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Pat, the truth is that "plugging up a lane" is a poor way to block.

It's both dangerous and ineffective. It's dangerous because it

invites dangerous riding by others (particularly the less skilled),

and it's ineffective because it won't prevent a skilled rider from

riding through it.

There is also the possibility that a savvy official will penalize the

blocking team for dangerous riding.

Furthermore, plugging up a lane is really bad racing tactics because

it invests your whole team in someone's breakaway while failing to

disadvantage the other teams... usually a low percentage return on a

high risk tactic. Real blocking is where you let someone else spend

the energy when they can't avoid taking you along with them. You do

the math.

Jerry

At 5:17 PM -0800 03/20/03, Pat Sagers wrote:

I have a basic question. Maybe it has come up before, but I

couldn't find anything about it. I noticed that some teams have

lots of riders. So lets say that a team with a lot of riders has a

couple riders get off the front. Why can't the team block the

chasing teams by riding shoulder to shoulder for a minute or so or

more, not allowing anybody to pass? If you can't touch the yellow

line nor would you ride into the dirt, how would you recommend

getting through the blockade? And couldn't they just slow down,

again being very tight together, what's the best way to handle

something like this without hurting anyone?

Thanks

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Jerry Powell

USAC Elite Cycling Coach

1445 SW Harrison Street

Portland Oregon, 97201

(503) 222-7173 (office)

(503) 699-0864 (home)

(503) 799-7823 (mobile)

jpow-@spiritone.com

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<div>Pat, the truth is that "plugging up a lane" is a poor

way to block. It's both dangerous and ineffective. It's

dangerous because it invites dangerous riding by others (particularly

the less skilled), and it's ineffective because it won't prevent a

skilled rider from riding through it.</div>

<div> </div>

<div>There is also the possibility that a savvy official will penalize

the blocking team for dangerous riding.</div>

<div> </div>

<div>Furthermore, plugging up a lane is really bad racing tactics

because it invests your whole team in someone's breakaway while

failing to disadvantage the other teams... usually a low percentage

return on a high risk tactic. Real blocking is where you let someone

else spend the energy when they can't avoid taking you along with

them. You do the

math. </div>

<div> </div>

<div>Jerry</div>

<div> </div>

<div> </div>

<div> </div>

<div>At 5:17 PM -0800 03/20/03, Pat Sagers wrote:</div>

<blockquote type="cite" cite>I have a basic question.

Maybe it has come up before, but I couldn't find anything about it.

I noticed that some teams have lots of riders. So lets say that

a team with a lot of riders has a couple riders get off the front.

Why can't the team block the chasing teams by riding shoulder to

shoulder for a minute or so or more, not allowing anybody to pass?

If you can't touch the yellow line nor would you ride into the dirt,

how would you recommend getting through the blockade? And

couldn't they just slow down, again being very tight together, what's

the best way to handle something like this without hurting

anyone? 

</blockquote>

<blockquote type="cite" cite>Thanks</blockquote>

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Coach</div>

<div>1445 SW Harrison Street</div>

<div>Portland Oregon, 97201</div>

<div>(503) 222-7173 (office)</div>

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What is the rule for mtb racing?

-----Original Message-----

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Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 10:31 AM

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Although there are not specific rules against this type of behavior it is very bad form. This is not bike racing and it is not the proper way to block. In general, blocking should be a matter of forcing other teams to chase. At most, blocker riders should be disrupting the chasing process by staying near the front of the field and limiting the number of people who are working and making their rotation less efficient. Riding at the front slowly holding hands is not the way to support your team or bike racing in general. Fortunately, this type of behavior is rarely seen. If it were to become more common there would need to be rules written to prevent it. There are specific rules for track and mountain bike racing that prohibit impeding the rider behind. A similar rule could be adopted for road events.

