centerline clarification please

mike.m-@obra.org

2003-03-20

The actual rule is:

"17. - ROAD RACING ...

17.1.2 - General rules

-Unless instructed by the Chief Referee, all riders must stay to the right

of the centerline, or another point on the road designated by the Chief

Referee.

- Riders must obey all traffic laws in force. "



Basically this allows the Chief Ref to decide. I would interpret this as

touching the line. You have to recognize though that it may be very

difficult to identify riders on the centerline in order to penalize them.



If you think that this rule is inadequately specific you can propose a

change using as the following mechanism:

"Modification of these rules may be made by vote of the club

representatives, generally at an annual meeting. Proposed rule changes shall

be presented to OBRA in written form to be voted on by the club

representatives. The OBRA board may in an emergency, or in the case of a

time sensitive matter, make modifications to these rules."



Mike Murray

-----Original Message-----

From: Peter Murphy [mailto:murphy_-@hotmail.com]

Sent: March 20, 2003 10:51 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] centerline clarification please





Now I don't mean to be a smart ass, but, when does a centerline

violation

occur?



If it is a single centerline and I am riding ON the centerline, am I in

violation?



If it is a double centerline and I am riding between the yellow lines,

am I

in violation?



I don't like to get that close to on-coming traffic, but if I have to, I



will push the rules to the limit to gain any advantage I can.



I am just looking for an official's point of view.



Sorry I am an engineer. Details matter.



Pete











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Clark Ritchie

2003-03-20

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Dye, Todd/CVO

2003-03-20

Pete,



I think your idea of having a standard enforced uniformly is great, but

not so you can "push the rules to the limit to gain any advantage I

can." That whole "how much can I get away with" attitude is why the

problem exists.



As an engineer, I would think you would have a firmer grasp of having a

factor or safety. If you're right on the center line and somebody nudges

you, guess where you will end up? DQ'or dead. Neither is a competitive

advantage, and when you're riding in a group on open roads, the risks

you take effect everyone near you.



Keep it safe.



Thanks



Todd Dye















-----Original Message-----

From: Peter Murphy [mailto:murphy_-@hotmail.com]

Sent: March 20, 2003 10:51 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] centerline clarification please





Now I don't mean to be a smart ass, but, when does a centerline

violation

occur?



If it is a single centerline and I am riding ON the centerline, am I in

violation?



If it is a double centerline and I am riding between the yellow lines,

am I

in violation?



I don't like to get that close to on-coming traffic, but if I have to, I



will push the rules to the limit to gain any advantage I can.



I am just looking for an official's point of view.



Sorry I am an engineer. Details matter.



Pete











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Peter Murphy

2003-03-20

I don't know....When you have 50 to 80 guys looking for space in a 12 foot

wide area sometimes you squeeze a little.



Just want a little uniformity on the ruling. That is not too much to ask.





 From: D Grab <dgrab-@yahoo.com>

Reply-To: dgrab-@yahoo.com

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] centerline clarification please

Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:04:02 -0800 (PST)





Good freaking grief! Why is this such a ongoing topic?

It seems pretty simple...if the officials feel that a rider is dangerous to

themself or others, then they will (and should) disqualify that rider.

Best thing is to stay away from the centerline period. It boggles my mind

that anyone would be so desparate to gain an "advantage" that they need to

split hairs over double solid versus skip centerline striping.

Peter Murphy <murphy_-@hotmail.com> wrote:Now I don't mean to be a

smart ass, but, when does a centerline violation

occur?



If it is a single centerline and I am riding ON the centerline, am I in

violation?



If it is a double centerline and I am riding between the yellow lines, am I

in violation?



I don't like to get that close to on-coming traffic, but if I have to, I

will push the rules to the limit to gain any advantage I can.



I am just looking for an official's point of view.



Sorry I am an engineer. Details matter.



Pete











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2003-03-20

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Good freaking grief! Why is this such a ongoing topic?

It seems pretty simple...if the officials feel that a rider is dangerous to themself or others, then they will (and should) disqualify that rider. Best thing is to stay away from the centerline period. It boggles my mind that anyone would be so desparate to gain an "advantage" that they need to split hairs over double solid versus skip centerline striping.

Peter Murphy <murphy_-@hotmail.com> wrote:Now I don't mean to be a smart ass, but, when does a centerline violation

occur?



If it is a single centerline and I am riding ON the centerline, am I in

violation?



If it is a double centerline and I am riding between the yellow lines, am I

in violation?



I don't like to get that close to on-coming traffic, but if I have to, I

will push the rules to the limit to gain any advantage I can.



I am just looking for an official's point of view.



Sorry I am an engineer. Details matter.



Pete











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Peter Murphy

2003-03-20

Now I don't mean to be a smart ass, but, when does a centerline violation

occur?



If it is a single centerline and I am riding ON the centerline, am I in

violation?



If it is a double centerline and I am riding between the yellow lines, am I

in violation?



I don't like to get that close to on-coming traffic, but if I have to, I

will push the rules to the limit to gain any advantage I can.



I am just looking for an official's point of view.



Sorry I am an engineer. Details matter.



Pete











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