-Doping Agency investigators in the process.

“It is extremely difficult today to acknowledge that during a part of my career I used banned substances. Early in my professional career, it became clear to me that, given the widespread use of performance enhancing drugs by cyclists at the top of the profession, it was not possible to compete at the highest level without them. I deeply regret that choice and sincerely apologize to my family, teammates and fans,” Hincapie said in a statement released Wednesday morning, in conjunction with USADA CEO Travis Tygart’s letter detailing the agency’s looming report against Armstrong. Tygart also revealed the names of former Armstrong teammates that cooperated with the investigation, which included Hincapie.

Three years ago, I was approached by U.S. federal investigators, and more recently by USADA, and asked to tell of my personal experience in these matters. I would have been much more comfortable talking only about myself, but understood that I was obligated to tell the truth about everything I knew. So that is what I did,” Hincapie said.

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On 10/10/2012 11:07 AM, kl_graham@comcast.net wrote:



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So
Lance didn't cheat - but EVERYONE and I do mean EVERYONE him
did?  www.velonews.com




George released this statement this morning:






George
Hincapie admitted to doping over his workman-like career on
Wednesday and confirmed, however tacitly, that he gave
information against his former captain and friend, Lance
Armstrong, to federal and U.S. Anti-Doping Agency
investigators in the process.


“It is
extremely difficult today to acknowledge that during a part
of my career I used banned substances. Early in my
professional career, it became clear to me that, given the
widespread use of performance enhancing drugs by cyclists at
the top of the profession, it was not possible to compete at
the highest level without them. I deeply regret that choice
and sincerely apologize to my family, teammates and fans,”
Hincapie said in a statement released Wednesday morning, in
conjunction with USADA CEO Travis Tygart’s letter detailing
the agency’s looming report against Armstrong. Tygart also
revealed the names of former Armstrong teammates that
cooperated with the investigation, which included Hincapie.



Three years ago, I
was approached by U.S. federal investigators, and more
recently by USADA, and asked to tell of my personal
experience in these matters. I would have been much more
comfortable talking only about myself, but understood that I
was obligated to tell the truth about everything I knew. So
that is what I did,” Hincapie said.










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kl_graham@comcast.net

2012-10-10

So Lance didn't cheat - but EVERYONE and I do mean EVERYONE him did? www.velonews.com

George released this statement this morning:

George Hincapie admitted to doping over his workman-like career on Wednesday and confirmed, however tacitly, that he gave information against his former captain and friend, Lance Armstrong, to federal and U.S. Anti-Doping Agency investigators in the process.

“It is extremely difficult today to acknowledge that during a part of my career I used banned substances. Early in my professional career, it became clear to me that, given the widespread use of performance enhancing drugs by cyclists at the top of the profession, it was not possible to compete at the highest level without them. I deeply regret that choice and sincerely apologize to my family, teammates and fans,” Hincapie said in a statement released Wednesday morning, in conjunction with USADA CEO Travis Tygart’s letter detailing the agency’s looming report against Armstrong. Tygart also revealed the names of former Armstrong teammates that cooperated with the investigation, which included Hincapie.
Three years ago, I was approached by U.S. federal investigators, and more recently by USADA, and asked to tell of my personal experience in these matters. I would have been much more comfortable talking only about myself, but understood that I was obligated to tell the truth about everything I knew. So that is what I did,” Hincapie said.

It's a Sad Day!