Mike Murray

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Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 17:17 PM

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I have a basic question. Maybe it has come up before, but I couldn't find anything about it. I noticed that some teams have lots of riders. So lets say that a team with a lot of riders has a couple riders get off the front. Why can't the team block the chasing teams by riding shoulder to shoulder for a minute or so or more, not allowing anybody to pass? If you can't touch the yellow line nor would you ride into the dirt, how would you recommend getting through the blockade? And couldn't they just slow down, again being very tight together, what's the best way to handle something like this without hurting anyone?

Thanks

-----Original Message-----

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Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 4:28 PM

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Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] centerline clarification please

The actual rule is:

"17. - ROAD RACING ...

17.1.2 - General rules

-Unless instructed by the Chief Referee, all riders must stay to the right

of the centerline, or another point on the road designated by the Chief

Referee.

- Riders must obey all traffic laws in force. "

Basically this allows the Chief Ref to decide. I would interpret this as

touching the line. You have to recognize though that it may be very

difficult to identify riders on the centerline in order to penalize them.

If you think that this rule is inadequately specific you can propose a

change using as the following mechanism:

"Modification of these rules may be made by vote of the club

representatives, generally at an annual meeting. Proposed rule changes shall

be presented to OBRA in written form to be voted on by the club

representatives. The OBRA board may in an emergency, or in the case of a

time sensitive matter, make modifications to these rules."

Mike Murray

-----Original Message-----

From: Peter Murphy [ mailto:murphy_-@hotmail.com]

Sent: March 20, 2003 10:51 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] centerline clarification please

Now I don't mean to be a smart ass, but, when does a centerline

violation

occur?

If it is a single centerline and I am riding ON the centerline, am I in

violation?

If it is a double centerline and I am riding between the yellow lines,

am I

in violation?

I don't like to get that close to on-coming traffic, but if I have to, I

will push the rules to the limit to gain any advantage I can.

I am just looking for an official's point of view.

Sorry I am an engineer. Details matter.

Pete

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<DIV>What

is the rule for mtb racing?</DIV>

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<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr>-----Original Message----- From: mike.m-@obra.org

[mailto:mike.m-@obra.org] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 10:31

AM To: ob-@topica.com Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Same

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<DIV>Although there are not specific rules against this

type of behavior it is very bad form. This is not bike racing and it is

not the proper way to block. In general, blocking should be a matter of

forcing other teams to chase. At most, blocker riders should be

disrupting the chasing process by staying near the front of the field and

limiting the number of people who are working and making their rotation less

efficient. Riding at the front slowly holding hands is not the way to

support your team or bike racing in general. Fortunately, this type of

behavior is rarely seen. If it were to become more common there would

need to be rules written to prevent it. There are specific rules for

track and mountain bike racing that prohibit impeding the rider behind.

A similar rule could be adopted for road events.</DIV>

Mike Murray 

<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr>-----Original Message----- From: Pat Sagers

[mailto:pat_s-@orcom.com] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 17:17

PM To: 'ob-@topica.com' Subject: [OBRA Chat] Same topic,

new subject line </DIV>

I have a basic question. Maybe it has come up before,

but I couldn't find anything about it. I noticed that some teams have

lots of riders. So lets say that a team with a lot of riders has a

couple riders get off the front. Why can't the team block the chasing

teams by riding shoulder to shoulder for a minute or so or more, not allowing

anybody to pass? If you can't touch the yellow line nor would you ride

into the dirt, how would you recommend getting through the blockade? And

couldn't they just slow down, again being very tight together, what's the best

way to handle something like this without hurting anyone?

Thanks 

-----Original Message----- From:

mike.m-@obra.org [<A

href="mailto:mike.m-@obra.org">mailto:mike.m-@obra.org</A>]

 Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 4:28 PM To: ob-@topica.com Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat]

centerline clarification please 

The actual rule is: "17. - ROAD RACING

... 17.1.2 - General rules -Unless instructed by the Chief Referee, all riders must stay to the

right of the centerline, or another point on the road

designated by the Chief Referee. - Riders must obey all traffic laws in force. " 

Basically this allows the Chief Ref to decide. I would

interpret this as touching the line. You have to

recognize though that it may be very difficult to

identify riders on the centerline in order to penalize them. 

If you think that this rule is inadequately specific you can

propose a change using as the following

mechanism: "Modification of these rules may be made by

vote of the club representatives, generally at an

annual meeting. Proposed rule changes shall be

presented to OBRA in written form to be voted on by the club representatives. The OBRA board may in an emergency, or in the case of

a time sensitive matter, make modifications to these

rules." 

Mike Murray -----Original

Message----- From: Peter Murphy [<A

href="mailto:murphy_-@hotmail.com">mailto:murphy_-@hotmail.com</A>]

 Sent: March 20, 2003 10:51 AM To:

ob-@topica.com Subject: [OBRA Chat] centerline

clarification please 

Now I don't mean to be a smart ass, but, when does a

centerline violation occur? 

If it is a single centerline and I am riding ON the

centerline, am I in violation? 

If it is a double centerline and I am riding between the

yellow lines, am I in

violation? 

I don't like to get that close to on-coming traffic, but if I

have to, I 

will push the rules to the limit to gain any advantage I

can. 

I am just looking for an official's point of view. 

Sorry I am an engineer. Details matter. 

Pete 

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Same topic, new subject lineAlthough there are not specific rules against

this type of behavior it is very bad form. This is not bike racing and it

is not the proper way to block. In general, blocking should be a matter of

forcing other teams to chase. At most, blocker riders should be disrupting

the chasing process by staying near the front of the field and limiting the

number of people who are working and making their rotation less efficient.

Riding at the front slowly holding hands is not the way to support your team

or bike racing in general. Fortunately, this type of behavior is rarely

seen. If it were to become more common there would need to be rules written

to prevent it. There are specific rules for track and mountain bike racing

that prohibit impeding the rider behind. A similar rule could be adopted

for road events.

Mike Murray

-----Original Message-----

From: Pat Sagers [mailto:pat_s-@orcom.com]

Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 17:17 PM

To: 'ob-@topica.com'

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I have a basic question. Maybe it has come up before, but I couldn't find

anything about it. I noticed that some teams have lots of riders. So lets

say that a team with a lot of riders has a couple riders get off the front.

Why can't the team block the chasing teams by riding shoulder to shoulder

for a minute or so or more, not allowing anybody to pass? If you can't

touch the yellow line nor would you ride into the dirt, how would you

recommend getting through the blockade? And couldn't they just slow down,

again being very tight together, what's the best way to handle something

like this without hurting anyone?

Thanks

-----Original Message-----

From: mike.m-@obra.org [mailto:mike.m-@obra.org]

Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 4:28 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] centerline clarification please

The actual rule is:

"17. - ROAD RACING ...

17.1.2 - General rules

-Unless instructed by the Chief Referee, all riders must stay to the right

of the centerline, or another point on the road designated by the Chief

Referee.

- Riders must obey all traffic laws in force. "

Basically this allows the Chief Ref to decide. I would interpret this as

touching the line. You have to recognize though that it may be very

difficult to identify riders on the centerline in order to penalize them.

If you think that this rule is inadequately specific you can propose a

change using as the following mechanism:

"Modification of these rules may be made by vote of the club

representatives, generally at an annual meeting. Proposed rule changes shall

be presented to OBRA in written form to be voted on by the club

representatives. The OBRA board may in an emergency, or in the case of a

time sensitive matter, make modifications to these rules."

Mike Murray

-----Original Message-----

From: Peter Murphy [mailto:murphy_-@hotmail.com]

Sent: March 20, 2003 10:51 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] centerline clarification please

Now I don't mean to be a smart ass, but, when does a centerline

violation

occur?

If it is a single centerline and I am riding ON the centerline, am I in

violation?

If it is a double centerline and I am riding between the yellow lines,

am I

in violation?

I don't like to get that close to on-coming traffic, but if I have to, I

will push the rules to the limit to gain any advantage I can.

I am just looking for an official's point of view.

Sorry I am an engineer. Details matter.

Pete

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<DIV>Although there are not specific rules against this type

of behavior it is very bad form. This is not bike racing and it is not the

proper way to block. In general, blocking should be a matter of forcing

other teams to chase. At most, blocker riders should be disrupting the

chasing process by staying near the front of the field and limiting the number

of people who are working and making their rotation less efficient. Riding

at the front slowly holding hands is not the way to support your team or bike

racing in general. Fortunately, this type of behavior is rarely

seen. If it were to become more common there would need to be rules

written to prevent it. There are specific rules for track and mountain

bike racing that prohibit impeding the rider behind. A similar rule could

be adopted for road events.</DIV>

Mike Murray 

<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left>-----Original Message----- From: Pat Sagers

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PM To: 'ob-@topica.com' Subject: [OBRA Chat] Same topic,

new subject line </DIV>

I have a basic question. Maybe it has come up before, but

I couldn't find anything about it. I noticed that some teams have lots of

riders. So lets say that a team with a lot of riders has a couple riders

get off the front. Why can't the team block the chasing teams by riding

shoulder to shoulder for a minute or so or more, not allowing anybody to

pass? If you can't touch the yellow line nor would you ride into the dirt,

how would you recommend getting through the blockade? And couldn't they

just slow down, again being very tight together, what's the best way to handle

something like this without hurting anyone?

Thanks 

-----Original Message----- From:

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 Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 4:28 PM To: ob-@topica.com Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat]

centerline clarification please 

The actual rule is: "17. - ROAD RACING

... 17.1.2 - General rules -Unless instructed by the Chief Referee, all riders must stay to the

right of the centerline, or another point on the road

designated by the Chief Referee. - Riders must obey all traffic laws in force. " 

Basically this allows the Chief Ref to decide. I would

interpret this as touching the line. You have to

recognize though that it may be very difficult to

identify riders on the centerline in order to penalize them. 

If you think that this rule is inadequately specific you can

propose a change using as the following

mechanism: "Modification of these rules may be made by

vote of the club representatives, generally at an annual

meeting. Proposed rule changes shall be presented to

OBRA in written form to be voted on by the club representatives. The OBRA board may in an emergency, or in the case of

a time sensitive matter, make modifications to these

rules." 

Mike Murray -----Original

Message----- From: Peter Murphy [<A

href="mailto:murphy_-@hotmail.com">mailto:murphy_-@hotmail.com</A>]

 Sent: March 20, 2003 10:51 AM To:

ob-@topica.com Subject: [OBRA Chat] centerline

clarification please 

Now I don't mean to be a smart ass, but, when does a

centerline violation occur? 

If it is a single centerline and I am riding ON the centerline,

am I in violation? 

If it is a double centerline and I am riding between the yellow

lines, am I in violation?



I don't like to get that close to on-coming traffic, but if I

have to, I 

will push the rules to the limit to gain any advantage I

can. 

I am just looking for an official's point of view. 

Sorry I am an engineer. Details matter. 

Pete 

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No suggestion here, but isn't this the same as riding on a narrow road. The same thing could be said of a road that is entirely open to the pack. A team could blockade the entire road.

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I have a basic question. Maybe it has come up before, but I couldn't find anything about it. I noticed that some teams have lots of riders. So lets say that a team with a lot of riders has a couple riders get off the front. Why can't the team block the chasing teams by riding shoulder to shoulder for a minute or so or more, not allowing anybody to pass? If you can't touch the yellow line nor would you ride into the dirt, how would you recommend getting through the blockade? And couldn't they just slow down, again being very tight together, what's the best way to handle something like this without hurting anyone?

Thanks

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Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] centerline clarification please

The actual rule is:

"17. - ROAD RACING ...

17.1.2 - General rules

-Unless instructed by the Chief Referee, all riders must stay to the right

of the centerline, or another point on the road designated by the Chief

Referee.

- Riders must obey all traffic laws in force. "

Basically this allows the Chief Ref to decide. I would interpret this as

touching the line. You have to recognize though that it may be very

difficult to identify riders on the centerline in order to penalize them.

If you think that this rule is inadequately specific you can propose a

change using as the following mechanism:

"Modification of these rules may be made by vote of the club

representatives, generally at an annual meeting. Proposed rule changes shall

be presented to OBRA in written form to be voted on by the club

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time sensitive matter, make modifications to these rules."

Mike Murray

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From: Peter Murphy [ mailto:murphy_-@hotmail.com]

Sent: March 20, 2003 10:51 AM

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Subject: [OBRA Chat] centerline clarification please

Now I don't mean to be a smart ass, but, when does a centerline

violation

occur?

If it is a single centerline and I am riding ON the centerline, am I in

violation?

If it is a double centerline and I am riding between the yellow lines,

am I

in violation?

I don't like to get that close to on-coming traffic, but if I have to, I

will push the rules to the limit to gain any advantage I can.

I am just looking for an official's point of view.

Sorry I am an engineer. Details matter.

Pete

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<DIV>No

suggestion here, but isn't this the same as riding on a narrow road. The

same thing could be said of a road that is entirely open to the pack. A

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I have a basic question. Maybe it has come up before,

but I couldn't find anything about it. I noticed that some teams have

lots of riders. So lets say that a team with a lot of riders has a

couple riders get off the front. Why can't the team block the chasing

teams by riding shoulder to shoulder for a minute or so or more, not allowing

anybody to pass? If you can't touch the yellow line nor would you ride

into the dirt, how would you recommend getting through the blockade? And

couldn't they just slow down, again being very tight together, what's the best

way to handle something like this without hurting anyone?

Thanks 

-----Original Message----- From:

mike.m-@obra.org [<A

href="mailto:mike.m-@obra.org">mailto:mike.m-@obra.org</A>]

 Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 4:28 PM To: ob-@topica.com Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat]

centerline clarification please 

The actual rule is: "17. - ROAD RACING

... 17.1.2 - General rules -Unless instructed by the Chief Referee, all riders must stay to the

right of the centerline, or another point on the road

designated by the Chief Referee. - Riders must obey all traffic laws in force. " 

Basically this allows the Chief Ref to decide. I would

interpret this as touching the line. You have to

recognize though that it may be very difficult to

identify riders on the centerline in order to penalize them. 

If you think that this rule is inadequately specific you can

propose a change using as the following

mechanism: "Modification of these rules may be made by

vote of the club representatives, generally at an

annual meeting. Proposed rule changes shall be

presented to OBRA in written form to be voted on by the club representatives. The OBRA board may in an emergency, or in the case of

a time sensitive matter, make modifications to these

rules." 

Mike Murray -----Original

Message----- From: Peter Murphy [<A

href="mailto:murphy_-@hotmail.com">mailto:murphy_-@hotmail.com</A>]

 Sent: March 20, 2003 10:51 AM To:

ob-@topica.com Subject: [OBRA Chat] centerline

clarification please 

Now I don't mean to be a smart ass, but, when does a

centerline violation occur? 

If it is a single centerline and I am riding ON the

centerline, am I in violation? 

If it is a double centerline and I am riding between the

yellow lines, am I in

violation? 

I don't like to get that close to on-coming traffic, but if I

have to, I 

will push the rules to the limit to gain any advantage I

can. 

I am just looking for an official's point of view. 

Sorry I am an engineer. Details matter. 

Pete 

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I have a basic question. Maybe it has come up before, but I couldn't find

anything about it. I noticed that some teams have lots of riders. So lets

say that a team with a lot of riders has a couple riders get off the front.

Why can't the team block the chasing teams by riding shoulder to shoulder

for a minute or so or more, not allowing anybody to pass? If you can't

touch the yellow line nor would you ride into the dirt, how would you

recommend getting through the blockade? And couldn't they just slow down,

again being very tight together, what's the best way to handle something

like this without hurting anyone?

Thanks

-----Original Message-----

From: mike.m-@obra.org [mailto:mike.m-@obra.org]

Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 4:28 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] centerline clarification please

The actual rule is:

"17. - ROAD RACING ...

17.1.2 - General rules

-Unless instructed by the Chief Referee, all riders must stay to the right

of the centerline, or another point on the road designated by the Chief

Referee.

- Riders must obey all traffic laws in force. "

Basically this allows the Chief Ref to decide. I would interpret this as

touching the line. You have to recognize though that it may be very

difficult to identify riders on the centerline in order to penalize them.

If you think that this rule is inadequately specific you can propose a

change using as the following mechanism:

"Modification of these rules may be made by vote of the club

representatives, generally at an annual meeting. Proposed rule changes shall

be presented to OBRA in written form to be voted on by the club

representatives. The OBRA board may in an emergency, or in the case of a

time sensitive matter, make modifications to these rules."

Mike Murray

-----Original Message-----

From: Peter Murphy [mailto:murphy_-@hotmail.com]

Sent: March 20, 2003 10:51 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] centerline clarification please

Now I don't mean to be a smart ass, but, when does a centerline

violation

occur?

If it is a single centerline and I am riding ON the centerline, am I in

violation?

If it is a double centerline and I am riding between the yellow lines,

am I

in violation?

I don't like to get that close to on-coming traffic, but if I have to, I

will push the rules to the limit to gain any advantage I can.

I am just looking for an official's point of view.

Sorry I am an engineer. Details matter.

Pete

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I have a basic question. Maybe it has come up before, but I couldn't find anything about it. I noticed that some teams have lots of riders. So lets say that a team with a lot of riders has a couple riders get off the front. Why can't the team block the chasing teams by riding shoulder to shoulder for a minute or so or more, not allowing anybody to pass? If you can't touch the yellow line nor would you ride into the dirt, how would you recommend getting through the blockade? And couldn't they just slow down, again being very tight together, what's the best way to handle something like this without hurting anyone?

Thanks



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 From: mike.m-@obra.org [<A HREF="mailto:mike.m-@obra.org">mailto:mike.m-@obra.org</A>]

 Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 4:28 PM

 To: ob-@topica.com

 Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] centerline clarification please



 

The actual rule is:

 "17. - ROAD RACING ...

 17.1.2 - General rules

 -Unless instructed by the Chief Referee, all riders must stay to the right

 of the centerline, or another point on the road designated by the Chief

 Referee.

 - Riders must obey all traffic laws in force. "



Basically this allows the Chief Ref to decide. I would interpret this as

 touching the line. You have to recognize though that it may be very

 difficult to identify riders on the centerline in order to penalize them.



If you think that this rule is inadequately specific you can propose a

 change using as the following mechanism:

 "Modification of these rules may be made by vote of the club

 representatives, generally at an annual meeting. Proposed rule changes shall

 be presented to OBRA in written form to be voted on by the club

 representatives. The OBRA board may in an emergency, or in the case of a

 time sensitive matter, make modifications to these rules."



Mike Murray

 -----Original Message-----

 From: Peter Murphy [<A HREF="mailto:murphy_-@hotmail.com">mailto:murphy_-@hotmail.com</A>]

 Sent: March 20, 2003 10:51 AM

 To: ob-@topica.com

 Subject: [OBRA Chat] centerline clarification please



 

Now I don't mean to be a smart ass, but, when does a centerline

 violation

 occur?



If it is a single centerline and I am riding ON the centerline, am I in

 violation?



If it is a double centerline and I am riding between the yellow lines,

 am I

 in violation?



I don't like to get that close to on-coming traffic, but if I have to, I



will push the rules to the limit to gain any advantage I can.



I am just looking for an official's point of view.



Sorry I am an engineer. Details matter.



Pete



 

 

 

 

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